This is one of the new FL Studio synths. The demo sounds excellent, but in this day and age I was slightly disappointed by the asking price of $79. What do other people think, is it worth the money? There is a lot of competition out there after all.

Link for the demo?

Er, it comes packaged with the latest upgrade to FL Studio, its not available as a VST yet.

Bill wrote:

This is one of the new FL Studio synths. The demo sounds excellent, but in this day and age I was slightly disappointed by the asking price of $79. What do other people think, is it worth the money? There is a lot of competition out there after all.

I don't think $79 is too expensive. Especially when you check out the competition.

Bill wrote:

is it worth the money? There is a lot of competition out there after all.

I think it is a steal at $79. I got it for $47 as part of the XXL package. Read the help file carefully to understand totally the power of this synth. The modulation and routing features are very powerful. The sound quality is incredible.

What competition do you see at that price range? Rhino is the closes thing to it at $113. I tried the Rhino demo and was not that crazy about it. I would choose Sytrus even if the cost was the same.

Phil.

Seems like an arpeggiator is a strange omission. I know Fruity can arpeggiate till the cows come home but what about for the use of the VSTi in other programs?

I bought it. It's very deep... I've made a few great sounds with. I expect it will be months before I master its use. The nice thing is, in the mean time I seem to be able to stumble my way into good sounds.

Bottom line, it's great if you need a quality monster synth for a decent price. It's absolutely not necessary if you have FM7, Rhino, or Absynth already.

jzero wrote:

I bought it. It's very deep... I've made a few great sounds with. I expect it will be months before I master its use. The nice thing is, in the mean time I seem to be able to stumble my way into good sounds. Bottom line, it's great if you need a quality monster synth for a decent price. It's absolutely not necessary if you have FM7, Rhino, or Absynth already.

It almost has me interested, but I've never been interested in Fruity either. I also have FM7 and Absynth to boot. You're porbably right though. I already have all that stuff, move along, move along....

Devon

Sytrus is a real treat I think – very rich sound plus clear easy to use interface for programming it – I think its very well priced and must be a worthy addition to the FM synth land of vsti’s (when the vsti comes out) for a FL internal generator – it seems out of place – too good if you know what I mean – when it gets released as a vsti I reckon Sytrus will out sell all of imagelines other products – its that good.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

It can produce very nice/warm sounds. I definitely don't regret buying it, but if I could choose between Sytrus and FM7, I would go for FM7 any day.

Price is very good compared to most other synths, especially if you like FL Studio and buy the XXL package.

And like Spe3D said, don't compare it to the other FL generators, it's so much better.

Jeffrey Purser wrote:

if I could choose between Sytrus and FM7, I would go for FM7 any day.

Interesting... Why do you say that?

I'd pick Sytrus - in my opinion it's more intuitive and learning it is a snap.

very good value for money if you ask me.

Iwas impressed by it.

jzero wrote:

Jeffrey Purser wrote: if I could choose between Sytrus and FM7, I would go for FM7 any day. Interesting... Why do you say that?

Man... now I need to explain stuff

Well, the fm7 can produce most of sounds the sytrus has and allot more.
I find the FM7 easier to understand and to tweak things (most people find the sytrus easier though).
Sytrus takes up allot of cpu.
FM7 never crashed on me, sytrus does but that will probably be fixed in the next patch.
Sytrus has a very 'clean' sound to it, TOO clean for my taste. (This is the biggest problem I have with sytrus I love the clean sound, but It's hard for me to fit it in a song without putting some kind of effect on it)

But the pads in sytrus kick fm7's ass that's for sure. Big/warm/evolving beautiful pads.

It's not that I don't like Sytrus, I use it regularly in my FL songs. But the FM7 has allot more usable presets in my opinion.

But it all depends on the type of music you're making or want to make, if you like very clean sounds, then don’t think and just buy it (once the vst version is out).

And again, it isn't expensive for what you're getting that's for sure.

Well, the fm7 can produce most of sounds the sytrus has and allot more.


This is based on your understanding of synthesis or simply a personal "everyone got one" type of opinion ?

FM7 simply doesn't have half of Sytrus features.

To be more precise - 32 fixed waveforms in FM7 against additive-type unlimited waveforms in Sytrus.\

No filters in FM7 - against 3 SVF, paraller/serial filters in Sytrus.

It IS just an opinion. I'm not basing anything on facts.

Jzero simply asked why I would choose for the fm7 over the sytrus...

Mirabebe wrote:

This is based on your understanding of synthesis or simply a personal "everyone got one" type of opinion ? FM7 simply doesn't have half of Sytrus features. To be more precise - 32 fixed waveforms in FM7 against additive-type unlimited waveforms in Sytrus.\ No filters in FM7 - against 3 SVF, paraller/serial filters in Sytrus.

Sytrus definitely has features that FM7 doesn't, and there's a lot more power in terms of waveforms, but FM7 has a few not found in Sytrus either; portamento, microtuning, saving and recalling envelope presets, dedicated noise operator, and audio input, to name a few. And FM7 does have filters; a dual parallel/serial filter operator, the output of which can be routed into the other operators.

Also, I prefer FM7's Routing matrix, as I find it a bit more intuitive, and the modulation matrix is quite usefull too. Being able to load DX patches, and the easy editor are very cool.

Bottom line, though, is that sytrus is singnificantly cheaper than FM7, so if I had to choose between the two, it would probably be my choice...

Sytrus does have saveable envelopes, a noise source and much more. It is a much better value for the money. My only real complaint is the size of the additive editor and higher CPU.

Then there's Rhino. You will definatley want to try the demo for the next version. Watch KVR for details.

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... No filters in FM7 ...

Hmmmm. I could swear that my copy of FM7 has filters. The best thing about FM7 is low CPU load. When I want amazing pads that devour CPU then I use Rhino and freeze the track. When I want a lot of good sounding parts to run at once, FM7 along with Pro53 is great.

Robert

Thanks for all your comments. I have to say it sounds incredible and I don't have any of the other synths you mention so I am reaching for the plastic. My one reservation is the CPU thing. I have P4 2.4 and 512mb of RAM and the machine is struggling playing a simple chord on some of the preset pads ("dark woods" for example), and that is with nothing else running at all!

I've found that you can reduce the cpu of patches by avoiding the unison modes and subsituting other techniques. For example, it seems slightly detuned pitch envelopes on other operators to acheive doubling effects can be less cpu-intensive. Also, the chorus effect is lighter than the unison modes. I think it has quite reasonable CPU useage on Athlon processors.

I received Sytrus in with my XXL package and find it very fun to play with. The learning curve isn't bad, everything is laid out for you right there in the GUI which makes it easy to experiment with. I think the best thing about this synth is it's clear & clean sound for pads.... I'm able to tweak those amazingly subtle FM tones & warbles in huge pads from this synth... those kind that send a chill up your spine when they rise from the depths... and for me that's incredibly important.

I think that the FM7 presets are more immediatly accessible and Absynth is capable of more exotic tonal structures (although I still love Crystal for that stuff). But then again it will take me some time to fully grok Sytrus... I hope there will be more pleasant surprises for me... like when I hook up my joystick to the X-Y modulator! I'm getting dizzy just thinking about it!!

But the question might be... is it worth $80? Depends. If you're using FL Studio to compose in then yes. When it comes out as a VSTi though then it depends if you like it's sound, nice thing is they let you try it for free.

Best... Scott

sdv wrote:

But the question might be... is it worth $80?

I wonder how Sytrus would have compared to the all but deceased 'Muzynth'?

Bill wrote:

This is one of the new FL Studio synths. The demo sounds excellent, but in this day and age I was slightly disappointed by the asking price of $79. What do other people think, is it worth the money? There is a lot of competition out there after all.

Since I have and still use FM7, the answer is no.

TonyVanDam wrote:

Bill wrote: This is one of the new FL Studio synths. The demo sounds excellent, but in this day and age I was slightly disappointed by the asking price of $79. What do other people think, is it worth the money? There is a lot of competition out there after all. Since I have and still use FM7, the answer is no.

since you paid I don't-know-how-many-hundreds-of-dollars for FM7 you'd say Sytrus isn't worth its $79?

Could you be so nice as to explain the kind of logic you used to achieve this result of (I am in no doubt)
highly optimized brainwork?

quite a little battle brewing here.

i bought the XXL package from fruity and love sytrus. i also loved the NI demos i tried but my wallet said NO the price made my decision. i needed a host so thats why i bought the XXL package btw. anyhow, demo the hell out of everything, otherwise tally up everyone's votes and then buy that synth

lates

t-willy

jens wrote:

TonyVanDam wrote: Bill wrote: This is one of the new FL Studio synths. The demo sounds excellent, but in this day and age I was slightly disappointed by the asking price of $79. What do other people think, is it worth the money? There is a lot of competition out there after all. Since I have and still use FM7, the answer is no. since you paid I don't-know-how-many-hundreds-of-dollars for FM7 you'd say Sytrus isn't worth its $79? Could you be so nice as to explain the kind of logic you used to achieve this result of (I am in no doubt) highly optimized brainwork?

If you want the best FM synth pound for pound, you want FM7 (at least you can download your DX7 patches in it).

Sytrus is very good in its own rights. But if you have FM7 already, why rush to buy Sytrus?

I stand by my words.

mateo wrote:

Sytrus definitely has features that FM7 doesn't, and there's a lot more power in terms of waveforms, but FM7 has a few not found in Sytrus either; portamento, microtuning, saving and recalling envelope presets, dedicated noise operator, and audio input, to name a few. And FM7 does have filters; a dual parallel/serial filter operator, the output of which can be routed into the other operators. Also, I prefer FM7's Routing matrix, as I find it a bit more intuitive, and the modulation matrix is quite usefull too. Being able to load DX patches, and the easy editor are very cool. Bottom line, though, is that sytrus is singnificantly cheaper than FM7, so if I had to choose between the two, it would probably be my choice...

No portamento? Are you insane? Maybe no portamento in the VST version ( which isn't out yet...), but you can certainly use portamento on Sytrus Fruity version. As with all the IL fruity versions, the channel settings dialog has portamento and mono modes , as well as max polyphony.

Also, I'm not 100% sure what you mean by microtuning, but obviously you can change the freq ratio and offset for each operator in Sytrus, and you can change the pitch of the whole channel using (again) FL's Channel settings dialogue. Not sure about envelope saving, but I wouldn't be surprised if sytrus supported that as well (I can't check it right now, I'm at work).

Anyway, you have your opinions, and I respect that, just thought I'd bring some more things to light. I love FM7 as well, but I don't use it much since I've got Sytrus (which isn't purely FM, I might add, hit the RM button and there's even more sound possibilities.)

So my say is GO FOR SYTRUS! IT's A STEAL AT THE PRICE! I use mine regularly and love it. Sounds wonderful, cheap price, unbeatable!

rlabz wrote:

So my say is GO FOR SYTRUS! IT's A STEAL AT THE PRICE! I use mine regularly and love it. Sounds wonderful, cheap price, unbeatable!

...only if you already have Fruity. If you don't, that 'steal' of a price isn't so much of a steal anymore.

Devon

All envelopes and lfos can be saved individually in Sytrus.

The argument that Sytrus is unnecessary if you own FM7 or Rhino is solid. They share many similarities and all sound great.

As to the argument that Sytrus isn't a great value for the price, that's absolutely ridiculous.

Sytrus is probably the best VFM around. I have stumbled on some superb sounds that are readily intellgible to figure out the how and why. That's more than I can say for FM7 which has some beautiful sounds but is a tough nut to crack for a dumb guitarist like me. Bravo ImageLine.

Gordon

DevonB wrote:

rlabz wrote: So my say is GO FOR SYTRUS! IT's A STEAL AT THE PRICE! I use mine regularly and love it. Sounds wonderful, cheap price, unbeatable! ...only if you already have Fruity. If you don't, that 'steal' of a price isn't so much of a steal anymore. Devon

You think it's overly priced at $79?

Banjostar wrote:

DevonB wrote: rlabz wrote: So my say is GO FOR SYTRUS! IT's A STEAL AT THE PRICE! I use mine regularly and love it. Sounds wonderful, cheap price, unbeatable! ...only if you already have Fruity. If you don't, that 'steal' of a price isn't so much of a steal anymore. Devon You think it's overly priced at $79?

Ummm how in the world can you still call it a bargain when I HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER PIECE OF SOFTWARE IN ORDER TO GET IT TO WORK??? $79 is fine, and pretty much is a 'bargain' but completely USELESS if you don't own Fruity. What's the minimum version of Fruity you need to get this to even work? Does this work on the $49 ghetto version? Now the price just jumped to $129 to even make this thing work. That's becoming less of a bargain, if it even works in that version, which I don't know. Someone else will have to fill me in on that one.

Devon

DevonB wrote:

Banjostar wrote: DevonB wrote: rlabz wrote: So my say is GO FOR SYTRUS! IT's A STEAL AT THE PRICE! I use mine regularly and love it. Sounds wonderful, cheap price, unbeatable! ...only if you already have Fruity. If you don't, that 'steal' of a price isn't so much of a steal anymore. Devon You think it's overly priced at $79? Ummm how in the world can you still call it a bargain when I HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER PIECE OF SOFTWARE IN ORDER TO GET IT TO WORK??? $79 is fine, and pretty much is a 'bargain' but completely USELESS if you don't own Fruity. What's the minimum version of Fruity you need to get this to even work? Does this work on the $49 ghetto version? Now the price just jumped to $129 to even make this thing work. That's becoming less of a bargain, if it even works in that version, which I don't know. Someone else will have to fill me in on that one. Devon

Easy devon, a VSTi version is on the way

Bill wrote:

This is one of the new FL Studio synths. The demo sounds excellent, but in this day and age I was slightly disappointed by the asking price of $79. What do other people think, is it worth the money? There is a lot of competition out there after all.

I have purchased it after trying out the demo - yes it's worth it. BUT - it is a memory-gobbling mutha and I have a 3Ghz 512MB RAM Intel dedicated.

Sure, you can kill some voices and effects, but then there goes the sound that makes you wanna buy the thing to begin with.

I am now wondering whether or not upgrading my RAM to 1 gig will help. Otherwise, I have to avoid using Sytrus along with, say, an FM7, Kompakt and some FL-based samplers. All I did was replace a three-chord B4 track with Sytrus (cuz I loved it's organ patch) and FLStudio fell apart. Now I am sad and want to drink a lot and be mean to my parakeet ;-(

the sytrus VSTi/DXi are almost ready. little demo:

[url]http://www.flstudio.com/gol/sytrusdemo - part 15.mp3[/url]

Are those FX onboard?

Pad sounds like Cheese Machine.

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I have purchased it after trying out the demo - yes it's worth it. BUT - it is a memory-gobbling mutha and I have a 3Ghz 512MB RAM Intel dedicated.

Sytrus is really NOT memory demanding. 512MB is much more than needed (& I have 512mb myself). More, all instances of sytrus share 90% of their data, so you could load hundred's of it.

What Sytrus is, is CPU demanding. But 3Ghz is more than needed as well (I have an athlon 1..
But you need to pay attention to what you do, if you enable EVERYTHING, don't limit the max poly and set your presets to release for 10 sec, you will obviously quickly reach the limits of your CPU.

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Are those FX onboard?

yes, it's the built-in delays & chorus, but it's mainly the unison in action.

here's a more ambient & FM one (above clip had no FM)

[url]http://www.flstudio.com/gol/sytrusdemo - part 1.mp3[/url]

Hmm, that demo mp3 doesn't really do justice to Sytrus IMO. It's capable of some huuuuuuge sounds, way beyond what Cheeze Machine could muster. One of the best sounding softsynths I've heard.

EDIT: ah, that second mp3 is more indicative of Sytrus' capabilities

ok last one

[url]http://www.flstudio.com/gol/sytrusdemo - part 14.mp3[/url]

we also have cool clips of electric piano's, organs, and various sequences (you can do 1-key loops in sytrus, it's useless but cool)

gol wrote:

the sytrus VSTi/DXi are almost ready. little demo: [url]http://www.flstudio.com/gol/sytrusdemo - part 15.mp3[/url]

How much will the VSTi version cost?

Devon

Ah, looking at the website, looks like it'll be $79 for it as well. Very nice. Now yes, that's a bargain, I agree.

Devon

in playing with the demos, i find sytrus CPU to be in the ballpark of rhino and z3ta.

looks like it'll be $79 for it as well.

More accurately - you get all versions for that price. So if you paid for VST - you'll get DXI and Fruity versions included.

gol wrote:

here's a more ambient & FM one (above clip had no FM) [url]http://www.flstudio.com/gol/sytrusdemo - part 1.mp3[/url]

Strange, why do ppl. always think FM is about bell sounds. One could make this sound with a TX81z...

gol wrote:

Sytrus is really NOT memory demanding. 512MB is much more than needed (& I have 512mb myself). More, all instances of sytrus share 90% of their data, so you could load hundred's of it. What Sytrus is, is CPU demanding. But 3Ghz is more than needed as well (I have an athlon 1.. But you need to pay attention to what you do, if you enable EVERYTHING, don't limit the max poly and set your presets to release for 10 sec, you will obviously quickly reach the limits of your CPU.

OK I see what you mean now - thanks. AND - I had no idea that I could run infinite multiple instances - maybe because I'm such a genius This lets me do some pretty amazing stuff that I will be playing with all day...

Thanks Gol...