Look at the video...

http://www.korg.com/preview/

That's what I call a teaser.

wowow! polysix, wavestation and MS-20 as AU and VSTi, yes this is good news!

did they say anything about prices yet?

probably great products..but the videos just an itunes demo:-)

Nope, and there was "Available Q3 2003".

I for one didn't see this coming.

BTW, remember to choose the "DSL/cable" video quality. "Modem" quality was default for me and it had much worse picture/sound.

There was also text "music on this video is done with virtual MS20/Polysix/Wavestation" or something like that.

I first thought that this is some hack/joke, but it is on the official Korg site.

Nice.

We kinda figured they had some plans a year ago when mike was working on nexus (xphraze).

I guess all thats left now is Roland.

Isnt the juno vsti just around the corner?

Interesting development... however it was one of the worst promos I have ever seen for a VSTi release.

Ooooh... CMT... well I say BFD! Do these companies really think idiotic jargon like this is an enticement?

It's good to see the big boys (belatedly) joining the revolution. It'll be interesting to see if their marketing muscle and brand awareness can compete with the inventiveness and passion of the independent developers. Or, indeed, whether their coders can play catch up with the sheer class of NI, RGC, Ohmforce etc.
VIVA!

JohnVulich wrote:

Interesting development... however it was one of the worst promos I have ever seen for a VSTi release. Ooooh... CMT... well I say BFD! Do these companies really think idiotic jargon like this is an enticement?

I thought the video was appropriately vague. And it will still take at least half a year. Just the idea of them starting to make VSTi's is enough for now, I think.

Heh, the jargon. That has been around since the first hardware synths.

nuffink wrote:

It's good to see the big boys (belatedly) joining the revolution. It'll be interesting to see if their marketing muscle and brand awareness can compete with the inventiveness and passion of the independent developers. Or, indeed, whether their coders can play catch up with the sheer class of NI, RGC, Ohmforce etc. VIVA!

Let's not forget that they have been around for 40 years and created quite many respected synths along the years. And the Oasys has better sounding algorithms than any VSTi I have heard. Have you checked it out? They don't really have to do any "catching up".

Not sure if they use the same coders though. They have access to the algorithms anyway. Intellectual property...

Jesus that is damned irritating. Got rid of it after 40%.
But a real Korg wavestation VSTi really makes me interested.
Spending 3 days on one patch again, I cant wait.

Could some1 please thorw some light on this news and share the specs and more details about these instruments please?. That damn video isnt playing at all on my stupid 28k connection.

Thanks

I think nuffink puts this best.

Quote:

It's good to see the big boys (belatedly) joining the revolution. It'll be interesting to see if their marketing muscle and brand awareness can compete with the inventiveness and passion of the independent developers. Or, indeed, whether their coders can play catch up with the sheer class of NI, RGC, Ohmforce etc.

Obviously Korg (and Roland et al) have the big name brands, the marketing clout, and the distribution channels.

But will this do the trick?

This is all that can be found out from the video:

Wavestation, Polysix, MS20 (with more to follow!)
Cross platform PC&Mac, AU and VSTi.
Available Q3 2003
"most accurate modelling" and "component modelling technology" jargon

And it claims the music on the video is done with the virtual versions, so they are "real".

That's it for now.

spritex wrote:

nuffink wrote: It's good to see the big boys (belatedly) joining the revolution. It'll be interesting to see if their marketing muscle and brand awareness can compete with the inventiveness and passion of the independent developers. Or, indeed, whether their coders can play catch up with the sheer class of NI, RGC, Ohmforce etc. VIVA! Let's not forget that they have been around for 40 years and created quite many respected synths along the years. And the Oasys has better sounding algorithms than any VSTi I have heard. Have you checked it out? They don't really have to do any "catching up". Not sure if they use the same coders though. They have access to the algorithms anyway. Intellectual property...

I'm sure your faith in the abilities of megacorp inc. will warm many a marketing mans heart.
No I havn't tried the oasys system. I was one of those who ignored it droves. I'm glad it works for you, but it's lack of commercial success is hardly bolstering your argument.
My stance is that we are going through a revolution and that not all the current market leaders will make it. Akai, for instance, don't look like a good bet to me. I hope Korg blow me away, I've got huge respect for their back catalogue, but the rules have changed and it remains to be seen whether Roland* can catch the wave (no pun intended).

* This post has been edited as I inadvertantly pissed off some Korg fans. I believe that my argument, right or wrong, still makes sense.

kevvvvv wrote:

I think nuffink puts this best. Obviously Korg (and Roland et al) have the big name brands, the marketing clout, and the distribution channels. But will this do the trick?

Seriously, what do you know about the Oasys? It had superb minimoog and Prophet 5 emulations years ago and physical modelling stuff that isn't even available as VSTi's. All audiorate LFO's, non aliasing oscs, glitchless sync delays...

Too bad it didn't sell well enough to be profitable.

Sure, they also make Triton etc. but there has always been this "other side" to them.

nuffink wrote:

I'm sure your faith in the abilities of megacorp inc. will warm many a marketing mans heart. No I havn't tried the oasys system. I was one of those who ignored it droves. I'm glad it works for you, but it's lack of commercial success is hardly bolstering your argument. My stance is that we are going through a revolution and that not all the current market leaders will make it. Akai, for instance, don't look like a good bet to me. I hope Korg blow me away, I've got huge respect for their back catalogue, but the rules have changed and it remains to be seen whether Korg can catch the wave (no pun intended).

What's your beef?

Saying that Korg is a "megacorp" doesn't bolster your argument either. You seem to think that because they are bigger they can't make quality products. How's that?

If you don't want to see what was in Oasys I could just as well ignore everything but Pro52 from NI. I repeat, it has lots of stuff that isn't available as VSTi's at all and the general quality of the algorithms surpasses most VSTi's clearly. Many interesting VSTi's just sound "grainy" - no matter if they are complex or simple or "innovative".

It had virtual epiano and organ before NI and Emagic. It still has more complex and better sounding guitar modelling than any VSTi.

Did you know that there are Ohmboyz-like delays as free Oasys plugins?

Oh well, just ignore it all because Korg is a "megacorp".

spiritex,

Sorry mate, you're just coming on like a fanboy now, so I'll duck out of this one. You win.

Well, I thought you were just being totally unfair and ignorant there.

I hate that.

You must be an "antiboy" then.

I am interested in seeing pricing........I like korgs synths, but show me a small vst pricetag and I am all over it

My gut feeling is that they will be about the same as the NI and Steinberg synths, but what do I know...

If these are truly component modelled, they're a huge step up from what's been done by pretty much all of the normal VSTi developers & that's something no one who knows anything can deny. John Bowen, the guy who made all the presets for the original Prophet-5 & was crucial in the designing of the Prophet VS & the Wavestation, has himself described the Oasys version of the Prophet to be 90% there while the NI version is only 50% (& he's right, IMO).

That said, I could easily see these Korg VSTi's being too dummied down to sound very good, we'll probably get something more like an ms-2000 (blech!) than a real ms-20.

nuffink wrote:

It's good to see the big boys (belatedly) joining the revolution. It'll be interesting to see if their marketing muscle and brand awareness can compete with the inventiveness and passion of the independent developers. Or, indeed, whether their coders can play catch up with the sheer class of NI, RGC, Ohmforce etc. VIVA!

... after all, they've only been modelling audio for 10 years or so and they only own all the really good physical model patents. Yeah, they are sooooooo skrewed.

I bet they don't employ as many coders as NI. KORG is not some global conglomerate, its just a well established company in a very small market. I doubt they sell more keyboards globally in a year than Holden, our local branch of GM, sell cars in Australia. The M-1 sold just over 100,000 units, hardly the stuff of a "megacorp".

Uncle E wrote:

That said, I could easily see these Korg VSTi's being too dummied down to sound very good, we'll probably get something more like an ms-2000 (blech!) than a real ms-20.

That's my concern as well. I'd rather have it more CPU hungry with better quality than less CPU hungry with lower quality. There are so many of the latter, already - and processors get faster all the time.

People complained about the lowish polyphony in Oasys, but I'd rather have it like it is if the alternative would be to have lower quality. Remember the race for more polyphony with ROMplers? Everybody was just going for that without much consideration on what things actually sounded like.

prophet wrote:

I guess all thats left now is Roland. Isnt the juno vsti just around the corner?

Roland makes VSTi's under the name Edirol, but wht about Kurz? Would really like to see k2600 as a vsti

I'm little bit defending nuffink here.

I don't think he or I have any problem with anyone releasing great synths. All are welcome. Truly.

But the game is changing.

I don't believe that Korg, Roland or anyone have an automatic right of entry just because of who they were.

We live in a new world now, and none of the traditional big players have AFAIK demonstrated excellence in the VSTi market in any meaningful way that has caught on.

While they can release VSTi versions of their back catalogues (good!), synths are moving on.

The NIs and other devs here are the ones that I see taking synths to new levels of creativity.

The future looks more to me like Crystal, PhatPro, Absynth, Slicy, Zeta, Kontakt and other similar groundbreaking products (excuse me if I've missed out your favourite here)

This is where Korg and all need to come up with fresh ideas if they're to maintain their position.

Re-releases of synths to a generation that never knew them will be of limited appeal.

Hello from Musikmesse!

I can tell you that the (Huge) Korg stand at Musikmesse doesn't have any more info than the preview video (They have it playing on a big projection screen), and the booth staff don't know anything more.....

It seems Korg the mothership are keeping their staff in the dark too!!

Interesting news though...


Damn these bloody german keyboards with their keys in the wromg place..... WTF

I hope they make a Mono/Poly VST. Or maybe a VST version of Trident...that was a real beast.

KEVVVVVV (should have a few more v's LOL)

Interesting points raisedby yopu Spritex and Nuffink.

I own an Oasys and most of the other synths mentioned (VSTi's).
Now, some of the other synths / samplers, especially the NI ones do have features that the Korg dosen't, specifically envelope stuff and some of the piutch / time features of Kontakt.

Oth the Oasys blows all of the VSTi's i have heard out of the water. By a long way. Ask the users, many of which I hold their opinions as being quite valid. The only VSTi that comes close imo is the raw waveforms of Atmosphere (but the filters aren't nearly as good).

I used an Oasys before getting into VSTi's (not enough cpu power at the time) and i was so disappointed when i started out with VSTi's. They really didn't sound as good. Kinda like the difference between a hardware verb and the waves one. To this day I still use the Oasys as my main sound source as well as Kontakt and Absynth. The others I don't really use very much as most of them don't sound too good or are too one dimensional for my taste.

Now this is only one users comments so prolly take with a pinch of salt but when they have made the best sounding product that can be used inside a VST host that isn't dedicated stand-alone hardware, plus they can take the advances made by other companies and incorporate them into their own products then I reckon they will have something to say in the future.

to Nuffink, you are a bit confrontational plus you also don't seem to have used the product so one has to wonder whether your opinion really does hold weight?

Cheers

22

PS They are a bunch of gits for not developing XP drivers thought. Even after most of the oasys board said they would pay for them. . .
PPS Donno why they aren't going for a firewire or USB2 OASYS type product, that would rockand also be immune to warezing. . .

Ben | KvR wrote:

Damn these bloody german keyboards with their keys in the wromg place..... WTF

But that concerns only the keyboards. As for the keyboards they are on the right place (midi note = midi note, all over the world)

What Hobbes said!...but a K2600 that does streaming.
But what kevvvvv said too:-)...although just because a (hardware) synth is old doesn't mean it has necessarily already given us everything it is capable of...most of these machines used to cost as much as,if not more than, the computer that we run our VSTIs on now,so they were nowhere nearly as available to some people with the talent but not the financial means to exploit these machines to the full. Just to take the Arturia Moog Modular V as an example, whatever you may think of the demos, I'm not sure if a single one of them would have been created by the people who did them if the synth necessary to do so cost +$5000. There is surely a future Tomita (or Walter/Wendy) out there somewhere,who can now afford to express him/herself. Sure,they'll do so even better on some of the innovative new products,but a bit of "classic" synth programming know-how (because programming and performance kind of overlap when you've got all those knobs to play with) can only be a positive thing.
Come to think of it, the Wavestation itself could have done with a few more knobs on its front panel:-)

OK Korg fans. I've edited the offending post.

kevvvvv wrote:

I don't believe that Korg, Roland or anyone have an automatic right of entry just because of who they were.

Well, not long ago people were wondering that there weren't any VSTi's from the old synth makers. More competition should be a good thing, no?

kevvvvv wrote:

We live in a new world now, and none of the traditional big players have AFAIK demonstrated excellence in the VSTi market in any meaningful way that has caught on.

Yes, there's only really the Roland/Edirol stuff and they are more or less romplers, not synths per se. That doesn't mean it can't change. And why lump all the old companies together?

I'd guess much of Korg's resources went to the Oasys which was a commercial flop. If the technolgy happened to be coded for Intel/Mac platform around the time the card came out you'd probably think very differently. It was just an unfortunate choice or bad timing for them.

kevvvvv wrote:

While they can release VSTi versions of their back catalogues (good!), synths are moving on.

I'm sure they know this. They also know that good quality emulations are quite popular, such as Pro52 and the Odyssey. And people have been asked for a Wavestation VSTi quite strongly!

They have to start the VSTi stuff from somewhere.
Who said there won't be any new VSTi synths from them after this? (Let's just hope it is profitable enough, so that it all doesn't go the way of the Oasys.)

kevvvvv wrote:

The NIs and other devs here are the ones that I see taking synths to new levels of creativity.

Some history for you: Generator was apparently inspired by the Korg's in-house SynthKit development tool (from early 1990's) which is also used to make the Oasys plugins.

kevvvvv wrote:

The future looks more to me like Crystal, PhatPro, Absynth, Slicy, Zeta, Kontakt and other similar groundbreaking products (excuse me if I've missed out your favourite here) This is where Korg and all need to come up with fresh ideas if they're to maintain their position.

Fresh ideas and quality implementation both.

I don't see that stuff any more innovative than what Korg has brought out along the years. I'm sorry, but I really fail to see that. You honestly think the Oasys wasn't fresh?!

kevvvvv wrote:

Re-releases of synths to a generation that never knew them will be of limited appeal.

Yes, about as limited as the appeal for Oddity, Arturus Modular, B4 or Pro53.

I am also hoping for new VSTi only synths from Korg but it has to be profitable for them until it happens. They must be quite cautious because of the Oasys.

- J

so, does anybody know if korg hired some well-experienced software instrument developers?

hehe, ben..thx for the "correspondent live from frankfurt" -like comments!

..keeps Kvr very alive and uptodate, as ever..

spritex .. I guess I'll take a leaf out of nuffink's book and concede all your points.

You win

22skidoo wrote:

PPS Donno why they aren't going for a firewire or USB2 OASYS type product, that would rockand also be immune to warezing. . .

I have been thinking about this, too. Especially now that there will be the TC Works Powercore Firewire. They should just make the Oasys run in such a box with maybe double DSP power than the original and chainability. No need to make any new plugins or anything for the launch since it already has way more than the competing products... (but make it compatible with existing plugins).

Oh, and release those VSTi's on the side if they like.

one for the conspiracy theorists -

where do you reckon ichiro toda [mr synth1] is now ???


slainte rob

spritex wrote:

22skidoo wrote: PPS Donno why they aren't going for a firewire or USB2 OASYS type product, that would rockand also be immune to warezing. . . I have been thinking about this, too. Especially now that there will be the TC Works Powercore Firewire. They should just make the Oasys run in such a box with maybe double DSP power than the original and chainability. No need to make any new plugins or anything for the launch since it already has way more than the competing products... (but make it compatible with existing plugins). Oh, and release those VSTi's on the side if they like.

Yeah, but there could be some very cool additions, 1. Possibility to add more RAM as needed Oasys w/ 1ghz ram would make a mean soft sampler, IMO a problem with things like the Creamware cards and the UAD. Ram is cheap and it would be cool to be able to upgrade.

Plus use cheaper chips, over a grand for the OASYS is silly money when compared with the power / performance of cards like the Creamware and especially the UAD which is knocking aout at around £500 at the moment. . . Obviously the OASYS wasn't selling at that price so the price then came down but it then wasn't a viable product for Korg to continue with. Ho hum, I am not a DSP guy but i would hazard a guess that the technology these days has reduced in price and should allow a more powerful and cheaper unit to be built.

It would be cool to see some of the hardware guys going this route. Their technologies are much more mature (and often better sounding) than the soft guys and as such would translate to very cool DSP products.

Cheers

22

Just to point somehting from my previous post the Oasys came out a few years before the UAD / TC powercore and the Creamware has had a couple of revisions since then adding more dsp power so the price was prolly an accurate reflection of the market / costs etc at the time. Just a bit too much for most people. Personally i reckon it was the lack of polyphony that killed it as people always pay for quality but in this case also wanted quantity. . .

22

I think it is great that Korg and other hardware companies are moving into the market. Some people think because NI is successful they are to be hated so I can imagine thoughts towards Korg or Roland. However, I enjoy knowing that if I buy a product from NI it works on XP and has been tested on a P4.

While the small companies puss the large companies with innovation, maybe the large companies will push the small companies with compatibility, refining and testing.

Robert

I am in the market for Wavestation AD and this is an interesting topic for me

To put it simply - i would LOVE to know the price - because if they plan to try to sell their plugs for 300$ like some major players do - i will most likely purchase the real hardware box, simply because it actually holds value as opposed to imaginary hardware.

Rabid wrote:

I don't own VSTi, VSTi's own me

Rabid,

I like your signature.
Frankly, I have to say that VSTi's own me too.
I love it !!!

Feveria wrote:

as opposed to imaginary hardware.

You mean software

If i try to sell you my imaginary Waldorf Wave would you buy it? What if i try to sell you my software?

How many people actually successfully sold their software?

It's about time companies realised that and priced their creations accordingly.

Feveria wrote:

If i try to sell you my imaginary Waldorf Wave would you buy it? What if i try to sell you my software? How many people actually successfully sold their software? It's about time companies realised that and priced their creations accordingly.

Its not an imaginary version, its a software version. If it does the same job, and sounds the same (and i say IF) then i can see why they may try to charge as much, but given the minimal hardware overheads, i agree it should be a lot cheaper.

Quote:

OK Korg fans. I've edited the offending post.

Well, not that I'm a Korg fanboy.. BUT..

Quote:

No I havn't tried the oasys system

Nuff said. Rather than come from behind, it's Korg that have had a huge head start on the likes of NI. Maybe you fail to realize the significance of the fact that most of their synth products in the past 10+ years have been DIGITAL. It means that most of their products are CODE based.. So they've had about a decade and a half to perfect algorithms.. Algorithms that they can refine and use with their VSTi's. They've also got all those years of experience. Look at NI's products from a few years ago to what they're doing now. Now apply about a decade and a half of that type of coding experience to Korg, along with some of the best sound designers in the business, and the fact that they know how to make a good sounding product (still better than almost all VSTi's in my opinion). I think that counts for more than you're giving them credit for, even if the VST market is a "new ballgame"

I'm curious as to what CPU power these things will take though. Korg are known as a company that will go for sound quality over the likes of polyphony every time. So I don't think there's much to worry about quality wise here. I'm pretty confident they'll shake things up, in terms of sound quality, when they enter the market.. Which can only be a good thing. Developers aren't going to be able to get away with stuff like half assed Prophet 5 emulations for much longer I think Prices? I'm willing to bet they'll be around the $300 mark. Korg have never been known for cheap prices, and I doubt their software will prove the exception..

Any news from Novation at Frankfurt btw? I'd have thought they'd have the V-Station on show there, if it's to launch around now..
(Edit: Just read Bens post.. Left wondering if they'll still manage to launch it in March now..)

PAK wrote:

Korg have never been known for cheap prices...

Not so. For much of the 80s, Korg's design philosophy was driven entirely by price/performance ratio. They made stuff cheeeeap. The PolySix was as stripped-down and budget as a polysynth could be at the time, but the affordability made it Korg's biggest success until the M1. They continued this route for several years with the Poly-61, 707 FM synth, and the Poly-800, which was the ultimate embodiment of the "make it as cheap as possible" philosophy.

They changed direction with the M1 -- which even though it wasn't cheap by today's standards, at the time it was a fantastic bargain... which is why they sold by the truckload.

Hehe.. I'll clarify..
Have never been known for their cheap prices lately
Value depends on your view point.. EG MicroKorg is cheap and cheerful, with some nice features, but good value? That's up for debate. There's no question though (to me at least) that stuff like their Triton is overpriced.. Unless you live in Japan, that is.. where it can be had for almost half the price that it sells for in the US/Europe..

PAK wrote:

Hehe.. I'll clarify.. Have never been known for their cheap prices lately Value depends on your view point.. EG MicroKorg is cheap and cheerful, with some nice features, but good value? That's up for debate. There's no question though (to me at least) that stuff like their Triton is overpriced.. Unless you live in Japan, that is.. where it can be had for almost half the price that it sells for in the US/Europe..

I paid top-dollar for my TRINITY and still feel that it was/is excellent value. With its expansion cards it is a complete studio in a single keyboard [except for a mic] and replaced older instruments that cost me 150% more than it. If I could hook up a full-size monitor to it I would probably still be using it and not any of this VSTi stuff.

I am completely confident that KORG will, as they have always done, blow everyone out of the water with their VSTi.

Personally I think Sequential Circuits (alas no more) beat the pants of the big hardware three. I mean thier machines at the time could play music, boil a kettle and make a nice cup of tea before any of the others could. You try emulating that in software! Ever tried a virtual cup of tea? Not the same thing at all.

My prediction is that Korg will come out with a synth that has an auto-fallatio knob that will interface with a sucking mechanism that will blow the competition out of the water. Imagine! The harder you play, the greater the cresendo the more this VSTi will suck you off. It will also come with a joystick attachment for those who like that sort of thing. It may not replace the real thing but it'll be close. And at the end of the day who's going to know what you used to bring about that orgasmic masterpiece? Only you right?

I think we are beating a dead horse. There is absolutely no way of telling whether KORG's virtual's will sound good, be priced appropriately, or will be supported well. We are all just speculating here.

I don't care if it's KORG or Butt-hole Electronics of Arkansas...if it sounds good a suits my needs, I'll buy it. It's easy to sit back and slag a company for what it's done in the past, but that does mean they will continue to do those things in the future...

I think when a company like KORG steps up and raises the stakes, people listen.(obviously by the length of this thread) It puts pressure on the rest of the developers to come up with better, more innovative and affordable products....so even if you don't buy one of KORG's products, you win.

These are definately good times for the readers of this forum!

dano

I miss my Poly-61, do you suppose they'll make a virtual Poly-61 with that cool quadrophonic joystick thing?

I hope Korg keeps those prices low, because hardware manufacturers seem to want to charge a premium for their software as if it's better. It's usually not. It will be challenging for anyone to develop a synth that can pull me away from z3ta+! Plus there are lots of other great softwares coming out that are already on my "to buy" list. Cakewalk Project 5, FXPansion MindFX, Izotope Trash. And I still have yet to figure out OhmForce QuadFrohm.

I don't have time for this hobby! And all the plugins in the world still can't keep me from writing songs that SUCK!!!!

so I guess Refx's Nexus is binned

danielmm wrote:

I think we are beating a dead horse. There is absolutely no way of telling whether KORG's virtual's will sound good, be priced appropriately, or will be supported well. We are all just speculating here.

Well the wavestation VST should sound identical since the original is DSP based, and the MS20 should sound at least as good as the MS2000 , I would assume, since thats also DSP.

While I found the video annoying as hell (and the jargon laughable)...I readily admit I've been a Korg fan for years (my current main MIDI controller is a Korg N264, which has some damn sweet sounds of its own).


I used to own a PolySix back in the 80's (as well as a Korg Lambda ensemble synth) and was madly in love with its sound...had a surprisingly big sound for a single oscillator synth, and it had some of the smoothest string sounds around (and a REALLY punchy Unison mode!).
Sadly, after I had the MIDI retrofit installed on it, it never quite seemed the same afterwards: noise, hum, etc. Heartbroken, I eventually wound up selling it, and have really missed it.

I'd definitely be interested ins seeing how all this works out....

willum wrote:

I miss my Poly-61, do you suppose they'll make a virtual Poly-61 with that cool quadrophonic joystick thing?

I had one too, and i snapped the joystick off when i stood it up against the wall and it slipped
thats what i hate about Korg synths, the joystick, too fiddlly and small.

I wonder how much that video cost?

£10,000 ... £20,000 ... more?... £50,000?

Pause for thought?

Bloody typical - just like the buses - you wait ages for one to arrive and then three turn up all at once.

Kriminal wrote:

I had one too, and i snapped the joystick off when i stood it up against the wall and it slipped thats what i hate about Korg synths, the joystick, too fiddlly and small.

I don't know what kind of joystick it had, but I have had several Wavestations and I think their joystick is excellent! I am missing it a lot.

It would be a good idea for Korg to bring out a quality controller with a similar joystick. There are also other softsynths that would benefit from this (vector controls in ES2 and Virsyn for example).

Quote:

It would be a good idea for Korg to bring out a quality controller with a similar joystick.

I think the new Novation ReMOTE 25 has a joystick similair to Korgs (with the option to springload it if you want). Only catch is the number of keys..

PAK wrote:

I think the new Novation ReMOTE 25 has a joystick similair to Korgs (with the option to springload it if you want). Only catch is the number of keys..

Thanks for the pointer. It does look a bit plastic, though. The WS joystick felt very "pro" and sturdy and moved around accurately. Also, the ReMOTE joystick seems to be the pitch/modwheel so you'd miss those.

I see it also has a touchpad, but I didn't feel nearly as comfortable with one on my Z1 as with the joystick on the WS.

As you say, the keyboard is too short to be used by itself.

Hmm, perhaps I should dig out a real wavestation somewhere...

realmarco wrote:

so I guess Refx's Nexus is binned

Not at all 'Marco!

Steinberg Xphraze is ReFX Nexus.

Read here : http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15903&postdays=0&postorde r=asc&start=0

If they manage to make the MS20 at least as good as the MS2000, then I'll be extremely happy. I have very low expectations of a perfect emulation of the quirky and distinctive MS-20/50, but the MS2000 is one of the better quality VAs in my opinion. I love my MS2000r, so I would welcome a good emulation with open arms.

-Tronam

Why not Korg PS 3300 as VST.

I'm looking forward to the Korg Collection, but that "teaser" was a big waste of 5 minutes. C'mon, give us the real scoop!

Anyone out there have any more info on these plugs?

AK toppa

those guys will do the trick. play a z1 and let me know:)