Looks like the drum wars are on

http://www.toontrack.com/demos.shtml

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iDavid wrote:

Looks like the drum wars are on

Bring it on!

I really liked the brush and mallet demos and the percussion looks interesting. Good price, too, but at 35 GB I’d have to calculate with the price for a new drive.

Man, my wishlist is getting longer by the day (I was kind of hoping the Garritan Personal Orchestra demos would suck but no such luck) – looks like a lean year ahead.

Oh, well – guess I needed to lose some weight anyway.

/Yoss

MAMA MÍA!!

That drumkit sounds ultra realistic! super natural!

Superior to anything that i have heard, and i have heard many, my drummer friend has and play many of the best libraries around.

Im veryyy impressed.

I cant believe the full version will be 35Gb at around 250€

I start saving for that now.

I'm confused on what the contest is asking for...

Mix the files, as in, just load them into your sequencer and hit play? Or what?

Or process them and make them sound great or what?

Quite confused...

I just A/B DKH One and BFH.

I have to say I like DKH, but BFD sounds more real to me. I like the variety of DKH Superior.

Maybe I need both

I think BFD will meet my needs for a while

iDavid,
I respect your opinion, of course.

But I have the opossite sensation.

I only have heard the demos from BFD site and now the DKFH superior.

The BFD demos lacks to me punch and character, they sound flaccid to me. That sounds disappointing because I was hopping a much better product from BFD, as the concept is truly amazing. How is the real one? it sounds much better than the demos?

However DKFH Superior demos sounds incredible morel natural and like from a high end production. Maybe the product will disappoint me when its in my hands
Im really impressed with the demos.

The real thing does sound better.

You can tweak the sound so much it would be difficult to have a demo for each possible sound.

I do like the sound of DKH. It just sound less real to me, maybe that will be address more in Superior. I agree that they do have a lot of character and crack, maybe more than BFD. I think in the mix BFD would come out ahead. I need to try them so more. I think the two are both of very high quality..

this is a good time to ba a musician

I'll post again in a few weeks after I play with both

You know what bites about DFH superior?

The VSTi. Nothing pisses me off more than having to load one more VSTi to use drum samples... Give me the sample content so I can remap the kits the way I want...

DFH was a niggly mapping, but I could drag it around in DR-008 to fit my tunes...

Apparently it's just the DFH mapping or GM mapping in Superior. Or did I not read it properly?

I hate VSTi's for sample playing...
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I hate different VSTi's for different sample libraries. That's what I truly hate! (that makes more sense too...) DR-008 is all a person needs.
The sample content sounds great - but the VSTi and mapping is shitty.

grrrr.

just Res having a little rant... sorry.

One more thing - I would LOVE to see the drums from BFD in a DR-008 format. Fuck the MIDI loops. Fuck all these miking options - give me an ambient mix, and a close-miked mix and you're good to go - two instances of DR-008 playing the two different versions, mix to taste, add compression, fx, re-map the sounds where you want...

What could be better than that? EH???

Well, I just looked over the DFH site and couldn't find anything about whether or not the samples could be used outside the DFH VSTi, so I went to the forum and posted that question there.

I'm not particularly against ROMplers, but I'm sick of learning new drum machines. If it's like we fear, maybe their tagline should be "All the money you spent on drum machine VSTis to date has been wasted!"

...and the answer is:

"The Superior samples is wav samples so you can use them in any other program if you want to! (it will be hard to make it work though with all leakage)"

Ha ha! He said "leakage."

pough,

you don't really think someone is gonna painstakingly deconstruct these kits, sample by sample, and program them as DR-008 patches?

dood, do you know how long that would take with 60,000 samples?

Fuck that!

Well, I'm thinking that nutjob Resonance, from a few posts back, who said, "Give me the sample content so I can remap the kits the way I want" might do it. I went over to the DFH forum and asked the question just for him, so I hope he appreciates it!

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What could be better than that? EH???

DR-008 with disk-streaming ...

... to handle these new, massive libraries -- also, check out Purrrfect Drums -- with more efficient memory utilization.

James Althoff wrote:

check out Purrrfect Drums

Link?

Don't expect to see diskstreaming in DR-008 until at least the next major release. We haven't ruled out doing some "BFD Mixdown" kits for DR-008, but these will not be seperate dry and ambient versions of the same kit, rather they're treated 2ch mixdowns. Right now, the only way to get the flexibility of BFD is... BFD. Again, we haven't ruled out multichannel mixing support (and indeed BFD content compatibility) in a future DR instrument, but we certainly won't be including BFD content in-the-box.

Having said that, the upcoming subrelease (1.19) has auto velocity mapping, which makes it a bit less painful to map out multisamples... just drag/drop a whole sample set in to Velosampler and it will auto velocity map them.

krraqk, we have a thread in the FXpansion forum where you can ask to hear other aspects of BFD. The lack of punch may be because what you're hearing is untreated drums which have then been subject to lossy mp3 datacompression.

Oh, and about mapping... BFD is completely reconfigurable. It comes with GM and V-Drums style mappings, but can be remapped to suit whatever.

Have Toontrack released any details of their VSTi other than the fact that it exists..?

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Link? (to Purrrfect Drums)

www.studiocat.com

OUUUCHHH!, I gotta say IMO, looks like DFH Superior is going to be the one to beat, and I'm a dead skeptic when it comes to drum samples.
Even the audio demos do it for me, Very Nice!

Which one is better ?

The Drumkit From Hell or...
The Brumkit From Dell ?

The DFH (Drumkit From Hell) is currently a kickass sample set that can be loaded into many drum machines.

The BFD (Big Fucking Drumkit) is a VSTi with an enormous sampleset of drum hits, plus more.

DFH Superior will be released in January and is similar to BFD (VSTi, huge number of high-quality samples) but has a few differences. I don't really know what they are, since DFH Superior hasn't been released yet.

BFD has a lot of features that make the playing and the samples sound real.

Even if you program the drums yourself , BFD can alter the dynamics and timing to give it a "real" vibe

DKFH version zz9-plural alpha may be good, and its soundset may be big, but you gotta remember what a bloody good programmer Angus is.

But hey, what the hell, sell granny, buy both.

I'll still be using DR008, tho.

Why thank you, whyterabbyt - although, credit where it's due - my cow-orker SKoT wrote about 80% of BFD, and in many ways he's a better coder than I.

Oh, and about mapping... BFD is completely reconfigurable. It comes with GM and V-Drums style mappings, but can be remapped to suit whatever.

Angus - that's the selling feature I was looking for! You're a good man.

Remapping is a must!

And pough, thanks for going the extra mile in the DFH forums... much appreciated... but yeah, 60,000 samples is a little too much for even Res to remap...

It took me a weekend to deconstruct the SF2 of NS_Kitv6 and rebuild it in the DR-008. Not gonna do something like that again unless it's a freebie. I think part of what you're paying for is the mapping when you buy a sample set, unless it's a WAV only thing - and then it's cheaper anyway. But for the price of DFH Superior, you know I shouldn't have to construct those kits myself....

The new Res quote = "Fuck That!"

You know what I really dig about DR-008? The mix and match capability... I've made a couple of Master Kits for my own personal use out of a bunch of Sample CDs I've bought over the years - including DFH, Kits and Snares from Sonic Reality, Series One from Sonic Implants, Afro-Cuban Percussion, some shit from the net, some Sound-Fonts, Gig samples, anything... Every Drum CD has high points and low points - great snares but shitty cymbals - nice round kicks, but snares that are weedy etc... So you build your own "Super Kits" in DR-008 and you're set-up.

That's what makes DR-008 the monster!

Yeah, you gotta get behind Angus and the boys and support FXPansion...