Not another virtual analog VSTi . . .

It DOES sound ok, though

Tried the demo, wasnt impressed. Sounds are ok for FX, but cant see me using it much. bit pricey too

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Sounds are ok for FX, but cant see me using it much. bit pricey too

Hardly can add anything. FX are OK but as for everything else that's not something I'd pay a hundred for.

Does the Demo allow importing Nord Lead patches?

...............mmmmmh, comparing to synth 1,,,,,,,,,,,:

Uses a little bit more CPU and the price is a little bit higher....

[BTW, I bought discoDSP NightShine v1.1 and it's really worth the money... ]

it sounds excellent!!


very clear, rich sound to it

though i dont know how many people are going to shell out $100 to get this when Synth1 copys the nord too and does 90% of this for FREE.

if synth1 gets the morphing, unison, and patch dump.. look out


however if it does come down in price.. i may get it anyways.. the sound is too incredible.. i could easily see myself using this one.

aside from not having a Chorus Fx built in (yeah i know emulate the nl) im having problems with the Sysex dump.. I CANT find any nordlead2 sysex files.

http://www.clavia.se/nordlead/sounds.htm

there are some sounds, however they're in a midi file..

i have found a load of *.NGR presets for the NL2 as well.. but Discovery wants them in *.syx format apparently..

anyone have any NL2 patch banks in Syx format??

it also likes to eat up CPU (try a PAD) i can easily consume 80% of my cpu (1.67 ghz) but thats extremely minor to me.. because the sound quality is sooooooo nice.

Talking as an user, not as an developer.

2 Banks of sounds? Not true, since each has less than 64 presets. So the 2 "banks" doesn't make a whole real-bank of 128 presets. They should change this information.

I tried the Demo, but the notes seem to respond on a strange way. It "pops" some weird sounds...

The filter is indeed good.

Regards, WilliamK

bloody thing just crashed my system

WilliamK wrote:

Developer note: If I'm not mistaken, is totally ilegal to implement such SySex reader. reFX didn't have this problem on Nexus?

Not always-NI does it with Pro-53 and FM7.Maybe he has Clavia's permission...
ew

ew wrote:

WilliamK wrote: Developer note: If I'm not mistaken, is totally ilegal to implement such SySex reader. Not always-NI does it with Pro-53 and FM7.Maybe he has Clavia's permission... ew

Good point, I would like to know that. What I can and canot do on my own stuff.

Wk

Excellent synth.

Discovery moves to my top 3 vsti list. try FM modulation on this synth without any filters, fx. then try fm on synth1, it sounds quite different... you decide which one's better. the 2 can complement each other nicely.

Definitely give it a try if you're into subtractive. There are instruments out there with 30+ oscillator types and complicated modulations that sound completely lifeless and artificial. Having few GOOD sounding and easy to modify components is the way to go.

Oblagon wrote:

Excellent synth. Discovery moves to my top 3 vsti list. try FM modulation on this synth without any filters, fx. then try fm on synth1, it sounds quite different... you decide which one's better. the 2 can complement each other nicely. Definitely give it a try if you're into subtractive. There are instruments out there with 30+ oscillator types and complicated modulations that sound completely lifeless and artificial. Having few GOOD sounding and easy to modify components is the way to go.

you said it soooo well!!

and they could definately compliment each other.

*high 5's*

Oblagon wrote:

Excellent synth. There are instruments out there with 30+ oscillator types and complicated modulations that sound completely lifeless and artificial. Having few GOOD sounding and easy to modify components is the way to go.

Yes, is a way to go but... if it eats about 80% or even 100% of the CPU power there's no way to go I hope the DiscoDSP guys make this synth much more CPU eficient/stable

Hi guys


The only thing that I want to know is why I need why do I need to post a lot of messages in the forum for writing a review?

Do I have to make my e-mail public for any reason?

Do I have any relation with the Discovery makers for rating it high?

I've found my review of Discovery DELETED. Do I need to ask for permission for making a review?

I think that it's just a question of envy.

Can I make this post?

Y0SHi wrote:

I think that it's just a question of envy.

You Got !T

It was deleted because basically it just said "this is great" and not a lot else.

See http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=158888#158888 for some changes to the reviews system to be implemented in the next week or two.

WilliamK wrote:

2 Banks of sounds? Not true, since each has less than 64 presets. So the 2 "banks" doesn't make a whole real-bank of 128 presets. They should change this information.

Maybe the full version comes with the full banks?

Ben | KvR wrote:

Maybe the full version comes with the full banks?

Good point. Maybe the dev could enlight us all on this...

Regards, WilliamK

Wow. This synth sounds great. But...I don't know...$100? I guess they want to play in the NI league.

I also had no luck coming up with Nord 2 Sysex files on the web. Clavia has Nord 2 patches in MIDI and Nord 3 patches in MIDI and SYSEX. I didn't have any luck importing the Nord 3 patches. Too bad. Before I bought this, I'd really like to try the Nord importing.

The Random patching gives some beautiful starts! I quickly learned how to turn the layers on and off and get them all in tune with each other.

Sigh. Yet another thing to lust after.

something's not right here. one voice uses less than %5 of my cpu (1.4ghz Athlon)

Oblagon wrote:

something's not right here. one voice uses less than %5 of my cpu (1.4ghz Athlon)

What systems have you tested it on? Did you use programming to handle the dnorm problem before releasing the synth?

Robert

aodix 2.2 (freeware) comes with predecessor of Discovery. The synth was removed in v2.3

Speaking of Aodix, the soft uses an interesting concept... Aodix has built in sampler that can be linked to VSTI. VSTI can go through all internal filters and envelopes instead of samples. Imagine every VSTI with option like this. You could hook up chains of totally different instruments - instead of using standard synth oscillator you'd use another VSTI.

Woah. Found a few thousand patches in ngf format at the Clavia site. They seem to work! (You have to change the extension to .syx, and it's kind of a hassle to download them one-by-one.) The whole original Nord Lead 2 bank is there, plus many, many more.

What is an ngf file?

You are kidding us right? I can't find any *.ngf files anywhere at Clavia's site, this is all I can find about that format:

.NGF: Enterasys Networks NetSight Generated Format File (http://www.enterasys.com/home.html)



/ea

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Woah. Found a few thousand patches in ngf format at the Clavia site. They seem to work!

Thanx for the link bro, no wonder I couldn't find it on Clavia's site... , but I still don't get it! I try to load them into the Discovery demo, but nothing happens (and yes, I remebered to change the filetype)...

/ea

Very funny .. a thread that starts out as a complaint about a review .. turns into a full blown review .. you guys are doing the advertising/review quite a bit better than Yoshi did in his original post I must admit. The developer will be pretty happy with this thread.

dmholtof wrote:

Very funny .. a thread that starts out as a complaint about a review .. turns into a full blown review .. you guys are doing the advertising/review quite a bit better than Yoshi did in his original post I must admit. The developer will be pretty happy with this thread.

oops ... this is a different thread obviously

still waking up ...

(shout : coffeeeeeeeee !!!)

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Thanx for the link bro, no wonder I couldn't find it on Clavia's site... , but I still don't get it! I try to load them into the Discovery demo, but nothing happens (and yes, I remebered to change the filetype)...

Working fine here. I wonder what would cause that not to work (also MidiOX is showing valid looking things for those .syx files).
Thanks to mistertoast for the link.

And hey, this synth, as simple as it may look like, ideed sounds very good to my ears! Should defenitely be worth the bucks.

Sascha

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Woah. Found a few thousand patches in ngf format at the Clavia site. They seem to work! (You have to change the extension to .syx, and it's kind of a hassle to download them one-by-one.) The whole original Nord Lead 2 bank is there, plus many, many more. What is an ngf file?

One more try before bedtime; first of all, I found out that a *.ngf file is from a soft called "nordgen" it is an editor/librarian for nordlead2 (found it on the same link above, but a little higher in the hierarchy...

Plz mistertoast, verify that you REALLY got those .syx files to work and if so, HOW??? I hear nothing else but the default sound when I try to import the *.syx file...

/ea

PS. You can also find all the patches as zip-files for easier download on that site! DS.

mistertoast wrote:

Woah. Found a few thousand patches in ngf format at the Clavia site. They seem to work! (You have to change the extension to .syx, and it's kind of a hassle to download them one-by-one.) The whole original Nord Lead 2 bank is there, plus many, many more. What is an ngf file?

why not download the zips then ??? http://www.nordsynth.zevv.nl/020_NordLead2/022_Patches_Zipped/

and to rename all the file extentions at the same time can be done by renaming *.ngf to *.syx in DOS... couldn't be simpler

According to the description in the Nord Generator Patch Tool:

"If a *syx file is needed, just rename the suffix."

I just tried it & it works perfectly w/ the few patches from the Factory01-40 bank I've gone through so far. Ay, Solaris, thank god for DOS, is there some kind of emulator so I don't have to reboot?

For mass renaming I am allways using PowerRename, part of the O'Reilly utilities. Does a nice job.
You may find a LOT of such tools for free at download.com, Tucows and the likes.

or (if using windows) save yourself some time

type cmd in xp (or command in win98)

then go to the directory where the ngf patches are located

edit: didnt include HOW to get there

"cd.." will move you down a directory
"cd directoryname" will move you up to that directory. (without the quotes)
"dir" will give a directory of files/folders - if the list is longer than the screen type "dir /p" for a pause.. or "dir /w" etc..


typing the drive letter "D:" for instance will move you to a different drive.

then type (without the quotes) "rename *.ngf *.syx"
press enter
type dir they should all have a *.syx extension now

worked for me. now you're all dangerous.

funny though.. i downloaded nordgen a few days ago and was in the process of trying to emulate some of these patches in synth1.. then this synth comes along

Very nice, 1,626 files spread over 21 banks, this synth just may well be a keeper. Thanks for the cmd tip, too, that's going to make life a lot easier.

Today we'll release an small update, fixing a few bugs, and *.ngf along *.syx will be handled on extension filter in the import option.

arguru wrote:

Today we'll release an small update, fixing a few bugs, and *.ngf along *.syx will be handled on extension filter in the import option.

Hola Arguru,
felicidades por este gran sinte.

I'm having problems using the demo in Muzys 2.44, i can't load the banks. The CPU usage is very high and unstable... Tested with:
Dual PIII733MHZ, 512MB Ram winxp
Pavilion PIV1.7 Ghz winxp.
I'm sure that you'll fix the bugs... then i'll try the synth well, by now the only thing i hear is pops and noise every time i press more than 2 notes... Discovery will be a must buy synth, once it'll be more usable (speaking of CPU usage).

VitaminD wrote:

or (if using windows) save yourself some time type cmd in xp (or command in win98) then go to the directory where the ngf patches are located edit: didnt include HOW to get there "cd.." will move you down a directory "cd directoryname" will move you up to that directory. (without the quotes) "dir" will give a directory of files/folders - if the list is longer than the screen type "dir /p" for a pause.. or "dir /w" etc.. typing the drive letter "D:" for instance will move you to a different drive. then type (without the quotes) "rename *.ngf *.syx" press enter type dir they should all have a *.syx extension now worked for me. now you're all dangerous. funny though.. i downloaded nordgen a few days ago and was in the process of trying to emulate some of these patches in synth1.. then this synth comes along

Ah, the legendary DOS days... You made my eyes run, VitaminD...

Wow. Thanks for the tips. I didn't even see the zips. And I didn't think of going back in time to use the DOS rename.

I was just so excited to find patches that worked.

ea,

Not sure why they aren't loading for you. What *exactly* are you doing? All I did was rename them to sysex, right-click in the patch area, and do the import. Then I had to click outside of the synth (maybe a psycle quirk?) and play a note. Should be working for you.

Man, did I find the motherload of patches, or what? I was almost hopeless by the time I found them. I had renamed so many different things to .syx that I was sure they weren't going to work. The work put into these patches makes Discovery instantly useful. Smart, smart thing to make a synth like this. How about an Access Virus next?

arguru (or other):

What is the demo lacking? Preset saving and preset saving in the host? I can't get those to work. Anything else?

VitaminD,

How were you doing with converting the patches from Nord to Synth 1? I knew the Synth 1 was supposedly inspired by the Nord, but is it close enough to any of the Nords to do a patch translation? If there are really close enough, I could try programming a patch translator.

For now, Discovery joins the ranks of the (very) few synths that pull in patches from hardware synths. As far as I know, we now have:

Two that use DX7 patches.
One that takes Prophet patches.
One that takes Nord Lead 2 patches.

Any more I don't know about?

Can someone tell me, what does this thing sound like when you have imported these Nord patches in, does it sound any good, or does it sound anything like the Nord?

version 1.1 is available now at www.discodsp.com, between others, has improved nl2 patch import support (1.0 didnt handled morphing sensivity correctly). Go site for more info of what's new.

The demo cant save parameters or banks.

mistertoast wrote:

VitaminD, How were you doing with converting the patches from Nord to Synth 1? I knew the Synth 1 was supposedly inspired by the Nord, but is it close enough to any of the Nords to do a patch translation? If there are really close enough, I could try programming a patch translator. For now, Discovery joins the ranks of the (very) few synths that pull in patches from hardware synths. As far as I know, we now have: Two that use DX7 patches. One that takes Prophet patches. One that takes Nord Lead 2 patches. Any more I don't know about?

Klangformer's supposed to import Virus sysex. No demo,though,and VERY expensive...
ew

It would be pretty sweet if someone that actually has a Lead 2 could compare the same patch on Discovery, maybe post a couple of mp3s for comparison.



cheeky

hmmmmmm

Yes, sir, a comparison would be an excellent idea, give me till the end of the week to post it.

Is anyone else having a problem with this synth freezeing up the computer? I was trying it in Orion Plat., and it will do some wild cpu spikes and the computer will sort of go into slow motion and freeze. Sure sounds great before that though! Lot of Nord lead patches... wow!

On a patch with several layers, I sometimes see high CPU usage, but it never keels over.

This is on WinXP/Cubase SX.

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ea, Not sure why they aren't loading for you. What *exactly* are you doing? All I did was rename them to sysex, right-click in the patch area, and do the import. Then I had to click outside of the synth (maybe a psycle quirk?) and play a note. Should be working for you.

Yiiiiiiiihhaaaaaaa...... I finally got it to work, it was one shitty systemutility I used for faster navigation on the pc... Well one can say I lost ALL the time I had gained with that b*stard before this! Hahahaha!

But now I'm back on track and have the whole night to check nice little NL2 patches out!

Thanx all for your help,
ea

I sometimes get randomized patches that can't play in realtime. I have to switch to a new one quickly (this is version 1.0). I think this mostly happened in poly mode.

mistertoast wrote:

VitaminD, How were you doing with converting the patches from Nord to Synth 1?

ahh good question

on that patch site listed on this thread... (somewhere on it) there is a little program called 'nord gen' .. it has a NL2 gui of sorts.. and a lcd that tells you what 'strength' each of the knobs are at.. i just loaded up an ngf file in nord gen, then copied what i saw into synth1. tedious

I couldnt do this to any of the patches that used the unison button... because as you know.. synth1 doesnt have the unison button.

synth1 also doesnt have the morph button, the wheel, and the layering.. aside from that all the controls are pretty much the same.

arguru wrote:

Today we'll release an small update, fixing a few bugs, and *.ngf along *.syx will be handled on extension filter in the import option.

It says on the DiscoDSP website that updates to this synth will be free for life upon purchase...

but my question is what is in the 'pipeline' for this synth?

will it eventually become like FM7 where it accepts DX7 patches but can do sooo much more??
I think it would be great if this synth had an extra Oscillator and maybe a milkysmooth chorus

also one gripe: why is the text so small?? theres all that free space on the synth and the text is soooo tiny (1024x768 res).

VitaminD,

Did you get any patches that sounded right? I assume you can compare them at least with the Discovery.

I never really thought of doing that mr. toast


but i just tried it.. with 0020SourceBass

and they sound close... but not the same.. Discovery has a more roaming sound, where Synth1 sounds a bit more static.. if that makes sense.

ill try more later!

Very cool, VitaminD! Very cool!
Might be fun if several of us could work together to try to get the best renditions of the patches.
I'm not trying to undercut Discovery at all. Hats off to those guys for making a synth with so many great patches. :mrgreen:

ahh yes

but the big problem is.. synth1 doesnt have that darn unison button


and most of the patches i came across used unison

so it was a bit of a pick and choose until i found some that didnt have it... i guess icould fix that though with some chorus... but it wouldnt sound the same....

Big up to discoDSP for making the demo full-featured with no 10 minute timeout or whatever. At least you can have plenty of time to evaluate it to see if it fits your needs.

One issue though...the pitch bend seems kinda steppy and zippery. Filter seems pretty good, although I think it was ever so slightly steppy on some patches. I imagine this will be fixed soon though.

Way to go discoDSP!


cheeky

True, true, it normally doesn't affect me when patch loading is disabled (since the instrument state will save w/ the song) but the nord patch loading makes the feature pretty damn valuable.

Hmm. The instrument state is _not_ saving with the song for me. I assumed that was a demo limitation.

Uncle E wrote:

Yes, sir, a comparison would be an excellent idea, give me till the end of the week to post it.

I'm very curious to hear your impressions and wondering if they will match my own. I've played a Nord Lead 2, but unfortunately do not own one. Although the new updated model coming out with expanded memory looks awful tempting!

Uncle E wrote:

hmmmmmm Yes, sir, a comparison would be an excellent idea, give me till the end of the week to post it.

Any luck with this yet?