| Author | Topic: Bass Station released--no mp3s | |||||||||
| skyfirered | Posted: 11th August 2003 16:32 | |||||||||
The Novation Bass Station is released--and again, just like V-station, no mp3s of the VSTi to listen to.
I would think that no demos + no mp3s would equal no sale, but perhaps Novation can survive on name alone? Or does everyone trot on down to the local over-priced, under-staffed music gear chain for a demo? Not that I need a Bass Station, but I'm quite curious how it sounds. I have a thing for bass sounds . . . | ||||||||||
| MC J | Posted: 11th August 2003 16:50 | |||||||||
I've been waiting to hear this too.. look like there's now a demo version available
http://www.novationmusic.com/nov_route/docs/prods/bass_stat_plug/bstat ion_demo.htm also a V-Station demo : http://www.novationmusic.com/nov_route/docs/prods/vstation/vstation_de mo.htm | ||||||||||
| skyfirered | Posted: 11th August 2003 17:27 | |||||||||
Thanks MC J. Looks like the 116 degree heat in Phoenix yesterday (a record for this time of year, although it gets hotter in June and July) did a number on my head. | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 11th August 2003 18:43 | |||||||||
wow
I just tried the bass station demo if i had to describe this synth in one word it would have to be "uninspiring" it has a very clear sound to it.. but cant really do a whole lot.. Honestly, I'd chose Triangle II over this thing. Not that im knocking on Novation for sticking their necks out there.. but.. I just dont like this one.. I think they should have gone the FM7 route.. and done something that would playback original BASS Station patches but also would do a lot more. which this doesnt. and not that i was expecting this synth to be anything major... but yeah.. its still (imo) a weak product from a major company.. I hope korg doesnt fall on their faces with their blast-from-the-past entries.. | ||||||||||
| al_iguana | Posted: 11th August 2003 19:05 | |||||||||
i have to agree. although its a quality release, stable, good looking and uses 0% cpu, the price tag is offputting - genuine Novation or not. i mean, for $100 LESS you can get TauPro....
it will go down well with current bass-station owners i think, but as Vit said, its just not inspiring enough for people weaned on stuff like z3ta. they should release this as a $30-$40 "retro" vsti. just my 2c | ||||||||||
| Rabid | Posted: 11th August 2003 20:26 | |||||||||
I just picked up The Beast last week. Usually I get aggravated when a purchase is closely followed by something newer and better. So, I take it that this time I don't have to worry?
Robert | ||||||||||
| valley | Posted: 11th August 2003 20:46 | |||||||||
Frankly I was never that great a fan of the hardware Bass Station.
It sounded great at first but I rapidly found I had no real use for it. It does bread and butter bass sounds OK, but then so did my JV1080, and whilst you could coax some more interesting sounds out of it, they never real had a great deal of presence. I didn't rate the Drum Station either come to that. The Supernova was a far better piece of kit... | ||||||||||
| mojogigolo | Posted: 11th August 2003 20:52 | |||||||||
the demo seems ok, but it doesnt seem to stack up against the v station too well. | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 11th August 2003 23:00 | |||||||||
I cant believe they released this thing. The hardware was crap, the V-Station is dissapointing, and the market is already saturated with this type of soft synth.
Oh well, some mugs will buy it just cos of the name | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 11th August 2003 23:14 | |||||||||
And what the fuck does this mean?
Intuitive ADSR envelopes Desperate to describe this synth or what? | ||||||||||
| Morris | Posted: 11th August 2003 23:47 | |||||||||
It is funny that there are people jerking off the V-Station but the are using it in one of their latest tracks | ||||||||||
| TrekStar | Posted: 11th August 2003 23:55 | |||||||||
This fading every 3 sec SUXX! | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 00:01 | |||||||||
Yep, that fading makes if virtually impossible to audition. Having just tried the demo, i can safely say its exacly how i imagined it to sound. 100 "Stunning" Sounds carefully crafted from the Novation factory I urge everyone to not waste their money on this rubbish. | ||||||||||
| Funkybot | Posted: 12th August 2003 00:05 | |||||||||
C'mon I just had a quick go at the V-Station, and while it's feature set isn't huge for a modern virtual analog softsynth (the arp is nice, and FXs are ok), you have to admit it sounds the business. It's insanely clear with no alaising I've heard yet, the filter is amazing for software, and the arp is fun as hell. For a small VA softsynth it's actually quite amazing when you disregard the price, no matter who makes it. Now if someone said it sounds a bit clinical, I may have had to concede that point to them. I had a really dirty distorted patch I had created in P1 a while back and I couldn't for the life of me replicate it in the V-Station demo, it just didn't have the balls. Though there was a really nice string sound I got in the V-Station that just didn't sound quite the same in P1 too. Too bad the V-Station is so pricy, but if I had the cash I'd pick it up, especially if the music I was making was geared towards modern pop/dance (where it seems to excel).
On a side note though, you have to give Novation respect for the amount of updates the V-Station has gotten already. I was expecting them to work a bit more like Stienberg (at least in regards to their softsynths) where you get a main release and maybe a bug fix or two after several months, leaving many bugs unadressed. On the other hand it looks like Novation has actually been working hard to get the V-Station working well, as I saw on the news page that they just released version 1.2. That has to give potential customers some confidence that they're not going to get stuck with buggy software, so kudos to Novation there. Now if they'd drop the price a bit more, and release something a bit bigger, everyone would be happy. Oh and as to the Bass Station, I've never had any interest in it's hardware let alone the software, and wouldn't even install the demo if it came free with my next pack of smokes [see, I'm not totally supporting Novation or even off topic | ||||||||||
| baggio | Posted: 12th August 2003 00:54 | |||||||||
I still do not understand the point of this release especially at the price range. Having just tried the demo it sounds like a soft synth from 2-3 years ago with an uninspiring sound set - plus the there is already a better bass station for free - triangle.
It is my understanding, although I could be wrong I think Novation have missed the whole point of the what a soft synth should be with this release. | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 01:07 | |||||||||
Actually, as crap as this synth is, i think Novation have got a seller on their hands. A lot of hardware seems to be making its way into the soft realm now, and with big names like Yamaha, Korg, Novation etc, its gonna end up like a fashion show in a council estate. All the kids want to be seen with a flash label You will soon be reading in magazines about artist x who is using the Bass Staion, and telling you how he would never go back to his hardware again...yawn. Expect a lot of this shit to be flying about in the mags, but dont get sucked in. A big name doesnt gaurantee quality. This synth is rubbish, the hardware was rubbish, and there is no place in the market for this kind of lazy, exploitive and over priced trash If you want to spend that kind of money, get your self over to Muon or rgcAudio and buy a synth that you will actually use for more than 5 minutes. | ||||||||||
| baggio | Posted: 12th August 2003 01:13 | |||||||||
I never said it wouldn't sell I just said it is a pointless release | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 01:15 | |||||||||
so why did you buy V-station if you dont like it? | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 01:22 | |||||||||
Word | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 01:27 | |||||||||
I said it was dissapointing, i thought it would be a lot better. I never tried the hard version, but i did own the hard Bass Staion, and i cannot understand why this was released after the V-Staion (or at all IMHO) A better strategy would have been to release the Bass Station for a reasonable sum, equally to its competitors, and then release the V-Station. | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 01:35 | |||||||||
okay but that doesnt make any sense you had a bass station and got a refund on it.. because you didnt like it.. if you didnt like the bass station... why did you go out and buy a $250 novation vsti w/o actually using it? and esp with a bad experience with novation in the past... then AFTER THE FACT you get it and find it disappointing.. ??? hmm | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 01:49 | |||||||||
It gets even better this is meant to be a selling point???? Monophonic! | ||||||||||
| overflow | Posted: 12th August 2003 01:56 | |||||||||
Cmon it's bass synth o. | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 02:01 | |||||||||
I didnt have a bad experience with Novation, i just didnt like the cheap plastic build and knobs that fall off after ten minutes! At the time, about 93/94? it was just the thing i was looking for, 303 bass and MIDI for less than a retro fit 303. But in the end i went back to my trusty SH101. The Bass Station was the last piece of hardware i bought. I gave up synths for a while, sold them all and played guitars and drums in a crap band for fun. Finally got back into it all about 6 years ago on an Amiga and then PC. Now i can get Crystal, Triangle2, Tau etc all for free, and i see synths like this coming out, and i just have to laugh. You never bought anything without demo-ing it first? NI dont realease demos until months after releases, all their customers wrong to buy first? Possibly, but we all make mistakes and get sucked in by hype. Now, i'll leave this thread to let others talk about the Bass Station | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 02:11 | |||||||||
Its also £100 UK. You get the pleasure of playing one note at a time for £100. | ||||||||||
| baggio | Posted: 12th August 2003 02:16 | |||||||||
My problem with this synth is that you can pick up a pro-53 for around the same price which can do everything this synth can and more. | ||||||||||
| nuffink | Posted: 12th August 2003 02:29 | |||||||||
SOS readers ads. | ||||||||||
| anon | Posted: 12th August 2003 02:39 | |||||||||
I think your all being to hard on this, I thought the V Station was very weak I said so at the time, I have tried to get somthing inspiring out of it but I can't, I really think it's crap, but everyone else here seemed to like it, some even rating it highly,
now the BassStation is out and I think it is WAY WAY better than the V Station, it has a much more musical sound, I actually Like it, It doesn't sound the same as the real thing tho, as they claim, alltho some sounds come close, but it has somthing about it all it's own, strange tho that everyone here so far says they don't like it, but likes the V Station, what do you like about the V Station???? to me it sounds Small, and flat, totally uninspiring, Am I going mad. | ||||||||||
| CypherOne | Posted: 12th August 2003 02:45 | |||||||||
I don't like either of these products, but then I'm speaking from the best possible stance - I haven't tried either of them IMHO - neither is particularly exciting, otherwise I would have been tempted to try demos etc. Let's see, a monophonic bass synth and a VA lead synth, woohoo how exciting. Yeah, that would really compliment the half a dozen or so oh so very similar products I already own. | ||||||||||
| sealed | Posted: 12th August 2003 02:46 | |||||||||
I am annoyed that it doesn't have an uninstall option despite sticking stuff in the registry.
This is from the full page advertisement, sorry reproduction of the press release on KVR "Two Oscillators that have been carefully modelled to preserve the precise tonal character of the classic sawtooth and square waveforms of the original instruments. " Straight bare faced lies really. The only thing this has in common with the original is that it was a rip off too. Truly dreadful. Having said that, the original sounds infinitely better, now costs the same price and doesn't use any cpu, no contest. | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 02:51 | |||||||||
It does, you have to double click the installer, and it gives you a 'remove' option. Believe me, i 've done it | ||||||||||
| sealed | Posted: 12th August 2003 02:55 | |||||||||
Thanks K, unfortunately I deleted the installer after I using it which is normal for me with a demo. | ||||||||||
| justthebassplayer | Posted: 12th August 2003 04:55 | |||||||||
You can pick a hardware basstation up for about £100 second hand cant you?
Personally I liked the basstation. Had one for a few years and it was fine. Cant see why it gets so much slagging. Then again you see them in loads of studios and on stage. | ||||||||||
| sealed | Posted: 12th August 2003 06:05 | |||||||||
The problem with the original bass station is that it cost £350 or £400 for a very shoddy piece of hardware. It was advertised as a 303 replacement and a lot more. From what I remember it was very thin sounding .
I believe Novation's main product at the time was actually the horrible little keyboard they sold as a midi controller. I think it was the first analogue synth to respond to standard midi controllers though and provided novation with the money to develop the supernova. | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 06:34 | |||||||||
Yes, thats what I'd call a bad experience.
nope.. nothing of value. See I dont have a lot of money to blow.. so if its something relatively expensive.. I wait. but anyways.. I just thought your situation was weird.. and a bit funny.. if only slightly. | ||||||||||
| musical | Posted: 12th August 2003 06:37 | |||||||||
Just wanted to say that Novation's pricing policy looks a bit interesting at the moment. It would cost over £225 for Bass Station and V-station VSTi's, but over at Digital Village you can buy a KS4 hardware synth for £399 - which gives you a hardware controller with loads of knobs and sliders, loads of new capabilities over and above the V/K-station engine, a keyboard with aftertouch, etc. The KS-4 is a nice synth, and at £400 it is a steal. I really like its performance patches and arpegiattor, the new waveforms, filters, etc. It is capable of a lot of sounds the V-station is not, and it is four part multi-timbral and sixteen-note polyphonic without putting any load on your PC.
Normally I think virtual is a much better route, but if you like the Novation sound and were considering say the V-Station/Bass Station and the Remote 25 I would have to say the KS4 at £399 is a much better option. It sounds much better too frankly. | ||||||||||
| Bruce Bartlett | Posted: 12th August 2003 06:40 | |||||||||
It means that it doesn't have the unintuitive dual-duty ADSR knobs of the original hardware -- where the filter and amp have seperate envelopes, but share the same knobs, so you have to toggle between them with a switch, and you can't tell which is set to what by looking. | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 06:56 | |||||||||
Bought the synth, tried it out for a week, didnt like it, took it back, full refund. Bad experience? I dont think so.
Meaning?
No need to apologise. I dont want to do anything, man, but i can be sure that a lot of ppl will fall into that category, like it or not.
What situation would that be? Am i missing something here? | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:05 | |||||||||
well it surely wasnt a POSITIVE experience.. otherwise you'd have kept it. so guess again
meaning... $250 synthesizers for one.. maybe ill try the new chicken sandwich on the menu ... not because theres hype behind it
mm hmm im sure.. just not everyone.. as you initially alluded to.
ahh temporary unawareness... too much booze and pills for you man. lay off the stuff before you become another ozzie | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:14 | |||||||||
Never spent that much on a soft synth in my life. Guess again, man
you sure you can afford that, man? | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:21 | |||||||||
Actually, what i said was:
Some, not all | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:24 | |||||||||
ts how much it retails for... so ? hmmmmm.... would you rather me call you girl?
yeap im sure | ||||||||||
| skyfirered | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:25 | |||||||||
I hear you--I'm not overly fond of the Bass Station demo. I love Triangle II--if this synth cost money, I'd have bought it by now. I like Free Alpha alot too because of the modulation possibilities, but something about TII keeps me going back again and again. The fact that T2 is free is absolutely astounding. I tried the V-Station demo as well. I was surprised to find that, head to head, I preferred the sound of the hardware Supernova to the V-Station. I thought the V-Station used their new-fangled liquid oscillators and such? I had forgotten how cool the Supernova can sound--I'm glad I hooked it up again! | ||||||||||
| valley | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:26 | |||||||||
I think this thread needs some kittens..... | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:27 | |||||||||
try again...
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| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:30 | |||||||||
yeahh.. i've lately really been getting into Triangle2.. its such a nice sounding synth too bad it doesnt actually have a triangle waveform | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:38 | |||||||||
Ouch, bordering on a scathing accusation I didnt buy z3ta+ or Pentagon, ask Rene where i got them. I didnt buy Orion Platinum, ask Rich where i got it? I didnt buy daAlfa, daHornet, Combosister, ask William where i got them. I didnt buy PlatsicZ, Beast or QuadraSID, ask Micheal where i got then from. I didnt buy Tau Pro or Tau2, ask Dave where i got them from. Shall i continue? | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:42 | |||||||||
well.. why would I do that when you are right here? but anyways.. im not asking about those peices of software.. im talking about V-station. | ||||||||||
| skyfirered | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:51 | |||||||||
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| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:53 | |||||||||
Cant see the wood for the trees eh? And as this thread is about the Bass Station, not the V-Staion, i fear you may be stumbling OT, so i'll leave you to it. | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:54 | |||||||||
yeah.. baby got back. *wicky, wicky* | ||||||||||
| RegPhoenix | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:55 | |||||||||
Tried the Bass Station demo this afternoon.
What a bag of wank. Reg | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:57 | |||||||||
Krim worried about topics going ot? but okay man.. back out while you havent dug yourself in too deep | ||||||||||
| emerald tablet | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:58 | |||||||||
ah dave .... don`t tell me you did what i think you did you filthy whore .... so .... lot`s of beta testing for you ... how long from now untill the babys there pal ? | ||||||||||
| skyfirered | Posted: 12th August 2003 07:59 | |||||||||
Thanks, you just saved me some serious aggravation! | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 08:04 | |||||||||
Most, but not all Betas, some are 'gifts' for demos and stuff. Babys doin well, should be here in early December, just in time to fuck up my xmas | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 08:06 | |||||||||
No way Reg, that beast is one hell of a synth. Are you sure you got the right file? | ||||||||||
| emerald tablet | Posted: 12th August 2003 08:12 | |||||||||
we expect a baby sound bank by then we can all empathize with you by triggering it with a time clock put to 3 o clock each night no cool tracks from krim in December ... he will be cleaning dirty poopoo and peepee diapers ...thats a impressive vsti listing krim ... no wonder your songs are getting so cool lately | ||||||||||
| RegPhoenix | Posted: 12th August 2003 08:17 | |||||||||
It's almost as dreadful as the Dash Synthesis stuff. Reg | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 08:22 | |||||||||
I didnt include the ones i actually bought either (Scorpion, Hydra, JunoX2 etc) but to be honest, i rarely use any of them. The ones in my host are my main weapons | ||||||||||
| Ned Bouhalassa | Posted: 12th August 2003 09:59 | |||||||||
I just tried the Bass Station as well, and I really don't understand why they didn't try to make it more than what it is (boring). As it stands, I much prefer Junglist (now Hydra), which is a lot less expensive. Too bad. OTOH, I really like the V-Station demo! | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 11:06 | |||||||||
Ned, everytime i look at your pic, i keep thinking of that bloke from M People.....Shovel or something, plays the bongos and that | ||||||||||
| Ned Bouhalassa | Posted: 12th August 2003 11:27 | |||||||||
No way, man, I'm a bass player:
![]() (with a wig on) | ||||||||||
| pough | Posted: 12th August 2003 11:30 | |||||||||
Nice pornographic icon, Ned! | ||||||||||
| TennesseeVic | Posted: 12th August 2003 12:12 | |||||||||
A sawtooth and a square wave. Oh joy. Isn't that a bit like a car carefully preserving the spring suspension of the original Model T? V. | ||||||||||
| Teksonik | Posted: 12th August 2003 12:43 | |||||||||
Well I just had to try the demo because I couldn't believe it was that bad and I must say this is a fantastic sounding $10.00 synth.But wait it's $ 157.00us??? They can not be serious?!? Don't companies do market research anymore? The only thing that will sell this dog is the Novation name and only to those who don't have a clue what can be had for free.Please get a grip Novation. EDIT:I just saw this "selling point" on the front page news- "Monophonic!" I'm wetting my knickers laughing | ||||||||||
| Kriminal | Posted: 12th August 2003 12:47 | |||||||||
Like this? ![]() | ||||||||||
| al_iguana | Posted: 12th August 2003 12:52 | |||||||||
yeah, before it gets slagged to hell, i have to say it sounds nice and uses no cpu, so i WOULD use it. no question...
......if it was $10 or lower no way i'm paying that amount of cash for something i could make in synthedit. i wonder if anyone from Novation is keeping an eye on this thread? if so - please take a look at Muon's website. they're your competition as far as this synth goes, and as such there is no contest. so either up the spec or lower the price. maybe i'll just wait until its a freebie on the Computer Music coverdisk in a couple of months | ||||||||||
| Teksonik | Posted: 12th August 2003 13:05 | |||||||||
I just e-mailed sales@novationmusic.com and invited them to check out this thread.Not to be mean but to hopefully educate them that they aren't going to sell a lot of BassStations to softsynth pros like the members of KVR.You can't sell Fords at Ferrari prices.The sad thing is that people who don't know better will pay full price for a synth that could be replaced by freeware just because of the name.Maybe that is their marketing strategy-dupe the unknowing but I can't think this will lead to long term sucess in the softsynth field. Sorry I'm not normally this much of an a**hole but once in a while the mood strikes | ||||||||||
| pough | Posted: 12th August 2003 13:17 | |||||||||
I doubt they're trying to "dupe" anybody. They're used to making hardware synths. It's quite likely they don't know much about softsynths and are assuming that whatever they do will be amazing and will also be perceived as such. I mean, how could Novation not kick VST ass? The question is rhetorical, but unfortunately for them the answer is, apparently, "easily." | ||||||||||
| Ned Bouhalassa | Posted: 12th August 2003 13:17 | |||||||||
Hey Tek, I don't think you're being an *sshole in this case. Novation is very new at this softsynth game. They struck a home-run with their first try and may think that it's going to be the same from now on. It's up to us to show them otherwise! | ||||||||||
| Ned Bouhalassa | Posted: 12th August 2003 13:20 | |||||||||
Hey Pough, same idea, same time! Aren't you supposed to be 3 hours behind me or something?... | ||||||||||
| pough | Posted: 12th August 2003 13:22 | |||||||||
Supposed to be, yes. | ||||||||||
| djones | Posted: 12th August 2003 14:06 | |||||||||
Take your pick: Albino or bass station I'd go for Albino I hope novation will bring a Vst version of the supernova on the market. | ||||||||||
| VitaminD | Posted: 12th August 2003 15:19 | |||||||||
yeah but could you predict how much a beast like that would cost | ||||||||||
| MC J | Posted: 13th August 2003 01:41 | |||||||||
I've got both a bass-station keyboard and a bass-station rack knocking around here so I was wanting to hear this to see how it matched up against them..
Tried it last night and I think Novation have not done a bad job at emulating the sound of the original unit. Although the GUI is presented as the keyboard, the features are those of the rack version which had more presets (the keyboard only had 7!) and things like osc sync, LFO sync and a few other bits and pieces. It's not a 100% perfect emulation but I did a quick A/B through the presets against my hardware rack and I'd say in most cases it's pretty convincing.. I tried a few sounds in a track with a bit of FX processing thrown in and got some cool results (fading aside!). I guess if you liked the original, you'll probably like this but as to the price, I agree it's too much money... | ||||||||||
| warbug | Posted: 14th August 2003 13:11 | |||||||||
yea i just tried the demo of the bass station...im not impressed especially with that price tag. i have junglist/hydra much wider variety of sounds...and if you dont like hydra i would suggest the oddity...basss station cant touch either of them. | ||||||||||
| S_A_P | Posted: 14th August 2003 13:57 | |||||||||
I rather enjoyed how both v station and bas station sounded, and 4 years ago, the bass station vst would have been the shiz. But as has been stated many many many times before, the bass station is way too expensive. |











