Newbie to this site and forum. I saw 3 VSTIs that realy interested me, all by Stefan Jerowoski. They were Vivaldi, Vivaldi MX and Ganymed. The download links were all dead so I asked ben here at KVR and did several searches. I finally got to the home page of Stefan Kuhn (changed name? Alias?) who sure enough did make these plug-ins: he had pulled them because he got so much shit and lack of respect from users.

Two things: it really hurts to see a good freeware writer pull out. And number 2: I would KILL (well, maime, anyway) to have a look at those. I would really appreciate it if you could email me those 3 items of put them on temp download for me together with any banks or patches you may have. If you need anything in exchange that I can do for you, please say so. Thank you. I really need you for this. Please help me.

I would suggest you all write to Stefan and get him top change his mind but he states rather categorically that he wants neither questons nor comments about his decision (29th January....damn that was close). Lemme know if you have any other ideas.

I don't think it would be legal or moral to re-distribute any of Stefan's work.His decision to pull them should be respected.I think if we give him a chance to cool down and we offer enough apologies he may reconsider.Re-distributing his synths without permission would only piss him off worse and he may never be back.I have all three synths but until I see something in writing in this thread from Stefan giving his permission to share them I can not do so in good conscience.Sorry

you must ask Stefan via email stefanj_mail@yahoo.de if i am allowed to pass it on. If so i will send you the zipfiles with vivaldi / vivaldi mx and gaynemed. i understand why he quit and i understand why you are eager to try it. In the face of beauty, my december contest entry, i used vivaldi

they are great plugins
scot solida made a terrific gaynemed demo
i am still busy on a vivaldi demo

remco

And I am stuck between a rock and a hard place: if Stefan doesn't come back, I never get to see them. But he won't hear anyone on teh subject so he won't come back.

If I had discovered the site a week earlier, I would have been fine.

Look for yourselves: I would love to ask teh guy (sent one email to a different address I found on teh net before hitting on the bwlow)...

http://aerobig.net/index.html

Ok let me try this again-let him cool down!Haven't you ever been hurt and mad and said things that you really didn't mean or changed your mind later?If we go about trading his synths around this forum it will surely show him as much disrespect as what caused him to pull out in the first place.Not to mention it would probably violate the EULA(although no eula accompanied the Vivadi Mx I assume Stefan has retained all the rights to his intellectual property).Since you are new to the forum(assuming you have not been a lurker for a while in which case you already know this) I'll let you know that warez,cracks and pirated software are not condoned on this site.Distributing software without the author's permission is no different-even if it is freeware-at least in my opinion.I sympathize with you,I'm as addicted to synths as anyone on this forum and would probably be just as frantic to get copies as you are.However just think how you would feel if your and Stefan's positions were reversed.

Well, if I were Stefan, I'd feel gutted. Which is what I feel now. I being non-Stefan. I make non-audio software with a partner. We saw our start-up software offered up in the warez by a registered user. I know hurt.

I understand bro. I fully accept that you do not want the synths "traded" without Stefan's knowledge.

who wants strings anyway, huh?

I'm pised because I had them, but hadn't had a chance to install them on my new PC

great sounds out of these synths of his. I hope he will come back!

See if you can find the Computer Music special edition with "24 Virtual Instuments." It includes Vivaldi and Ganymede -- not the most recent versions, but quite useful, nevertheless.

Thanks Tancos. I think it's all gone. I'll email Stefan...

Teksonik wrote:

Ok let me try this again-let him cool down!Haven't you ever been hurt and mad and said things that you really didn't mean or changed your mind later?If we go about trading his synths around this forum it will surely show him as much disrespect as what caused him to pull out in the first place.Not to mention it would probably violate the EULA(although no eula accompanied the Vivadi Mx I assume Stefan has retained all the rights to his intellectual property).Since you are new to the forum(assuming you have not been a lurker for a while in which case you already know this) I'll let you know that warez,cracks and pirated software are not condoned on this site.Distributing software without the author's permission is no different-even if it is freeware-at least in my opinion.I sympathize with you,I'm as addicted to synths as anyone on this forum and would probably be just as frantic to get copies as you are.However just think how you would feel if your and Stefan's positions were reversed.

Ok, I agree, but one thing I am confused about...what is the general opinion amongst people here, if we should still keep/use vivaldi and ganymed if we have them, or should we delete them off our HD? I am very curious about thoughts on this...

My opinion (and I use none of them)

is he should never of pulled them, he should of made them private only
ie a locked forum for subscribers on yahoo with a link to the beta's .

then if any asses cause problems he (or some other moderator) could of zapped them.

to completly remove imho was silly.







Ok, I agree, but one thing I am confused about...what is the general opinion amongst people here, if we should still keep/use vivaldi and ganymed if we have them, or should we delete them off our HD? I am very curious about thoughts on this...[/quote]

Common sense begs me not to reply

your a moderator, not a politician ..LOL

speak up my man.

kevvvvv wrote:

Common sense begs me not to reply

If you were given a harmonica by a man who made them for free because he loved to make harmonicas, but then the man stopped making harmonicas, should you destroy yours?

I say Stefan contributed it freely to the community, and the community should be able to freely distribute it to members who request it. As long as none of us take liberties with the GUI or controls, I think it should be fine legally and morally for all of us and Stefan included?

I agree Teksonik, maybe Stefan just needs a breather. I and others had experienced an unrelenting pain in the ass a few years back at EX5tech, and the poor administrator was really getting to his wits end as to how to handle this one jag off. Thankfully the little pest went off to be stupid elsewhere and we could all breathe a sigh of relief again. If Stefan experienced anything like that little pissant, I don't blame him for being totally pissed (and/or frightened? Turds do love to make threats to the saftey and security of all things computer and personal health - these days, one never knows?)

I say we honor Stefan as best we can and show these new members his timeless talents.

Exactly...if it is OK to keep it an use it then surely it must be ok to forward it to someone else???

i have emailed Stefan. Let's see if he wants to comment then. I won't bother him again.

To answer your question. No.



Cheer up a little here guys.

Maybe the answer can be found in a license agreement or similar ... is there perhaps a LICENSE.TXT that comes with those plugs ?

Hello guys,

well, generally spoken:

---Begin educational part---

If a freeware dev gives you the right to DL and use something for free, this does not automatically include the right to re-distribute that software. I think most devs don't like to see their software beeing re-distributed from others on the net. Giving it to your pals is most of the times tolerated, as it happens "behind the backs" of the dev's and they can't do anything about it anyway. Putting it on a website is different.

Most dev's want the people to DL the stuff from *their* website, for several reasons:

- Beeing able to update the release anytime, not having to worry about sites that still distribute old, buggy versions.
- Wanting to count downloads / hits, etc.
- Wanting people to see any ad-banners to get at least a bit payment
- Wanting people to know who made this, so they might come back to their site
- Wanting people to know who they can ask for support, et al
- etc, etc.

So even if the software doesn't come with a license, don't redistribute it without asking...

---End educational part---

As for Vivaldi, Ganymed and Vivaldi MX, feel free to do with them as you please. Neither do you have to delete them from your harddisk, nor do you have to keep them locked in a safe.

If you can derive some pleasure from them, use them. If you think they suck, erase them. If your friends want to try them, give them away, that's what they were made for.

Bye,
-LaD-

See he is a nice fellow !!


Welcome back LaD .... good to see you ...

You got a great heart, Stefan!
Thank you four your great synths--though I don't use them as much as they deserve (sorry), but I know many other people do. And please don't go . If people like you leave this place (K-v-R that is) life will be dim and gloomy and erm... There will be nobody to say "Thank you!" to!

There's only one thing I'd like to ask of you:

Please, please, please, stop making such a drama out of it!

I'm feeling very uncomfortable with all this. Against some of the speculations, it was not my point getting my ego stroked or wanting to see my name praised here at the forum!

And I think it's kindof unfair towards all the great Shareware / Freeware developers that hang around here for much longer than I do and made much more and better plugs than I did.

I'm not mad at anyone here and noone needs to feel 'guilty' because he / she didn't support me well enough. 99% of the ppl here are great guys and the rest I simply always ignored.

Of course I don't know what I'll be doing in 10 years, but for the foreseeable time, my synth developing times are over. My decision is set, and I won't change my mind, that's for sure.

And now cheer up please, as someone earlier said.

Thanks,
-LaD-

LighthouseAtDawn wrote:

If you can derive some pleasure from them, use them. If you think they suck, erase them. If your friends want to try them, give them away, that's what they were made for.

So Stephan, would it be OK if I put them up for download on VSS (I was actually building the dev-profile and product pages when I heard the news).

Also, would it be OK for you if I include them in any future article on my website ?

Of course I respect any decision you make

LighthouseAtDawn wrote:

There's only one thing I'd like to ask of you: Please, please, please, stop making such a drama out of it!

Sorry guys, been waiting for this from Stefan himself, because even I was starting to feel very uncomfortable with this morgue-mood.

I do think that we owe Stefan at least the respect to accept his decision.
Anything else would be nothing but selfish on our behalf. After all Stefan does not have to justify whatever he does to any of us here.

Now please cheer up.

crimsonwarlock wrote:

So Stephan, would it be OK if I put them up for download on VSS. Also, would it be OK for you if I include them in any future article on my website ?

My fault, I haven't made that clear enough in the first post:

- Mailing it to your friends is OK.
- Putting it up on a website and offering it to the public is NOT OK.

Sorry to insist crimson, but where would be the point if I removed them from my website but allowed them to be put on another one's?

To get rid of any dead links, just remove my profile.

Best,
-LaD-

Stop MAKING such a Drama out of it?

Teksonik wrote:

Stop MAKING such a Drama out of it?

What's so funny about that, teksonik?
Even if it's not the best english, I think everyone should get the point.
Let's see if your german is better than my english...

-LaD-

LighthouseAtDawn wrote:

Sorry to insist crimson, but where would be the point if I removed them from my website but allowed them to be put on another one's? To get rid of any dead links, just remove my profile.

Putting them up on my website and including them in a future article on FM-based synths (when you think about it there aren't that many GOOD ones) would only be out of respect for the quality of your synths. I think your work DESERVES to remain available in it's current form.

But I respect your decision and I will remove your dev-profile from my website

Lighthouse your English is perfect.You missed my point.For an example of Drama I give you this:

" I'm fed up with being a freeware developer. The majority of people seems to think that if you don't pay for something, then it is worth nothing. People were showing a very ignorant and arrogant attitude towards me and my software and seemed to think, if they can get it for free, they don't need to show the slightest amount of respect for me or what I do."

You showed your emotions so let others respond with their own emotions.If we want to be upset with your decision then let us be upset.It's a compliment to you that we are unhappy.I respect your decision now please respect my emotional response.
Ahhh never mind I'm tired and I'm sick and I just want to go to bed.Peace and Love be with you Stefan.

I kind of re-launched the thread about Stefan by looking for Ganymed and Vivaldi everywhere. I wrote to stefan though he may well have responded simply because he still follows the forum. Anyway, I hope I didn't land him right back into a debate he doesn't want, but Stefan, thank you for getting in touch and making your position clear. It is greatly appreciated.

Just for reference: I sent an email to the guys at ReFX thanking them for making claw. all I said was it sound great and thank you for making it freeware so i can experiment with VSTIs without spending a fortune. OK, those guys sell VSTs as well, but he told me in his reply that comments like the above only come in once every 2 or 3 months. The rest is mostly bashing. I find that incredible and I guess I undestand better what Stefan felt like. Problem is that most people on this forum will be appreciative of freeware (or indifferent if they don't use it). So where are all the bastards?

Anyway, end of thread for me. Thank you Stefan. Thank you Mike at ReFX. And thank you for your comments on this thread: I hope they have made me a little less naive.

Christophe

ccuny wrote:

Anyway, end of thread for me. Thank you Stefan. Thank you Mike at ReFX. And thank you for your comments on this thread: I hope they have made me a little less naive. Christophe

Hello Christophe,

nothing to thank me for. I hope someone sent you copies of the plug-ins meanwhile?

Best,
-LaD-

Not yet

Guess they wanted to hear from you that it was ok first.

I already downloaded Vivaldi and started using it (I really like it), but when I went to download VivaldiMX, I found that it was discontinued I understand from this thread that the author does not want it posted on the web, but does not mind if people share it directly. Is there anyone that can email me a copy? I would really appreciate it. I would also like to thank the author of Vivaldi for making his synths available the time he did.

Right you are relayer. And I would if I could, but I don't have them with me at work today. Will try and put these suckers back on my Zip disk in case no one beats me getting them to you? But Lighthouse makes a good point, although I advocate helping the curious members out here, I don't believe all these should wind up on anyones website either. I think if we keep this on a 'request/preview' basis - that's good enough for all.

When it's 'in the air', it's free. Soon as it lands somewhere - it's a target.
Let's just try to keep these birds 'up' for awhile.

Give me your e-mail,and I'll send it to you...
ew

If someone has the latest version of Vivaldi and Ganimed for Mac I'll be glad if he could send them to me. I didn't downloaded them when they were out 'cause my mac was too slow, and now that I've just got a new mac, they are no more there

Thanks in advance

Project

mc7795@mclink.it

ccuny

thank you for your email
I told I would send it on Thursday
I wasn't able to send them yesterday
expect them tonight.

Remco