Did anyone yet A/B the Arturia CS80V with a real Yamaha CS80?

Hans Zimmer has(Sold his GX 1)

I tried out the CS80v, then I put on my real CS-80 right over the laptop to compare... It crushed my desk!

Sorry, I just couldn't resist!

Not to say what happens when you compare the moog modularVSTi with the real one...

I've A/B'd one layer of the CS80v with a CS60-they're really close.There's some difference with the ring mod decy scaling-other than that I can't really hear any difference.
ew

Yeah, me too. I A/B'ed the CS80V with my CS60 and my CS40M...I don't have a CS80, and therefore the comparison isn't wholly accurate, but close (the CS80's oscillator had a wider frequency range than the CS60 or 40M). The waveforms are not EXACT reproductions, by a long ways, if examined under the microscope (well, okay, that won't actually work...Wavelab might be better for that). But the overall tone is very similar, and the CS80V can easily handle all the sorts of sounds I depend on both the CS60 and the CS40M to provide. Like the CS40M, it has the ability to route LFOs all over the place, which the real CS80 did not have. It can't quite match the one thing I love about the 40M, however, and that is the ability to assign a different LFO waveshape to each destination simultaneously. However, it makes up for that by allowing the user to program some neat multis, and will even rotate the voices for "Wavesequences". It's really the filters, envelopes and modulations that the CS80V gets points for. Very close (though not parameter-to-parameter accurate. In other words, setting up the filter sliders in the same positions on the real deal and this won't produce the same sound precisely). Of course, all of the real ones sounded very different from one another...this is shown in the fact that EW's CS60's ring mod is different from the CS80V, while mine sounds remarkably similar. Good synth, the CS80V.

But it doesn't SMELL like my CS60...EW, does yours smell good when it's fired up? Like electrons and silicon and wood and plastic and metal...

Mr.Solida wrote:

But it doesn't SMELL like my CS60...EW, does yours smell good when it's fired up? Like electrons and silicon and wood and plastic and metal...

I know what you're talking about-my Oberheim Four-Voice and Two-Voice had the same thing.Hot solder and warm epoxy do it for me
ew

That's the way my toaster oven smells every time I make Bruschetta!



I guess I figure I can joke about the CS80's 'cause I just got a soundset for my EX5 of CS80 Brass Voices that dare I say Auturia just can't compare to!

So I'm a happy camper! (Until I have to lift my EX5, then I'll wish I got the Auturia version! )

Scot Solida wrote:

But it doesn't SMELL like my CS60...EW, does yours smell good when it's fired up? Like electrons and silicon and wood and plastic and metal...

and people always thought it was the pot that made musicians high.

Yeah...I have A/B'ed the CS-80V with my own MIDIfied Yamaha CS-80 that is in mint condition. It's certainly close and definitely cool sounding.

The biggest differences are that the CS-80v sounds still cleaner and much more pristine than the real one. The real one has more noise and "grit" in the sound. The filters are close, but they got the hipass envelope modulation wrong....actually way off the real thing. The Chorus and Tremolo sound good in the CS-80V, but very different than the real CS-80...which has one of the weirdest sounding chorus/tremolo units I've ever heard (more like a rotovibe than a regular chorus). Wah pedal is way off too...which is one of my favorite CS-80 sonic tricks. The real CS-80 has a warmer overall sound that is a little darker too.....just a little more personality overall. Ring Mod is very close, but much more digital sounding.

Biggest difference is the feeling of interacting with it of course. The real CS-80 is huge and doing fine changes with the real paddles is very sexy and smooth.....the opposite of the "squinting" and micromovements you have to do with the tiny knobs and sliders on the soft version. The incredible Keyboard action and Poly aftertouch and silky ribbon also have a huge impact on the real CS-80 experience too....so it is nothing like playing a real one.

All the aside, the CS-80V is one of the best soft synths ever, and really DOES capture the sonic essence and spirit of the original. It has loads of personality and is capable of amazing sounds which are impossible on my real CS-80. I'm an enthusiastic user of both....Arturia did a phenomenal job and should be highly commended! Don't plan on getting rid of either.....

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spectrum

PS. Me and my big baby!

Hi Eric,
If you get the time could you confirm something for me please? You mention the wah.How is it responding to MIDI CCs for you? For me the exp/wah is responding to CC#4, but its response is inverted, i.e. increasing the value of CC#4 *lowers* the volume/cutoff. At the moment I'm still using the demo (while waiting for my ExpressionMate bundle to arrive;-), and as a workaround I'm using MidiPipe in OSX to convert my outgoing CC#11 to inverted CC#4. I haven't heard of anyone else mention this yet, but since you mention the sound of the wah, that means you obviously must have controlled it from somewhere! Apart from that, I'm just so excited about this VI..and it isn't just nostalgia! (I'm sure you can already imagine the wishlist I intend springing upon poor Arturia, when I catch them in an unsuspecting moment!!)

Cheers,
Vic E.

I tried the demo.
What can you do with this synth when, with only one sound, the CPU usage is 50% (P4, 2.6 GHz) ?

GeeBee wrote:

I tried the demo. What can you do with this synth when, with only one sound, the CPU usage is 50% (P4, 2.6 GHz) ?

Can't remember it was that high on my Athlon XP 1700+! I'll recheck it when I'm at home.

On my XP 2400+ (2GHz), cpu usage is around [edited:15-25% for 8-note-polyphony] with ASIO buffer size of 256 samples@48kHz (Terratec DMX 6fire 24/96)...

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On my XP 2400+ (2GHz), cpu usage is around 25-30% with ASIO buffer size of 256 samples@48kHz (Terratec DMX 6fire 24/96)...

..and on your CS80..

A friend of mine used to have a CS30. I loved it. You could pretty much route anything to anything, Mono only and had a bit of tuning drift for the first 1/2 hour... but hey nothings perfect.

I've been wondering if a VSTi of it would ever come.. but I doubt it. I'm still waiting for a VSTi of my old Korg Delta!

DSP

GeeBee wrote:

I tried the demo. What can you do with this synth when, with only one sound, the CPU usage is 50% (P4, 2.6 GHz) ?

Hit freeze.

on my CS80... hehe would be lucky if i ever see one ---> the only synth's i've ever played were a Korg Trinity & my old Roland JX-8P .... so, nothing really analogue there *g*

GeeBee wrote:

I tried the demo. What can you do with this synth when, with only one sound, the CPU usage is 50% (P4, 2.6 GHz) ?

sell your p4, get an athlon

i'm still back on the toaster oven smell -- i used to have an old Hallicrafter's WW II-era shortwave radio (Army green) where over the years all the big capacitors had leaked their contents and high voltage coronas used to project eerie patterns out of the holes of the paper back.
so beside hot solder and warm epoxy, i'd have to add the sharpness of a little ozone. Now that was a noise generator no one will be emulating soon -- lots of knobs, real tubes, but no midi.

Some people get used to coffee smell in the morning, and some, err, say "ah, the sweet smell of analogue synthesis" - everyone's got his addiction hehehe...

spectrum wrote:

PS. Me and my big baby!

But who of the both is THE BIG BABY????

Sorry, couldn´t resist (BTW love your products....Trilogy and Stylus are already integrated and atmosphere is on the waiting list)

One serious thing: I used the demo on my 733 MHz G4 Mac. I love the sound but due to the high cpu load I just can´t play the thing with more than 4 voices (at least most of the patches). I mailed Xavier who is a VERY friendly supporter but the plugin seems to be already optimised. So I will have to get a G5 (for other reasons as well)

GeeBee wrote:

What can you do with this synth when, with only one sound, the CPU usage is 50% (P4, 2.6 GHz) ?

Which patch gave you 50%?