1/. CM-505!

Yep, next issue (issue 61 O/S: 5th June 2003) will come complete with the latest addition to the CM Studio, CM-505. This analogue drum synth has been built by our friends from Linplug and features 12 drum specific subtractive synthesis based drum pads and built in effects! Shes a looker and a sounder to boot! Check it out:



CM-505 is compatible with any VST host application and also comes as Windows and OS9x VSTi and a carbon VSTi for OSX! Sweet! We'll release more info and full specs as that much anticipated release date edges toward us...

2/. CM Studio to go OSX

And with that bombshell, heres another! We have just come to an agreement with Muon to convert the entire CM Studio Plugins to OSX, so you can all stop sending us those emails! You can expect full OSX compatibility for CM-101, SR-202 and DS-404 by issue 65 if all goes to plan.

Enjoy!

Reds

ooohh!!

Well we know it's a woman, a red one (any relation ?) , does she speak and if so, what does she sound like ?

Nice picture by the way


cheers

She sounds like a drop of dew falling from a beach leaf and gently plopping into a mountain stream. Or something

We'll do you some demo's later this week...

Erkk!?!

Not a lotta call for dew drops and mountain streams in my sort of stuff... buuutttt... always willing to give a new toy a spin for it's money. Any chance of adapting it slightly so you can dial in an RSJ crashing into a scrap yard pile?

Jokes aside, this will fill a neat little hole in my set-up. Props to the CM team again..

HEY RED,

DEMOES, DEMOES, DEMOES, DEMOES, ...

Please

Looks promising!
Sad thing though that here we get CM on sale with some 1,5 months delay.

CM sucks!!! This is not as good as Battery!!! YOU BASTARDS!!! [I hope you'll appreciate the subtle humour here ]

Seriously, this looks great - and I bet it'll sound even better!

You'll have some demo's by wednesday, honest guv!

CM-505 will ship with over 60 preset kits (a big wad o'drums ) and over 150 MIDI files designed for the program.

I want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Red_CM wrote:

You'll have some demo's by wednesday, honest guv! CM-505 will ship with over 60 preset kits (a big wad o'drums ) and over 150 MIDI files designed for the program.

60 kits?!?!? I love you Red! [in a brotherly, appreciative way I mean :d ] - if you ever come to Cyprus for holidays or something, the beer's on me!

Who's on the pic, Tris?

eh a drum machine i was hoping for an effect maybe a delay or flanger or something but not a drum machine

Looks pretty. And Linplug stuff is usually quality. Does it do anything Drumatic doesn't?

That GUI really makes me feel depressed
But don't pay any attention to me, I am just sick in the head.

Issue 61 O/S: 5th June 2003? Great, I'll probably get it a few weeks before Christmas.

kvaksha wrote:

Who's on the pic, Tris?

azilea(or somthing)
a french pop singer


BTw CM-505 sounds very goood

Alizee

http://www.moi-alizee.com/

Is it multi-timbral? Hows it compare to Element -P?

choochcat wrote:

Looks pretty. And Linplug stuff is usually quality. Does it do anything Drumatic doesn't?

I wanted to ask that too but I forgot...

Kvaska: it seems that your question has been answered by the others!

Oh damn!!!!!

Finally when I had got it all sorted and Drumatic 2 became my synth drumkit of choice, CM/Linplug had to come and rain on my parade.

*sigh*

Now I'll have to check it out and see if I want only one or both of them.

Couldn't you have made a virtual kazoo instead?

Ooh, I cant wait. I havent bought CM in a while but this looks like a nice little device. I want to see some CM effects someday also. Too bad I have have a 1.5 month latency on CM magazine. They need better drivers in the US.

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eh a drum machine i was hoping for an effect maybe a delay or flanger or something but not a drum machine

Man, I'm happy it's a drum synth. There are loads of free flangers and delays around. And I only count 3/4 free drum synths!

I'm very curious about this one!.... If it's better then Drumatic 2, I have to make a new version of Drumatic
No serious... I rather see new drum synths then effects like flangers and stuff...

PJ

Your drum synth is dope! I love that thing. Keep up the good work e-phonic.

not to put a damper on the instrument......i subscribe to CM so regardless of what the answer is, i'll end up trying it out.....

but in advance of the release and just for my information.......lets say i own waldorf attack......which i do......is this a much needed instrument.?......what are the main differences.?. i need specs.!.

simply becuase the waldorf attack synth is in my top 5 VST list.....it ranks "godly" in my book......so this is what brings on my curiosity.

thanx for any responce......

elu wrote:

simply becuase the waldorf attack synth is in my top 5 VST list.....it ranks "godly" in my book......so this is what brings on my curiosity.

Well... there are only two decent drum synths, Attack and Drumatic. I think there's a lot of room for another drum synth VSTi, especially a non-SE one.

If it has a different sound to these two, the better. And 60 preset kits is really quite a treat

I'll be waiting for the CM issue with this one!

60 kits . This will be fun.

Caleb wrote:

Couldn't you have made a virtual kazoo instead?

Blimey that's going back a bit... I remember that thread..

ahh... here it is... memories... what a quality time that was...

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1462&highlight=kazzoo

Hey CM, perhaps this could be one for a CM1101 or summat!!

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Holy f@ckin' shmoley... it's been running for 2 bloody years... .. I gotta read this through properly...

that kazzooo keeps coming back
while it really is the virtual nose flute that is superior

Nice Isis ET... (at least that's who I assume she is)

Well fuck-me-Freddy......

I had dumped the SR202 and the CM101 for good. I'm going to go OSX as soon as Muzys will, and I hate getting used to software I know I'll have to ditch anyway...so....I'm really at a loss for words a bit...you put my two favourite VSTis back in my rack

CM 505, eh?....hmmm looks tasty. I'm into drum synthesis at the moment, so this couldn't possibly come at a better time. Looking forward to June!
Hehe... I love the colour...is this the real thing or just a scribble?

But really better still...the OSX thingy....I can't wait for autumn (kit-wise, of course)

MArco

AD80 wrote:

Ooh, I cant wait. I havent bought CM in a while but this looks like a nice little device. I want to see some CM effects someday also. Too bad I have have a 1.5 month latency on CM magazine. They need better drivers in the US.

Yes they do, and you have to get the issue with OhMyGod, and if nothing else you need Scot Solida's DS-404 banks

Bonteburg wrote:

Well fuck-me-Freddy......

Is that from Stephen King's "Dreamcatcher"? I just watched that movie and really liked it. It's true - there is such thing as a good Stephen King movie.

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CM 505, eh?....hmmm looks tasty. I'm into drum synthesis at the moment, so this couldn't possibly come at a better time. Looking forward to June!

You're doing pretty well just with a MuZynth on your hands. Why don't you design a kick drum with an Easy Edit interface etc... and then turn the whole thing into an IPG kit? Then you have a drum synth that you can distribute to Muzys users. You could even create different kits with different patch settings and have a collection. There you go Bonte - there's your homework.

Progfusion, you flatter me! Actually EVERY issue has all of the plugs each month...(but the OHMYGOD! issue may not have yet reached all corners of the globe)

Here are some short MP3 demos of CM-505; total drum mayhem!

ftp://ftp.futurenet.co.uk/Pub/computermusic/cm505/mp3/505_1.mp3
ftp://ftp.futurenet.co.uk/Pub/computermusic/cm505/mp3/505_2.mp3
ftp://ftp.futurenet.co.uk/Pub/computermusic/cm505/mp3/505_3.mp3
ftp://ftp.futurenet.co.uk/Pub/computermusic/cm505/mp3/505_4.mp3
ftp://ftp.futurenet.co.uk/Pub/computermusic/cm505/mp3/505_5.mp3

All of these samples are the 505 completely raw with no effects whatsoever. They have all been created in Computer Muzys and exported directly from there, taken into Wavelab 4 and converted to MP3. Thats it. No processing nowt, its all raw 505. The loops and sounds themselves are taken from the 64 presets that come supplied with 505, and a few of the 140 MIDI files that will acompany the first release. The esteemed Mr Solida is currently working on a demo that will give you an idea of just how 505 fits into a song, expect to see that later tonight.

Some more specs:

1/. 12 drum pads, each with specific synthesis parameters pertinent to that drum type, such as depth, decay and shape. You can see from the grab on page one which drum pads relate to which drum.

2/. Drums are laid out in a logical GM soundset.

3/. Built in master bitcrusher and distortion (filthy! )

4/. Six mono and two stereo outs, to which any pad can be routed.

5/. Special Linplug ECS mode for quickly assigning MIDI controllers to CM-505 parameters.

6/. Hi-Hat Choke control.

7/. Logical Layout, very quick to get to get to grips with but very deep once you do. Never synthesised drums before? 505 will lead the way...

Enjoy!

R

Interesting stuff! By any chance do any of the snare drums actually sound like snare drums? (None of the above samples do.) If so, could you post some mp3's of them?

Thanks,
-cnegrad

Scot actually commented to me this very morning just how close to an acoustic snare you can get the snare pad to sound. I guess Scot will demonstrate with his tune due out tonight!

Caleb, if you liked the movie, you should read the book. I read it a while back and loved it - it became one of my favorite books. the movie is good, but it doesn't give it justice...

no bounce no play...

I am pretty excited about this thing.... I can't wait to get home and hear the demos

The 1.5 month latency does suck though

My local bookstore has the Lap it up! issue on the stand still

While the overall focus is on synthesis (no samples), you can get remarkably close to an acoustic snare with the Snare 2 pad seen in the picture. It has a unique synthesis algorithm I have not before seen anywhere. Using it, you can come darn close to the real deal (failing that, you can also fire up the SR-202). There will be some more standard "rock snares" among the presets it comes with...

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Who's on the pic, Tris? _________________ In a Tree by the Brook there's a Kvaksha who sings Hear it at http://stage.vitaminic.com/kvaksha http://kvaksha.iuma.com

Yeah cute girl... I would wonder if it was you but since girls don't make electronic music I guess it's not.

Hah! Caleb....

It's indeed from Dreamcatcher (I'm reading the book at the moment, mind)
And what a cool book it is.
I'm only on page 200 or so, so don't give away anything. It's extremely exciting and keeps me turing the pages. King has always been my favourite popular writer, especially as I always get the english paperbacks (self education) and he just has a way of mixing the mundane with the evil like nobody else.
Meaning Stephen King's novels are the place where ordinary Americans eat at Wendy's and get in their car only to see it's being haunted by poltergeists. I like that mixture a lot.
I'll wager that two thirds of the English I speak/read/understand has its origins in some Stephen King tome or other.

Dreamcatcher is cool, I'm going to see the film too.
Despite of all the tragical things going on though, I couldn't help laughing heartily for pages on end about the graphic descriptions of McCarthy's bowel problems.... .... cruel, but weirdly funny.
I suspect Monsieur King himself had a jolly good laugh every now and then.

Too right about the movie adaptations though. I once made a rule of thumb for myself regarding that:

Made for TV: Yuck.

Made for the sceen: Yummy.

Masterpieces like The Shining, Pet Sematary or Misery prove that rule as well as artistical atrocities like Christine, It, or...ergghh.. The Stand.


Muzynth: Too right, Caleb. I guess it was good old gear lust taking over there... but I'll buy the issue anyway, appreciating a new workflow every now and then.
Even so, Muzys has replaced a lot of my other kit, so CM 505 may well turn out to be only an episode.

I designed an unbelievable kick drum yesterday, modyfying the Basd-Aca-preset, and I'm planning to make it part of my latest ..tadaa.. "release"...what a word.... .
Don't know what everybody else will think about the kick, but it certainly blew me away.
Put it on top of your mix, and it will bang everything else away without so much as touching the overall dynamics. I may be imagining this, but I guess no drum sample could have given me that. Fuck me Freddy.


Bang,
-> exit: Ramble

marco

cnegrad wrote:

Interesting stuff! By any chance do any of the snare drums actually sound like snare drums? (None of the above samples do.) Thanks, -cnegrad

Not to spark a flame here but... Who’d want a drum synth to produce anything even remotely sounding as a real snare? I understand the sportive aspect though...trying to get that snare right.

Marco

cnegrad wrote:

Who’d want a drum synth to produce anything even remotely sounding as a real snare?

Bonteburg,

Interestingly, my original post never used the word "real" or "acoustic", though that's how others seem to have interpreted it. Actually I was wondering if this new vsti had any snare drums that sounded more like "conventional drum-machine snare drums", with a little bit of a high-end component to it.

All the provided mp3 demos have something that sounds more like a tom-tom playing the snare drum part.

why kick me..... you're right..... That's how myths start I reckon.

The brain is a funny organ.



And you're right too...it's sound very synthy indeed, nothing like the technoid bang you get from a 909 snare... but to answer your original question, I think it's a thing of carefull programming.
Judging from the mp3s I think you should be able to imitate just about any vintage drum machine with it ....except for the 909 hats and cymbals of course: interestingly enough, Roland used samples themselves back in 1983.

Marco

'except for the 909 hats and cymbals of course: interestingly enough, Roland used samples themselves back in 1983.

now then..is that true...cos in my waldorf attack manual they say that noone apart from a few that worked for roland back then, actually know how these sounds where programmed?

According to "Vintage Synthesizers," by Vail:

"However, one of the 909's 11 percussion sounds--the crash cymbal--was sampled..."

hmm..what a cool little mystery here....
I thought there were four samples: Both cymbals, both hats.

I tried to get the open hat right for hours on end, all I got was a headache.

Manytone, you're lurking... opinions on the 909 mystery please..

Marco

The cymbals and hats in the 909 are all (lo-fi, somewhat crunchy, 8-bit... don't know the samplerate) samples. It's part of their character... in particular, the very short, unrealistic crash sample... that'll be lack of sample memory then

Bingo !!
That's what i woulda said
Paul

Is this only offered with the magazine?

It's kinda hard to get, to say nothing of expensive, in the U.S.

CM needs to get a U.S. edition going.

-S.

oh..i was mistaken...ive just checked in the manual for the waldorf attack and it was the '808 side stick' thats got them baffled....

quote from manual '...how roland did it is something only they and maybe a handful of people know.If you happen to be one of these people, let us know'

...hmmm...interesting..like a good spy novel

Sleek Month wrote:

Is this only offered with the magazine? It's kinda hard to get, to say nothing of expensive, in the U.S. CM needs to get a U.S. edition going. -S.

that would be a good idea

we get it here in Canada just fine... Aren't we the same distance, then?
Seriously though, I wouldn't want to read a "North Americanized" version, but maybe some suplemental insert telling me where I can get some cool gear, an' shit! Little hard for me to pop over to London to visit the shops!

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quote from manual '...how roland did it is something only they and maybe a handful of people know.If you happen to be one of these people, let us know'

Why dont they open up an 808 and look at the circuit?
I'm sure there are people who can say how it's done by just analizing the circuit.

PJ

808-style cymbals and hi hats can be simulated very well by ring modulating a bunch of variously-tuned square waves and passing the result through a high pass filter. (I've got a Reaktor ensemble that illustrates this very well).

With the 909 it's a very different matter though. They were indeed sampled, but there's a particularly odd way in which Roland implemented the variable decay. There was a superb installment in "Synth Secrets" (Sound on Sound) a few months back, if anyone is curious I'll go dig it out.

Cheers
Dave

ah hell.... the 909 hats and cymbals are very ugly after all
including the bassdrum .. some blind professor kicked the paddle to the drum and the professor had a beat. The only reason the 909 became popular is because multitudes have no taste. And the device was reasonabaly cheap so the black homo`s in chicago could affort them.

The lin drum .. now that was a good drum machine

e-phonic wrote:

Quote: quote from manual '...how roland did it is something only they and maybe a handful of people know.If you happen to be one of these people, let us know' Why dont they open up an 808 and look at the circuit? I'm sure there are people who can say how it's done by just analizing the circuit. PJ

ive got no idea

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I suspect Monsieur King himself had a jolly good laugh every now and then.

The eeriest and also the most lovable feeling I get when reading King is when I hear his emotions and thoughts in my head... may sound weird, but I've read so much King that I feel like I know the guy.

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Too right about the movie adaptations though. I once made a rule of thumb for myself regarding that: Made for TV: Yuck. Made for the sceen: Yummy. Masterpieces like The Shining, Pet Sematary or Misery prove that rule as well as artistical atrocities like Christine, It, or...ergghh.. The Stand.

Good rules - But you left out "the Rita Hayworth" film, Carrie and Stand by Me! As well as Tommyknockers

...Sorry about offtopicing, but he is the King.

Ontopic @ RED_CM and the whole "CM freeware team":

I didn't see the CM issue with OHMYGOD here in Finland at all I guess it was sold out or something, which is a mighty accomplishment when you consider the spicy price. Meaning only that I have to wait for the next one.

But to the point - I chose CM Muzys as my downgrade path from sequencer warezty. Partly encouraged by the great "Reformation" topic, I finally decided to do the right thing and abandon my Zoneberg Crackbase SX, and after trying CM Muzys I found out that it does everything I need and even a bit more. I've preferred freeware synths since the beginning, but now the host side is catered as well, and I can start saving for Muzys 3 (or Orion Pro, they're quite close).

Thank you.

pakana wrote:

But to the point - I chose CM Muzys as my downgrade path from sequencer warezty. Partly encouraged by the great "Reformation" topic, I finally decided to do the right thing and abandon my Zoneberg Crackbase SX, and after trying CM Muzys I found out that it does everything I need and even a bit more. I've preferred freeware synths since the beginning, but now the host side is catered as well, and I can start saving for Muzys 3 (or Orion Pro, they're quite close). Thank you.

Thanks, Pakana; its peeps like you that make it all worthwhile

R

pakana wrote:

But to the point - I chose CM Muzys as my downgrade path from sequencer warezty. Partly encouraged by the great "Reformation" topic, I finally decided to do the right thing and abandon my Zoneberg Crackbase SX, and after trying CM Muzys I found out that it does everything I need and even a bit more. I've preferred freeware synths since the beginning, but now the host side is catered as well, and I can start saving for Muzys 3 (or Orion Pro, they're quite close).

That is really great to read.

I know people who have cracked copies of sequencers and it makes me mad to see unnecessary stealing when quality products are around that are free or very affordable.

In any case, I really hope you enjoy CMuzys. A jump up into Muzys 3 may be a great option if you can afford it and you're right, Orion is an impressive package as well.

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Well... there are only two decent drum synths, Attack and Drumatic. I think there's a lot of room for another drum synth VSTi, especially a non-SE one.

I wonder how FL Studio + DrumSynth Live rates? I'm not terribly interested in drum synths in general, but I thought I'd mention it as an option.

Fruity DrumSynth Live! is really awesome.

It takes a little getting used to because of all the different stuff it can do, but it's really quite cool.

The best part about it is the automation!

Well, I cannot program a drum machine for toffee. What I like are pre programmed loops and fills. So, am I correct in thinking that with this new toy from CM, the midi patterns will provide some patterns/loops/fiils, and then I can edit the sounds they produce? If so I am interested big time.

By the way, its raining bloody hard in the north of Scotland tonight!