Sorry if it sounds pretentious but i just think this VSTi really deserves it

that's it ! ( )

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Sorry ,i meant "a place on the news headlines"... just read and wrote too fast, my mistake !

But if you really wanted to be helpful you would have provided links and maybe even screenshots or mp3s...

Ok, ok...sorry !

though it as been mentioned a fery few days before, here is the link :

http://www.groovecube.com/en/index.html

(For screenshot and mp3's i'd love to, but i'm afraid still have to learn about how to do )

there is a submit news link on the front page aswel... so next time you notice something should be there, why npt add it yourself. it should probably take you the same time as writing a thread complaining about it not being there :p

[edit] nevermind

Don't bother folks

... "Joyeux Noël !"

thanx for the post, K. I had not heard about the release. Looks like tasty stuff. Maybe I will get this version.

and Fetish Navy Dads to you, too!!!
or something like that...

ummm... wait.
wasn't it Felicity's Natty Dreads!
Shit, I can't remember now. It means happy crisp matts.

Huh !!!!!!!!!

i don't speak M'BUTI pigmee or any aboriginal languages

Sorry !

" Tout vient a point a qui sait attendre !"

Thanks Ô Lord Ben (kvr ) !!!!!!

Que ta volonté soit faite !

Just for the sake of saying it once again:

Exciton is the best bloody analog emulation native VSTi on the face of the planet. It's the best, it sooooo good you'll want to kill for it. It sounds good, it feels good, it's pretty (I DO think so) and it's so inexpensive it's a joke.

And the version 2 is so damn good that it should be considered a federal offense not buying it.

Ok, so I think my point is made.

Yet there's still people who don't know about it. This world is full of mysteries.

Jeez, Exsurdo. Stop beating around the bush; Do you like it, or don't you??? You're gonna have to get off the fence about it eventually.

Sounds abit distorted on a lot of sounds here, and cpu is still quite high. Just another VA really, nothing special.

Kriminal wrote:

Sounds abit distorted on a lot of sounds here, and cpu is still quite high. Just another VA really, nothing special.

Maybe try using the drive control in the fx section. Or reduce the saturation of the filter.

It seems funny that thread after thread gets filled with praise for synths like albino and z3ta, filter quality, osc quality and so on. And then, when this to me truly spectacular synth (in terms of usability, flexibility, filter and osc quality) is released at such an incredible price it's "just another VA really".

Just goes to show that you *really* have to try it all yourself before judging a synth. The "all these people can't be wrong" approach doesn't cut it for finding the right gear...

Basically the presets are very poor and do not show the Exciton in a good light. Its possible it may sound good if you tweak it about, but at first listen it sounds very rough, and doesnt stand out as a possible purchase to me.

As for your other point, anyone who buys a synth on recommendation only is a fool. Try the demo and see if it fits your style, dont buy it just because everyone else says its good.

play wrote:

It seems funny that thread after thread gets filled with praise for synths like albino and z3ta, filter quality, osc quality and so on. And then, when this to me truly spectacular synth (in terms of usability, flexibility, filter and osc quality) is released at such an incredible price it's "just another VA really".

You seem to be picking and choosing. I've seen Albino get slammed quite a few times as 'just another trance synth that sounds flat', and the occasional slam on z3ta+. Truth is, they all are 'just another VA'. If the presets don't do it for ya, what else could you say? I've played with version 1, and I didn't buy it. It sounded ok, but I wasn't excited about it. Albino, on the other hand, those presets sounded pretty darn tasty. It was also designed by a well known patch creator too. Was Exciton? I didn't like z3ta+ until recently when better patches started coming out. A lot of the time, patches DO sell the synth.

I haven't listened to version 2, but I can see where Krim is coming from though.


Devon

Ok, let's say :

Considering the sound's quality, it can't be compare with imposcar, obviously, but i guess ,and i'm not the only one, that its stands perfectly the comparison with a softsynth like Pro-53 !

And considering its price range...

...and i'm afraid that if the presets sells the synth, that means that most people don't take their time to see what a beast has in the guts

-too bad !

...but i can understand that it takes TIME to people that don't have so much to fool around ( and maybe there isn't so much more to easily discover about VA )

DevonB wrote:

You seem to be picking and choosing. I've seen Albino get slammed quite a few times as 'just another trance synth that sounds flat', and the occasional slam on z3ta+. Truth is, they all are 'just another VA'. If the presets don't do it for ya, what else could you say? I've played with version 1, and I didn't buy it. It sounded ok, but I wasn't excited about it. Albino, on the other hand, those presets sounded pretty darn tasty. It was also designed by a well known patch creator too. Was Exciton? I didn't like z3ta+ until recently when better patches started coming out. A lot of the time, patches DO sell the synth. I haven't listened to version 2, but I can see where Krim is coming from though. Devon

Of course it's all just a matter of taste and I fully understand when people do not like Exciton. I just think that the lack of discussion obout it is strange, maybe a bit similar to spinaudio's M2. Exciton V2 has a huge bunch of new features and for the price it seems to be an outstanding synth. I wouldn't mind if it got slammed or claims of its quality would be questioned, I just thought it unfair that it wasn't talked about that much, when compared to, say, Albino.


And Krim, of course you have to try out a synth before you decide if you like it or not. I just meant to say that it would have been easy to miss Exciton completely, and that seems strange.

well, of course you have to try these things out, and I'm glad it was brought up because I missed it.
the sad thing is, with all the new stuff coming out, I'm afraid it will be overlooked as just another subtractive synth..along with helga (fine, but too expensive).
To someone just starting out it may be an excellent choice, but I just look at my vst folder and think, well, I don't need it. I already have pro 53, pentagon etc.

play wrote:

Of course it's all just a matter of taste and I fully understand when people do not like Exciton. I just think that the lack of discussion obout it is strange, maybe a bit similar to spinaudio's M2. Exciton V2 has a huge bunch of new features and for the price it seems to be an outstanding synth. I wouldn't mind if it got slammed or claims of its quality would be questioned, I just thought it unfair that it wasn't talked about that much, when compared to, say, Albino. And Krim, of course you have to try out a synth before you decide if you like it or not. I just meant to say that it would have been easy to miss Exciton completely, and that seems strange.

It's easy to miss Exciton compared to Albino. 1) Linplug has a forum on this very board. 2) Rob Papen I've seen him on the forums himself. 3) Albino is actually on the shelves in a boxed version. 4) Albino has been reviewed in a magazine 5) The sounds are done by a good sound designer 6) the sound quality of Albino speaks for itself with its filters... etc etc etc. If the programmer isn't out there pushing the product, what do you expect? Nto to mention, I'm sure most of us already have a VA synth, if not several, so when it comes to spending cashola, we're probably looking for somethign a little bit different, or a machine that has a LOT of good, usable presets. Too many are working professionals that have deadlines, we have families that eat up bunches of our time, our day job eats too much into our freetime, we're not experienced patch programmers, or just plain don't give a shit about programming a synth. I can understand and relate on all of those levels over the last 8 years.

Not to mention, we've got GOBS of VA synths out there. Maybe if it was something different, people would notice more. Also, the all mighty advirtising dollar can do wonders.

Devon

bluedad wrote:

To someone just starting out it may be an excellent choice, but I just look at my vst folder and think, well, I don't need it. I already have pro 53, pentagon etc.

Bingo!

Devon

DevonB wrote:

It's easy to miss Exciton compared to Albino. 1) Linplug has a forum on this very board. 2) Rob Papen I've seen him on the forums himself. 3) Albino is actually on the shelves in a boxed version. 4) Albino has been reviewed in a magazine 5) The sounds are done by a good sound designer 6) the sound quality of Albino speaks for itself with its filters... etc etc etc. [...] Not to mention, we've got GOBS of VA synths out there. Maybe if it was something different, people would notice more. Also, the all mighty advirtising dollar can do wonders. Devon

I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but all these things would also speak against Synth1 or Superwave P8, but they got widely discussed. Ok, they're free but Exciton is dirt cheap for the quality and versatility of the filters alone IMO. I think it's fair to say that Exciton is at least on par with Synapse's Hydra and that got way more coverage.

Anyway, I agree with all the contributing factors you mention and so it's all understandable. But I still wanted to point out that at least for me and a few others here it's not just another VA but the best sounding and most usable VA, and a very affordable one to boot.

Krakatau wrote:

Considering the sound's quality, it can't be compare with imposcar...

I'd say that was a plus. As i said in the chatroom room yesterday, been messing with both demos, and thought they both sounded rough.

fuck i love this synth. always did from version 1. version 2 sounds even better. i don't know exactly what it is and in such i can't explain it but for whatever reason i find it very easy to dial a soun quickly out of this to fit into any of my mixes. The presets are fab too so a great starting point. cpu usage, is again, very reasonable. i really like the ambient textures i can get out of this..no, not a rhino, but about a quarter the cpu as well. oh, and groovecube were very cool in releasing it with a different vst identity to version 1, so they can be used alongside eachother in any host. this usually doesn't happen (until someone says something)..i wish linplug had done this with cronox, it couldn't have been that difficult to do

play wrote:

I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but all these things would also speak against Synth1 or Superwave P8, but they got widely discussed. Ok, they're free but Exciton is dirt cheap for the quality and versatility of the filters alone IMO. I think it's fair to say that Exciton is at least on par with Synapse's Hydra and that got way more coverage. Anyway, I agree with all the contributing factors you mention and so it's all understandable. But I still wanted to point out that at least for me and a few others here it's not just another VA but the best sounding and most usable VA, and a very affordable one to boot.

Eh, this is a forum. We have plenty of dead horses around here to beat on. Probably shouldn't beat Horse though, or he might get upset!

I like Superwave P8 a LOT, and I'd say I like it better than Exciton from the previous demo of 1.x that I played. The presets on Superwave were very nice, even if Krimmy thought the delay was overused. Even better, it's free. Kinda hard to compare on those grounds though.

Still, if I were starting out fresh again, it wasn't a bad synth. I've heard a LOT worse. It just gets so difficult to make yourself stand out, and I don't remember, in my opinion mind you, the presets reallly being outstanding. I remember it sounding pretty 'thick', but that was the chorus. I think I'll go take a poke at the new demo and see anyway.

Devon

i just read the thread completely and it seems that most people are not happy with exciton's presets. granted, i haven't thoroughly gone through the new pathces in the FREE version 2 upgrade, but the presets in version 1 were a big thing for me, as i think they are very good. goes to show, different strokes.........

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Kriminal Posted: 22 Dec 2003 16:33 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Krakatau wrote: Considering the sound's quality, it can't be compare with imposcar... I'd say that was a plus. As i said in the chatroom room yesterday, been messing with both demos, and thought they both sounded rough.play

Both sounded rough ?
I guess no VA can beat "microcomputer"
You WELL NAMED !!

ttoz wrote:

i just read the thread completely and it seems that most people are not happy with exciton's presets. granted, i haven't thoroughly gone through the new pathces in the FREE version 2 upgrade, but the presets in version 1 were a big thing for me, as i think they are very good. goes to show, different strokes.........

I just got done flipping through the presets on Exciton. ITs got its very own unique flavor for its sound. I kinda like it, but it's very rough to me, and very digital sounding. The pad presets are very cool though.

And now I remember playing with it months ago with the first version. I had that little talk with myself, as we all go through of 'Wow, that sounds good, but what else do I have that already does this? Is it worth it?' I ended up convincing myself out of it at the time, and looks like I'll still do the same with the new version. Didn't the old version of the demo have that annoying beep in it? Glad it's not on Version 2 of the demo at least.

Devon

DevonB wrote:

ttoz wrote: i just read the thread completely and it seems that most people are not happy with exciton's presets. granted, i haven't thoroughly gone through the new pathces in the FREE version 2 upgrade, but the presets in version 1 were a big thing for me, as i think they are very good. goes to show, different strokes......... I just got done flipping through the presets on Exciton. ITs got its very own unique flavor for its sound. I kinda like it, but it's very rough to me, and very digital sounding. The pad presets are very cool though. And now I remember playing with it months ago with the first version. I had that little talk with myself, as we all go through of 'Wow, that sounds good, but what else do I have that already does this? Is it worth it?' I ended up convincing myself out of it at the time, and looks like I'll still do the same with the new version. Didn't the old version of the demo have that annoying beep in it? Glad it's not on Version 2 of the demo at least. Devon

you're right, the pad presets are VERY cool. in part, that's one of the synths biggest strengths. cool synthetic pads with decent cpu. the only other i can think of that does comparable is the pro53. i think exciton has got quite a distinctive sound, so for me, yes, definitely worth it. it's alot of synth for your money. reliable too. never seen one denormal in it even from .0 release.

Hey it's Christmas time.

First 3 people to ask me for my commercial Exciton bank at this address : comusyd@sympatico.ca I'll send them a the bank (use the "FREE EXCITON BANK" as email subject please). I expect that the discussion should shift a bit away from the "Exciton evaluation based solely on it's presets" line.

These are NOT Exciton 2 presets, but be compatible with it.

Exsurdo wrote:

Hey it's Christmas time. First 3 people to ask me for my commercial Exciton bank at this address : comusyd@sympatico.ca I'll send them a the bank (use the "FREE EXCITON BANK" as email subject please). I expect that the discussion should shift a bit away from the "Exciton evaluation based solely on it's presets" line. These are NOT Exciton 2 presets, but be compatible with it.

commercial bank?

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commercial bank?

Yep. As much as I like to get and give free stuff, sometimes we all need a way to get a minimum of money in to keep things going. There should be some more to come.[/quote]

Exsurdo wrote:

Quote: commercial bank? Yep. As much as I like to get and give free stuff, sometimes we all need a way to get a minimum of money in to keep things going. There should be some more to come.

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i've got no problem paying for presets if i like them. i didn't mean to indicate otherwise. i just never heard of your banks before. is exction the only instrument you have made banks for so far? where are they available? did you use exction1 obviously then?
what other vsti's do you have planned? i must have been oneof the first three anyway as i got you rbank...so if i like it i will definitely be interested in your future work.

just noticed your link to your webpage now.

Exciton is my only bank available right now, but I do consider making banks for other synths as I realize that the Exciton market is a tiny bit small. But I hope it will extend with Exciton 2, providing it gets coverage from CM/FM/SOS, etc.

The sounds are for the most part bread and butter and easilly usable on a variety of styles. You'll notice that the PAD section is quite boring on first look. But the fact is that I constatly use those pads instead of huge-mix-killer pads that are fantastic alone, but useless in a mix.

Exsurdo wrote:

Exciton is my only bank available right now, but I do consider making banks for other synths as I realize that the Exciton market is a tiny bit small. But I hope it will extend with Exciton 2, providing it gets coverage from CM/FM/SOS, etc. The sounds are for the most part bread and butter and easilly usable on a variety of styles. You'll notice that the PAD section is quite boring on first look. But the fact is that I constatly use those pads instead of huge-mix-killer pads that are fantastic alone, but useless in a mix.

so will the bank work with exciton 1 as well as 2 or only 2?

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so will the bank work with exciton 1 as well as 2 or only 2?

Yep. Exciton 2 is compatible with Exciton 1 presets. Notice that the file extension has changed form BNK (Exciton 1) to BANK (Exciton 2), but Exciton 2 can load both formats.

Exsurdo wrote:

Quote: so will the bank work with exciton 1 as well as 2 or only 2? Yep. Exciton 2 is compatible with Exciton 1 presets. Notice that the file extension has changed form BNK (Exciton 1) to BANK (Exciton 2), but Exciton 2 can load both formats.

well i finally did try the patches. thanks alot
i did like the pads, and fx, and especially the leads. very low cpu. the weak link were the basses, but i've yet to hear a really good bass out of exciton anyway. it's strengths are its pads for me. overall, alot of very useful sounds. again, thanks!