Hello. I'm just curiouse, what kind of lead are you using. How do you create that vintage atmoshere. What about the arpegio / bassline construction?
How you detune/eq/compress your lead to sound real phat but not too brighten? What VSTi you using for bass? What VST host do you like, and why? Add everything of your ideas, about this topic.

Perfection in music is subjective.

However, you could start with Synth1. I find it is great for trance. Synth1 can create some really nice trance leads AND basses. the kicker is it has a nice arp on it to.. oh and its free.

as far as trance goes.. try creating the chords with a pad, then take the chords and paste them into your lead synth and use that for the arp.

I find you can also take the top layer of the chord progression and use that as the bassline by transposing it to a much lower octave (and of course chopping it up to 16th or 32nd notes.

The sad thing is, its mostly trial and error i do believe. So as far as giving exact answers on how to create a commercially "Great" song, I dont believe it can be done.

its like any music, the creative part is the big difference.

On a related note:

When I listen to some trance music it sounds like the 4-on-the-floor beat is kind of "off" or on a shuffle...

Is this just my ears or do producers apply a techniqe to make it sound more "swing" like?

I agree with VitaminD. I never went out to make 'trance' music, but some listeners have commented on how 'trancy' I'm getting? Same with D&B, just because a tune I did had a similar rythem - scared the crap out of everyone. I just make music that is 'channeled' through me, and that I continue on with if I want.

But as to what to get bass wise, Ian Web here makes some great Synth Edit creations. And Bone's 'Killer' synths would be at home in trance as well I imagine? Synth1 is almost essential to any brand of music, and score the banks by AudioWhore and TekSonik for it. Primo stuff!
Also Crystal is a very trancey synth all by itself.

I'm just trying to keep The Velvet Undeground spirit alive - and doing a crappy job at it.

Some VSTi that are great for trance
- Reaktor - 3 detuned oscillators , set unison to 16 and see what happens.
- A0Dkl
- Phatmatik
- Z3ta+
- Synth1
- Pro53
- VAZ 2010
- Anamark
- Crystal
- JunoX2
- Plasticz
- AbSynth
- D'cota
- and others
But I'm curiouse how do you make the sound enginiering. I have experience in music production, but I'd like to listen to other opinions too.
btw. I don't make commercial music.

Im afraid this "heres a list of synths that are good for trance" is rubbish (no offence)

I make trance/techno, well everything really, and i use anything and everything.

If your just trying to copy commercial tracks sounds, then some VSTi's are better than others, but if you just want to create great tracks, use them all!

Check these out;

http://kriminal.phreque.com/clarity-solitude.mp3

http://kriminal.phreque.com/freaky-tree.mp3

Trancey tracks, very cliched. Tell me what you think?

Are there any black trance artists?

romanred wrote:

Is this just my ears or do producers apply a techniqe to make it sound more "swing" like?

Vary volumes and either use whatever swing control you've got or move things around by very small amounts by hand (perhaps 128th note or less).

For trance I would imagine you want to leave your kicks right on beat, everything else ought to be fair game.

nuffink wrote:

Are there any black trance artists?

I think there are probably "persons" and not "skin colors" who make music. Why would you possibly care?

Thanks Contrast,

Perhaps it was just my ears...maybe offbeat hit hat gives it that "rolling forward" sound...

I read and article (perhaps in FutureMusic) that said "typical" Trance/House/Euphoric/Progressive/Whatever-the-kids-call-it-these-days

has kind of a "moving forward" feel, where everything has a kind of tension that is begging for a resolution...It's hard to explain (they did it better) but almost like a train versuse a pogo stick...

Well, personally i do not know of any black trance producers, but I know of many black trance Djs and they are the best. After my comment my questioin back to you is, why the question? To me colors don't matter. I've produced many independent trance albums, and also hip-hop/Rap tracks and I'm about to record a local linkin park like band for their first album, and guess what? I'm latino. There is a local Latin band that wants me to work with them, but as weird as it might sound, I'm so not good at making latin music. My point is, if you have a passion for music, ones color is nothing to worry about.

like Krim said, don't contrain yourself by sticking to certain instruments, or even by copying the hundreds of soundalike chart-trance tunes about. do it your way.

the most important thing is that trance music is written for the dancefloor, so make sure you follow the 16/32 beat template (that is, every 16 or 32 beats add something or change something in the mix), and build it up. don't stick everything in at once. have a nice breakdown about 2/3 of the way it - strip it right back then hit them with all you have (after the inevitable 4bar snareroll...)

plenty of vsti have "trance" presets. usually named "sash arp" or something. Synth1 is your boy for arps, FM7 for leads, the rest is pretty much open to experimentation.

(this is only my opinion, everyone works differently. and that is as it should be)

cheers

romanred wrote:

Thanks Contrast, Perhaps it was just my ears...maybe offbeat hit hat gives it that "rolling forward" sound... I read and article (perhaps in FutureMusic) that said "typical" Trance/House/Euphoric/Progressive/Whatever-the-kids-call-it-these-days has kind of a "moving forward" feel, where everything has a kind of tension that is begging for a resolution...It's hard to explain (they did it better) but almost like a train versuse a pogo stick...

This is done by using a shuffle, and another trick is to tune the hats or ride cym up and down a tad as its playing

Turilaslasturi wrote:

nuffink wrote: Are there any black trance artists? I think there are probably "persons" and not "skin colors" who make music. Why would you possibly care?

Dunno about trance, but

Jeff Mills
Louis Armstrong
Derrick May
Grandmaster Flash
Carl Craig
Dizzy Gillespie
Afrika Bambataa
Juan Atkins
Miles Davis
Roni Size

Some men defined the groove and some of them just happened to appear in darker shades of skin. No connection or meaning whatsoever, just coincidental to the degree that makes me wonder.

romanred wrote:

Thanks Contrast, Perhaps it was just my ears...maybe offbeat hit hat gives it that "rolling forward" sound... I read and article (perhaps in FutureMusic) that said "typical" Trance/House/Euphoric/Progressive/Whatever-the-kids-call-it-these-days has kind of a "moving forward" feel, where everything has a kind of tension that is begging for a resolution...It's hard to explain (they did it better) but almost like a train versuse a pogo stick...

You don't really hear that in trance... maybe the odd track or two, but nothing more.

But, were you actually listening to trance? The reason I'm questioning this is because of FM... how dumb are they? Maybe trance and euphoric are the same thing, but how can they equate it with progressive house, or just plain house for that matter?

You'll definately get that moving forward feel from progressive house though...

Turilaslasturi wrote:

nuffink wrote: Are there any black trance artists? I think there are probably "persons" and not "skin colors" who make music. Why would you possibly care?

Admirable sentiments. I ask because although I have catholic tastes in music, I inevitably find that I lose interest in dance music when it strays too far from what I perceive to be it's black roots. I've been exposed to lots of trance, many of my friends love it and I go clubbing and partying a lot, but... I don't get it.
It seems to me to be a musical form devoid of all the things I love about dance music, and I hate to condemn a whole musical form. Hence the question. With my tastes, I figure that may be my way to understanding the genre. So given that it's an honest question, I ask again...

Are there any black trance artists?

Are you trying to say that

- Trance has black roots?

- Or dance music has black roots?

- Or black roots mean it's christian based?

- Or maybe you historically like music that has black influence? Then what does it have to do with catholic principles?

It sounds to me that you are looking for a black trance producer because his music will have black influence that is somehow more catholic than from white producers whose music is devoid of anything you love.

I mean what are you trying to say? Because so far this sounds just strange.

2 Unlimited

He means he's a music snob

ROOOOOTFL.... He means catholic in the sense of :

catholic —adj. 1 all-embracing; of wide sympathies or interests. 2 of interest or use to all; universal.


not:




deW

Feveria wrote:

Are you trying to say that - Trance has black roots? - Or dance music has black roots? - Or black roots mean it's christian based? - Or maybe you historically like music that has black influence? Then what does it have to do with catholic principles? It sounds to me that you are looking for a black trance producer because his music will have black influence that is somehow more catholic than from white producers whose music is devoid of anything you love. I mean what are you trying to say? Because so far this sounds just strange.

Catholic taste is a turn of phrase. It means varied and has nothing to do with religion.

Kriminal wrote:

He means he's a music snob

I'll take that as a no then Krim.

I see, i wasn't familiar with the expression.

I have adjusted my questions then:

Are you trying to say that

- Trance has black roots?

- Or dance music has black roots?

Here's what i am reading into it now - you believe that dance music has black roots - and therefore looking for a black trance producer, because the white trance producers strayed too far from the black roots and their music does not contain anything that you love. Essentially if it ain't black - you are not listening. But you still stand by your opinion that you have "catholic taste".

It's not very consistent.

Perhaps nuffink just associates "black" with "groove"... just like me. There's dance stuff, like house, dnb and rnb that get your ass moving, and then there's trance that just... goes boink boink boink tsik bang with no shuffle feel whatsoever?

I like both, I love dancing but house & trance are rather different to dance to. House is easy, you just let go with the obvious flow, but trance needs the other musical elements to get you moving. And yes, I find trance to be very European and white when compared with house and dnb. This is not a race issue or anythin like that, but this rhytmical difference surely has part of it's roots in dem cultures.

Feveria wrote:

I see, i wasn't familiar with the expression. I have adjusted my questions then: Are you trying to say that - Trance has black roots? - Or dance music has black roots? Here's what i am reading into it now - you believe that dance music has black roots - and therefore looking for a black trance producer, because the white trance producers strayed too far from the black roots and their music does not contain anything that you love. Essentially if it ain't black - you are not listening. But you still stand by your opinion that you have "catholic taste". It's not very consistent.

I'll take that as no too.

Do you classify Goa as European too?

No, he means if ya ass aint black, he aint shakin too it. Correct me if im wrong.

Oh, and Carl cox is black, very, in fact, and he has made a lot of trance trax.

Kriminal wrote:

No, he means if ya ass aint black, he aint shakin too it. Correct me if im wrong. Oh, and Carl cox is black, very, in fact, and he has made a lot of trance trax.

Ok, I've heard Carl Cox play house and techno lots. Never knew he made trance. I'll check it out.

Just out of interest, why does it matter?

I dance to music i like, and ive prob never heard of the arstist in most cases, let alone know his skin colour

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No, he means if ya ass aint black, he aint shakin too it. Correct me if im wrong. Oh, and Carl cox is black, very, in fact, and he has made a lot of trance trax.

Yes. If your ass is black, you can groove like the best of them. And if your ass is white you make superb trance, an when you combine that talent - tsadaa - 2 unlimited again!

All black guys also have very big dicks

...that's how you're supposed to read opinions

(I classify Goa as Europeans go to Far East and do lots of sun and even more drugs")

Here's an opinion for you:

I am looking for a different bench. Because when i sit on my usual bench blacks who sit next to me on the bench (and i am very catholic bench sitter) - they all smell unpleaseantly. So since i am very open minded and don't want to condemn bench-sitting in it's entirety - i need your help locating a bench where blacks don't stink.

There's a big difference having an opinion, or leaking embroidered racism.

And for the benefit of Nuffink: next time you want to ask and actually get help - instead of mixing race into the question - why not ask for an artist with a specific influence you looking for. Guess what - that artist may be black, white, hispanic or a jew. You fucking retard.

I'm happy just stinking on a black bench while all the catholic whites get all the chicks.

wtf didn't see a single racist comment, chill...

OnTopic:

If you want to make a good trance tune, just stop listening to trance for months, get a healthy dose of classical music (I recommend Jean Sibelius) and then start all over again.

Feveria wrote:

Here's an opinion for you: I am looking for a different bench. Because when i sit on my usual bench blacks who sit next to me on the bench (and i am very catholic bench sitter) - they all smell unpleaseantly. So since i am very open minded and don't want to condemn bench-sitting in it's entirety - i need your help locating a bench where blacks don't stink. There's a big difference having an opinion, or leaking embroidered racism. And for the benefit of Nuffink: next time you want to ask and actually get help - instead of mixing race into the question - why not ask for an artist with a specific influence you looking for. Guess what - that artist may be black, white, hispanic or a jew. You fucking retard.

Thanks for the input Feveria. I haven't got a clue what you're ranting about, but I'm sure it all made sense to you before you wrote it down.

Thanks for trying though, maybe next time you'll manage.

Feveria wrote:

Thanks for trying though, maybe next time you'll manage.

You're welcome. Maybe if you wrote in yor native tongue I could pass it through babelfish?

I don't care if some old lady makes the music and no one else should either.
to answer the ORIGINAL question, trance can be made with any synth.
time and practice, and born talent carry you, not a 300$ vst.
grab synth 1 and USE it!
all this other talk is uneeded about black/white/old/young.

If you wan't to give your tune a sense of moving forward, or progression, offset the drum track slightly. That'll give them a sense of urgency, and this is probably what some of you have been referring to.

As far as 'trancey' sounds, from my personal experience, what I end up using the most is Synth-1.

Some others good ones are:

FM7
Z3TA+
Discovery
Albino
Pro-53

For the record dance music's roots might be hard to follow back for some of the younger members of the board but yes indeed they are black roots in the main.

Nothing racist, rude,ignorant or flaming implied written or directed at one one here

For the record dance music's roots might be hard to follow back for some of the younger members of the board but yes indeed they are black roots in the main.


Why say something and then not elaborate?

Polka existed long before America was founded. Or if you are trying to trace it down to cradle of civilization as we know it somewhere in northern
Africa - then i don't see how posters age plays role in this argument, unless you are Moses.

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Why say something and then not elaborate?

Well for one thing why should I sit here and type out the history of dance just to put over a point to you. I'm more than sure you can easily do a search on Google or somewhere and find a multitude of sites that already have this information on.

Plus I do not have any desire to get into another lengthy diatribe with you that will end up in rudeness like your "contributions" usually do.

Search engines are a wonderful thing, just like dictionaries are as was proved earlier in the thread.

Oh and to come back on topic a quote from Harry Hard of the Friday Night Posse - who are now producing a lot of Northern Trance type tracks in the UK "Most of our main synth leads are actually duplicated on the SupernovaII, the Virus rack AND my EX-7 to make the sound stand right out.

I usually use a pizzicatto sound off the EX-7 just to give the lead a good attack transient, just for that initial "click" when the lead plays a note, then the SNII and Virus have a simillar sound, detuned slightly. Bear in mind tho that both the Virus and EX-7's duplicates of the lead are played VERY low in the mix so that it doesn't completely overpower the listener.

When you hear a melody in a breakdown we nearly ALWAYS double up the melody with the synth playing an octave higher when the drums/bass kick back in.

Its a subtle addition (the higher octave melody is played quite low in the mix) but it gives the whole melody an extra "lift" after the breakdown. "

So if you substitute appropriate sounding VSTi's and layer and detune in this manner you can build up a big sounding synth lead for trance. The same methods can be applied to trance pads too. Throw in liberal use of cutoff and resonance and you will end up somewhere towards the desired effect. Bear in mind though that a lot of the classic trance sounds you hear are from Roland JP-8080's Access Virus b & c's, Novation Supernova's, Nordleads & Juno's. While we do have VSTi's that can approximate these sounds to get them to sound very authentic you will have to layer and experiment.

I'll leave the web searches to someone who cares where you get your fiction from.

Oh and as for dictionaries - sorry for making it easy to pull a cheap shot on a person speaking a foreign tongue.

I feel entitled to rudeness towards anyone who speaks out on a public forum and fails to back up his argument when confronted. If you back away from a challenge to match your intelligence against mine - you should have reserved your wisdom for your family.

Feveria: chill, bro. I know you are a good guy, but you're sounding like the old cliche - pride cometh before the fall.

If you want the ultimate in wit or intelligence, you could join a debating club, get into law, or just go some place where you show your face and start one. Certainly real time dynamic debating is far more stimulating and worthy of your efforts than going at it in tortoise time against anonymous adversaries, wouldnt you agree?

No offense intended, bro. Take care.

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Feveria: chill, bro. I know you are a good guy, but you're sounding like the old cliche - pride cometh before the fall.

Indeed it does

So my "learned friend" - in your limited universe where does dance music have it's roots? In the real world if you look at the early house music that came out of the black gay clubs of Chicago and from places like the Paradise Garage in New York those guys were cooking up a melting pot of influences that right out of the bag there given the name Paradise Garage you can see what that gave to us. Chicago on the other hand had the more minimal "Jack Your body" type stuff. But what could have influenced them I wonder? On the Paradise Garage side of things you can look at this diverse list of what was considered classics there if you can be bothered:

http://users.tellurian.net/garage2/pg/coquis/cpre76.html


This shows a wide ranging melting pot of soul, motown, funk and the like - hmmm - Black music anybody?

For more on the Paradise Garage:

http://www.disco-disco.com/clubs/paradise.html
http://www.jahsonic.com/ParadiseGarage.html

Obviously this place wasn't the starting point either. For the music that is on that list as pre-76 that was all influenced further back by other artists which if you trace it linearly will birng you I am sure to R&B, jazz and if you keep going thru gospel and the like depending on how far you want to trace it's family tree.

Now for the House sound Of Chicago. This too shares some of the same influences but also took in some European influences too, But for a track listing of the 15 CD set of the History Of The House Sound Of Chicago and it's follow up see here:

http://www.discogs.com/release/43501
http://www.discogs.com/release/48572


For a more anecdotal history rather than a list of tracks:

http://33rpm.8m.com/HouseHistory/part1_1.htm

This is I guess what most people would look at as the roots of todays dance music. A big melting pot of influences that all have lineage that can be traced back.

I have no idea how old you are but you really do come off as the embodiment of that old adage empty vessels make the most sound.

I NEVER enter into a thread just for the sake of it. I will only ever say something that I know to be true or maybe to ask a question so as I can gain a little more insight. I saw things being said that were blatantly factually wrong being said - dance music's roots are black - just like rock and roll. That is a fact. All of this stuff has it's roots in stuff that is obviously been put into the revisionist blender in somebodies fevered mind.

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I feel entitled to rudeness towards anyone who speaks out on a public forum and fails to back up his argument when confronted. If you back away from a challenge to match your intelligence against mine.

No mate you just are plain rude. Your lack of manners and intelligence is plain for all to see.

I thought you will prove me wrong - however you seem to argue that dance music as such began with House music. And since House music takes it's roots from black culture therefore it's safe to assume that dance music takes it's roots from black culture.

I am sure that dance music did not exist prior to that. Oh wait, i am uneducated so how would i know. It was obviously created in vacuum by a telented group of black individuals.

It's extremely interesting how one can invent history and claim ownership of music styles by just a little bit of googling around.

Hardy Slicer: thanks for concern but i manage my own.

I can't beleive I read through this whole thread and have nothing to say????

This is the Instruments forum, right?

dano

Sorry, it was a waste of time - i feel the same way.

Especially since i already watched that program on VH1 about Disco and was enlightedned about the gay black roots of it.

My fault though anyway - next time you see a topic i reply to - know in advance that it's not worth reading, since i usually involve myself in utter worthless bulshit. Trait of character.

Ah, the weekend is here.....worry not...the force is strong it is.

That's my best Yoda impersonation. Has nothing to do with the original topic of this thread so it fits right in!!!!

dano

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I thought you will prove me wrong - however you seem to argue that dance music as such began with House music.

Ummm no

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Obviously this place wasn't the starting point either. For the music that is on that list as pre-76 that was all influenced further back by other artists which if you trace it linearly will birng you I am sure to R&B, jazz and if you keep going thru gospel and the like depending on how far you want to trace it's family tree.

But then acknowledging the above would blow your theory out of the water. Motown was dance music, Northern Soul (that we embraced in the UK) was dance music - both from the 60's along with Atlantic Records era soul & R &B - all dance music - which all had influences on the birth of disco which gaves us house.

How much nose rubbing in your poo do you need?


God wasted a good arsehole when he put teeth in your mouth.

i > u? LMAO!

How much nose rubbing in your poo do you need?


God wasted a good arsehole when he put teeth in your mouth.

i > u? LMAO!

You keep ignoring and forcing me to repeat - i do not believe dance music started with gospel, or r'n'b or soul - and quiet clearly pointed out that dance music existed long ago before America even started and "black" culture you referring to even appeared. Examples include Polka, irish traditional dance, Latin dances - etc - which are all clearly considered to be dance music. With some "dictionary searches" i can go on naming a countless list of "dance music" - rhythmical music created for the purposes of dance throughout history and throuhgout the world, until i arrive back to the cradle of humanity - Africa.

Unless you are willing to address what i have stated - i don't consider your argument worth the typing time.

Feveria wrote:

...and was enlightedned about the gay black roots of it.

Reg...

BTW Feveria, did you ever find that bench?

Feveria wrote:

Rhythmical music created for the purposes of dance throughout history and throuhgout the world, until i arrive back to the cradle of humanity - Africa.

Please guys read this statement by Feveria and end this mindless debate, I bet all of us like our music, get real passionate about it but the fact is that dance music is rhythm and rhythm is Africa... Dance music is all about Africa because we are talking about repetitive drums with subtle changes that drive you too ecstasy (mind gets in trance, body separates from the soul). It used to be a ritual, now people pay big bucks to get the feeling from the new shamans (big star or not so big star Djs)

So before Mozzer starts his preaching, I have to say to him that this particular kind of drums ecstasy can be achieved with tone sensitive instruments too (call me a crescendo, only here there is no trance but mainly euphoria, the way though is the same, the music peaks to give you salvation). I can throw a dozen classical composers that were doing "dance" music lead melodies back then. There is a particular track by Bach (I am not sure on the composer here, so spare me the mistake) that loops a brass section for 4 bars and it is like the fattest techno you ever heard... or somebody could tell you about the harmony (between mind and body) of Chinese folk music or the endless variations on scales of Indian music... Or whatever... I hope you get the point, it is all about one thing... Everything affects everything... So it is a bit weird to try to find the starting point. I mean I can believe all about the "Big-Bang" theory that refers to the universe birth but who gave birth to the dot (and most important what motivated him) with infinite density ? (Just to put it on a more philosophical state).

As about Feveria I believe his a good guy that has lost his control over his temper just because no one saw his point... Everything affects everything... There is no beginning, only recycling and looping.

All the best the Junkie

Ps: This is my truth and most probably is subjective, so if someone has another then I am more than happy to hear it, just as long he will never try to persuade me adopt his truth by force because that is fascism.

Now that is hysterical. I have never preached. I have offered up proof for something that I wrote. You cannot re-write club/dance music history - it is what it is. That is not preaching and FFS it certainly is not fascism!!!

Yes it you want to keep tracking black music's roots back to it's logical conclusion we would get to Africa. The references to the polka and the like were a little self serving as I'm not sure how tenous a link could be applied to modern dance or CLUB music which is after all what we were talking about.

Anyway it is obvious that whatever is said here it will get twisted by whoever to suit their own agenda.

If you can be bothered to actually read those sites that I posted and open your eyes and mind you will see that far from having an agenda (which frankly is fucking hsyterical!) I merely pointed you to sites that have facts and offer the history of the true roots of house music - WHICH for the majority of younger clubbers is what THEY would perceive as the beginnings of their music of today. The sites offer up the need information to maybe do some more research to see who the artists that influenced the originiators of house were influenced by in turn - etc etc - that is if you can be bothered which you probably won't. Obviously with the younger clubbers of today not being around in the 40s/50s/60s/70s the majority would not appreciate where the artists that started off the house/club music got THEIR influences from. THAt was the point of this and if you or anyone else want to deny THEM their own mind and history then you are the fascists here!!

For the record I was born in 1959 and I lived through the 60's and 70's and experienced some of this first hand. But I know damn well that I'll be ridiculed by Feveria - not that I give a shit - as some old fart that knows nothing - whatever.

Mozzer wrote:

Now that is hysterical.

Wow... Hold your horses man... a bit... if you mind

I am sure you can appreciate some humour man... That preaching thing is referring to your nickname which resembles Moses to me... So be cool with that.

As for your narrow minded approach on the roots of house music, if it suits you, looking at the tree and not at the forest then it is cool by me no problem. I am not arguing with you, I just published my opinion on this subject and please stop posting links of so-called roots of music... Most of them are from disillusioned journalists that can not separate their mouth from their asshole... Actually the ones to blame for the monster that dance music has become is the press (especially U.K) and of course package like tourists that visit Ibiza every year So please enough of this mindless roots of music... Enough of this press stupidity that this new guy is like the "Miles" of electronic music or that new guy is like the "Mozart" of electronic music and so on... Judging from your age I believe that you shouldn't fall on traps like that. When you make music everything that surrounds you, from music to how you got up in the morning, from having good sex to separating with your girlfriend, from a good movie to a bloody fight... EVERYTHING will be there in your music. I hope you can understand that. If not its cool, I am not Jesus or something...

Maximal respect the Junkie

OK OK I've seen the error of my narrow minded can't read and listen ways and i now know that house music of course had it roots in the Wheeltappers & Shunters Workingmens Club in the UK back in the 1970's when they would say "All around the roooooooooom" and the place would erupt into a dancefloor frenzy.

Or not

All I can say is d0h

Persistance is not something i try to excersize in myself so i at this point i am loosing interest.

I kept trying to get across a fairly simple thing: I am opposed to anyone trying to claim roots to anything which was not developed in a vacuum. Claiming that dance music roots are black (and lets not kid ourselves - from the context of this thread it's fairly clear that American black is implied, not the Africa native black which is in all respects very different ) is just an example. If you didn't like my Polka example - you could've picked my Salsa, Rumba, Merenge example - with the way things are going and latin culture becoming more popular - i wouldn't be surprised that in 15 years i will be having same argument with somebody claiming that "dance music as we know it" (again) has latino roots. And when French dances were all the hype back in 12th century i am sure Mossier le'Mozzier of that time claimed that the dance that was taking feudal Europe by storm was born on the banks of Sena.

Carl Cox

Don't call me that.

I need a good hardclap, anybody ? Ideas were I can find that ?
I just started the megamix. This will include the 14 songs of mine. Any tips for creating the mix ? - This is the first mix that will be a like 74 minutes. How do I make changes from one song/chord to another ?
Thanks.

Anybody who needs inspiration ??? Well, I have it. After seeing the girl of my dream/my inspiration/one of my girl-friends' with another guy -a motherfucker - and the girl now gives a damn about me - that's inspiration for hard trance. ramp - ramp - ramp - SCOOTER forever.
Love, peace, unity - SYBERIA the place to be!
Fu_ck girls, love, and romance. Kill'am all.
I will make a remix to Abba's - One of us.
Yeahhh... blah
Life sux