http://www.access-music.de/events/01-2004/nammshow2004.php4?product=vi rusc

For some of you this is the news of the year.
Pitty it's still so expensive.

the fact that it's powercore only could tame the enthusiasm of about 99% of the people here. how did you miss that "little" detail??

There's direct link to Access site. I didn't miss anything.

uh huh

Roman Wisniak wrote:

There's direct link to Access site. I didn't miss anything.

oh but of course....and the thread title wasn't misleading in anyway

It's not a VSTi? Then we can continue to bitch.

Banjostar wrote:

It's not a VSTi? Then we can continue to bitch.

well it would come up as a vsti in your host environment, but you'd need a powercore card to do the processing. i'm ok, as i plan on getting a core, but for other countless members, they would have momentarily wet their pants with glee until the powercore bit. that's why i wrote it, to stop people getting too excited

I just wanted to share a news. That's all. You can judge by yourself if it's a VSTi or not. I'm sorry for misleading you.

It´s a "POWER(core)-VSTi"


Power to the people !!!


Virus for all

Man, now I've got to go change my pants....powercore only....

this is the 3rd or 4th thread on this at kvr...

come on ppl.. search the forums before posting "new" info..

it only makes matters worse in that you trump it up as if its a native vsti.. and its not.

wtf is a powercore?

VitaminD wrote:

this is the 3rd or 4th thread on this at kvr... come on ppl.. search the forums before posting "new" info.. it only makes matters worse in that you trump it up as if its a native vsti.. and its not.

c'mon d, lighten up! you know we love to talk about this stuff.

MacNastyman wrote:

wtf is a powercore?

Is a PCI card, or Firewire external device, that runs the Virus plugin, plus other stuff. Around 500U$ for the card only, if I'm not mistaken. But comes with good stuff.

http://www.tcelectronic.com/PowerCore

Wk

Roman Wisniak wrote:

I just wanted to share a news. That's all. You can judge by yourself if it's a VSTi or not. I'm sorry for misleading you.

y'know theres till time to CHANGE the topic title to 'powercore vsti finally'

If I'm not totally mistaken I think there is a certain amount of delay with DSP powered instrument plugins like the ones designed for Powercore and Pulsar.. Not good for live use .. please correct me if I'm wrong though..

opiadream wrote:

Roman Wisniak wrote: I just wanted to share a news. That's all. You can judge by yourself if it's a VSTi or not. I'm sorry for misleading you. y'know theres till time to CHANGE the topic title to 'powercore vsti finally'

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exactly.

jtstatic wrote:

If I'm not totally mistaken I think there is a certain amount of delay with DSP powered instrument plugins like the ones designed for Powercore and Pulsar.. Not good for live use .. please correct me if I'm wrong though..

Hauling a desktop around isn't much good for live use either, anyway... And if you want a virus for live use they have, what, 5 hardware versions of it to choose from...

The delay is rather small BTW, at least for the UAD.

Anyway I'm all for more DSP-card plugs, don't know why people don't like them... Costs money but it's worth it, some nice plugs on those things and takes the load off your CPU so you've got more room for more native plugs (most of the good sounding ones use a ton of CPU it seems...)

contrast wrote:

Anyway I'm all for more DSP-card plugs, don't know why people don't like them...

I wouldn't mind if the cards worked on all of my VST plugs. Perhaps some genius coder could work out a way to do that?

jtstatic wrote:

If I'm not totally mistaken I think there is a certain amount of delay with DSP powered instrument plugins like the ones designed for Powercore and Pulsar.. Not good for live use .. please correct me if I'm wrong though..

This isn't the case, these two cards have zero latency when you are working in the correct modes. For the Powercore, you have to activate the card to work in real-time mode otherwise there will be latency added by your sequencer. What's nice about this is that you use it this way while performing the take & then switch the card back to normal mode when it comes time to mix.

As for Pulsar, it defaults to working in real-time SFP mode. You can then switch it to XTC mode for use from within your sequencer (with added latency). You need to reconfigure everything when switching between the modes, which really can be a pain, but hopefully CW will get the direct mode working properly so that it will operate in the same way as the Powercore.

btw, UA is looking to add such a direct mode to the UAD-1, too.

btw, wtf is wrong with the title? This forum is dedicated to supporting open standards, not to open standards so long as they run natively. If the latter were the case, then there's really no reason why both Mac & PC software should be represented here if they don't run on both (which, ironically enough, would make all these dsp plug-ins eligible for posting).

Uncle E: you're right, my creamware card gives this kind of direct option too.. you just can't use any VST effects with the synth signal and have to do final mixing with delay. I'm not sure how powercore works but with creamware cards you can also use your synth in non VST mode (SFP mode) and route it through virtual inputs to your sequencer and handle it like you would with "real hardware synth" this way of course it would be possible to do real time mixing with effects as well.. anyway most of the time I think this is too much hassle and I rarely use any of my DSP based plugins anymore (allthough creamware masterverb indeed sounds sweet, but I have spinaudio roomverb, so..).

You don't have a sequencer with PDC? Nearly all the plug-ins I use these days are dsp-based & I don't see any added complications caused by using them over native effects.

people can emulate playstations, arcade machines, even pc or mac emulators.

so im sure it wouldnt be too hard for someone to emulate a powercore.

but somehow i dont think anyone would be interested in it. but i bet if it did get emulated, access would soon release a proper virus vsti.

after all, we all know what people do with emulators

cold c wrote:

I wouldn't mind if the cards worked on all of my VST plugs. Perhaps some genius coder could work out a way to do that?

Yeah, it's called upgrade your CPU.

Forever,




Kim.

Jeez wrote:

cold c wrote: I wouldn't mind if the cards worked on all of my VST plugs. Perhaps some genius coder could work out a way to do that? Yeah, it's called upgrade your CPU.

Thanks kim,
I've already done that, I still want more power/headroom to be honest, probably because the developers are also choosing to increase the quality + CPU usage at the same time.

Has a powercore plugin ever gone on to be be released on other platforms (i.e. VSTi, AudioUnits)? Surely Access are missing out on a massive market by not supporting other (more popular) standards??

Jeez wrote:

cold c wrote: I wouldn't mind if the cards worked on all of my VST plugs. Perhaps some genius coder could work out a way to do that? Yeah, it's called upgrade your CPU.

10 GHZ cpus are out now?? wow.. I didnt know..

You can never have too much processing power.. a card that could power native plugins would be very interesting

VitaminD wrote:

Jeez wrote: cold c wrote: I wouldn't mind if the cards worked on all of my VST plugs. Perhaps some genius coder could work out a way to do that? Yeah, it's called upgrade your CPU. 10 GHZ cpus are out now?? wow.. I didnt know.. You can never have too much processing power.. a card that could power native plugins would be very interesting

I don't know about ever having too much processing power but you can certainly have enough.....

A 3.2gig P4 with 2 gig of RAM, a couple of fast hard drives, 2 Powerpulsars, 2 UAD-1's and a couple of Powercores running SX2 and a few VSTi's sounds like all the processing power a tune needs.

I don't know what Fx & Synths your running thats hogging your CPU so that you feel like you haven't got enough but I reckon using the synths like Minimax, Modular III & Pro 1 from the Pulsar, the Comps & EQ's from the UAD-1's and the Verbs etc from the Powercores instead of the 'equivelent' native versions should leave the host CPU free enough to run the things the DSP cards don't.

Oh and I doubt you will be disapointed with their quality either.

Just MHO.

Soz, double post.

VitaminD wrote:

You can never have too much processing power.. a card that could power native plugins would be very interesting

Amen. i still donbt understand why that hasn't come.we're seeing all these new products that are somehow aimed that way, like theneko that runs stndard vst, the plugzilla thingie, and i know there are a couple of others but i forget the names. but all of these really need their own monitor, and physical outputs! why oh why can't someone release a powercore firewire type thingy, but with a bitchin amd 64 cpu and you can just run all your fave plugs within your host as normal but the dsp is done on the external firwire unit? i would get this in a heartbeat. goodbye fx teleport, multiple pc's, etc

Hmm, shuttle PC, firewire networking, FX teleport, voila! Cheap.

griels wrote:

Hmm, shuttle PC, firewire networking, FX teleport, voila! Cheap.

And that second PC can be started and run without keyboard and monitor, right? No, I don't want to buy those keybd/monitor switches. I could buy a VST for that money.

V.

TennesseeVic wrote:

griels wrote: Hmm, shuttle PC, firewire networking, FX teleport, voila! Cheap. And that second PC can be started and run without keyboard and monitor, right? No, I don't want to buy those keybd/monitor switches. I could buy a VST for that money. V.

Not heard of UltraVNC?

http://ultravnc.sourceforge.net/

Pro-Sounds wrote:

Has a powercore plugin ever gone on to be be released on other platforms (i.e. VSTi, AudioUnits)? Surely Access are missing out on a massive market by not supporting other (more popular) standards??

Perhaps, but both it & the Powercore use Motorola DSP's so the port is much simpler. Also, the Powercore is a better form of copy protection than any currently available for native plugs.

ttoz wrote:

Amen. i still donbt understand why that hasn't come.

It's actually fairly simple. Any VSTi can do whatever it likes, up to and including checking what devices are connected to your machine. An expansion card would have to have complete access to the hardware and OS of your machine. In other words, it'd need to be second processor.