I got today from Wall this short mp3 http://www.phreque.com/~thewall/MP3/TAG_Happy_Chording.mp3

as demo for next Dash VSTi http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20148

Good job Wall, I love it!

i cant believe this thread was started a year ago and no-one has replied to it yet

slainte rob

erm ...

slainte rob

Because it sounds rather naff. Unless it's so bad, that it makes no sense why more people didn't goof on it. I've heard more realistic guitar emulations the last time I watched Beavis and Butthead.

And what's with those drums?

hmmmm.....I agree - not a very realistic guitar sound.

I don't really understand the number of guitar sims coming out recently
Anyone who wants a truly realistic guitar sound would be into guitars surely? It's not as though guitars are that expensive that a guitar VSTi is a must have thing.

And for anyone like me who only occasionally would try to simulate a guitar sound through synths (for things like reggae or dub) then it's not difficult to get a bland string type patch on almost any subtractive synth (saw wave, filtered with a short plucky decay) - it's all in the amp sims and distortion/overdrive FX that make a guitar sound IMO. And you can make an amp emulation with many valve plugins and some simple Eq.

Most guitar sounds depend heavily on the FX - when you consider that alot of guitar FX boxes use multiFX - maybe up to 5 or 6 FX chained together - we can all do this with separate FX plugins - mostly with freebies.

I'm not saying I can sequence a truly realistic simulation of a guitar player - that inlvolves a huge amount of pitch bending, velocity modulating, tremeloing, delaying each note in a chord and hard work - but anyone that wanted to get into that much detail - they'd be a guitarist wouldn't they?

But for simple strummed chords - I'll stick to bog-standard synths and lots of FX and Eq thanks.

forget the word guitar and look at the word abstract

Hmm.. It's not abstract - it's Rock. And it doesn't sound like a guitar either

There are some physical modelled guitars which come close... But not abstract guitar. Mostly the Korg and Yamaha models (and maybe the Nord G2). Revitar was the best VSTi one I've heard, or the Acoustring Reaktor ensemble. But all of the models are just way to simple and lack the grit and complexity of the real thing. The big libraries come close, like Pure Guitars and Quantum Leap Guitar and Bass, but require heavy programming. Real Guitar is pretty accurate, although the string bends are awful and you're locked in to using the samples as Musiclab intended.

I understand that the concept of 'Abstract Guitar' was to 'bend reality'. But if its ability to 'emulate reality' was that bad, how could it even begin?

Another one of those "Whatever happened to..." synths that everyone raved about for a few months, like TuBiLeSax. Liqih should stick to the more abstract stuff, which he excels in.

tubilesax is great

and what i meant was rather than looking at it as a guitar emulation(yes i know this mp3 was goin for that)think of it as a different beast altogether

to be honest i think liqih should just call it the abstract as i do agree its naff all like a guitar

vurt wrote:

forget the word guitar and look at the word abstract

im with vurt on this one ...

... if i want a more realistic guitar sound ill reach for slayer or some samples ...

... but for vaguely-plucked-string-like-but-not-based-in-this-reality sounds ill go for this most times ...

... who cares if its a 'forgotten' synth if it stills works well for the use you put it to ???

slainte rob

OK, whatever... Both Tubilesax and Abstract Guitar just sound horrid to me and that's that. I'm not too keen on saxophones anyway, unless they are played *really* well. But Tubilesax sounds nothing like a badly played saxophone either. It just sounds awful. Same with Abstract Guitar... There are various plucked physical models I have, but by far the least pretty to my ears is AG.

Each to their own though... Maybe Liqih will surprise me with my long-awaited Bwaath thynth?