This thing sounds pretty darn good.


http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=1330

It sounds very impressing!

I'm surprised this discussion is almost on page 2.
I would've thought everyone would be on this like white on rice.
time for a bump
I only listened very quickly this morning and the bass was ok and some of the fx was cool, the only thing I really heard-moog like was a patch which reminded me pretty closely to a memorymoog string pad.
Will have to listen on headphones with more time and I may change my mind.
What'd you all think?

So far, so good. Although I won't have a real educated opinion of this until the actual demo comes out. Mp3's aren't the best way to verify a VSTI's fidelity or usability.
But I will say this (and I've said it before), if Arturia's MMV is any indicator of how the Mini will sound - it should be pretty kick-ass!

yeah, I agree with you Count, it's not gonna be the best quality audio demo.

It will be an ok emulation, I suppose. Nothing more nothing less. Some magazine should test it against the Minimax

kybernaut

that demo track is definately a mistake. I almost wrote the damn thing off based on that alone. Then I thought bout it a bit more and have decided to try the demo when it comes out. But that track... sheesh! I sure hope the product sounds better than that.

Well I wasn't that impressed when I listened to the early mp3's of ImpOscar, but when the demo was released and I got to try it...I nearly wet myself.

I will have to wait to pass judgement...but I won't be making a decision until I see what GMedia/OhmForce bring to the table.

nF

That should be a minimoog VSTi?

ditto on the imposcar!!! That has got to be one of the best virtual instrumnts out there, on any platform. (imho )

Hm, could very well be a Pro-53 or a Z3ta+.
I guess I'll have to wait for the demo.

Anyway, as much as I'm a analogue-enthusiast it´s my
opinion that Moogs are very overrated.
Yes, they are amazing, but I never understood the hype
about them.
Take my Pro-One ; I would never exchange her for a MiniMoog.
It's a matter of taste, yes... but no way.

I do own a Creamware NOAH (and what a lovely machine it is!!!)but I do plan to purchase the MiniV as well
to do a thorough comparison. The results will be posted here.
Nimmy

nBeat wrote:

...Take my Pro-One ; I would never exchange her for a MiniMoog. It's a matter of taste, yes... but no way.

Bang on! Nor would I!



(...if I still had it )

I think the mp3 sounds pretty good. I still need to try the real demo tho.

More emulations that don't suit my style. I'll pass judgement once I play with the demo though.

Devon

Beta testing Arturia's Minimoog right now. I love making patches for it, and I love the sound. It is as fat as my Spectrasonics Atmosphere Moog samples. Seriously. Looks like you're going to see a bunch of patches from well-known sound designers, and not-well-known sound designers (me ). I'll try to post a link to a demo song after I write one to show off some of my patches.

Please do that .

Please do that .

Post a simple patch with filter modulation. Post the .wav if possible, if not encode the file at a very high rate in .wma.

Maybe someone with a real MINI can post the same simple patch for A/B comparison.

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Beta testing Arturia's Minimoog right now. I love making patches for it, and I love the sound. It is as fat as my Spectrasonics Atmosphere Moog samples. Seriously. Looks like you're going to see a bunch of patches from well-known sound designers, and not-well-known sound designers (me ). I'll try to post a link to a demo song after I write one to show off some of my patches.

Alfalfa, d' U know when a demo version'll be ready ?
(Just can't wait...)

Okay, here is a project using 7 instances of the Minimoog.

The song is "1971 to 2004" located here:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/chrislaurencemusic.htm

I can't upload wave files to soundclick, and I doubt that I'd be authorized from Arturia to post one anyway. I don't know when it's going to be released, and I don't know when a demo version will be available. Sorry about the lack of information guys, but hey, I'm only testing the synth, writing some patches and enjoying the synth a little bit before the rest of you all.

I hope that this song gives you a feel for the synth. I like it. What else can I say?

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Thanx for these examples alalfa! Sounds interesting. I have a special questian about the filter:

Does it have this typical warm overdrive when setting up high resonance?? Listen to this sound example (Minimoog on the left channel, creamware minimax on the right):

Could you please reproduce such a sweep with the Arturia Minimoog?

Thanx a bunch!

kybernaut

Great job on the demo song Alfalfa and the drumming really kicked ass.
I think it had a nice clean bottom end to it. The only patch I didn't care for was the one with a lot of resonance in it.
Thanks for sharing a sonic sneak peak.

kybernaut wrote:

Thanx for these examples alalfa! Sounds interesting. I have a special questian about the filter: Does it have this typical warm overdrive when setting up high resonance?? Listen to this sound example (Minimoog on the left channel, creamware minimax on the right): Code: http://download.keyboards.de/2003/03/creamware/minimax_3.mp3 Could you please reproduce such a sweep with the Arturia Minimoog? Thanx a bunch! kybernaut

Its a lot better to post files 1 after the other instead of 1 on the left and 1 on the right.

It's encoded in dual-mono... just open it in a wave editor of your choice to get the original mono files...

Again... on the left is an original Minimoog, I'm really interested how the upcoming emulations will cope with that. Next thing on the agenda is filter FM in the audio range...

kybernaut wrote:

Some magazine should test it against the Minimax kybernaut

this is what i want to know. the creamware one is apparently the one to beat. but also the ohmforce one is on its way. a comparison of all 3 would be the best. btw, kybernaut, why do you say it will only be an "ok" emulation?

ttoz wrote:

btw, kybernaut, why do you say it will only be an "ok" emulation?

I'm no beta tester, I was only judging from the first demo that was postet. In fact, such dry examples are pretty useful for getting a feeling of how a synth sounds. Comparing it to anything that I heard from the Minimoog and the Minimax, this sounds rather weak. Kind of band limited and too clean, in a way. The Minimoog is one of those synths where almost everything you set up sounds gorgeous, so especially such minimalistic electro stuff shouldn't sound the way it did on the arturia mp3 example.

The mini:ohm will probably be the better emulation, judging from quadfromage, oddity, and impOSCar. The Arturia folks built a remarkable synth with the modular V but it missed authenticity, and thats not only me saying this.

Another very interesting candidate in this game will be the upcoming VAZ modular 3. It always sounded very convincing and the new ladder filter puts it into a position where testing it against other minimoog clones could be interesting (this is just speculation, I don't know how good the ladder filter sounds).

It remains exciting...

kybernaut

hhmm, it has become pretty quiet lately. Any news? Or has Arturia interdicted the posting of audio examples?

kybernaut

electro wrote:

Post a simple patch with filter modulation. Post the .wav if possible, if not encode the file at a very high rate in .wma. Maybe someone with a real MINI can post the same simple patch for A/B comparison.

Hi all

We have a minimoog and can try this if you like - what exactly needs to be done?

Here is a little audio clip of a moog patch from a competiting soft synth... It's pretty close I would say... And this is not even the upcoming v3...

http://www.geocities.com/analog_toys/files/what_synth.mp3

Cheers,

kybernaut

[never mind]

kybernaut wrote:

Here is a little audio clip of a moog patch from a competiting soft synth... It's pretty close I would say... And this is not even the upcoming v3... http://www.geocities.com/analog_toys/files/what_synth.mp3 Cheers, kybernaut

Wich softsynth is this?

/Kire

That's vaz modular 2.5!!
I'm impatiently waiting for v3

martB ¦¬)

It´s funny but, being the owner of Vaz 2010 and Vaz Modular i´m feeling so relaxed when i listen to demo songs from all these yesteryear clones.

THANKYOU Martin (Father of Vaz)

Ole

Make your own picture of Arturia's latest subtractive synthesizer... Trials are online now.

OOOOHH Goodie!
I'm downloading the demo right now...
The wait is almost over - now I can see (hear) for myself!
This should be fun!! (bursts of white noise aside.. )

Worth the price just for the tilt animation

The good:
Sounds cool!
Nice to see they included an FX version!! Moog filters - on everything!!!

The bad:
Boy, this is making my AMD Athlon 1.2 GHZ machine choke a bit!
The GUI is kinda distorted, and the knobs have choppy response. I hope Arturia addresses these issues soon.

If Arturia's developers are reading this (I feel like I'm beta-testing here), my system specs are:

AMD Athlon 1.2 Ghz
Matrox Millennium G450
512 Megs SDRam
1 x 20 Gig Maxtor 7200 RPM - Programs
1 x 40 Gig Maxtor 7200 RPM - Audio
Iwill KK266 Plus Motherboard
Logic Audio Platinum 5.5.1

Still I have to try it in a proper system, but so far sounds quite impressive, specially the arpeggios and basses. All the presets sound quite usable actually.

Yes there are a few GUI glitches, like the names in the control matrix can hardly be read etc. The animation in the panel is cool!

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Boy, this is making my AMD Athlon 1.2 GHZ machine choke a bit!

mmm... I'm begining to see what's the hog feature: It's the "soft clipping"!! A preset can go from 7% to 50% (Athlon 1800 here) when turned on

I don´t get the point of this maybe it's an early release syndrome bug

this is excellent. more of a trance synth than vanguard

Tried the demo and I must say Im not satisfied at all. Nothing wrong with the sound but the synth is a bloody resource hog! Just like MMV, CS-80V and now this one. I surely hope they address this ASAP!!! Cause I would NOT pay a single penny for something that eats my P4 2.4ghz processor like a kid eats candy behind mommys back.
And I´m not the only one with this problem, I´m sure. It´s even worse for my flatmate, he´s on a AMD 1.7ghz.

Turning off the soft clipping feature helps some, but its far far FAR from "ok". Exactly what does the soft clipping feature do?

If I didn´t know how to be patient and knew less about VST I´d say this synth was a total failure despite the fact that it sounds awesome! The alternatives to this synth suddenly becomes more interesting in a way...

Too bad for Arturia, great for the competitors.

Anakha wrote:

If I didn´t know how to be patient and knew less about VST I´d say this synth was a total failure despite the fact that it sounds awesome! The alternatives to this synth suddenly becomes more interesting in a way... Too bad for Arturia, great for the competitors.

Good point!
And another reason to wait for the OhmForce/Gmedia Minimoog and see what the quality/CPU ratio will be like on that.

Holy f**k. I just tried out the demo and it sounds awesome but it's eating half my cpu load using 1 note with the soft clipping on It's outragous.

I think i'll be sticking to imposcar from now on.

If you want to be really blown away then layer MinimoogV AND Vanguard!!! I've just tried it and maybe I have to look for another flat now...BUT IT's OK FOR THIS EVENT!!!

Haha, some dingaling linked the Cs80 demo to the Mini on their page. Ooops! And the France site doesn't work. Guess I'll have to wait.

Devon

Worked around it by building my own link. PC Version for US site if you need it.

ftp://ftp.arturia.net/pub/downloads/win/minimoogv_demowin.exe

Devon

Beat me to it, was gonna put up the ftp site too...

Yeah it sounds great, I had 3 instances going one doing a bass, the other appreg, and a ripping lead. It was at 25% on my AMD 2400, but activating the soft clipping on the lead made it go to 40% cpu.

Since we are being sold the "mini moog" i'm curious if anybody has yet compared it to either a real moog or moog voyager, or i'll wait for a magazine to do this WHICH THEY NEVER DID WITH THE MOOG V NOR CS-80.
I'm only told how it sounds like one but well, i'm too young and dont have one in front of me. All i've got for comparison is mastered multitrack artist CDs so its hardly fair is it.

Tachi.

There was no A/B -ing of the MMV and a Moog Modular system, but at least some mags wrote about the differences in sound. Look here, for example.:

http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_arturiamoog_modular_macwin/index.htm

Incredible true MiniMoog sound.
Many presets are very good and usefull.
The UI is nice but is a bit blurred.
The filter isn't enough smooth(you hear those annoying digital steps!)

Scot and I compared the MMV vs a Moog Rogue. Pretty damn close, but not quite there, you could still hear a slight difference (meaning bring it down to its simplist components and comparing apples to apples here, since obviously a Rogue and a MMV are worlds apart in amount of 'stuff' you get.) Tera 2 was much closer. Need to compare back to back the Mini vs the Rogue to see myself.

They're getting there, slowly but surely. The digital 'blur' is starting to go away.

Devon

It always has to do with what kind of Moog sounds you are after. Personally, I like punchy basses and high resonance settings and audio range crossmodulation. All this sounds fake on Arturia synths.

Just tried it against my Noah Minimax and the Minimax wipes the floor with it in terms of nailing
the Minimoog sound. Sorry to say this because I love
the CS80V and the Modular but Arturia have done better before.

DevonB wrote:

Scot and I compared the MMV vs a Moog Rogue. Pretty damn close, but not quite there, you could still hear a slight difference (meaning bring it down to its simplist components and comparing apples to apples here, since obviously a Rogue and a MMV are worlds apart in amount of 'stuff' you get.) Tera 2 was much closer. Need to compare back to back the Mini vs the Rogue to see myself. They're getting there, slowly but surely. The digital 'blur' is starting to go away. Devon

Interesting,
I just did a quick apples to oranges comparison between the Arturia Mini and my Moog Prodigy. This comparison is obviously not lab accurate, as I've never had a chance to directly compare my Prodigy with a real Mini.
Arturia got a couple oscillators pretty dead on ie; narrow rectangular, sawtooth, but I find the triangular oscillator a lot raspier on the Prodigy than that of the Mini's - in a good way - in my opinion...
The filter response on the mini is waaaay choppy! I don't know if it's my system - but I've never heard a cutoff knob chop-up in such large increments!
I hate say this, but so far Arturia's mini makes me wanna reach for my Prodigy!
I'm curious what OhmForce is gonna come up with in their mini...

cool sound but ridiculous CPU Hog with everything turned on I go up to 80% of my slow 533 G4

how the hell am I supposed to write tracks with only one monophonic VA synth

and in Cubase VST 5.1r1/32 on a G4 533 running OS-9.2.2 it cuts out the soundfor everything and have to re-start Cubase to get back the sound..none of my VSties do that

flametop wrote:

Worth the price just for the tilt animation

Anyone heard what the price is gonna be?

Count Feedback wrote:

DevonB wrote: Scot and I compared the MMV vs a Moog Rogue. Pretty damn close, but not quite there, you could still hear a slight difference (meaning bring it down to its simplist components and comparing apples to apples here, since obviously a Rogue and a MMV are worlds apart in amount of 'stuff' you get.) Tera 2 was much closer. Need to compare back to back the Mini vs the Rogue to see myself. They're getting there, slowly but surely. The digital 'blur' is starting to go away. Devon Interesting, I just did a quick apples to oranges comparison between the Arturia Mini and my Moog Prodigy. This comparison is obviously not lab accurate, as I've never had a chance to directly compare my Prodigy with a real Mini. Arturia got a couple oscillators pretty dead on ie; narrow rectangular, sawtooth, but I find the triangular oscillator a lot raspier on the Prodigy than that of the Mini's - in a good way - in my opinion... The filter response on the mini is waaaay choppy! I don't know if it's my system - but I've never heard a cutoff knob chop-up in such large increments! I hate say this, but so far Arturia's mini makes me wanna reach for my Prodigy! I'm curious what OhmForce is gonna come up with in their mini...

I wasn't talking about the Mini, I was talking about the MMV. Besides, each analog has its unique character, synth to synth anyway. We're talking about voltage, and anything that changes voltage whether components degrading over time, to simple things like temperature of the unit, to humidity, etc. each unit is going to sound different, period. They are getting there to 'nailing' that analog sound, but even then, some analogs sound better than others on top of that.

Devon

If the Oddity is any indication, Gmedia's Mini will sound like the real thing....

I agree, Devon. I worked on a range of Moog gear, both the stuff that Bob himself built all the way to the Norlin offerings and beyond.

If you were to be given the chance to review and compare the minimoogV to the Minimoogs that they used, I'm sure you will hear some very, VERY close approximations. I'm not sure that the cross modulation thing is going to apply unless you're able to tune the virtual circuits like the analog circuits need to be tweaked in order to be consistent from machine to machine.

I've heard people compare the CS-80V to their own CS-80 and how the ring modulator sounds lightly different with the same settings. Good luck trying to get two CS-80s to stay in tune, let alone match ring mod calibration. Nit picking a non-Minimoog as being "better" than this emulation is not really the point. You're used to whatever it it you're used to... anything else "doesn't sound as good". It's a "grass is greener" effect.

The Moog Voyager is the best Minimoog ever. Period. Arturia's minimoogV is darn close to the real thing and will continue to get closer as they continue to optimize. I like the look and feel and the sound is pertty good. The zipper noise heard when sweeping the filter is likely from tranlation of MIDI/VST automation data, and they'll put some form of smoothing algorithm on it. It's not uncommon to deal with that with a real Minimoog, too, as I've had to solder in my share of capacitors betwen MIDI/CV convertors and and a Mini's filter mod input. This is why the publish a demo, folks - to work out the last of the bugs... give it time. Remember, it's software.

realmarco wrote:

cool sound but ridiculous CPU Hog with everything turned on I go up to 80% of my slow 533 G4 how the hell am I supposed to write tracks with only one monophonic VA synth and in Cubase VST 5.1r1/32 on a G4 533 running OS-9.2.2 it cuts out the soundfor everything and have to re-start Cubase to get back the sound..none of my VSties do that

I think its time to upgrade.. seriously.

533 mhz on any platform is wimpy these days.. I wouldnt expect software developers to cater to those with low system specs forever.. I'd hope you wouldnt either.

I'm wondering if the K. Shulze presets are create by the same Klaus Schulze who was responsible of both " Timewind " and "Moondawn " LP's during seventies ?

HHaynes wrote:

This is why the publish a demo, folks - to work out the last of the bugs... give it time. Remember, it's software.

No....the minimoogV is done - not that they won't update it in the future. The demo IS the finished product with demo limitations.

Krakatau wrote:

I'm wondering if the K. Shulze presets are create by the same Klaus Schulze who was responsible of both " Timewind " and "Moondawn " LP's during seventies ?

Indeed it is the same Klaus Schulze...former Tangerine Dream/Ashra Tempel member, and with an astounding solo career. One of the absolutely colossal figures of electronic music...

You will also note presets from Geoff Downes, the keyboardist who kicked off MTV's life (is that a good or a bad thing?), as one half of the Buggles, and later taking up keybaord duties for Yes as well as being a founding member of Asia.

Scot Solida wrote:

Indeed it is the same Klaus Schulze...former Tangerine Dream/Ashra Tempel member, and with an astounding solo career. One of the absolutely colossal figures of electronic music...

isnt it only ~6 or 7 am over there??

VitaminD wrote:

Scot Solida wrote: Indeed it is the same Klaus Schulze...former Tangerine Dream/Ashra Tempel member, and with an astounding solo career. One of the absolutely colossal figures of electronic music... isnt it only ~6 or 7 am over there??

Man...I suffer from the worst kind of insomnia...the kind that is hard wired into many of the folks born in farm country...I am awake and working by 5 AM every day...

Scot Solida wrote:

Krakatau wrote: I'm wondering if the K. Shulze presets are create by the same Klaus Schulze who was responsible of both " Timewind " and "Moondawn " LP's during seventies ? Indeed it is the same Klaus Schulze...former Tangerine Dream/Ashra Tempel member, and with an astounding solo career. One of the absolutely colossal figures of electronic music... You will also note presets from Geoff Downes, the keyboardist who kicked off MTV's life (is that a good or a bad thing?), as one half of the Buggles, and later taking up keybaord duties for Yes as well as being a founding member of Asia.

solida and schulze presets
and you still say i dont need anythin else

I've just tried the demo. It sounds SO GOOD!!!

btw, Scott... your presets are just awesome, specially etherbunny, quite responsive

regards!

Thanks, lanark! I am glad you like them...That's very good to hear!

Scot Solida wrote:

Man...I suffer from the worst kind of insomnia...the kind that is hard wired into many of the folks born in farm country...I am awake and working by 5 AM every day...

Boy, does that explain a lot.

the demo sounds brilliant... you bastards!!!!

what has my wallet done to deserve this

HHaynes wrote:

Nit picking a non-Minimoog as being "better" than this emulation is not really the point. You're used to whatever it it you're used to... anything else "doesn't sound as good". It's a "grass is greener" effect.

If you were referring to my comparison between the Moog Prodigy and Arturia's Mini , I may have not made my point clear enough.

When I said Aruria's Mini made me want to reach for my Prodigy, I was referring to the choppiness of the response of the plugin compared to the smoothness of the hardware Prodigy.

I don't recall the MMV behaving as sluggishly as the Mini - so what's up with that?

As I said before, it was an "Apples to Oranges" comparison. I was comparing to the two units at the lowest level - oscillators for general "Mooginess". I was just curious to see how similar or different they may sound. And I was suprised how close some of them were!

I'm not saying that the Prodigy is a better synth than the Mini, it's different.

Hell, if someone offered to trade me a working Mini for my Prodigy, I'd be crazy not to go for it!
Ahhh, but we can dream....

Count Feedback wrote:

When I said Aruria's Mini made me want to reach for my Prodigy, I was referring to the choppiness of the response of the plugin compared to the smoothness of the hardware Prodigy. I don't recall the MMV behaving as sluggishly as the Mini - so what's up with that?

Off the cuff, I would have reiterated that it's an unfair comparison to compare a software emulation's control mechanism (i.e. MIDI values that "step" a control through 127 values) against an analog piece of gear. I've run into this before, where a particular MIDI controller only polls the continuous control inputs a few times per second, and therefore the resulting sound it at the mercy of a "choppy" value update.

On the other hand, if you've compared the MMV to the minimoogV with all other things being equal, I could see some small reason for hesitancy. However, considering that they got it so right with the MMV, and the minimoogV is not a production release yet - I can imagine that they can smooth those sorts of things out. Although they could have reused some of the DSP in the minimoogV that they learned while doing the MMV, I can still see where they're different enough that something like that could be overlooked in a pre-release version.

I just think that dismissing a softsynth on those grounds is a bit premature.

realmarco wrote:

cool sound but ridiculous CPU Hog with everything turned on I go up to 80% of my slow 533 G4

What's rediculous is expecting today/tomorrow's soft synths to work with yesterday's technology!

Quote:

how the hell am I supposed to write tracks with only one monophonic VA synth

Did you actually use the minimoog v demo? There is a polyphonic switch in the output section. So it's not just a monophonic VA.

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I just think that dismissing a softsynth on those grounds is a bit premature.

Actually, I'm not dismissing the Arturia's Mini at all. I was just calling it as I saw it.... A very buggy early version of a potentially great plugin!

VitaminD wrote:

realmarco wrote: cool sound but ridiculous CPU Hog with everything turned on I go up to 80% of my slow 533 G4 how the hell am I supposed to write tracks with only one monophonic VA synth and in Cubase VST 5.1r1/32 on a G4 533 running OS-9.2.2 it cuts out the soundfor everything and have to re-start Cubase to get back the sound..none of my VSties do that I think its time to upgrade.. seriously. 533 mhz on any platform is wimpy these days.. I wouldnt expect software developers to cater to those with low system specs forever.. I'd hope you wouldnt either.

funnny!

then all my plugins are from a different ERa?

let's comeout with the truth..the truth is that arturia can't code with optimization
I bet they pratically coded their stuff in MS word!

realmarco wrote:

funnny! then all my plugins are from a different ERa?

yes.

realmarco wrote:

let's comeout with the truth..the truth is that arturia can't code with optimization I bet they pratically coded their stuff in MS word!

nahh let's REALLY comeout with the truth which is... there are g4 1.25ghz machines as well as G5 1.6-2 ghz systems out and about.. your 533 has been available since jan of 2001 - a fossil.

and you're complaning because your aged relic doesnt run today's software? jeeez

VitaminD wrote:

.. your 533 has been available since jan of 2001 - a fossil.

A three year old computer is like a 30 year old car.

Like it or not, if ya wanna play, ya hasta pay!

Arturia synths are known as CPU hogs. This is a fact and has nothing to do with your computer being too old...

There are loads of examples of well optimized virtual analog synths. And the MMV doesn't sound THAT different to existing ones.

Minimoog V versus Hardware Minimoog. What is the verdict?

I have the Modular V and love it....i havent tried the minimoog yet but ....why....the minimoog was designed to be a cutdown of the moog modular. why would i want that.....just some food for thought. also i do think that the arturia stuff is awesome. i used to have a Moog Rogue with Jenton electronics CV to Midi converter. i loved it ....the sound....but i also loved preset management. thats the whole reason why i am digiital today.

electro wrote:

Minimoog V versus Hardware Minimoog. What is the verdict?

When each hardware Minimoog is going to sound different from each other because of age, how exactly do you plan on comparing this? Either ya like the sound, or ya don't. I wouldn't worry too much about if it sounds like your mates Minimoog, personally, because it ain't gonna match perfectly.

Devon

electro wrote:

Minimoog V versus Hardware Minimoog. What is the verdict?

minimoogV advantages over the Model D Minimoog

• as stable as you want it to be
  
• presets
  
• VST automation
  
• selectable polyphony
  
• stereo chorus and delay
  
• arpeggiator
  
• MIDI sync of time-based features
  
• modulation matrix
  
• can be used as a VST effect to route the external audio through the VCF
  
• selectable soft clipping to reduce CPU usage
  
• it's software (some will think that a detriment, but not me)

Need I say more? Did I miss anything?

HHaynes wrote:

Need I say more? Did I miss anything?

You missed a few.

No costly repairs.
Consistent sound.
Lot cheaper.
Stable tuning.
Multiple instances don't cost more money (unless it's a CPU issue. )

Devon

Why would anyone want this new Moog when Moog V is better for a similar price? Or am I wrong?

I agree with the positive list above! Further the most important thing is the FEELING of Moog-sound. Nearly none of us ever heard a Moog pure in a song. It has been eq'ed, compressed, maximized, delayed, reverbed and...have I forgotten something? Especially the Moog-sound has to be influenced, because of the filter behaviour when you turn on Emphasis ( Resonance ) - the volume decreases dramatically! A friend of mine called me yesterday to tell me that he compared a "real" Mini with the Arturia demo. He said it comes really close in an A/B-comparison - excepting the noise bursts! It's not identic, but very, very close! What do you want more? If you'll buy a Minimoog D, for example, it sounds different from another one that I would like to buy. The sound differs from one zo another. And the price: Did you ever tried to buy a fully functional Minimoog? It's 1000-1500€ for a synth that has been manufactured decenniums ago...!
Another point is the comparison to MMV. Of course is the sound similar - basically. Minimoog was the mobile solution for the stage. Therefore it's been manufactured! But it's not the same. My statement: I LIKE THIS THING! ( The real one AND the more practical and much cheaper version from Arturia! )

I'm having fun with the demo, I like the interface and I like the sound. I'm also surprised at just how much this synth sounds like the VAZ synths.

Montana wrote:

Why would anyone want this new Moog when Moog V is better for a similar price? Or am I wrong?

What's the "new Moog" and what's the "Moog V" here?

thorau wrote:

Another point is the comparison to MMV. Of course is the sound similar - basically. Minimoog was the mobile solution for the stage. Therefore it's been manufactured! But it's not the same.

So that would be: Install the MMV on your desktop computer and the Minimoog V on your laptop!

Really funny! I had to laugh about this kind of philosophical joke until I was cou-ghi-ng! I like your kind of humor, seriously!!!

Has anyone bought this yet? It is listed as Euro 199 but how much is shipping?

Are they going to adjust the interface (remove the empty black space at the bottom and sides, use a "hideable" keyboard etc.)?

Also, the positions of some of the dials are not clear enough (only indicated by a small dot).

I just noticed that right-clicking the osc parameters wave shape and tuning gives more options.

Hey I could get it to freeze up my PC with it going at 100% with just one instance. Using it in Fruity, I had an appreg going and I just selected Unison switch and bang, it locked up my AMD 2400, I had to keep on pressing it awhile until I could regain control.

Tachi.

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There are loads of examples of well optimized virtual analog synths. And the MMV doesn't sound THAT different to existing ones.

True. I am now positive that you can possibly make something that sound substancially better for substancially less CPU

Good 'un Red Force, keep on putting the boot in long enough before your own product comes out. Difference is that you do not have any Moog endorsement MUAAHAHAAHAHA while Arturia do.

I hate it when competing devs come along like this just to put the boot into a competitor and spam their own products. We are discussing this clone, not your vapourware .. now shut up until your deck is on the table.

Tachi.

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Good 'un Red Force, keep on putting the boot in long enough before your own product comes out. Difference is that you do not have any Moog endorsement MUAAHAHAAHAHA while Arturia do.

Sure, it will make a better synth.
Actually the reason why we didn't try (it's a money question) is because we feel unhealthy to be supported by someone who has a competiting product (say a Minimoog Voyager) shipping right now. We don't like the idea of having this guy explaining that no software can sound like hardware, because we plan to make this false. Actually we plan to do something way better than hardware.

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I hate it when competing devs come along like this just to put the boot into a competitor and spam their own products. We are discussing this clone, not your vapourware .. now shut up until your deck is on the table.

I hate several things. I hate when two companies have an agreement not to do the same products, and then one break the agreement while you're in the middle of your dev. I hate agressive people that speaks without knowing. And I hate when I wait for a subway and I see two subway passing in the opposite direction.

Note that I did wait to be able to compare their demo with our proto. I admit I might be biased, but CPU usage is something you can compare quite objectively (unless you're an Apple guy ) and about sound, we'll post some soon, so you'll tell. Oh, we'll post A/B sounds from the Minimoog we are using, of course. Maybe we'll post A/B/C sounds actually, if we really are in a bad day...

Red_Force wrote:

I hate several things. I hate when two companies have an agreement not to do the same products, and then one break the agreement while you're in the middle of your dev. I hate agressive people that speaks without knowing. And I hate when I wait for a subway and I see two subway passing in the opposite direction.

give em hell you crazy frenchmen!!!

Red_Force wrote:

Oh, we'll post A/B sounds from the Minimoog we are using, of course. Maybe we'll post A/B/C sounds actually, if we really are in a bad day...

Excellent. I wish more VA programmers would have enough confidence to provide A/B comparisons for their products. Some accurate comparisons of complex or common patches would definitely be a selling point for me. The only company I've seen do this is Audiorealism, which leads me to believe that some companies realize their VA's aren't as true to the original as they might imply.

I was very impressed by the demo. CPU load was mostly very low on my XP2000 laptop except for the odd spike and a few of the presets seemed to use a lot more. The sound was fantastic, and the leads sound better to my ears than anything I've heard in a VSTi yet, outside of maybe the Korg Legacy demos. If anyone knows of a VSTi that makes moogier leads, let me know

Yours,

gri-'moog fanatic'-els

Anyone else think that Bob Moog's a bit backhanded about his endorsements? There was a lovely interview in one of the mags when the MMV came out saying (effectively) "Well, I endorsed it because it's good for software.

Phaedo wrote:

Anyone else think that Bob Moog's a bit backhanded about his endorsements? There was a lovely interview in one of the mags when the MMV came out saying (effectively) "Well, I endorsed it because it's good for software.

Yeah, you have to take it with a pinch of salt coming from someone who still makes analogue monsters like the Voyager

Still, the Arturia Moog is the closest I've heard yet in software. The filter is excellent - turn up the resonance all the way and sweep it and it is amazingly fuzzy and un-digital sounding.

griels wrote:

Still, the Arturia Moog is the closest I've heard yet in software. The filter is excellent - turn up the resonance all the way and sweep it and it is amazingly fuzzy and un-digital sounding.

Tried Tera 2 yet? Just slightly closer to that analog goodness.

Devon

Closer yet is Minimax.

griels wrote:

Still, the Arturia Moog is the closest I've heard yet in software. The filter is excellent - turn up the resonance all the way and sweep it and it is amazingly fuzzy and un-digital sounding.

Are you on the turn Gweelz? Can we expect a tubeway Army cover anytime soon?

i'll keep it hidden here, but for all the recent Vanguard talk, Tera has a lot of presets with Juno in the name. I've never heard a Juno, but there's also a few 'Overheim' presets left over from 1.3 or earlier and those have a lot of 'Overheim' character imho.

Tera begins to display its pedigree whan one goes to the 8-d page and initiate a few filter sweeps that are left to the user. That 6 osc supersaw is just the baseline.

still the Tera sound isn't exact -- it's a little colder and not quite the depth, but close enough given everything else it can do.

mp3's for a/b comparison are good, and I salute anyone willing to go to that length to prove a point, but the real experience of any instrument is in the playing.

wrench45us wrote:

still the Tera sound isn't exact -- it's a little colder and not quite the depth, but close enough given everything else it can do.

Exactly, it's still not 'exact', but a lot damn closer than most VA's on the VSTi front than I've heard.

Devon

Shoot, I still think Pentagon I sounds AWSOME as a VA. I've fooled some hardware zealots with Pentagon.

Cheers people, I'll check Tera out again. I was a little offput by the MicroTera presets which weren't my cup of tea at all but I know those are only a small subset of what Tera is capable of.

I agree about Pentagon, you can coax some amazing sounds from it - love that 'symphatic lead' sound and several othres. Oddly I prefer Triangle 1 to Triangle 2 however - just sounds 'richer' to me. MiniMax does indeed seem impressive but I can't get the Pulsar to plug into my laptop Well, I could if I actually had a Pulsar and a Magma chassis

Am I on the turn? Well all those static multisamples were getting a bit stale so I might be getting into a bit of thinthethyth to relieve the tedium

I don't know if this was brought forth earlier in this thread, but I thought it was interesting and worth repeating.

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"Arturia has done it again. The Minimoog V's sound quality captures the magic of the original classic Minimoog. The graphic interface looks classy and responds smoothly, making it fun and easy to use. We at Moog Music are happy to lend our name to this fine product." Bob Moog

I worked for the man for years, and he doesn't apply his name to just anything. Beyond what my ears tell me, his endorsement certainly drives the point home like a screaming Emerson lead.

As someone said earlier: Arturia and Moog Music is the perfect symbiosis. Artturia profits from the big name and Moog itself is in the headlines but can make clear that nothing compares to the real moog hardware... A win-win situation.

In terms of VA. I think the imposcar sounds the best. For the first time, it really does sound like someone managed to cram a complete analogue synth into my pc.
An awesome job.

cyberheater wrote:

In terms of VA. I think the imposcar sounds the best.

In the end, it's your money - and your music. I think it's extremely cool that everyone gets to pick from a wide assortment of virtual instruments that do such a good job of capturing the nature of the original.

I remember when a Minimoog in good working order was $1500 and up. Nowadays you get to put that into a PC with a decent sound card and have enough cash left over to run an entire virtual orchestra (Garritan Personal Orchestra). I don't think anyone comes out a loser on this deal.

This the most versitle and best sounding synth I have. If you can, buy it.

... is it possible to recreate more or less these "mixed" waveforms of the minimoog, e.g. "saw-triangle", with the classic waveforms of the moog modular?

(don't beat me up for that question, you sound designers - I'm just a preset tweaker...)

Did someone make a good demo song with the minimoog V? The ones on the Arturia site suck (even Geoff Downes', sadly). But some of the presets sound so good so it should be possible to do better.

So there is no audio demo you could direct me to for the minimoog V?

Asking to listen to 'better demo songs' is like asking for someone to post a picture of the most gorgeous girl in the world and have everyone agreeing. Ya, right.

Devon

I've done one, but I have no websit to put it
nothing to do with the Arturia's demo

totor wrote:

I've done one, but I have no websit to put it nothing to do with the Arturia's demo

Well maybe not the most gorgious but at least a girl The sound is terrific, the presets are good but the demos are just not convincing.
Totor, don't be shy send us your demo.

R2D2 wrote:

totor wrote: I've done one, but I have no websit to put it nothing to do with the Arturia's demo Well maybe not the most gorgious but at least a girl [...]

And again my knowledge of English hits its limits...

And again my knowledge of English hits its limits... [/quote]

And again a post totally off topic.

Some people will always try to make you feel bad when they have a chance to do so.

Fortunately Music is a universal language.

R2D2 wrote:

dr.wackler wrote: And again my knowledge of English hits its limits... And again a post totally off topic. Some people will always try to make you feel bad when they have a chance to do so. Fortunately Music is a universal language.

What I wanted to say was: "I don't understand what you are talking about, and I guess that's because of my limited knowledge of the English language (as a non native speaker)."
I don't see how that could be interpreted as an attempt to make you feel bad really.

Also I would not consider it to be too "off topic" just to state that one did not understand something in a thread... The "girl" part confused me the most btw.

But maybe I misunderstood again.

dr.wackler wrote:

But maybe I misunderstood again.

32 hours later...

Thanks for enlightening me, R2D2!

dr.wackler wrote:

dr.wackler wrote: But maybe I misunderstood again. 32 hours later... Thanks for enlightening me, R2D2!

Hi Doc,

I think that he was saying if someone were to post a demo song made with the minimoog V that we all might not agree that the demo song is great, but we all can agree that it is a song. Or rather he just wanted to hear the music some KVR folks are making with the minimoog V.

Cheers,
Steve

shamann wrote:

I think that he was saying if someone were to post a demo song made with the minimoog V that we all might not agree that the demo song is great, but we all can agree that it is a song.

So "...at least not a girl" is a saw to express... hmm... exactly what? To agree on the lowest possible level or something I guess. Strange - knowing about the roots of such a saying would be interesting...

No, it isn't a common phrase in English.

It seems the statement was more a reaction to the previous statement in which the idea of posting pictures of girls was used as an example of how subjective the evaluation of new demo songs might be.

In English, this would be called extending a metaphor. I'm not sure if the same applies to German.

Steve.

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a reaction to the previous statement in which the idea of posting pictures of girls was used as an example of how subjective the evaluation of new demo songs might be.

I guess I missed that post! Ooops, now I understand...
No special expression for "extending a metaphor" in German btw. - at least as far as my knowledge of the German language goes...

If I could further understand now why my post made R2D2 feel bad, my day would be made. But enough OT for today I think.

dr.wackler wrote:

No special expression for "extending a metaphor" in German btw. - at least as far as my knowledge of the German language goes...

Sorry, thought you were a native German speaker. Vaguely remember you mentioning German in a thread

Is that Flemish in your sig?

Steve

shamann wrote:

Sorry, thought you were a native German speaker. Vaguely remember you mentioning German in a thread Is that Flemish in your sig?

Yes, that's Flemish in my sig. And no need for you to , I am a native German speaker - but my German is not the best...

dr.wackler wrote:

shamann wrote: Sorry, thought you were a native German speaker. Vaguely remember you mentioning German in a thread Is that Flemish in your sig? Yes, that's Flemish in my sig. And no need for you to , I am a native German speaker - but my German is not the best...

Huh? Flemish? Are you kidding? No, it's Dutch!
That beard man banner showing "KLIK HIER om verder te gaan" translates to "CLICK HERE to move on".
In Flemish it would be "Klik hier om verder te gaan" (no screaming capitals).

[quote="shamann"]

dr.wackler wrote:

dr.wackler wrote: But maybe I misunderstood again. 32 hours later... Thanks for enlightening me, R2D2!

My turn to apologise. i thought you were making fun of my poor English... and I guess my Latin roots made me over react. 1000 apologises.
In any case, yes Steve got it perfectly.I was mainly looking for a cool demo song of the minimoog V.

Now I just received my copy from France and I will try to make one myself.

Thanks to all of you. i am new to this site and maybe not very used to the way you exchange.

R2D2

R2D2 wrote:

My turn to apologise. i thought you were making fun of my poor English... and I guess my Latin roots made me over react. 1000 apologises.

No offence taken. I was just confused. Should have read the previous posts more carefully to get the extended metaphor.

As a native English speaker, let me say that I think you guys communicate quite well in English.