Anybody know when Intakt is due out. I am getting quite impatient now. I am resisting the urge to purchase Dicer at the moment but that is getting more difficult. Although I will probably buy dicer anyway as they are the type of company that should be doing wel as Jon is alway willing to listen to suggestions.

Anyway, anybody have any ideas on a date - when on a bit of a tangent there

is it just the rex 2 you are after ? im bias but I would guess theres not much else the Dicer is missing ? anything else.

baggio wrote:

Anybody know when Intakt is due out. I am getting quite impatient now. I am resisting the urge to purchase Dicer at the moment but that is getting more difficult. Although I will probably buy dicer anyway as they are the type of company that should be doing wel as Jon is alway willing to listen to suggestions. Anyway, anybody have any ideas on a date - when on a bit of a tangent there

i would like intakt because as I a kontakt owner I can get it dirt cheap - like I said I will probably buy Dicer because it is not too expensive and I like ConcreteFX attitude to their customers.

I heard Intakt will be coming out at the end of Oktober, so cross your fingers...

baggio wrote:

Anybody know when Intakt is due out. I am getting quite impatient now.

As a current owner of numerous NI products, my guess as to when it's shipping would depend on how long it takes them to get it almost working while leaving enough bugs to keep people slightly annoyed.

(Sorry, I just couldnt resist...)

[silent] wrote:

I heard Intakt will be coming out at the end of Oktober, so cross your fingers...

I recently heard from a source at NI that this is indeed true I for one can't wait!

yay for NI, releasing their phatmatik ripoff almost a year after announcing, i guess stranger things could happen. like concretefx hiring a UI designer.

carmen wrote:

yay for NI, releasing their phatmatik ripoff almost a year after announcing, i guess stranger things could happen. like concretefx hiring a UI designer.

Dr REX ripoff.

So is Phatmatic.

carmen wrote:

...like concretefx hiring a UI designer.

uuuh that was not nice I thought he has an UI designer now??

thats pretty lousy

look past your eye candy and see what features are in Dicer
so far it knocks anything else clean out of the water.

UI's are nice for sure, but give me a choice over features theres no competition.

carmen wrote:

i guess stranger things could happen. like concretefx hiring a UI designer.

nuffink wrote:

carmen wrote: yay for NI, releasing their phatmatik ripoff almost a year after announcing Dr REX ripoff. So is Phatmatic.

Err... no. Phatmatic is a Dr Rex+Recycle ripoff, with a couple of extra tricks of its own. It's still far from clear that Intakt has any tricks of its own...

Me, I'd probably own Phatmatik if the developer wasn't so PC hostile these days. I mean, he's welcome to say and do what he likes, but I'm not convinced I want to be part of it.

Hi there

I'm still doing my own GUI design (I'm far to poor to afford anybody) though hopefully I'm getting better with the help of people's feedback.

I'm always happy if anybody wants to send any suggestions for improvements, though it's such a subjective thing what one loves someone else will hate

Of course Recycle, Phatmatik, Intakt , Dr Rex & Dicer all essentially do the same thing, i.e. slice loops into it's component parts but it's what you can do to these slices afterwards that is important.

Hopefully there will be a new full version / demo of Dicer out later today (more details then)

Cheers

Jon: ConcreteFX

Being a Phatmatik Pro owner and having demo'd Dicer, I think someone would have to be sort of crazy to purchase Intakt. From the gui, it certainly looks like Intakt won't do anything different from these other programs. In particular when compared to Dicer, Intakt is likely to have longer waits between bug fixes, longer waits between feature updates, and 3-4 times the cost.

sluggo

Jon (if you allow me !) ... any chance to get once a mac version of your baby ?

Hi there

About a Mac version, unlikely I'm afraid, unless anyone out is out would like to have a look at converting the Delphi code in Osx

Cheers

Jon

...sorry for probably bringing up a new discussion but I'd like to know if anybody can explain to me what's so fabulous about beatslicers - for my taste there are too many steps in this kind of procedure until you have rearranged a loop. wouldn't be something like bomb that beat with 8-16 sample slots and multiple outputs to put effects on the single loops much more easier and more intuitive to rearrange loops and to create complex rhythm patterns?

I dont understand this post

Dicer has multiple outs and can slice up a loop
and export a midi file pattern in seconds.

loachm wrote:

...sorry for probably bringing up a new discussion but I'd like to know if anybody can explain to me what's so fabulous about beatslicers - for my taste there are too many steps in this kind of procedure until you have rearranged a loop. wouldn't be something like bomb that beat with 8-16 sample slots and multiple outputs to put effects on the single loops much more easier and more intuitive to rearrange loops and to create complex rhythm patterns?

... bomb that beat works a bit like a step sequencer on which you can change the position of every single 16th of a loop with a length of one bar. I found this method very intuitive since you can rearrange the loop while replaying, instead of dragging the sliced splits in your midi sequencer. I think it's more a thing to really play with instead of programming since the single patterns are mapped to single keys on your keyboard - that's the aspect I like about it.

ahh, so you mean you can re-arrange slices in the app it self.

Jon are you looking ?

I thought this exact thing last night. would be cool if Dicer could cut copy drag slices around.

is that what you mean ?

bomb that beat was hell buggy here and no longer developed as far as I know.

loachm wrote:

... bomb that beat works a bit like a step sequencer on which you can change the position of every single 16th of a loop with a length of one bar. I found this method very intuitive since you can rearrange the loop while replaying, instead of dragging the sliced splits in your midi sequencer. I think it's more a thing to really play with instead of programming since the single patterns are mapped to single keys on your keyboard - that's the aspect I like about it.

slice dragging on the fly ???

how cool ???

slainte rob

experimentfour wrote:

slice dragging on the fly ??? how cool ??? slainte rob

that would be cool indeed!

... I don't like that beatslicing because for me it always ends up in some kind of microscopic thing since I'm not satisfied with rearranging an existing drumloop so I layer sometimes up to 8 or 12 beats, rearrange them, add effects etc. until I have a completely new and unique sounding drumloop. such a procedure could sometimes take a few days and people I've worked with alway make fun on this saying it's some kind of autistic thing - and they're right. so a vsti to layer loops and having the ability to control their rhythmic patterns and sound would be the solution for my way of working (would love to have such afeature implemented in my kontakt...) - and would be very interesting in a live situation (don't mention devine machine since it's also based on slicing...). the perfect solution would be a mixture of a multiple bomb that beat with a step sequencer like the ruction vsti - I found such a thing made by the guys who also made rubberduck a few years ago but sadly it's of course no vsti...

http://www.d-lusion.com/products/drumstation/

Hi there

Yes it sound interesting, I think this will tie in with what I going to do with sequences (if I understand what you mean). The new sequences will do in essence the whole rearrange loop thing.

At the moment there is the quite primitive preview type sequences, the changes will be

Firstly I'm going to rename them sequences and I'm going to have a screen in the tab bit at the bottom called sequences

In this it will show the sequence keys & mode (looped , single, random, backwards?), also you will be able to either run through the whole loop or select which slices to play , so you would have a display like

Slice Length
Slice 02 full
Slice 03 full
Silence 2qb
Slice 01 2qb

Where the length would be the full length of the slice or a set number of beats, and you would be able to have silences in the loop as well.

You will be able to drag and drop the slices from the sample screen into this sequencer

Also looking at adding shuffle to randomize the timing , being able to export these altered loops to waves and adding links to the envelope so just for instance could have an envelope controlling the pitch of the slices as they play

I'll have to have a look at bomb that beat as well

Cheers

Jon : ConcreteFX

Concretefx wrote:

Yes it sound interesting, I think this will tie in with what I going to do with sequences (if I understand what you mean). The new sequences will do in essence the whole rearrange loop thing. At the moment there is the quite primitive preview type sequences, the changes will be Firstly I'm going to rename them sequences and I'm going to have a screen in the tab bit at the bottom called sequences In this it will show the sequence keys & mode (looped , single, random, backwards?), also you will be able to either run through the whole loop or select which slices to play , so you would have a display like Slice Length Slice 02 full Slice 03 full Silence 2qb Slice 01 2qb Where the length would be the full length of the slice or a set number of beats, and you would be able to have silences in the loop as well. You will be able to drag and drop the slices from the sample screen into this sequencer Also looking at adding shuffle to randomize the timing , being able to export these altered loops to waves and adding links to the envelope so just for instance could have an envelope controlling the pitch of the slices as they play

nothing to say in response to this except -





slainte rob

jon, I like your ideas there!

Hi Jon - thanks for your interest. I don't know if bomb that beat is originally based on slicing - perhaps on the developer's side in the internal code. as for the user the fantastic thing for me about it is that you don't have to use a sequencer's editor because bomb that beat sequences (or triggers) the loop so it's not that usual slicing-rearranging thing for the user - it's more like defining the starting point of a loop's 16ths in a one-bar pattern. since bomb that beat uses faders to rearrange the 16ths I'm wondering if you could do this with midi controller box which has 16 faders - another interesting aspect for a live situation...

we could email if you're interested in such a concept.

Hi there

In Dicer at the moment you can set it so it slices the loops at say every 16'th note based on the tempo or into 16 parts.

You could then uses these slices in the sequencer part which I'm developing (hopefully by dragging the slice) , so this should replicate what you like in bomb this beat (I haven't used bomb this beat I'll have to see if there is a demo I can look at)

If you want to send us an email, our address is mail@concretefx.com, I'm always interested in any new ideas for our software

Cheers

Jon : ConcreteFX