Anyone interested in really good brass and woodwind patches should sign on.

Count me in!

Me too!

Here Here!

me 2

ME TOOO !!!!

..oh..

I thought you meant the little VL-Tone with the micro keys and cheesy rhythms - now THAT would be a VSTi worth having!

DSP

No, Yamaha VL-1 engine supporting all samplerates and polyphonic for as many voices the PC can handle.

I'm all for a VL-1/7m VSTi. Not only that, but I would like to see something akin to vocaloid for acoustic instruments as well (using sample fragments, and intelligent sequencing of them to generate realistic playback of complex instruments).

I was just thinking about my old VL-Tone the other day and how much I miss it

Just to comment :

-i don't think it is necessarily helpfull to get polyphony with a VL kind of synth this because it has already, as monophonic instrument, many parameters to handle correctly before getting the best of such an instrument.

-Maybe it would be more sensible to hope for many monophonic lines in parrallel

Krakatau wrote:

Just to comment : -i don't think it is necessarily helpfull to get polyphony with a VL kind of synth this because it has already, as monophonic instrument, many parameters to handle correctly before getting the best of such an instrument. -Maybe it would be more sensible to hope for many monophonic lines in parrallel

Absolutely.. 1 is plenty

Krakatau wrote:

Just to comment : -i don't think it is necessarily helpfull to get polyphony with a VL kind of synth this because it has already, as monophonic instrument, many parameters to handle correctly before getting the best of such an instrument. -Maybe it would be more sensible to hope for many monophonic lines in parrallel

You are right. The original VL-1 had 2 voices. I think that this would be fine, seeing the type of instruments VL is designed to model, and that we can have multiple instances of VSTInstruments.

The VL code for WIN32 already exists in the Yamaha S-YXG100 plus since 1998.

electro wrote:

Krakatau wrote: Just to comment : -i don't think it is necessarily helpfull to get polyphony with a VL kind of synth this because it has already, as monophonic instrument, many parameters to handle correctly before getting the best of such an instrument. -Maybe it would be more sensible to hope for many monophonic lines in parrallel You are right. The original VL-1 had 2 voices. I think that this would be fine, seeing the type of instruments VL is designed to model, and that we can have multiple instances of VSTInstruments. The VL code for WIN32 already exists in the Yamaha S-YXG100 plus since 1998.

Absolutely. Yamaha are holding out on this one for some reason. In fact their Sondius technology seems to have disappeared from their newer softsynths, i.e. those that work on NT based systems (natch)

griels wrote:

...natch...

ponce

Kriminal wrote:

...natch...

Sorry, I know Windows 2000 is a bit ahead of the times for these parts, but I've seen enough of Scandisk for one lifetime, eh?

I used to own the VL-70m. Wish I still did, so a VST version would be very cool.

-Shane

griels wrote:

Kriminal wrote: ...natch... Sorry, I know Windows 2000 is a bit ahead of the times for these parts, but I've seen enough of Scandisk for one lifetime, eh?

Easy there Greel, stay cool there you crazy cat!

You don't blow, you suck!

According to Gweels:

Kriminal wrote:

...natch...

In actuall fact...

gweeth wrote:

...natch...

...and...

Kriminal wrote:

...ponce...

Kriminal wrote:

Kriminal wrote: ...natch...

ponce

i never use that word.....!!!!

(actually, i did once, and got a load of grief from donks...)

Kriminal wrote:

i never use that word.....!!!! (actually, i did once, and got a load of grief from donks...)

My sincerest contrafibulations Krim!

bump

Pilchard is working on a monophonic PM Brass VSTi (limited to 5 note bugles at the moment). Early days yet tho, and he's busy with umpteen other things, and not sure about the Stanford patent issues either (prolly will be non-commercial VSTi because of this).

That said, Arturia were mooting a Brass VSTi recently.

Who is Pilchard?

http://www.pilchard.org

http://www.studiosense.org

after reading the whole thread, another vote here..!

..and another 1

bump

Only if yamaha liceneces out the technology to a good VST team. Any software Yamaha puts out themselves usually is pretty terrible as far as interfacing goes.
But I guess any VST version would be better than none.

Here's my vote.

/me *votes* )

U freaks! As if Yamaha cares!

How about a VSTi glockenspeil.

Unless my memory is fading, likely, I believe that it is Stanford University that any petitions should be addressed to. They own the patents which Yamaha used under licence and used to develop their VL synthesis engine(s).

If this is so, it raises something I always wondered about the Stanford patents as I always understood it that university based projects in the US were automatically by law to be put into the public domain. I assume this was research that wasn't covered by this criteria.

That's assuming I don't have it all tits up in the first place but I believe both points above to be true to the best of my limited knowledge.

Link

Addendum: The Stanford patents used by Yamaha are acknowledged at the bottom of this list...

http://www.sondiusxg.com/patent.html

munchkin wrote:

U freaks! As if Yamaha cares! How about a VSTi glockenspeil.

Naff off you Eurotrance goon

Besides, Tassman gives us that and Unity Session Synth Expander provides the brass.

Hopefully the competition will initiate a Korg or Yamaha brass VSTi finally.

The jazzy dream is upon us!

up

up

It seems that Korg has set the example for Yamaha to follow.

up.

Yeah, failing a VL70-m VSTi, here's hoping for a Z1, Oasys or Prophecy VSTi Or even a DSP Card/Firewire unit type solution would be better than nothing, preferably VST integrated, but first and foremost that must be supported with new drivers, unlike the Oasys.

Pleeez.

I would get a DSP card that could run at least 24 monophonic brass/wind instruments simultaneously. Quality would have to be at least equal to the older VL-1, else there would be no deal. I wouldn't invest in a DSP card, only to run half assed PM instruments on it.

Hi, further to Xoxos' discussion on DIY brass, I found an interesting link of Harm Visser's OASYS Physical Modelling patch site:

http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~maarten/

Some interesting papers on doing it yourself.

That said, Harm's models are not quite up there with the Yamaha models, but better than what's available natively AFAIK.

I like his clarinet models. This is what we need in VST.

Yeah, the clarinet is pretty good. In fact, SoBy_PM_Woodwind for Reaktor 3 from www.soundbytes.de can do flute and woodwind such as clarinets pretty well. Not really brass as such though, but check http://www.hvsynthdesign.com/ for a list of models by Harm. Maybe we could twist his (H)arm

Or I might get busy with the C++/Synthedit/Reaktor one day

This guy really knows what he is doing. The Oaysis PCI Acoustic models are very impressive. Is any of this stuff coming to VST?

Not that I know of, let's press-gang him into it

Does he code, or does he only program patches?

Harms has coded the instruments with the Korg SynthKit development tool which was also used to create the original Oasys synths and also Z1, Prophecy etc. algorithms AFAIK.

Now that Korg has entered the VSTi world, things might get interesting. If they sell enough, I wouldn't be surprised if Korg started producing acoustic modelling VSTi's as well...

You can't make VSTi's from the SynthKit that is available to the Oasys users, though.

I have just made my first Web site. http://virtualacoustic.free.fr
It's about the commercially adapted physical modeling synthesis with the yamaha VL1, VL1m, VP1, VL70m, korg Z1,Prophecy, Oasys, Wavedrum, Technics WSA1& WSA1r, Wavedrum, Oasys...with some patches, manuals, tips, demos to compare, tools & editors.
It is in french for the moment, but there is a little translation tool .

Regards,
David Dupuy

VL-1 now!

Up.

Here's my vote.

George Ware

My vote is for thine purpose. I think.

VL-1 now!

Does anyone know if you can use the PLGVL daughter board with Terratec's DMXfire card (which apparently can support Yamaha daughterboards but I'm not sure which) or does it only work with the Yamaha one?

Yes, VL-1 now!

What is wrong with these developers?

Electro, did try to extend this petiton to (all) other Vst- related forums as well ?
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electro wrote:

Anyone interested in really good brass and woodwind patches should sign on.

Count my signature : TVD...TVD...TVD

Krakatau wrote:

Electro, did try to extend this petiton to (all) other Vst- related forums as well ? ______________ did you ? did you ? did you ? did you ? d............? ? ? ? ? ?

No.

Apologise if it sounds a bit as a provocation, it wasn't intended to at all

...but if you want a more effective process, it may be a good thing to consider ?

good idea.

I'm down.