www.arturia.com

cool

"Server not found"

Wk

seems to be busy...
try this:

http://www.innovativemusic.com.au/namm04.htm#minimoog

Ohh, thanks. But U$359?!

Wk

The Price is wrong.
Someone from Arturia told me it will cost 149$.

WilliamK wrote:

Ohh, thanks. But U$359?! Wk

Relax. That's AU dollar, not US. That's $279 US.... if you go by the exchange rate...

Devon

Ok...we were both wrong.
This seems to be the correct price :
http://www.tomeso.de/prod.asp?sid=$sid$&lid=1&font_flg=$font_flg$&sdid =0&did0=1&did1=146&did2=182&wpid=0&mgid=0&ptid=0&pid=91

bodyelectric wrote:

Ok...we were both wrong. This seems to be the correct price : http://www.tomeso.de/prod.asp?sid=$sid$&lid=1&font_flg=$font_flg$&sdid =0&did0=1&did1=146&did2=182&wpid=0&mgid=0&ptid=0&pid=91

So that's $217 US from Euro. Looking better.

Devon

DevonB wrote:

So that's $217 US from Euro. Looking better. Devon

Ohh yeah, we will prob see for 149/199 around the net. Not bad if it comes with a good preset selection...

Wk

*drool*

Wow Chris Huelsbeck!
I´m new to this Forum didn´t know you were here.
Still know your stuff from good old C64 days...

Good Work dude

Wow!!!!!!!!!! I'm in love.

what a GUI

skybax wrote:

what a GUI

Yeah, but what about the sound? Anybody heard a demo yet?

Peter.

pschelfh wrote:

skybax wrote: what a GUI Yeah, but what about the sound? Anybody heard a demo yet? Peter.

No Demo yet - expect one around the end of feb.

I wonder if it is monophonic only? I would love to have a poly version like my old MemoryMoog.

Robert

Isn't Gmedia doing a Mini?

Rabid wrote:

I wonder if it is monophonic only? I would love to have a poly version like my old MemoryMoog. Robert

From here
http://www.innovativemusic.com.au/namm04.htm#minimoog
" Polyphony from 2 to 32 voices, with Unison possibilities"

Looks like another beautiful, though oversized, gui from Arturia. I really wish they'd just use a standard .fxp patch browser - their proprietary version seems more trouble than its worth. And ditto for the weird idea of classifying each preset by author.

Hope we get a few mp3 demos of this one

Yes, Mp3's please.

It must have been embarrising when G-Media/Ohm Force and Arturia both showed up at NAMM wearing the same dress .

On the bright side though, I've been a huge proponent of the "we need a good minimoog" group of VST users, and now it looks like we could get two. Question is, will one be better than the other? Do I buy both? Which do I get first? This will be fun...

floyd wrote:

I really wish they'd just use a standard .fxp patch browser - their proprietary version seems more trouble than its worth. And ditto for the weird idea of classifying each preset by author.

I think they included a work-around for this last problem in the most recent updates for MMV and CS-80V. You can now browse by either patch author or instrument category. This makes it much easier to browse all the similar patches. Although it is kind of nice for sound designers to get some recognition other than in a readme.txt file somewhere that nobody will ever read or simply having their initials tacked on to the end of the patch name.

If this thing sounds even half as good as MMV or CS-80V then it's going to be very sweet indeed. God only knows it can't be further away from a Minimoog than Model-E.

I wonder how this affects Gmedia/OhmForce's plans for their Minimoog emulation. They did an amazing job on the Oddity so I'm looking forward to hearing their Mini. In the end I think this kind of competition is good for the softsynth end user. Maybe Gmedia/Ohm will put a few more ounces of sweat into their emulation.

Arturia do have one advantage: Bob Moog's endorsement and use of the Minimoog name.

I'm so glad Ohm/Gmedia decided to bring out their Moog at the same time . I'm looking forward to hearing mp3's and trying out demo's from both.
1 Minimoog will get my money, but which one .

lbn wrote:

I wonder how this affects Gmedia/OhmForce's plans for their Minimoog emulation. They did an amazing job on the Oddity so I'm looking forward to hearing their Mini.

Our Mini will have the Melohman features : morphing control from keyboard and extensive MIDI modulation, + the usual LFO/xADSR on almost every parameters.

lbn wrote:

Arturia do have one advantage: Bob Moog's endorsement and use of the Minimoog name.

We don't need that

-- Laurent

This don't want to be the same Hw vs SW but only an opinion on Arturia and Bob Moog partnership.

Bob Moog's "OK" on Arturia product is a perfect example of strategy.

Arturia is in heaven for his "ok" on MoogModularV and will be better with the announced Minimoog too.

Bob is in heaven because he knows that vst will never never never sounds like the hardware so Voyager will hype up more and more.

It's a perfect partnership... hyping each other in loop.

Can't you buy a real Moog? buy the vst... it's the "same" says Arturia (and Bob says "yes" but laughing)
Do you really really want that sound ? buy the voyager...

I played A voyager few days ago... and... well... it sound really bigger, fatter, aggressive and smoother at the same time...

What do u think about that ?

it's like when Emagic told the world they managed to make a precise simulation of the fender Rhodes in the EVP73 they had all these famous names telling us in video's it was similar to the Rhodes.

and then came Lounge Lizard

if i had to buy me a mini moog simulation and wanted to get the best deal in performance versus sound
i would wait for the Ohm Force moog. perhaps it will be less authentic sounding as the arturia (don't know about that one) - but it certainly will be less cpu heavy (judging on the other Arturia plug and some of the Ohm force demo's i played with)

yup, arturia makes cpu heavy synths alright... they sound great though - well at least the cs80 does, i don't care for the MMV much.

another main factor is price. if ohm force/gmedia undercut arturia significantly they could be the big winners.

mao wrote:

I played A voyager few days ago... and... well... it sound really bigger, fatter, aggressive and smoother at the same time... What do u think about that ?

bigger, fatter, aggressive and smoother than what?

I think the "moog" sound that people hear is a mini moog + fx, certainly many early moog recordings where used with fx, be it flanging, chorus, reverb and delay. Its certainly good for Arturia to include fx in the program, because when listeing to commerical recordings thats an added feature of the sound you hear.

Fine if your a purist you can switch it off, but I welcome the addition of fx that complement the mini moog sound.

Well I think all vsti's should have fx and as much as possible, and it is starting to go that way. All workstations have fx, the virus ... well half its sound is fx. This is an endless debate between purists and just people that want an instant wow and playability. I would certainly hope that gmedia/ohmys have fx to their beast. Oh and a programmable arp and step sequencer.

Remember your not just creating the VSTi, your creating the environment. This is something Propellerheads got right when Rebirth was not just a 303, but the correct distortion and delay fx too.

B.

This is very intresting, the Big french developers are on the minimoog, will Germany fight back (NI, where are you...)
Anyway, it's about time and the technologie is here now, so I'm waiting with pleasure.

Get ready for threads going on like "what's the best between arturia mini xxxx and ohm force mini yyyy?"

great fun in perspective.

AD80 wrote:

1 Minimoog will get my money, but which one .

In my case: cheaper.

k

mao wrote:

Bob Moog's "OK" on Arturia product is a perfect example of strategy.

Point taken! I can only hope they have a better sounding filter in the MiniMoog V but honestly I expect more from Ohm/Gmedia. The Quadfromage is already pretty remarkable.

cheers,

kybernaut

Be interesting to see how both of the newbies standup to the Creamware Minimax which is pretty much accepted as the Mini state of the art at the moment.

This is very exciting news, it seems this year IMHO there is more stuff to get excited about coming out of NAMM then years past.
The minimoog, Korg legacy, Stylus RMX to name a few.
I agree with the oversized gui for Arturia, it's just more mouse movements to navigate.Presets to me have been a weak area for them as well, except for a few talented programmers we all know and love around here.
If GmediaOhm force are on a moog emulation as well I think I'll wait because I believe they are really on to something with their Oddity,ImpOscar technology and I think their filter emulation will be topnotch.
At least finally I can stop chasing that elusive sound and have fun with a moog again.
I would love to have $2600.00 to buy a Voyager but unless I come into a large sum of money it's just out of reach for me. Unless of course Moritz would like to donate his to the Seamonkey Synth museum.

My money is on the Gmedia emulation. I would get that without even trying the demo.

Oddity and Imposcar are a solid track record.

mmm, I'm waiting for this (I hope it will sound like hardware korg!!) :

http://www.musik-meyer.net/zoido1/Anwendungen/Content/ContentKM.nsf/Te mporaer/News_mun?OpenPage

zed wrote:

mmm, I'm waiting for this (I hope it will sound like hardware korg!!) : http://www.musik-meyer.net/zoido1/Anwendungen/Content/ContentKM.nsf/Te mporaer/News_mun?OpenPage

dude, that's another thread.

Quote:

perhaps it will be less authentic sounding as the arturia (don't know about that one)

Uh!
Was MMV closer to a Moog Modular than Oddity to Oddissey? Considering hardcore users of the originals reactions I feel that so far on the authenticity track we have done well.

One word about Bob Moog: the reason why we don't want his name is because he's selling the Voyager. If we do something to good there would be a conflict of interest.

Red_Force wrote:

If we do something to good there would be a conflict of interest.

Please do not hold back! I have very high expectations for the mini emulation.

Red_Force wrote:

One word about Bob Moog: the reason why we don't want his name is because he's selling the Voyager. If we do something to good there would be a conflict of interest.

what do you mean too good?
The best is what we've come to expect from you.
Would you like my credit card # now or later?

electro wrote:

Red_Force wrote: If we do something to good there would be a conflict of interest. Please do not hold back! I have very high expectations for the mini emulation.

The day Ohm Force holds back is the day I start digging DJ Tiesto

Go Ohmies!

Red_Force wrote:

Quote: perhaps it will be less authentic sounding as the arturia (don't know about that one) Uh! Was MMV closer to a Moog Modular than Oddity to Oddissey? Considering hardcore users of the originals reactions I feel that so far on the authenticity track we have done well. One word about Bob Moog: the reason why we don't want his name is because he's selling the Voyager. If we do something to good there would be a conflict of interest.

HUGS AND KISSES

My money is still on a Model E revival !

Wow! This Namm thing is gonna kill me, first the MS20 vsti / controller - real MS20 dilemma, now this!
I have to be honest, I am a little more excited about the Arturia version of the Mini - no offence Ohm Force. A lot of people were left a little cold with the MMV, but I think it had more to do with the presets and complexity of the layout. In terms of sound quality and authenticity - I rate the MMV at the top, I have a Moog Prodigy (arguably, poor man's mini), and I have to say no other software emulation came close to the warmth and presence of my real moog than the MMV. With that said, it wasn't dead on - but pretty damn close, closer than any other soft synth in my arsenal.
Aturia shouldn't rest on their laurels though, Ohm Force can create some amazing things too - Oddity is one of my favourites.

Count Feedback wrote:

I have to be honest, I am a little more excited about the Arturia version of the Mini - no offence Ohm Force. A lot of people were left a little cold with the MMV, but I think it had more to do with the presets and complexity of the layout. In terms of sound quality and authenticity - I rate the MMV at the top, I have a Moog Prodigy (arguably, poor man's mini), and I have to say no other software emulation came close to the warmth and presence of my real moog than the MMV. With that said, it wasn't dead on - but pretty damn close, closer than any other soft synth in my arsenal. Aturia shouldn't rest on their laurels though, Ohm Force can create some amazing things too - Oddity is one of my favourites.

The Oddyssey and Minimoog are 2 of the most impt monosynth emulations. Arturia should have done a MINI, before they did a Moog Modular. We had been waiting a long time for someone to do a MINI, but got a Modular insetad. Why don't they update the MMV so that it is a dead on emulation of the Moog Modular? The Oddity is already a dead on emulation of the Oddyssey.

electro wrote:

Count Feedback wrote: I have to be honest, I am a little more excited about the Arturia version of the Mini - no offence Ohm Force. A lot of people were left a little cold with the MMV, but I think it had more to do with the presets and complexity of the layout. In terms of sound quality and authenticity - I rate the MMV at the top, I have a Moog Prodigy (arguably, poor man's mini), and I have to say no other software emulation came close to the warmth and presence of my real moog than the MMV. With that said, it wasn't dead on - but pretty damn close, closer than any other soft synth in my arsenal. Aturia shouldn't rest on their laurels though, Ohm Force can create some amazing things too - Oddity is one of my favourites. The Oddyssey and Minimoog are 2 of the most impt monosynth emulations. Arturia should have done a MINI, before they did a Moog Modular. We had been waiting a long time for someone to do a MINI, but got a Modular insetad. Why don't they update the MMV so that it is a dead on emulation of the Moog Modular? The Oddity is already a dead on emulation of the Oddyssey.

I agree completely, a version of the Mini first would be awesome, but I'm wondering if maybe there was a (legal?) conflict in releasing it around the same time as Creamware's mini emulation. I think the MMV came out around the same time as Cream's Mini - I could be wrong...
In terms of updating the MMV, I agree again - hopefully Arturia will apply those improvements to their Mini.
We could only assume...
In terms of the Oddity being a "perfect" emulation - I don't totally agree, but I beleive they got "that sound" down. Generally, I don't beleive that any two analog synths sound exactly alike (their charm), therefore - a perfect copy of "which or who's" Oddyssey or Moog?
Maybe I'm splitting hairs at this point....
Time for more coffee....

Count Feedback wrote:

A lot of people were left a little cold with the MMV, but I think it had more to do with the presets and complexity of the layout. In terms of sound quality and authenticity - I rate the MMV at the top

I agree. I think the MMV sounds very impressive, especially the filters (probably the best I've heard in software). But it just looks too damn confusing to program!

electro wrote:

The Oddity is already a dead on emulation of the Oddyssey.

Not quite. The portamento still needs to be sorted out - it doesn't 'lag' correctly...

Any price reports on either synth? Maybe I missed them in my bleery haze -up making music til after 2 - up at seven to earn money to pay for more synths. To be honest, I have products from both companies and love each one. I have to give the edge to Ohm Force for a certain je ne sais qua though, humour and sheer attitude (which counts big time for me).

Quote:

Be interesting to see how both of the newbies standup to the Creamware Minimax which is pretty much accepted as the Mini state of the art at the moment.

Toppling Minimax will be a very tough thing to do. I've heard, and been impressed, by lots and lots of vst's, but Minimax is the only softsynth that has made me say, "Holy sh*t!" It really is quite amazing.

Can you tell the difference between the Creamware, and the real MINI, given good D/A conversion @ 96Khz?

Why do you think that Creamware did an Odyssey Clone? I can understand the B3, but why an ARP synth that had already been done well native? Why not a Pro Soloist, something different.

I don't have a real mini to do a Moog/Minimax comparison with, but I'd guess that people familiar with a real mini could tell the difference. What impresses me about Minimax is not that it sounds so close to a real mini, but rather that the sound seems to have a life of its own.

Regarding Prodyssey: Lots of people have wondered the same thing.

How is the six string for e-guitar sounds? The .mp3 examples dont tell much.

In defense of Creamware I have to say that the Prodyssey sounds a lot more like the original than the Oddity does. For those who want to try themselves:
A simple example is the "Stormbringer" sound by Jon Lord. Try to program this on the Oddity first and than have a go at the Prodyssey. You`ll notice the differences quickly....

Creamware's mp3 examples never seem to do their instruments justice. I've never played Six String, but I've been thinking of downloading the demo. You might want to go over to planetz.com and read what people have to say about it. Or better yet, if you have a CW card, try the demo yourself.

My money is waiting for Model-E v2.0.

Nimmy wrote:

In defense of Creamware I have to say that the Prodyssey sounds a lot more like the original than the Oddity does. For those who want to try themselves: A simple example is the "Stormbringer" sound by Jon Lord. Try to program this on the Oddity first and than have a go at the Prodyssey. You`ll notice the differences quickly....

Apart from uncle eric you're the only person I've heard say that prodyssey sounds anything like the original. He's flogging 'em, what's your excuse?

Most mp3's at creamware's are kindly offered by Digidesign, T.C Electronic and Mackie ... !
Run a ferrari through a muddy field and run it into a manure truck then don't even make an effort to try at least to sell the engine !
Best sounds I've ever ever heard, worst marketing that can possibly be done given the winning cards ( very hard to beat )

I don't know about the real Minimoog but I have the Minimax and frankly I don't care if it's faithful to the real stuff ( sorry ) but I also know I can hardly endure any more intense sonic sensations !

My limit is Flexor by a third party dev in Creamware platform, beyond that, I have some body part failing !

I haven't tried yet the six strings ( after ski season, when some money will pour in ) and since I'am not a guitarist that wouldn't help too much ...

Prodyssey was launched winter 2002 ( as they say ) no excuse for B2003 though, I think they live in their bubble / parallel universe not linked to real world or native world, I hope their recent financial troubles will help in some ways, crossing fingers ...

Lingering rumors they are dying / dead but living dead are the most harmful if they move faster !

Nuisances, that is a great analogy to describe CW's marketing. As good as the CW stuff sounds, they should be selling thousands of their cards and synths!

And I couldn't agree more about Minimax and Flexor except for one minor addition: Minimax + Flexor + Solaris = Synth Heaven.

And definitely Solaris !
Among other talented third parties ...
They should sell more indeed !

Yup, Solaris is very powerful, and the V2 GUI is even simpler to use now

Well, since this thread's been hijacked, I'll go ahead and ask. Flametop, have you bought Solaris V2? I'm trying out the demo...very, very close to getting that credit card out.

Yes I have Solaris v2. I bought V1 and then the RD module pack so I got v2 for free.

I do love Solaris. It only really has one problem for me; I dont have enough DSPs. A full-on Solaris patch can have 6 or 8 oscs, 4 filters and a few effects. On my Pulsar II i can only get four note polyphony. It does DSP resource manage well though. If you turn components off you get to push up the number of voices.

Yeah, I noticed the high DSP usage. I also have a Pulsar II. Do you think it's redundant to have both the RD Modules and Modular 3? Maybe I don't understand the RD concept correctly, but it seems that the vast majority of RD modules are identical to Mod 3 modules. What would be the advantage of, for example, using an RD slot instead of a Modular window in the filter section?

wow that is one nice gui. the heat is on. how this will compare to cremware and ohm force's recreations, is going to be very very intersting. good news for us it seems

Joxer the Mighty wrote:

Yeah, I noticed the high DSP usage. I also have a Pulsar II. Do you think it's redundant to have both the RD Modules and Modular 3? Maybe I don't understand the RD concept correctly, but it seems that the vast majority of RD modules are identical to Mod 3 modules. What would be the advantage of, for example, using an RD slot instead of a Modular window in the filter section?

Yes they are bascially the same root atoms as the modular III, but come pre-prackaged into simple building blocks. They have their own little sub-GUIs so tweeaking them is a lot simple that opening a modular shell and altering that. They are also pretty cheap so I went for the convenience factor