Now i know this is going to sound stupid to most of you...but im still new at all of this.....only been able to digitally record albums that i have been able to mix myself with programs off the internet....but anyway about this VSTi is it an actual program for the computer....or is it an actual mix your buy and all the psydrum plugins and other plugins like that programs that are just able to link in....because im really confused....just trying to create my own music here and having real problems using such programs such as Adobe Audition....kinda complicated for me...if anybody know what that program is...and if anybody could point me in the right direction of a program that would be worth using with good bass beats and samples cause the ones i have to work with are pretty bad....does not sound like anything i have heard in any electronica of any sorts.....
Thanxs from Rayv

1st of all : welcome to kvr !!!!!

-VST insn't a program but an audio (an audioinstrument )plug-in standard ( as DX and DXi for pc or AU for macosX...among few others )

in fact vst is the most common of all and you may find it in most host sequencers

-Someone may surely give you a link or more detailed explanations

Well Thanx alot that clears up a lot of my questions...
now if i could only get a hold of this program because i have been looking for a decent program to use for months now.....and the ones i keep getting are very complex pieces of crap basicly....
so if anybody know of a link where i might be able to get this program...and also a list of the best plugins for this program or most popular plugins give me a shout..
Thanxs from Rayv

So the VSTis are, for example, a synthesiser, a bass, a drum machine, things like that.

The program/app you play them in is a host.

Probably a good place for you to start exploring is to click the "Instruments, Effects, hosts etc" button you see at the top left of this screen, and do a search for hosts under your configuration (e.g. free hosts for PC).

Follow the links to see how the various hosts work, choose one, then have a look at the various instruments (and effects) in the search section here.

Whatever you do don't ask what the best host is! you could start a war.

Have fun

(i was writing that last one while you were replying)

Pantsdown666 wrote:

Whatever you do don't ask what the best host is! you could start a war.

Or the best or most popular plugins for that matter...
Half the fun is learning how to use it all
Welcome!
ew

Unfortunally i run a windows xp so i cannot use anything that requires DirectX functions...
is that going to seriously limit the hosts that i can use.....

and are all plugins that i can download able to run with these host or are some not able to run with them?

Jay123 wrote:

Unfortunally i run a windows xp so i cannot use anything that requires DirectX functions...

XP is probably the best OS for running DXis and DX effects...Sonar user with XP here-and there's a LOT of us.
ew

as you are a beginner
i recommend you download the demos of the following
orion pro
fl studio
tracktion

im sure there are a few others but these are quite easy to get to grips with and if you like the feel of them none too expensive and all good at what they do,just some people find different ones easier to work with

so for now,just get a few demos see what you like and ask as many questions here as possible

you will soon be up n runnin

and welcome to kvr a friendly if sometimes a little in yer face place
but you will learn plenty

im on xp too runnin orion platinum
most vst hosts use asio drivers anyway
well get on to this later

hmm ... well ...

running a win xp system (or win9x/2k/nt) is a requirement for using directx ... i guess you couldnt run winxp very well without directx , so let me tell you ... you can use directx plugs ...

cheers,
Syn ...

P.S.: sorry for the lack of structure , but i just woke up, and the caffeine didnt kick in yet

edit: whoops ... three other replies while i was writing ... hehe

By my side (and though i'm not a PC user ) i would recommend the Cubasis InWired... as free host sequencer... to beguin

Krakatau wrote:

By my side (and though i'm not a PC user ) i would recommend the Cubasis InWired... as free host sequencer... to beguin

see told you there would be others

Don't worry cos i'm not looking contradiction, seems that on the list that it is the most elaborate host sequencer you can get for PC for free

-but at the meantime i realise that the link to the "required resources" ..the rocket control, doesn't match anymore...

any other ideas anybody
without the usual this is the best blah blah
just a quick list of free/cheap and simple to use
lets try to help here rather than start the usual tirades

cmon i know theres some out there i just dont know what they are

Thanxs for all the help....
Its going to take me a while to learn how to use one of these programs....
also most of these seem to support Midi files....and i have absolutly no midi files....only wave format and mp3.....
i just was thinking also is their a program out their that would let you break down a song in to sepreat parts....i dont know im not sure if their is....im bettin on no...
but if their is i would like to know.....cause i have well over a thousand tech singles and i can do with them is mix and remix....not like thats a problem....
im gonna have to find a way to figure these out....
anyway is acid pro a good program....just wondering...cause i have a copy of it on my computer...just could never get the thing to work cause i have no samples to work with....
which is another problem of mine....
thanx

Using Audition (which is barely two months old) and Acid Pro, but got no samples, and no idea how to use anything...

Ummmm, is it just me or....

damn crack whores....

ok i think im gonna stick with the Traction program for right now it seems to be the easiest one to work with...thanxs for all the help....but im still gonna need more...i can feel it...hahaha
anyway thanxs a lot...
lata Rayv

whyterabbyt wrote:

Using Audition (which is barely two months old).

hmm could be this one

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Audition/

or .....

Pantsdown666 quoth hmm could be this one

He specifically said Adobe Audition...

whyterabbyt wrote:

Pantsdown666 quoth hmm could be this one He specifically said Adobe Audition...

ah right ...... $300 down the drain then !

do you guys think i would spend that kind of money on i program i have no idea how to use.....
i dont spend 20 bucks on a cd i only want for one song

Although i would like to know where i could get some midi and wav samples would that be under effect links.

another quick question
for samples to work do they have to be with certian programs or can they work with just about all programs....
same questions goes with the instruments
thanx

Jay123 wrote:

do you guys think i would spend that kind of money on i program i have no idea how to use..... i dont spend 20 bucks on a cd i only want for one song

could this be the statement that proves whyterabbyt right

What do you mean by that?

do you guys think i would spend that kind of money on i program i have no idea how to use.....

Irrelevant. It is not necessary to start off with the $300 toys when there's plenty of free stuff out there.

vurt wrote:

Jay123 wrote: do you guys think i would spend that kind of money on i program i have no idea how to use..... i dont spend 20 bucks on a cd i only want for one song could this be the statement that proves whyterabbyt right

Could be-let's wait to hear what he thinks
ew

why are you guys beatin around the bush?

Yeah, why are we beating around the bush? It's much more fun to steam in with unfounded accusations and scare off new members

sorry Jay,

looks like if you want any help around here we are gonna need digitally signed screen shots of valid software licenses from here on out...


You may not want to pay 300 bucks for software, but by you using warez, you are only contributing to the problem. Not to mention, if your remixes blow up how are you gonna feel when nobody pays for them?

I only want to make music thats all...

all were sayin is usin warez is wrong
especially when theres so much free stuff and dirt cheap stuff out there
which to be honest from what ive seen makes people better musicians
if you learn something and earn it i think you put more into it

thats what im sayin

Jay123 wrote:

I only want to make music thats all...

And software developers only want to eat and have a roof over their heads...
ew

Quote:

thats what im sayin

I'm not

CypherOne wrote:

Quote: thats what im sayin I'm not

should be
and btw cat tastes like chicken
i know people say that about everythin but with cat its true

for one im using an out dated version.....
for two im only using it because i have not been able to afford turntables, mixer, ect....quite yet so when i am able to afford a set i at least have the skills to use them....not planning to sell this stuff...for one im too amature to do so...im just trying to learn the basics.....and no offence but i have tremdous respect for techno artists and their music.....im not trying to rip them off but when you can't afford 300 hunderd dollar mixing equipment for your computer or for that matter a 500 dollar table it kind gets you donw....but when you can at least have a chance to make sure that you can be able to keep your dream alive then i will take it....i have no intent of putting any of my work up on a website or radio station until im doing it legit....im just lookin to find out if i have wat it takes to do this i've been wanting to do this for years....its not like i woke up yesterday and said hey i want these programs so that i can make money....no im doing this for myself...not money.....if have never wanted to be a dj for money in the first place....just being able to play in from of a crowd at a wild party has been my dream.....
thats all i just want to be albe to use such programs....
man i live in a place where i could not market techno music anyway....
so anyway like i said im doing this for my own personal benifit of learning...
thats all

for one im using an out dated version.....

Of Adobe Audition? Remarkable.

And once again, if you're just learning, you dont need the bells and whistles. If you dont need the bells and whistles, you dont need the $300 apps. If you dont need the $300 apps, you can get buy on freeware.

And there is shitloads of that about. For example, Pick up a £5 copy of Computer Music and you'll get a sequencer, and a sampler, two drum machines, a bass synth, and a lead synth on the disk, as well as a fair whack of samples. Thats as good a starting point as as anyone needs ...

its true
if you wanna do it it can be done for free/virtually
and with this we will help
but wed rather not help out if people are gonna steal the products they use
as in some cases some of the people here may be the developer your stealing from this could be seen as admittance kinda thing if you were to say in a forum i aint payin for it cos i wont get paid for my tunes

well i dont get paid when i finish games n such but i still know people who made em gotta pay their rent
capiche?

Yes, I'd suggest picking up a copy of Computer Music Magazine, and using the free tools in it. As a newbie you're not going to know what to do with these expensive warez programs anyways man. CM has good tutorials and stuff in it too to help you get started.

just want to emphasise one thing that Vurt mentioned ...

There's a lot of developers on this site. Some of them make freeware, some of them make shareware, some of them make full professional programs. Some of them are trying to make a living from it, some are doing it for extra income, some are just doing it for fun. Everyone here is very helpful, but I think there's a heightened understanding that using warez rips these people off .

It's like - imagine you're doing an extra job for a little bit of money, then five times a day someone comes into your house and casually takes a bit of money from your wallet - just $20 or $30 or so, but it all adds up after a while. Then they knock on your door and ask you what sort of wallet you think they should buy.

Hope that helps! Get into the freeware stuff and have some fun

This is why Access don't write plug-ins. It's the sheer embarrasment of "I've got this $2000 Redback and I don't know how to use it. Do you know how to do it? Also, what is MIDI?"

Anyway, shockingly, very few people here are making money from what they do. Except for the developers, and I'm not too sure about that, frankly. Live with it.

Oh, and you might be better off learning to play the guitar/piano. There's nothing like actually having a good idea and talent for helping with the technical stuff.

See, I really don't think that someone is actually contributing to the problem by using warez, per se. I just don't understand why we learn not to use generalizations regarding niggers and jews and krauts and faggots and bitches and bums and americans and tommies and japs and chinks and whoever else, but when it comes to people who use warez they ALL are the same.

That said I of course can understand your opinions and respect them, but there are some things you may or may not have considered - For one there are of course a lot of freeware alternatives to expensive software studios/instruments/effects, yet when I first tried to get into making music on the computer I was in new territory and thus didn't know anything. See, the only trees in that forest I had ever heard of were Logic and Cubase and even a lot of research didn't get me any nearer to freeware than Fruityloops, which I couldn't afford, either. By the time I finally could tell the oak from the birch months had passed. I gladly would have used freeware - Most people however don't even stumble across it and when they do, they don't know what to think of it... That would have been like meeting a damn alien in that damn forest and I wouldn't even know that the alien is the tree I was looking for.

Okay, I hope I won't get flamed now.