Yes, OK, I know one doesn't actually exist (yet!) but just for fun I thought I would create an identical loop with several VSTi's that are reknowned for being (or being able to produce) fairly good 303 style sounds.

I have named them 1 to 7 and wanted your opinions on which one sounds the best.

Just to add a bit of spice, one of the loops was made using a sample and one of them was made with a Synth Edit VSTi.

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/compare_1.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/compare_2.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/compare_3.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/compare_4.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/compare_5.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/compare_6.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/compare_7.mp3

I'll let you know soon which number loop was produced with which VSTi

i like example 4..hate example 7

you know what I think dreamstation is the number one for 303 sounds but you would never know since the presets don't show the real power and its missing glide so no crazy 303 slides but the sound is incredible for overdriven 303 sounds with that built in distortion and for once a softsynth that doesn't distort while rising resonance

lamest: 1
coolest: 5

BTW: nice exercise!

Fette Töle

Nice idea Alex!

Hey, one question... Would it be possible to post the midi sequence used?

I'd like to compare something to these.

Cheers,

b

brittnell wrote:

Nice idea Alex! Hey, one question... Would it be possible to post the midi sequence used? I'd like to compare something to these. Cheers, b

No probs

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/compare303.mid

alex - midi link is dead here


[EDIT] dont worry - working fine here now

slanite rob

Thanks Alex! (link works fine here)

i like 3 best
and 7 worst [too reverby and washy]

4 and 5 are ok

and the rest mediocre

of course this isnt to say that any of them sound like a 303 - just that i prefer the sound of some to others

and im pretty sure that 2 is the synthedit jobbie [either the sawbox or odos tb-unknown or even my own DIRTbox ??? ] - jeffs excellent oscilators are pretty recognisable [i hope]

slainte rob

eXpeRIMentFOUR wrote:

alex - midi link is dead here slanite rob

Try again Rob....it should be there now

eXpeRIMentFOUR wrote:

of course this isnt to say that any of them sound like a 303 - just that i prefer the sound of some to others

Of course....just a bit of fun really

eXpeRIMentFOUR wrote:

and im pretty sure that 2 is the synthedit jobbie [either the sawbox or odos tb-unknown or even my own DIRTbox ??? ] - jeffs excellent oscilators are pretty recognisable [i hope]

You have good ears my friend

Sawbox is number 2 ....I was quite impressed by Sawbox actually

OK, here's the list:

1 - Plugsound - Synths (that was the sample )
2 - Sawbox
3 - Triangle 2
4 - Tau Pro
5 - Vaz 2010
6 - Tritium
7 - Beast

Did you use external effects on your riff? The drums sound different in each sample. Wouldn't external effects make it tough to compare different vsti?

sluggo

I loved 3 & 5 the most...

...and it just goes to show how much I underappreciated Triangle II. Even though I have always been a great fan of it, I wouldn't have thought to try and program it for a TB303!

just for fun now that the list is published -

http://www.experimentfour.dsl.pipex.com/files/x4-303.mp3

my little DIRTbox [have you tried it ???] playing your midi file and some sr202 electro drums - what so you reckon compared to sawbox [cos i think they actually sound quite distinct from each other despite [i guess] having pretty similar architectures] ???

slainte rob

Alex wrote:

OK, here's the list: 1 - Plugsound - Synths (that was the sample ) 2 - Sawbox 3 - Triangle 2 4 - Tau Pro 5 - Vaz 2010 6 - Tritium 7 - Beast

Should have told 'em they were all the real thing

couldnt resist another one - bit more acidic this time -

http://www.experimentfour.dsl.pipex.com/x4-303-02.mp3

slainte rob

No I haven't tried Dirtbox. I tried to download but your site is past its bandwidth. Don't fancy emailing it to me do you?

Oh, and I preferred your second demo It sounds a bit warmer than Sawbox IMO

will mail it shortly [ny credit card fouled up and the site reverted to free hosting settings - hence the bandwidth thing - must sort that out]

EDIT - cant mail it alex - the new kvr mail form doesnt allow attachments - pm with your addy or grab the plug from the link below

alternatively - you [and anyone else interested] can get the file directly from here [without bandwidth worries as the files are hosted seperately] -

http://www.experimentfour.dsl.pipex.com/files/DIRTbox.versionONE.zip

enjoy

slainte rob

My fav 303 emulator is Oomek 303 (not VST tho, but you may use it in your VST environment using BuzzVST in a future or with Fruity Loops Buzz Wrapper)

A little demo:

www.buzzxp.com/files/oomek303.mp3

Thanks Rob, just d/loading now

Here`s my sampled 303..

www.sunscape.karoo.net/303comp.wav

Raul@discoDSP.com wrote:

My fav 303 emulator is Oomek 303 (not VST tho, but you may use it in your VST environment using BuzzVST in a future or with Fruity Loops Buzz Wrapper) A little demo: www.buzzxp.com/files/oomek303.mp3

yes, that is very nice indeed. I tried this in Fruityloops though and the slide and accent doesn't work at all in the buzz adapter which is a shame.

how about this?

http://home.att.net/~vitamind/files/303.ogg

I liked 7 best except for the reverb.

6 is my least favorite, and 2 is my next least favorite (despite the fact that I *do* like Sawbox, when properly treated).

polartech wrote:

Here`s my sampled 303.. www.sunscape.karoo.net/303comp.wav

you have a real roland Tb-303 ?

Quote:

you have a real roland Tb-303 ?

Yes, I`m lucky enough to ... It`s here:

www.sunscape.karoo.net/my303.jpg

Aaahhhh...

When listening to the samples I have the impression that wildly different settings where used (e.g. you used the Reverb from Beast), some have slow decay times for filter, some have high decay times, some have much resonance, some none at all etc.

Wouldn't it be more kinda fair to tweak the settings as far as possible so they at least have the same properties (same decay-times, same resonance etc.) as far as the instruments allow for that?

I know for a fact that Beast (and even Claw) can produce much more convincing 303 sounds than that (including accents and slides).

Cheers,
Mike

If anyone wants to use the sampled original version, I would highly recommend this particular CD by the way:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2520706581

beeing a retro-acid-maniac i must admit, only the oomek 303 excerised by raul sounds actually like a 303. the rest utterly sucks, no wait, it absolutely lacks on a comparison with a 303. a high reso saw doesn't make a 303, guys - and nope, not even a slided high reso saw makes a 303

polartech, if that's a real 303 in your .wav i'll lick my own ass. dunno how you should have made the slide that slow.

my 3 cents.

ronny

ronny priest wrote:

beeing a retro-acid-maniac i must admit, only the oomek 303 excerised by raul sounds actually like a 303. the rest utterly sucks, no wait, it absolutely lacks on a comparison with a 303. a high reso saw doesn't make a 303, guys - and nope, not even a slided high reso saw makes a 303 polartech, if that's a real 303 in your .wav i'll lick my own ass. dunno how you should have made the slide that slow. my 3 cents. ronny

even the guy's REAL tb303 doesnt sound like a tb303 to you??

reso saw?? my soundfile uses the pulse.. listen again(if you actually did before)... there is NO saw.

VitaminD wrote:

even the guy's REAL tb303 doesnt sound like a tb303 to you?? reso saw?? my soundfile uses the pulse.. listen again(if you actually did before)... there is NO saw.

right, that 303 doesn't sound like a 303 to me. and yes, i listened to all files in this thread, but hey, i had to sum it up a bit.

you know,

my house


my car


my wife



ronny

Err, yes, it`s a real one.

No axe to grind here, so take it or leave it.. just thought it`d be interesting to compare.

Peace out...

Maybe it's the lousy mp3 compression that spoils my image (the filter envelope sounds way too slow). anyway, your 303 line couldn't feature any less real 303 personality.

pardon me, if i was wrong.

ronny

You are duly pardoned.

i think that the excerpts shown here lack on well crafted basslines with attacks and slides, i mean most clips here are like they could be done with any synth. could we do it again with more 303 flava?

my contribution:

http://rohformat.smash-designs.de/bassline.mp3

cheers,
ronny

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote:

When listening to the samples I have the impression that wildly different settings where used (e.g. you used the Reverb from Beast), some have slow decay times for filter, some have high decay times, some have much resonance, some none at all etc. Wouldn't it be more kinda fair to tweak the settings as far as possible so they at least have the same properties (same decay-times, same resonance etc.) as far as the instruments allow for that? I know for a fact that Beast (and even Claw) can produce much more convincing 303 sounds than that (including accents and slides). Cheers, Mike

I did try and use similar settings for most of them but I must admit that it is difficult programming exactly the same sound with each....maybe due to their internal parameter settings? Like with Triangle 2....if I turned the cutoff right up to match that of the others, then it didn't sound like a 303 at all.

This comparison thing is only a bit of a laugh and I am sure a better 303 can be achieved with most of these VSTi's. I suspect the reason why the Buzz machine sounds that cool is because it has filter sweeps which add more interest. This I didn't do either

Regarding the reverb. Yes, you are right, Beast did have reverb as I just tweaked the 303 preset I used from the default presets. I didn't switch this off and should have done for better comparisons with the others.

I actually thought the Plugsound sample was pretty good. Marks out of ten ....hhhmm....I'd give it 5/10

Of course Vaz 2010 did sound very good too but it sounded much better when I used its internal sequencer with slides etc., but for comparison purposes I stuck with the midi file. I'd give it 7/10

Now Triangle 2 I thought sounded very phat and will probably use this over some of the others if I wanted a 303 type sound. Marks out of ten...6/10

Beast I think has some lovely filters and I think it sounded sweet as anything. I reckon its a 7/10

Sawbox....I was very impressed with this little freebie. The SE filters are quite nice. I give it 5/10

Now Tritium....I am sorry but no wonder this company stopped makng VSTi's. This thing sucks IMO....and what on earth a band pass filter is doing on a 303 clone I do not know. This gets a 1/10.

Tau Pro I have always used for acid in the past. It is good, there is no avoiding that, but I didn't really think it stood out that much from the rest in terms of sounding like a real TB303. I give this a 7/10.

Of course my ratings are only based on their capability to produce 303 type-sounds (not other sounds) and with my quick programming for this bit of fun. If I wanted to use a 303-type sound from any one of these VSTi's in a tune then I would have spent a lot more time getting it just right and there would have been filter sweeps etc. So I do advice that anyone buying any of them (well...the commercial ones anyway) should check em out for themselves and see how well they perform the particular part your after.

Even though some of them gave quite nice acid sounds, I don't think by any means any of them sounded like a real TB-303. I hope that sometime soon someone releases a VSTi that gives at least a 9/10 to my ears. Maybe Creakbox will be released as a VSTi soon....that would be nice.

Oh, and just to show some comparison between these VSTi's and ReBirth. I would personally only give ReBirth a 7/10. IMO it is no more like a real TB303 than the best of the VSTi's when programmed well.

I couldn't listen to the examples cos I'm at work. But I too have noticed that there is a distinct lack of convincing sounding 303 VST's available at the mo. . .

The best emulation's were/are, Props Re-Birth and Synapse Audio's Monobass.

Alas, niether of them are strictly VST (Monobass is 'hard wired' to Orion)
and both sound a little 'weaker' than the original silver box but they tend to sound fine in the mix tho.

I used to own a real 303 many years ago so I feel I'm in a good position to comment.

The best VST 303 emulator to my ears at the mo is Synapse Audio's Scorpion 3. I downloaded a demo of this synth and was suprised at how '303ish' it sounded.

I believe this is due to the fact that the Scorpion has 18dB low pass filtering (like the original 303) and this is the secret IMHO.

If you want to emulate a 303 properly, you must remember to limit yourself to only using the parameters that are available on a real 303:- cut off, resonance, env mod, decay, accent, slide.

Tux.

polartech: now that's a 303 bassline

If exactly THAT sound is what you're looking for when asking for the REAL 303 sound then the two examples of ronny and polartech sounds MUCH better than the VSTis.

I like the Tau Pro soft synth (#4 in your test), but not necessarily for trying to emulate the TB-303. When this VSTi first came out, I though it was pretty darn good for the money. It really is hard to duplicate the original, so no wonder people are paying $1,000 for a real TB-303.

Ahh. I take it back...prices are on the decline. Only $800.00 nowadays.

http://www.prepal.com/data/Roland.htm

Big thanks to polartech and to bojango as well.

Someone bought my cd from ebay, so it has been relisted here

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2520848761


You can buy direct from

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/nextbestthing/reincarnationWEB.htm

Sorry for the spam, but people will remember my very forthright opinions in recent analogue vs digital debates here which is why I created the cd in the first place, so thanks to KVR as well.

The Halion version can now be controlled by a keyboard modwheel or other controller which is really excellent.



cheers


Sealed

Here are my 303 clone submissions:

http://www.bioroid.com/303test7.mp3
http://www.bioroid.com/303test8.mp3

Done with the Creakbox Bassline VSTi. Coming soon..

bioroid

bioroid wrote:

Here are my 303 clone submissions: http://www.bioroid.com/303test7.mp3 http://www.bioroid.com/303test8.mp3 Done with the Creakbox Bassline VSTi. Coming soon.. bioroid

Hey man, that sound pretty damn good. You know I can't wait for Creakbox VSTi

As I mentioned before the Vaz loop didn't make use of the built in sequencer, slides and accent. So just for you I have done an example of Vaz using all its 303 style functions

www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/vaz_slides_seq_accent.mp3

In my opinion this may well be an 8/10

bioroid wrote:

Here are my 303 clone submissions: http://www.bioroid.com/303test7.mp3 http://www.bioroid.com/303test8.mp3 Done with the Creakbox Bassline VSTi. Coming soon.. bioroid

Damn that sounds sweet.. can't wait!

Re: Creakbox VSTi.

Arrgh! When is "soon?"

Hm ... the Tritium was/is a little underrated imo : TwoTritiumsPlusDrums

It just goes to show how subjective the ears are doesn't it? People here all have their own opinions on which sound more like a 303 (as do I) and we're never all going to agree - and having a 303 makes no difference to the argument either - Ronny thought a 303 wasn't a 303!

There really are quite alot of VSTis out there that do VERY good emulations of 303s - they mostly don't have the full range of a 303 and probably never will, but each can do a certain part of the 303 sound, so who cares which sounds the most realistic - they ALL do in different frequency bands or with different sequences. Jeez, I remember when I used to have both a 303 and a 202 - a mate of mine who was really into his acid stuff (and had a 303 himself) swore that he could always spot a real 303 ..... as opposed to other analogues (there weren't VSTis in those days). I used to have an OSCar which could do a spot on emulation of a 303 at certain sequences and my MS20 and MS10 can both do similar (although in other frequency ranges).......... so anyway he swore blind that a bassline I'd done was made with a 303, and he went on and on about how good they were and ONLY 303s could make that kind of atmosphere - well it was a load of crap because I'd made the line with my 202, and to this day there are still people out there who swear that some of the old commercial acid stuff was 303s when in actual fact alot of the basslines were done on 101/202s. Yes I know the screaming lines are done on 303s, but even 303 users get this one wrong often.

So basically any so-called "expert" on 303s I take with a pinch of salt...... I've owned and still own any number of synths which can be mistaken for a 303 when they're programmed properly - and the same with VSTis - only more so. For god's sake you can get two original 303s which can sound different when you A/B them side by side. Nostalgia and analogue lust can make your ears hear things which aren't there, or miss things which ARE there. ANy and I really mean ANY of the VSTis mentioned in this thread can be made to sound identical to a real 303 - it all depends on what the sequence is, and how much you sweep it/ where the frequency line is.

And the flip side is.... can you make a 303 sound like an OSCar or an MS20 .... can you ****!

mistertoast wrote:

Re: Creakbox VSTi. Arrgh! When is "soon?"

its been "coming soon" for the past 5-6 months now.. dont hold your breath

http://www.tb-303.org/news/ wrote:

CreakBox VSTi 10/12/02 | Category : Emulators Creakbox VSTi exists! It is entering the final development stage and a demo should be available in november for Windows and Mac.

Kritikon

"ANy and I really mean ANY of the VSTis mentioned in this thread can be made to sound identical to a real 303 - it all depends on what the sequence is, and how much you sweep it where the frequency line is.

That sounds to me like dangerous vsti fundamentalism. I have made a short sequence with 303 samples. If you can replicate something close with a vsti in terms of sharpness, tightness and squelchiness, I will eat my asio drivers in front of the whole forum.


wave - best quality (296k)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/303sequence.wav

mp3 (68k)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/303sequence.mp3


midi (2k) Even includes filter changes with modwheel.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/303sequence.mid


good luck !!

Hey sealed,
I can't get at any of your files (just comes up with a blank page).
I even logged into Passport, and still no-go.

Sorry Brittnell, it must only be me who has access to that. My ftp server wasn't working last night when I was wanting to upload the files.

I have changed the links above, they work now. Thanks for letting me know.

sealed wrote:

Kritikon "ANy and I really mean ANY of the VSTis mentioned in this thread can be made to sound identical to a real 303 - it all depends on what the sequence is, and how much you sweep it where the frequency line is. That sounds to me like dangerous vsti fundamentalism. I have made a short sequence with 303 samples. If you can replicate something close with a vsti in terms of sharpness, tightness and squelchiness, I will eat my asio drivers in front of the whole forum. wave - best quality (296k) http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/303sequence.wav mp3 (68k) http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/303sequence.mp3 midi (2k) Even includes filter changes with modwheel. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/303sequence.mid good luck !!

Sorry....but that doesn't sound very special at all. I think as far as sampled 303s go, the Plugsound sample sounds much better. Thats just my opinion of course

I gotta say it sounds alright - but not special or particularly good.


Heard the Mp3s.




Reg

"Sorry....but that doesn't sound very special at all. I think as far as sampled 303s go, the Plugsound sample sounds much better. Thats just my opinion of course "

O.K. let me hear you reproduce that with a vsti OR the plugsound samples.

The sequences and the sounds are completely different (a 303 sample is a 303 sample at the end of the day) The idea was to use sounds I don't believe a vsti can make, that's all.

If anyone can do it, let us hear it. I will eat my asio drivers AND the complete Vsampler GUI in one sitting.

I take mild exception to people (and it has happened here a lot ) who claim that they can make vsti's sound wonderful and anyone who can't is an idiot. A hamster with two GCSE's could program a 303.

Well - if you record an actual TB-303 and burn it to CD - is that not then a digital sample????




I still think rebirth is the best - but I haven't used it in ages.


Also, FINALLY A DECENT..... Is it out yet????



Reg

The sequence wasn't meant to be great music, I did it in about 5 or 10 minutes at 12:30 am as you can see. I don't think a vsti can make a sound like that, that's all.

Sorry Sealed,

I am just being a tosser this morning - lol.

I just got a big Gas bill and I just paid the last one off - almost.

Anyone would think I was slaughtering Kurds in the basement or something.

Reg isn't short for "regime"

hehe

sealed wrote:

O.K. let me hear you reproduce that with a vsti OR the plugsound samples

Why do you think that your samples are any better than other samples of a TB-303. You are having a laugh aren't you.

As for reproducing the sound of your MP3 with a VSTi....no I don't want to try and do that. The point of the thread was to try and replicate a TB-303 with a VSTi or sample, not to try and reproduce your efforts at reproducing one with a sample.....that would be silly.

sealed wrote:

If anyone can do it, let us hear it. I will eat my asio drivers AND the complete Vsampler GUI in one sitting.

If you supplied the midi file for that sequence you used then I could have a go at using the Plugsound samples. The Plugsound engine is UVI....it is very flexible. Lets see what I can do with your sequence with Plugsounds 303 samples.

Alex, I only wote the message and put up the mp3 late at night in reply to kritikon, not as a challenge to anyone else or any software etc. It wasn't even meant to be a sly demo, that arguement pushes one of the few buttons that sets me off. Sorry about that, I've done it a lot on this forum before.


I did supply the midi file by the way

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/303sequence.mid


"Why do you think that your samples are any better than other samples of a TB-303. You are having a laugh aren't you."

I didn't imply any such thing, I doubt that the plugsound covers the whole range of a 303 that's all. I actually said the opposite. You were the one who said

"Plugsound sample sounds much better!"


Anyway, you can try the plugsound, but I doubt it will be able to do that kind of sound (not a put down or criticism) My samples can emulate a real 303 filter which is what you hear on the mp3 and THAT'S why I don't think a vsti can reproduce the sound.

OK...just gonna d/load this now. I didn't really want to turn any of this into anything but some fun. I certainly am having fun trying to make a 303 and I think its a good laugh...that's all On top of that I think a bit of programming challenge is all good for the learning process no matter what the results are like

Glad to see it staying light spirited......now me see what plugsound sampes can do with that midi

Looks like this is drifting out of hands... or, at least to a direction that's getting irrelevant to the issue.

'A good 303 VSTi' oughta replicate all the original's features and characteristics, hence stating "this and this VSTi can do a good 303 emulation" is slightly off the mark, since none so far can do it properly. Surely, one VSTi might nail down the squelchiness. Another might nail down accents. Third one might do the slides nicely. But still none does 'em all.

Using a samplecd full of individual samples... oh well. I have serious doubts about having things programmed so that one can concentrate on writing the musical parts without being concerned about trickery trying to make an uniform riff that contains a few slides and accents and later on trying to fiddle some filter action to the riff as well.

I guess I'm trying to say it's the interaction and limits of the controls in the original thing that should also be taken into consideration.

Sure, you can make people believe they are listening to the real thing, using certain hardware or software. Hell, even old things like Roland JX-3P and even Casio CZ-101 can be utilized for that But consider this: we're musicians here, the ones who are tweaking these gadgets. We're hoping for something that sounds like the real thing when we're writing music. We're hoping for something that gets us there by using the same single VSTi for every task, instead of figuring out which emulator out of a dozen might be good for the particular task, be it bassline, a few odd blips or a higher pitched howling melody...

It's about the 'user experience' side of things instead of just the 'aural result' side. You know, accents without switching into an accented version of the sample-based patch you're using... tweaking cutoff and resonance instead of looking up patches from a table and deciding which patch you should switch to when you're filter is opening up a step while your resonance is closing down a bit.

Sealed - if you really want to impress us, or show us how useful your cd is, how about writing some characteristic 303 things with it? And including details on how you achieved it in the sequencer?

If anyone still feels like posting their 303 emulation examples... listen to the last one Polartech posted. Do that - or something like that. Accents, slides, the full works

jmh

jmh wrote:

Sealed - if you really want to impress us, or show us how useful your cd is, how about writing some characteristic 303 things with it? And including details on how you achieved it in the sequencer?

I agree. I have just checked that midi file and there is no slides or accents or anything remotely trying to show off the TB-303 realism.

Anyway, here are some Plugsound samples using your midi (no slides though )

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/plugsound_Bee_Gar.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/plugsound_Chaos.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/plugsound_Rezonance.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/plugsound_Psychadelic.mp3

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/plugsound_Pills.mp3

jmh wrote:

If anyone still feels like posting their 303 emulation examples... listen to the last one Polartech posted. Do that - or something like that. Accents, slides, the full works

Well....I did try. I agree that its not that great right now but I am going to keep trying with Vaz coz if I can program it better, and I am sure it is my lack of acid baseline programming skill, I reckon the results could be really good.

http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/vaz_slides_seq_accent.mp3

"Sealed - if you really want to impress us, or show us how useful your cd is, how about writing some characteristic 303 things with it? And including details on how you achieved it in the sequencer? "


Jmh

I wasn't trying to impress you, but I couldn't in that way anyway - my samples don't do glides ( you can't sample a glide between notes - say a C# to an F if the samples are to be transposed across a keyboard). The idea of my cd is that you get hands on access to the 303 filter, you can hear that on the samples I gave.

I only put the sounds up to see if Kritikon could reproduce them on a vsti which he said he could, that's all. I personally wouldn't use anything like the sequence Alex put up, that's where musical tastes come in to play. A 303 can be a very varied different animal depending how it is used.


cheers

sealed wrote:

I personally wouldn't use anything like the sequence Alex put up, that's where musical tastes come in to play. A 303 can be a very varied different animal depending how it is used.

Neither would I use anything like that in a track of mine. Someone asked to do a loop using slides, accents and sequencer so I did one with Vaz...thats all. I did say it wasn't that great but if programmed right I think Vaz could give very realistic results.

I was thinking. I can actually use samples in Vaz. Maybe I could load some 303 samples and then program a loop using Vaz's sequencer (with slides, accents, etc.). Hmmm...that might be quite cool

Alex

Vaz is my favourite vsti, so I'm sure you'll get good results

Here are three high cutoff samples (c1, c2,c3) in case you don't have any lying around.


http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/7w411049.wav
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/7w411050.wav
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sealed/7w411051.wav

Thanks Sealed, but I had some laying around

So here we go...a 303 sample loaded into Vaz 2010 to use its sequencer, slides, accent etc.

www.artistcollaboration.com/~alex/Vaz_with_303_sample.mp3

What do you reckon.....any good?

this is one i realy like
and it`s free
here is a demo with the 2 synths
http://home.wanadoo.nl/marc.haar/303.mp3

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