I've heard somewhere that it has to be released during the MusikMesse.

Does anyone have some infos on that???

Peace,
Cochrane

Hi there,
Just stay tuned to the VirSyn website. I promise that you will see something cool

There is a clue

Hello (again) from Musikmesse

It's called Cube - "Additive synthesis for limitless instrument design"

I haven't managed to get a go yet but here's the info:

Enter the world of additive synthesis with unprecedented ease. Imagine having four sound sources morphing in two dimensions controlled by arbitary envelopes to create long evolving sounds, rhythmic patterns and even vocal phrases.

Select sound sources from the built in presets or dive into the inner secrets and construct your own sound sources from scratch. A number of high level parameters such as brightness and Harmonic spread can control hundreds of parameters making the creation of new instruments easier than ever.

For those who want to play the second level of the game thousands of parameters are awaiting you!

Features:

- 8 independent additive synths

• Four morphable sound sources.
• 512 partials per voice
• Harmonic/Inharmonic spectra
• Arbitrary noise spectra
• Morphable filter banks
• Ensemble
• 3 envelopes with tempo sync64 time/level segments per envelope
• 2 LFOs

- 8 effect racks

• Chorus/Phaser/Flanger
• Distortion
• Echo/Delay
• Reverb

- Arpeggiator
- System

• Standalone , VST and Audio Unit
• Win 98/2k/XP
• MacOS 9/OS X
• Up to 8 independent outputs

- MIDI Learn

Whoa

no comment from scot yet ???

i guess he must have just fainted


slainte rob

Heh. Nope, I'm fully concious...

Can't wait to try a demo.

Oh wait, I'm broke... I can wait

I'm going to try to get a go tomorrow, they only had it running on one PC and it was always busy

Scot Solida wrote:

Heh. Nope, I'm fully concious...

But you do need to quit drooling. You're welling up the carpet

Ben | KvR wrote:

I'm going to try to get a go tomorrow, they only had it running on one PC and it was always busy

ben, just shout something like "hey, they´re giving away ten waves gold bundles at the waves booth"..maybe then? nah...."free beer at the spectrasonics booth!!"...should do the job..

Ben | KvR wrote:

I'm going to try to get a go tomorrow, they only had it running on one PC and it was always busy

Don't they know who you are?

Hmmm ... it sounds like CPU upgrade to me !!!
Bah, those 3 Ghz should be " affordable " by summer !!

WOW!!!!

I'm astonished!

An additive synthesis virtual instrument is what was lacking in the scene. Now it's here (almost).
I've only a doubt: I've seen in the features that there are only 3 envelope to manage 512 partials (astonishing!!!); remembering K5000, it had an envelope generator for each partial (well, it was only ADSR and the partials are 64, BTW).
My question is: in which way do we manage to control the spectrum in time-domain?

Many thanks for the answers (and for a screenshot of the beast, )

Peace,
Cochrane

From the looks of things Cube is going to be very capable. The saddest day for me was when the K5000S display went bad on me. It was expensive to fix although Kawai has always been nice.

Stupidly, I traded it - without a working display - for an FS1r. I should have just waited until I could afford getting it repaired.

But Cube sounds very much like what the K5000 could have been six years after production. I hope there will be a sample analysis feature as this would be powerful and with the power in this synth (I'm assuming, I'd love to take it for a spin) very cool things would happen.

From the look of it Raven's picture looks somewhat like the first page of TERA meaning all the goodies are on other pages.

Hey guys,
If you are not at the Messe, here is a full screen shot of the CUBE.
http://www.musictechsupport.com/images/CUBEShot.gif
It's got me drooling myself. I can't wait to see how it does here with our VirSyn Dealers [/img]

Cochrane wrote:

WOW!!!! I'm astonished! An additive synthesis virtual instrument is what was lacking in the scene. Now it's here (almost). I've only a doubt: I've seen in the features that there are only 3 envelope to manage 512 partials (astonishing!!!); remembering K5000, it had an envelope generator for each partial (well, it was only ADSR and the partials are 64, BTW). My question is: in which way do we manage to control the spectrum in time-domain? Many thanks for the answers (and for a screenshot of the beast, ) Peace, Cochrane

Hey folks,

I came home yesterday from the Messe showing the Cube there. I met several people who are here at KvR like Eric Persing and Ben|KvR. Everyone was raving about the Cube when they saw what's possible with it and with what ease it can be programmed.
A little intro to the Cube:
One of the main features is MORPHING (hello Poweruser!) . There is one set of partials (which are sine oscilators) and for these partials we have 4 sets of hundreds of parameters which are applied to these partials. Between these so called Sources we can morph via a morph pad which is controlled via two Morph envelopes for the time info of the morphing.

Most modulations are done with these morph envelopes as nearly all of the parameters of the partials are combined in the Sources (sets of parameters for the partials).

One level deeper we have 5 windows for the real deep control.

Partial: here we set the levels of the partials by simply drawing with the mouse.

Attack: In this window we paint attack levels for ALL the partials. Zero attack at the bottom and max attack time at the top of the window.

Decay: Same thing as for the attack times only Decay times here. Just paint decay times for hundreds of partials with the mouse! Cool...

Filter: Freeform filter window. Draw your filter-frequency curve with the mouse. 8 Morph points for really drastic filter morphs. Fantastic!

Noise: Add randomization by adding noise FM to frequency ranges. From some subtle livelyness to drastic noise formants everything is there. Again by drawing with the mouse.

Everything happens in realtime so what you draw is what you hear. No clicks no crackle, it just works.

This synth sounds phantastic and it's so easy to create sounds with it. Sub presets for the Envelopes, Sources and the five drawable windows are there for ease of work.
Imagine to morph from a guitar to a choir to flute to seashore: Here it's reality.

I'm absolutely blown away by this synth.

Yep yep yep..
I am waiting for this synth. I think it's gonna take off like a rocket and bring the TERA along with it

bajongo,

Any mention of re-synthesis?

Does it need a monster CPU to run it?

aMUSEd wrote:

Does it need a monster CPU to run it?

Hi There,
I can't imagine that the system requirements vary that much from the TERA.
And just FYI, I run the TERA on a PIII 700 with 256MB of RAM and I am happy as a clam.

Hehehe Harry is such a smart guy and not just in the programming section. Lack of information and no pomp leading to further hype and speculation without even issuing a press release, and getting the world to talk it up for him. Should be good though.

Cynical as ever the next phase of the operation after release of Cube is what I call the now established KVR multiple news farce. Simply release your code and add a feature you already have written upon each release, hence 1.1 1.11 1.111 1.2, therefore you are perpetually in the KVR news and receiving good cover !!!!!!!!

I'm only joking if your reading this Harry, good luck !

Bluey.

bluey wrote:

Hehehe Harry is such a smart guy and not just in the programming section. Lack of information and no pomp leading to further hype and speculation without even issuing a press release, and getting the world to talk it up for him. Should be good though. Cynical as ever the next phase of the operation after release of Cube is what I call the now established KVR multiple news farce. Simply release your code and add a feature you already have written upon each release, hence 1.1 1.11 1.111 1.2, therefore you are perpetually in the KVR news and receiving good cover !!!!!!!! I'm only joking if your reading this Harry, good luck ! Bluey.

Hi Bluey,
I'm sure there's gonna be plenty of talk about the Cube here in the US, if I have anything to say about it.

Hey nuffink,

no resynthesis, sorry. This was one of my first questions. He said later he will do a thingy which does resynthesis also.

Hey amused,

it doesn't need a monster CPU but it shouldn't be on the weak side. Harry said that when it will be fully optimized it will be around 2000 partials per 1GHz CPU power. The presets we quickly slammed together for the Messe showed that you can have quite complex sounds with 100 - 200 partials. This would lead to 20 - 40 voices per with 1GHz CPU which is OK me thinks. Harry said that he even expect it to be more efficient on the Mac. Now that's a real Altivec/SSE party...

Hey bluey,

I agree with the perpetual news thingy. But I see a huge difference between a $30 wannabe and professional synths like z3ta+ and the Cube. And most important: I hear the difference. And for Harry: Give him a little time. I don't know if you ever were on the exhibitor side of a trade show like the MusikMesse but I can tell you it's very exhausting.
So please relax. You'll see your "official" info in time.

Did I already mention that the Cube will ship in about 8 weeks?

musictech wrote:

aMUSEd wrote: Does it need a monster CPU to run it? Hi There, I can't imagine that the system requirements vary that much from the TERA. And just FYI, I run the TERA on a PIII 700 with 256MB of RAM and I am happy as a clam.

Thanks - I just thought that additive synthesis was supposed to be more demanding - but what do I know??

erm what is additive synthesis. There is a freeware Additive synth for Pulsar, basically to by knowledge of this particular synth, it just involves lots and lots of oscs built up at different volume levels to make a tone and waveform ???

Is this basically it.

Bluey.

bluey wrote:

erm what is additive synthesis. There is a freeware Additive synth for Pulsar, basically to by knowledge of this particular synth, it just involves lots and lots of oscs built up at different volume levels to make a tone and waveform ??? Is this basically it. Bluey.

Close...additive synthesis is usually done by generating sine waves of each partial and giving them envelopes,etc.FM synthesis ala Yamaha is an example of additive synthesis.Kawai's K5 and K5000 gave you control over the first 64 harmonics (or 128 depending on how you programmed it).Big Tick's Rhino gives you control over 16 partials now,and he's thinking of upping the number.
ew

bajongo wrote:

And for Harry: Give him a little time. I don't know if you ever were on the exhibitor side of a trade show like the MusikMesse but I can tell you it's very exhausting. So please relax. You'll see your "official" info in time. Did I already mention that the Cube will ship in about 8 weeks?

Hi Bajongo,
Couldn't agree with you more. After exhibiting at NAMM 2003 this year, which was my first non-Steinberg NAMM in a long time, I couldn't even wake up at a decent hour for a couple of days

Quote:

Close...additive synthesis is usually done by generating sine waves of each partial and giving them envelopes,etc.FM synthesis ala Yamaha is an example of additive synthesis.Kawai's K5 and K5000 gave you control over the first 64 harmonics (or 128 depending on how you programmed it).Big Tick's Rhino gives you control over 16 partials now,and he's thinking of upping the number.

EW, just to temper your enthusiasm a bit , Rhino's additive is only for designing new single-cycle waves. So you don't have control over the distribution of harmonics over time, it's just a "snapshot" that you can do - and after that process through the rest of the synth engine for amazing results

'Tick

Well,you can't have EVERYTHING,can you?Just being able to do single cycle waves is a big deal for me.I don't have the CPU power for a full blown additive engine anyhow at the moment .Cube's going to be interesting.
ew

Any idea when this is going to be released?

I'm running out of drool...

Zmies wrote:

Any idea when this is going to be released? I'm running out of drool...

Hi Zmies,

Harry said that it will ship in about 8 weeks.

bajongo wrote:

Harry said that it will ship in about 8 weeks.

Thanks, I'll try to relax.

- zmies

bajongo wrote:

Hey nuffink, no resynthesis, sorry. This was one of my first questions. He said later he will do a thingy which does resynthesis also.

Bajongo,

Thats cool. Given the computational complexities I'd have expected it to be an "off-line" process.
Resynthsis in a virtual instrument! Bring it on.

Zmies wrote:

Thanks, I'll try to relax. - zmies

Hi Guys,
If any of you guys are in the US and you want to know when the Cube will be available to order, just send me an email and I will add you to our Cube mailing list.
musictech@mindspring.com