Here it is!

The first audiodemo of the new Vanguard synthesizer!

The sounds are made of Manuel Schleis!

http://www.vengeance-music.de/Virus2/Filez/VanguardDemo%20Vengeance%20 Soundset.mp3

/Kire

Well check these out straight away. this synth looks like it could be a very nice vsti!

Hheheehehe, this demo is the A to Z of eurosynth cheese! Fookin marvellous!

Yes but it was top quality euro cheese - I think if you are a trance head you might be happy.

I think you can throw away your JP (8000/8080). Not entirly, maybe you need vocoder of JP.

Me like it alot.

Its not to bad. i can hear quite alot of potetial in some sounds. still love the z3ta a bit more tho

baggio wrote:

Yes but it was top quality euro cheese - I think if you are a trance head you might be happy.

Oh, indeed the quality was top, just all the daft riffs one after the other made me larf.

I'm pleased I'm at work - it would have taken forever for that to d/l at home

Sounding good - I'm going to have fun with that arp.

And ain't it good that ReFX come up with a demo MP3 that is ideally suited to the synth? Not the usual naff stuff that bears no resemblance to what most people will actually use it for. Hoover city MP3 for a synth that tends towards domestic appliance patches.

I assume Vanguard is still free to JunoX2 owners? Can't wait.

And cheese is a man's best friend (unless he washes too often)

Also im still unsure if this bank will be included with the preset sounds of the vanguard or if this is a bank you buy in his site when you own the soft synth??

Right about the riffs! good for a laugh tho

Oh my god. It sounds just like a virus!





Discuss

The demo is excellent. But were any external effects used in this demo? As for sounding like a virus, well that's just cause Manuel is known for many virus soundbanks so obviously the patches are a direct influence of his old virus presets and you can hear similarities in both this and his virus demos. That being said, the vsti is still impressive and will give the z3ta a run for it's money, but I feel if Manuel were to make a soundset for the z3ta , it would blow this demo away.

trancenrg69 wrote:

The demo is excellent. But were any external effects used in this demo? As for sounding like a virus, well that's just cause Manuel is known for many virus soundbanks so obviously the patches are a direct influence of his old virus presets and you can hear similarities in both this and his virus demos. That being said, the vsti is still impressive and will give the z3ta a run for it's money, but I feel if Manuel were to make a soundset for the z3ta , it would blow this demo away.

You're making it up again.

making what up?

This sounds very slick and commercial. Fans of Culture Beat, Capella and Scooter will love this. And I shall shortly be moving to a detached house far from the nearest user.

OK I'll shut up now

It sounds great.

I think you'll probably have to buy the 'full' version to get this sound set. Would only make sense. I doubt Manuel did the work for free, ya know.

Devon

BTW, I take it that Vanguard doesn't include a moog-like filter?

If so could you post demo mp3s?

If it's good that might improve my opinion of it

I'm shutting up for real this time

Well, color me impressed. I likey. I think I might need to get when it comes out. Now if only I had some talent to play these fookin things. LOL

Let me first say, I really like the sounds. Sounds like Reaktor so good job there.

My only comment is, were there only like 4 presets in that 7 minute sound example? 80% of the sounds I heard were the same sound with the cutoff opening and closing.

Still, if priced right, it's right up my alley.

Yeah, sounds like there's quite a lot of potential here - some of it's a bit cheese-tastic, but that goes with the territory, I guess...

Well, you could always listen to the other demo's on Manuel's site HERE to hear how well Vanguard compares to other hard- and softsynths (Virus, Q, Supernova, V-station,...) with a similar soundset.
Keep in mind the price difference between these though.

Peter.

I don't understand all this fuss about these synths -
yes, they sound similar - similar boring and common

Pretty good demo.

Actually I never heard a demo I liked on any hardware I bought. If the person told me ....by the way you can only write songs in the trance category with this. Yeh what ever.

This thing sounds great demo or not.

Mush

Did Manuel send you this link Kire?

Oh my god, it sounds just like Superwave P8!

Kidding. It's pretty. But this demo isn't showing much variety. 95% trancey detuned saws drowned in reverb like movie theater popcorn in artificial butter substitute.

The Vangelis-like PWM sound around 3:07 was a nice change (Blade Runner soundtrack anyone?) and makes me wonder if it can't do some nice SIDlike leads, and there were a few other interesting things. But I'm not quite sold.

Regarding "Virus sound" - this demo does not contain any (like none at all) of the famous sounds that usually show off Virus. I am not going to say that this doesn't sound like Virus, but it would be nice if the demo tried a little harder to play the sounds that people usually associate with Virus.

Edit: Just to illustrate a little bit what i mean -2:35 is more what i am looking for. Ofcourse it's all subjective - everyone is looking for something that represents things in their head.

it sounds a bit digitally.. perhaps it could be changed with external effects.

but 4:00 -> quality pad..

Mirabebe wrote:

Edit: Of course it's all subjective - everyone is looking for something that represents things in their head.

Brilliant Mirabebe, you just said perfectly the answer to this whole "sounds like" arguement.
Very Good.
As the puttester would say."Jah Jah Jah"

Johnny tell our contestant what he's won!!

what is this BS? I can make the average sampler coupled with a few FX units sound pretty much like this.
Would be nice to hear the same demo with no fx.
Seems like the guy/gal who made the demo doesn't give much regard to the listener. He's demoing a fackin synthesizer, not a chorus/reverb/delay fx unit.

hlmst wrote:

what is this BS? I can make the average sampler coupled with a few FX units sound pretty much like this. Would be nice to hear the same demo with no fx. Seems like the guy/gal who made the demo doesn't give much regard to the listener. He's demoing a fackin synthesizer, not a chorus/reverb/delay fx unit.

He's trying to impress those that like a particular synth who's presets are also drenched in effects.

This is very much personal taste. I love FX and think it makes part of the sound of a synth!

Peter.

Mighty_Hero wrote:

Did Manuel send you this link Kire?

No,

I found it on his homepage (in the forum)

/Kire

I see.

Whoa... Well, this sounds really great. The demo sounds a bit cheezified, but I'm sure some tweakage could fix that. Will this VSTi support FM synthesis, or no? Dirty up the sound a bit... Either way, nice synth for sure. I'll pick it up!

I like the punchy digitalish sound Not for analogue purists maybe but I think I could consider this. btw, loved the gui also.

Some answers:

Manuel demoed some of the factory-presets that will be included in the FULL and LITE versions for free. The presets will sound different in the LITE version, because the FX are missing.

The FX are part of the synthesizer (Delay and Reverb) so I see no reason to switch them off. After all, this demo was mainly made to sell VANGUARD, so it makes sense to show this stuff off as well. If you don't like it, you can always download the demo version and globaly switch the effects off (it's ONE click for ALL presets) to listen to it without delay & reverb.

The LITE version will be free for all JunoX2 customers (it's like the full version minus the arp, trancegate, delay, reverb and pitch-parameters).

You can upgrade fom LITE to FULL, prices to be announced when released.

Of course this demo is aimed at trance/dance musicians, but you can do a lot more. It contains most of the JunoX2 oscillators and and whole bunch of new waveforms. Manuel used only a small subset of the available waveforms, because he is used to them from his H/W synthesizers. The next bank from him will contain more experimental sounds.

VANGUARD will be released with TWO additional banks that are available for FULL customers only, so when you buy the full version (or upgrade from the LITE version) you get 400+ sounds.

Manuel is currently doing a 2nd bank of Trance/Dance sounds to be sold later on the reFX website. Price to be determined later

Cheers,
Mike

So I am clear, Mnauel posted that demo on his public forum, before vanguard demo's were offically announced, and also said it was for vanguard right?

It astounds me that you draw this to the public as your reputation will now suffer. You did wrong by publicy posting unauthorized material, not Manuel. He asked before posting anything!

donkey tugger wrote:

Hheheehehe, this demo is the A to Z of eurosynth cheese! Fookin marvellous!

Blooody 'ell!

"so I am clear" means, I wondered if he asked, or put it up. text is different than hearing someone say something. the "demo" put up the other day, didn't mention anything, and could have been made by anything, a real virus even. my reputation is all I have, and I work hard for things. For someone to say I did huge damage, and basically is was a crap demo, is another. I asked a question, and yet again, I am 'attacked'.......for when it all comes down to it, trying to help out??? that's jacked up!
anyways, I told you I was sorry for putting up that little snippet. I asked a question now, and boom....
it reads funny I guess....


on another note, the demo he did is good, and there is alot more to vanguard than what he demo'ed. It will be a big hit I bet

nuffink wrote:

Oh my god. It sounds just like a virus!

Would that be:
a)swine flu?
b)avian flu?
c)West Nile Virus?

d)all of the above?

Please post all replies care of this thread. No kittens, please! (Devon, this means you! )

Mighty_Hero, it reads funny. First you ask another poster where he got the demo from, then you post "I see." and then you ask if it is correct that Manuel posted his stuff in a public (gasp) forum.

How was this supposed to look to me (and others)?

It seems to me you wanted some kind of absolution ("look, he's done wrong too and he isn't chastised for it") but it doesn't work like this. First you had no information if he was allowed to post it or not and second, even it he had not asked me, you don't know if I talked to him about it or not.

Let it rest. It's better for you, believe me.

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote:

It astounds me that you draw this to the public as your reputation will now suffer. You did wrong by publicy posting unauthorized material, not Manuel. He asked before posting anything!

Did your beta of Vanguard have an NDA* for testers?

If so, posting to a public forum without clearing it first is extremely inappropriate. (Unless of course it was a public beta-which Vanguard is not.)

Most test software does have an NDA. Hell, most NDA's don't even let you admit that you are a beta tester!

*NDA=Non Disclosure Agreement

Mighty, you have unwittingly made a mistake, however well intentioned. Privately apologize and then lay low. Whatever you do, don't antagonize a HUN...

db wrote:

Please post all replies care of this thread. No kittens, please! (Devon, this means you! )

But!!!! err.... umm.... But I like the kittens!

Devon

pough wrote:

Mighty, you have unwittingly made a mistake, however well intentioned. Privately apologize and then lay low. Whatever you do, don't antagonize a HUN...

I think its just a brilliant marketing technique. You start the controversy, attract the attention, make people guessing and wanting more - BOOM, you got yourself more sales and *free* advertisement. Most of us here (OK, maybe just me ) thought that Vanguard going to be updated version of JunoX2. Who would of even known that its going to take this huge turn, and now being compared to one of the finest HW VA synth? I think Michael from ReFX should be thankful to Mighty_Hero.

Mighty_Hero for President

pough wrote:

Whatever you do, don't antagonize a HUN...

that's BULLSHIT Pough - better take it back

More than 7000 views on the topic that Mighty Hero started! That's what I call marketing!

I must say that a lot of people were curious about this mistery synth. I'm starting to wonder if this is not setup by Michael and Mighty.

Anyway, nice work, you've got our attention!

Peter.

jens wrote:

that's BULLSHIT Pough - better take it back

... see?

DevonB wrote:

db wrote: Please post all replies care of this thread. No kittens, please! (Devon, this means you! ) But!!!! err.... umm.... But I like the kittens! Devon

<cue loud booming reverb drenched voice of doom>

THIS IS NO PLACE FOR INNOCENT KITTENS!

Yeah.

Michael has much learned from the past here in this forum.



ps: How anyone can "be unique" with such an mainstream synthesizer? Noting, that this is the slogan of reFX...

A few words to the Vanguard - Virus comparsion:

In my opinion it sounds more like a NordLead synthesizer (version 1), although the Nord has more variety in its timbres and a bit more basic pressure and definition.

There is definitively the "liquidity" or the "squelch" of the Filters missing the Virus offers. Also the punch.

And yes, the demo is "drown" in effects.

It would nice to hear some basses or ambients or even e-drums and percussions, because the Virus is really strong in doing that with ease.

jason wrote:

It would nice to hear some basses or ambients or even e-drums and percussions, because the Virus is really strong in doing that with ease.

I thought you wanted ReFX to be more unique. Why are you complaining that Vanguard doesn't sound enough like the virus then? Surely sounding like a virus would make Vanguard less rather than more unique?

agent 007 wrote:

A few words to the Vanguard - Virus comparsion: In my opinion it sounds more like a NordLead synthesizer (version 1), although the Nord has more variety in its timbres and a bit more basic pressure and definition. There is definitively the "liquidity" or the "squelch" of the Filters missing the Virus offers. Also the punch. And yes, the demo is "drown" in effects. It would nice to hear some basses or ambients or even e-drums and percussions, because the Virus is really strong in doing that with ease.

If the demo is a true represntation of the synths abilitys then it looks like a one trick pony. Stack up a few detuned oscilators and cue the arpegiator. Pefect for the happy trance brigade though.

chris

Wouldn't take oo7's opinion too seriously valley. He complains about the effects and then likens it to a nord lead. A synth which is famous for having no built-in effects.

It does seem to bear a resemblance more to the nord lead than to a virus to my ears as well. Either way it sounds good. This is all that matters is it not?

nollock wrote:

agent 007 wrote: A few words to the Vanguard - Virus comparsion: In my opinion it sounds more like a NordLead synthesizer (version 1), although the Nord has more variety in its timbres and a bit more basic pressure and definition. There is definitively the "liquidity" or the "squelch" of the Filters missing the Virus offers. Also the punch. And yes, the demo is "drown" in effects. It would nice to hear some basses or ambients or even e-drums and percussions, because the Virus is really strong in doing that with ease. If the demo is a true represntation of the synths abilitys then it looks like a one trick pony. Stack up a few detuned oscilators and cue the arpegiator. Pefect for the happy trance brigade though. chris

I guess it isn't a true representation - the problem is that Micheal K. doesn't seem to notice that this prole's demo does more harm to Vanguard's reputation than Mighty Hero did.

Hi ...

So what are we talking about as far as a timeline for the release of this synth goes? Before the end of the month? Early-March?

Anybody?

(stu.macQ)

valley wrote:

jason wrote: It would nice to hear some basses or ambients or even e-drums and percussions, because the Virus is really strong in doing that with ease. I thought you wanted ReFX to be more unique. Why are you complaining that Vanguard doesn't sound enough like the virus then? Surely sounding like a virus would make Vanguard less rather than more unique?

Hallo Michael!
Nice to see you here.

Not Jason, but Michael has claimed that Vanguard sounds like a Virus.

Not I want reFX to be more unique, They claim that you will "be unique" if you actually buy their products...

.b.t.w.: Someone should persuade the Klangformer
guys to release it in its uncrippled state

nuffink wrote:

Wouldn't take oo7's opinion too seriously valley. He complains about the effects and then likens it to a nord lead. A synth which is famous for having no built-in effects.

I know this.
Even this is the point.

I spoke about the pure synthesizer sound.

Sorry, I should better explain me.

What's 'unique' in this thread is all the KVR members with 30-odd posts trashing all the regulars and the developers.

Sigh.

Laserguided wrote:

What's 'unique' in this thread is all the KVR members with 30-odd posts trashing all the regulars and the developers. Sigh.

trashing all the regulars and the developers ?

Excuse me if you feel so.


It was not conscious to me.

Fuck, not a week goes by in KVR land without some low-post-counter (nothing against them, all are welcome here) chiming in about how badly they need a VSTi that can do Virus sounds (yeah it's as sad a cliche as the 303 at this point).

Then when some VSTi developer shows off some similar to 'Virus' sounds, what we get in return is 'bah, be unique for once'.

If I was Mr. Kleps I would throw in the towel, and keep this soft synth as a secret prize for virtual instrument users who show a little sense.

Fortunately I do not have a job in VSTi marketing

Holy COW. the guy from vengeanance sound is doing vanguard's presets?/ WOOOOOHOOOOOOOO! YES!

the only work i know of manuel's is the V-station bank, but hey, that impressed me enough to know that this is gonna be good.

Micahel, please get him to do a qudrasid, plasticz (especially), and slayer 2 bank too.. pretty please!!!!!!

You are right, Laserguided!

The point is, that obviously only very few ppl have actually a H/W Virus.

So some developers want the rest of you make believe, that they have the skills to do it (recreation of the Virus). This is their (bad)marketing. To profit from a legendary synthesizer.

But the Virus sound engine has some remarkable edges, which requires something more than a 3 oscillator stacked VSTi with an average filter and integrated arpeggiator and only fixed modulation destinations...

Be happy, that there are some ppl with the knowledge to explain you, that you are currently faked heaviely !

Laserguided wrote:

Fuck, not a week goes by in KVR land without some low-post-counter (nothing against them, all are welcome here) chiming in about how badly they need a VSTi that can do Virus sounds (yeah it's as sad a cliche as the 303 at this point). Then when some VSTi developer shows off some similar to 'Virus' sounds, what we get in return is 'bah, be unique for once'. If I was Mr. Kleps I would throw in the towel, and keep this soft synth as a secret prize for virtual instrument users who show a little sense. Fortunately I do not have a job in VSTi marketing

If the one you are criticizing is the one I think
he is, he has programmed something probably far better than Vanguard by himself

Laserguided wrote:

What's 'unique' in this thread is all the KVR members with 30-odd posts trashing all the regulars and the developers. Sigh.

Why don't you be more specific about "all" the members with "30" post? I have under 30 post, but did you see me trashing anybody here? I was actually the one who officially announced that "mystery" synth was Vanguard. BTW, just because I don't post much here, I still read everything, and know who-is-who Just next time, reply with your comments to Mr Bond directly

Jens,

In my opinion actually NOBODY of the developers here on this platform has the "eggs in his pants" to do it this finally.

Including that mysterious Jason.

twister....now calm down young man, stop yelling, and read my original post. You are clearly posting in your 20's now, so stop assuming that everyone's talking about you

Laserguided wrote:

Fuck, not a week goes by in KVR land without some low-post-counter (nothing against them, all are welcome here) chiming in about how badly they need a VSTi that can do Virus sounds (yeah it's as sad a cliche as the 303 at this point).

Absolutely. It saddens me when someone who may well know nothing about VST comes in and makes unfavorable comparisons regarding software which they perceive to be a competitor to some designated hardware unit. The fact is it can be difficult or even impossible to exactly replicate the sound of any such unit. But the conclusion is invariably this: software sounds rubbish. This is damaging to the VST market in my opinion, as musicians who are capable of greater objectivity, yet new to the VST scene may be totally offput.

Note: I don't like the demo mp3s I've heard. But that doesn't matter a scintilla. It sounds very similar to a Virus to me, not that THAT matters. And a lot of people seem to like that sound. And ALL of this is totally subjective

Now.. if only I had a Yamaha VL-70m VSTi I could break the top 40

and Mr. 007, I don't think I've said anything to make anyone think I've been 'faked heavily', although thanks very much for the assumptions that you've made concerning my intelligence.

I personally don't give a shit if a VSTi sounds like a virus or not.

I personally don't play the 'If I only had this special synth, my music would suddenly be tops' mentality that is so common.

Maybe I should...naw..

agent 007 wrote:

Jens, In my opinion actually NOBODY of the developers here on this platform has the "eggs in his pants" to do it this finally. Including that mysterious Jason.

I know, but at least he never pretended

Wow, so much negativitiy and arrogance here. Unbelieveable.

Just to recap. VANGUARD was never supposed to sound like a Virus. It's simply an improved version of JunoX2, but after some adjustments and new oscillators/filters Manuel was able to coax sounds out of VANGUARD that are pretty close to similar presets Manuel has done on the Virus. He told me, that some presets are better then he could ever do on the Virus, but we obviously had other cases where he couldn't get that sound out of VANGUARD.

agent 007: you come from Germany. Thats mega-obvious: it's not "eggs in his pants" but "got the balls" and you are wrong. There is nothing especialy difficult about Virus design. Even if we would do such a synth, people like you would say "it sounds nothing like a Virus" even if 99% of the people couldn't tell the difference.

Signing off until release now...

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote:

Wow, so much negativitiy and arrogance here. Unbelieveable.

I don't know whether to laugh at your apparent naïveté (welcome to KvR, Michael Kleps!) or the seeming irony of that statement!

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote:

He told me, that some presets are better then he could ever do on the Virus, but we obviously had other cases where he couldn't get that sound out of VANGUARD.

Great, I look forward to hearing those presets. It really does sound very impressive and slick, as much as the sounds showcased in the MP3s are absolutely not to my taste, so maybe I shall eat my words.

congrats.. sounds like it will be a great tool for trance.. thats right up my alley

the demo seems a bit muffled though.. maybe thats the over-reverb'd sound others are talking about..

pough wrote:

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote: Wow, so much negativitiy and arrogance here. Unbelieveable. I don't know whether to laugh at your apparent naïveté (welcome to KvR, Michael Kleps!) or the seeming irony of that statement!

Wow, so much sarcasm and cynicism here. Entirely normal.

btw I had this face on --> <-- when listening to the pads.. especially the one around 4mins into the mp3.

Deep.

For what it's worth, sarcasm and cynicism aside, I'm looking forward to this. I've liked all the demos so far. But then, I'm a bass player so what the fuck do I know about synths?

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote:

agent 007: you come from Germany. Thats mega-obvious: it's not "eggs in his pants" but "got the balls" and you are wrong. There is nothing especialy difficult about Virus design. Even if we would do such a synth, people like you would say "it sounds nothing like a Virus" even if 99% of the people couldn't tell the difference. Signing off until release now...

"...Even if we would do such a synth..."

If You could do it, you would be the first, who actually WOULD do it!

But you obviously "got" NOT "the balls" to do it. Becaus you simply can't.



On the other side, I "had the balls" to give you my respect, if you had done it really...

All this hype here is about your initiated unbelieveble marketing strategy.

Now, of course you have to "correct" your claims somehow, to get things under control...

agent 007 wrote:

If You could do it, you would be the first, who actually WOULD do it! But you obviously "got" NOT "the balls" to do it. Becaus you simply can't.

heyy.. hmm can you program a virus vsti?

lol better follow that advice pronto Mikey, after all this is the secret agent man...

VitaminD wrote:

agent 007 wrote: If You could do it, you would be the first, who actually WOULD do it! But you obviously "got" NOT "the balls" to do it. Becaus you simply can't. heyy.. hmm can you program a virus vsti?

You should read my previous posts. The answer is already there.

agent 007 wrote:

Quote: heyy.. hmm can you program a virus vsti? You should read my previous posts. The answer is already there.

OK so you do not have the programming skills to properly develop a virtual virus. So why are you going on about things?

I have noticed you tend to nitpick on kvr instead of offering anything of value.. why is this?

agent 007 wrote:

If You could do it, you would be the first, who actually WOULD do it!

Probably not. There are two clear reasons why such a synth wouldn't be commercially viable:

1) Lets say ReFX release the near be all and end all of VA synths as a VSTi. Then what? A few months of strong sales followed by zip. The market would utterly dry up. Unlike, just picking a random HW VA here, say a Virus, you don't need to buy a VSTi twice if you need more than one instance of it. So where are the future sales?

2) HW synths can use quite a few hundred dollars worth of DSP silicon to do just one job. If ReFX released a plugin that basically took the guts right out of anything below a two gig machine the whole of KvR would be screaming "resource hog". Most people don't want their entire machine to be one killer synth, and if they did they'd buy the hardware anyway.

I think targetted VST plugins that balance performance against quality are going to be with us for a while yet.

Hmm, we are talking about ReFX and Vanguard. So, how come Lady J is not here?

Isn't it obvious this is a great sounding synth?

And more obviously, a pre-release campaign like this couldn't have been better planned if they'd tried.

Meanwhile we've all got bucks to shell out ... I mean, are YOU not going to buy a Vanguard after all this.

We don't have to like Mike Kleps to appreciate his plainly obvious talent.

Does it matter that he took his forum out of KvR, 'cos he couldn't take the heat on the street?

Or that he only came back because no one visited his other forum.

This matters little.

When this synth is released he'll be the Man of the Hour.

And this synth will be the Meat on the Street.

Just the truth.

No hard feelings, Mike

(Now .. how to end this post ...er, I'm not coming back until Vanguard is released ... er ... until Mummy says she's sorry ... er )

I'm going to take that demo mp3, slap a beat on it, get one of me bird mates to wail 'take me higher' a few times over the top, call it 'trance on 45', and make me a million!

VitaminD wrote:

OK so you do not have the programming skills to properly develop a virtual virus. So why are you going on about things?

Exactly.

VitaminD wrote:

I have noticed you tend to nitpick on kvr instead of offering anything of value.. why is this?

Ouups.

Yes indeed, one could get this impression...
Thereby I am such a nice guy. sometimes.

I swear, I will better me.

And ... er, DT .. what would you spend the money on ... and er what's your favourite snack food

Hey Bond-Girl:

*edit*

kevvvvv wrote:

And ... er, DT .. what would you spend the money on ... and er what's your favourite snack food

You can get some quite expensive pies and crisps from Marks and Sparks these days you know. With the rest I might buy a pub.....

agent 007 wrote:

But you obviously "got" NOT "the balls" to do it. Becaus you simply can't. On the other side, I "had the balls" to give you my respect, if you had done it really... All this hype here is about your initiated unbelieveble marketing strategy. Now, of course you have to "correct" your claims somehow, to get things under control...

You sound really close to the !J-development guy. Either you are really good friends or one and the same person. In either case, you are one of the biggest idiots I ever seen posting here. If somebody says something you don't agree with, you twist the words until it suits you. You have no honour, manners or respect for anything or anybody except for yourself.

I don't need to 'correct' anything, as I never claimed that VANGUARD is a Virus emulation.

Mighty_Hero has done his post because he wanted to generate some hype. I neither authorized the post nor the release of his MP3. Quite the contrary. I was quite angry with him and I hope that he now sees the damage he has done and learns to keep his mouth shut next time.

If you indeed are so superior to all us lamers, where are your products? I am currently releasing my THIRTEENTH VST product (in cronogical order: TBL, quadraSID, Trasher1/2, JunoX2, Slayer, Beast, Claw, PlastiCZ, XPhraze, VLP120, PLP120, Slayer2, Vanguard) with another two (VCP120 and BPM120) to be released shortly.

Now name even ONE you've done and we're talking...

Until then: fuck off.

spoonboiler wrote:

Hey Bond-Girl: Why are you such a motherfucker? Were you born with a brain defect, or was it some kind of head injury that made you totally incapable of cohesive thought and objective reasoning? When reading your posts, I can't help but think that if you were born an animal you would have been eaten at birth. Generally that is what happens to the retarded ones. In fact, the existance of people like you makes a persuasive argument for mandatory sterilization. Your constant, and often contradictory statements regarding the talents, integrity, and the egg-carrying capacity of the pants of various KvR members and long time synth developers positively screams of low self esteem. And realistically, who could blame you. If I was like you, I too would have a serious self-loathing complex. My heatfelt advice to you would be this: Kill yourself. Just run a nice bath, pick the blades out of your disposeable razor, and remember to cut length-wise, not accross. Seriously. You are a pathetic, nasty, and under endowed excuse for a man. You're a waste of skin, and to allow people like you to go on living, is like just throwing away perfectly good oxygen. "May the fleas from one thousand camels infest your nether regions"; Sincerely, sB)

I only want to repeat your "statement" here again, because its so funny.

...

btw JP Magnier after eating Marks Crisps. Notice the bollocks

agent 007 wrote:

VitaminD wrote: I have noticed you tend to nitpick on kvr instead of offering anything of value.. why is this? Ouups. Yes indeed, one could get this impression... Thereby I am such a nice guy. sometimes. I swear, I will better me.

To try things one can't achieve is nothing
but a pure waste of energy.

MK

Quote:

Until then: fuck off.

Nicely put.

You are a genius even if you get up our noses sometimes

kevvvvv,

hehehe. Do you still want some revenge because I declined your Xphraze requests Just kidding...

Cheers,
Mike

Just want to say: Spoonboiler, those types of hateful, nasty posts don't belong on kvr imo. No matter how much you dislike or disagree with someone, that just some rank shit you posted - totally over the top.

I think there's something in the water here lately.
Post counts shouldn't count, I mean, what if Rob Papen just became a member and got into a thread about sound design, would his opinion not mean anything if he only had 5 posts.?

I'm saddened Michael and Mighty Hero had a falling out today.
I have great respect for Michael for his development skills and the contributions he has and is making in the world of software instruments.
Mighty is my friend and I stand in support of him, if anything he was guilty of over-exuberance and making a poor decision.
I can't speak for him as to why he responded in the thread the way he did but I think I know why.

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote:

I am currently releasing my THIRTEENTH VST product (in cronogical order: TBL, quadraSID, Trasher1/2, JunoX2, Slayer, Beast, Claw, PlastiCZ, XPhraze, VLP120, PLP120, Slayer2, Vanguard) with another two (VCP120 and BPM120) to be released shortly. Now name even ONE you've done and we're talking... Until then: fuck off.

OOhhh.
Why to fuck I don't have even one of those numerous counted VSTIs above...

It must be a big mistake by me to have overseen all those high class developments.

I just own a Virus b.
And have a lot of VSTIs too.

Therefore I wanted to spread my thougths.

MK

Quote:

Do you still want some revenge because I declined your Xphraze requests

Of course I want REVENGE

But what the fuck, I'm playing Manuel's demo again. Fucking "A"

agent 007 wrote:

Therefore I wanted to spread my thougths.

spread like the margarine on a Britsh Airways sandwich...

what's his name?

agent 00-shithead?

All I want to know is, will Vanguard "scream like a bastard" or not?

"Mighty_Hero has done his post because he wanted to generate some hype. I neither authorized the post nor the release of his MP3. Quite the contrary. I was quite angry with him and I hope that he now sees the damage he has done and learns to keep his mouth shut next time."


I somehow KNEW I would be blamed for these weird posts. I did not try to generate a god damn thing, besides more money for you all, and to show others how great a synth vanguard is, and How I get brought into these other eggs in pants and other weird posts is beyond me. I said sorry, you still won't apparently accept my apology, and I am lumped in here somehow??? Like I secretly planned to make a big fuss with you or anyone else for that matter. I really, in all honesty hoped for something along the lines of "wow, I can't wait till this "x" synth is out", "cool", or "viris'ish or SIMILAR type sounds", or.... little things like this.
But I forget I cause HUGE damage???? Do you not honestly think when Mnauel's demo's came out, these same people would be posting the same type posts???
whatever, I think this whole 'tiff' is blwon out of proportion something awful!!! I mean afterall, none of us, have ever made a mistake right??? But throwing me in here somewhere, wow!

All that's left to say is:

Can Elvis shit his own head? At twice his own size?



(Always knew he could )

C'omon guys, we have merely 3826 views yet.

... and barely a kitten to be seen.

Just Elvis, which is putting me off my dinner.

agent 007 wrote:

C'omon guys, we have merely 3826 views yet.

Ah sweet. This little poppet's stagestruck.

Isn't he CUTE???



Devon

DevonB wrote:

Isn't he CUTE??? Devon

he is positively, one of the most gor-jus li'l kittens i've ever seen

Yeh, I can't help but feel that maybe mighty has been mistakenly associated with the ignorance that for some reason sprouted up in that thread. He never even came close to hinting at what synth it was, and I guess just forgot about the inevitable "it sounds crap compared to ______" crowd. And when the lack of civiity reached a high level, he removed it, and left it at that. I really think that, even if he made a mistake in his excitement, his intentions were more than clearly innocent, regardless of what the conspiracy nuts might say. They don't know shit!
MK, I respect you very much, but I really think you should give mighty the benefit of the doubt here, and also realize that no real damage has been done. You did not make this synth to be a fucking virus, and if it has some characteristics in common, well cool. But it is an amazing synth on its own, and those who care about MUSIC, and QUALITY can see what an achievement this is.
And heres something else that bugs me about this type of discussion: Everyone uses a synth in his or her own way. I like to use fm synths for pads, while others use them for bass. My friend uses a VA to make sh 101 type squelch sounds, while I prefer to use the same one for PWM and phase sync leads. So what? So some weekend warrier who got his parents to buy him a hot new HW synth hears a demo of something that is supposed to sound similar, and right away says,"hey, that doesn't sound anything like mine!!! you must be LYING, or just STUPID and DEAF!" But that is because somebody else made the damn demo! That person is not necesarily interested in using the filter in that certain way that the guy listening to the demo might use it. When I made one of my VSTi's I got some other devs to contribute some presets, and the sounds I got back were absolutey shocking in some cases. One guy got sounds out of it that I had no idea it could even make, and I designed the f-ing thing. If I had heard a demo track using those sounds, there is no possible way I could have guessed that those sounds could be from that synth. I would love to see what bond-girl would have said if mighty had posted something from his Virus, and said it was from a VSTi he was testing, and it was supposed to sound like a virus. Probably the reaction would have been the exact same, unless he happens to use the same presets as the nay-sayers. Fortunately, I don't think he would do something that dishonest.
I would though.

pffft, I've had that fucker;



as you do.......

donkey tugger wrote:

pffft, I've had that fucker; as you do.......

ROTFLMAO

Take this you foul DT BEAST!



Devon

fuck it, i was bored last night.

Is this kitten sex?

Looks like grooming to me. Nonce.

donkey tugger wrote:

fuck it, i was bored last night.

this one sent me over the edge. i can't stop laughing. shit. better call 911

<croons>

love on the rocks
hasn't a chance
when everyone's got
eggs in their pants

Come on eurocheesies (hmmm, good name, wonder if I could sell it to the BBC - kids tv show about 4 trance musos in brightly coloured outfits....), there's a flamin to be done.

kevvvvv wrote:

Is this kitten sex?

Isn't this the 'hoover' sound that someone was going on about in some other thread?

This cat grooming has to stop

You sick people!

I love you

We love you too Greels, even your jaaath futhion. So I've got you a bird for the weekend;





(no potatoshop involved )

Ah well, I can rebuild her with rethynethith.

Might need a bit of subtractive processing too

Yeth!

Is it just me, or does she look like Richard James aka Aphex twin?

kevvvvv wrote:

This cat grooming has to stop

that's just sick.

poor kitty. it must be for real huh? the image looks authentic enough

That girl is nasty.


Wow the McDonalds cover girl.

Or Rochester N.Y

My wife, my kids, come down to my secret lab and I'm sitting here by myself howling uproariously. STOP IT!!! They are going to take my computer away. My wife, a school nurse, is threatening to send me to the school psychologist.

A big "Hats Off" to the "it don't sound like a Virus" squad for isnpiring the absolute hilarity that has just transpired...well worth following the thread.

That's it! Sod the GUI I will upgrade. Colour me impressed. The upgrade had better include this sound set. Wooo hooo now I can pump out Eurocheese remixes of my pop material.



Oh and to ReFX, have that guy design a Virus inspired sound bank and watch your pockets fill with cash.

I like everything they make... The Beast kicks ass!

Does it do TB303 sounds as well?

Lady J,

as I said (earlier somewhere): the soundset is included as the factory-bank. 128 Virus inspired sounds by Manuel Schleis (Vengeance-sound).

Cheers,
Mike

Any news on a potential release date Michael?

Since everything is done (apart from one bug): this monday OK for you?

Cheers,
Mike

oh okay then, if we have to wait

Miro wrote:

Is it just me, or does she look like Richard James aka Aphex twin?

Are you sure that's a girl? "It" has one earring, and perhaps man-boobs?

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote:

Since everything is done (apart from one bug): this monday OK for you? Cheers, Mike

NO


just kidding


seriously though, any idea on pricing for ^$&#X2 users to upgrade to the FULL version of vanguard? I am poor for the next few weeks so am wondering..hope it's not too much

Virus? I thought it was a Juno!

I can look over 007, but I don't understand Michael’s anger at Mighty_Hero. What damage? Publicity? I would hope that both are mature enough to let this drop and move on. I hate to see two normally intelligent and valued members of our forum dragging this out in public.

Monday sounds good. Looking forward to it.

Robert

torhan wrote:

Miro wrote: Is it just me, or does she look like Richard James aka Aphex twin? Are you sure that's a girl? "It" has one earring, and perhaps man-boobs?

ah... a few beers later and who cares?

From what I've read I understood Mighty_Hero never actually revealed it was vanguard he was demoing and I think the demo was ok. It didn't change my mind about this product, which means I'm still looking forward to it. I think he was just excited about the product that's all.

twister wrote:

Hmm, we are talking about ReFX and Vanguard. So, how come Lady J is not here?

I am. However this brings up a point. As some of you know, I've recently been signed to a deal with major distribution. My life is about to get busier than I can imagine and though I will still pop in now and again, I will not be able to follow every single thread anymore as I'll be way too busy on music.

But I have to say I am very interested in this vanguard thing, and i HATE trance. I do however see the commericial usefulness of these sounds and I can also see this synth being big amongst hardhouse, breaks and drum 'n bass heads.

Well done Michael. I can't wait to put my "SuperNovaNova" skin on this

"Eurocheese"
"virus clone"
"be unique"

....

The funny thing is that only 2 of the writers in this thread actually have and played Vanguard.

No one really tried it (a part Michael and Mighty Hero). You all only heard 2 demos: Mighty mp3 and the fantastic presets demo made by Manuel. Still, i see biblical judgemets, hirony, complaints.

Eurocheese: Yes, Vanguard produces pretty fine trance and techno sounds. Many people looks for this kind of sound those days. Manuel demo is showing mostly trance sounds, and his bank has a lot of quality trance sounds. Is there anything bad in this? You don't like trance? So, what's the point in criticising a synth that can *also* produce good trance sounds? Yes, *also*. In fact, it can do a lot of other interesting sounds. Much like many VA synths out there. But with reFX charachter.

Eurocheese part2: it can be eurocheese. A question of tastes, very subjective. It happens someone just prefer "eurocheese" to all the wave of Pop-HipHop-Rap-Rock-D&B-Triphop crap coming from USA, Japan and other coutries (including europe).

Virus Clone: Vanguard is *not* a virus clone, and never was meant to be one.

Virus Clone part2: Newsflash of the day. The virus is a tb303 clone. Yes, don't you know? It makes very good 303 sounds, so it is a clone. Nice, uh?

Be unique: so what? Please, explain me. The gui isn't "unique"? The fact vanguard is a VA vsti isn't "unique". Guys, you miss the point. Uniqueness of *all* reFX plugs is the combination of easyness of use and *charachter* of the sound.

.....

Migthy_Hero,

You're bad. You've made me a great damage.


Now gimme that TRUE numbers

-René

how about 5,13,18,27,30 and 42


and before anyone asks what these are they are lotto numbers rene and I have always done

as DHS has said, it is ALOT more than a virus or euro cheese. if anything as well, I wished I never said the virus word, since folks get all weird, and say it doesn't sound it, or some do etc etc etc. vanguard can and will be used for more than trance, dance music. I have another example of some beautiful pads and the 303 (which yes it sounds damn good) but I am not going to post anymore examples, just in case it is taken wrong. and NO this is not an attack or meant wrong, I am being serious.
You guys are hating on it, and haven't even played with the demo.......vanguard will impress you I am certain of it.

Hi Brice,

everythings fine now. Forgiven and forget. I spend a lot more time here than I wanted and I have to rush things a bit, so please never do such a thing again. If you have other demos you would like to release, send them to me first.

Cheers,
Mike

will do. I am fine with you as well, and have been

ok, so you all quit waiting on vanguard

Mighty_Hero wrote:

how about 5,13,18,27,30 and 42 and before anyone asks what these are they are lotto numbers rene and I have always done

You liar, I know these numbers are part of your and Rene's devious plan to bring ReFX down to its knees. You bastars. You both deserve a good 'ni'-ing. 'NI'

riiiiigggghhhhttt



by the way, if anyone ever wins from my numbers I put up in Rene's area here, , you owe mw money

It's time for a GROUP-HUG!

Peter.

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote:

Hi Brice, everythings fine now. Forgiven and forget. I spend a lot more time here than I wanted and I have to rush things a bit, so please never do such a thing again. If you have other demos you would like to release, send them to me first. Cheers, Mike

hey..these numbers '5,13,18,27,30 and 42' came up in the italien lotto last week...3.4 million i think..weird or what

%^@#!!!

I was all set to post my gif yesterday and BOOM KvR goes down. It takes hours to come back up, but now all the giffing is done. Ane then I posted it in the wrong %^@#ing thread!

Well I don't care. I'm posting it here anyways.

hey..these numbers '5,13,18,27,30 and 42' came up in the italien lotto last week...3.4 million i think..weird or what

hey..these numbers '5,13,18,27,30 and 42' came up in the italien lotto last week...3.4 million i think..weird or what

I say then give me my money!!!!!

hit the submit only once

hey..these numbers '5,13,18,27,30 and 42' came up in the italien lotto last week...3.4 million i think..weird or what

whoa..way too many times..it wasnt that funny

pough wrote:

%^@#!!! I was all set to post my gif yesterday and BOOM KvR goes down. It takes hours to come back up, but now all the giffing is done. Ane then I posted it in the wrong %^@#ing thread! Well I don't care. I'm posting it here anyways.

Ya, but does the cat work cheap?

Top gif pough. bit too fucking posh for my liking , grumble grumble

DT ... you should look after that cat of yours better

Uh oh ... here's just heard another Virus dem

Just a note.
Sorry 'bout that post I made earlier.
It was "way over the top". thanx for pointing that out.
I have edited the content, and want to appologize for venting such foul sentiments on this forum.
sB)

kevvvvv wrote:

DT ... you should look after that cat of yours better

Rubbish! He's fine;

Michael Kleps from reFX wrote:

Since everything is done (apart from one bug): this monday OK for you? Cheers, Mike

Woo, just as I get a week off school . One question though: Will a demo be available, and if so, what restrictions will be in place?

Dying to have a play

kevvvvv wrote:

Uh oh ... here's just heard another Virus dem

Man, that MUST be DT's long lost cat! Ciggy and all!

Devon

What I want to know is...

..Why the hell wasn't I asked to do a demo for this fine looking soft-synth hmmm?

*pouts*



Arksun
www.arksun.co.uk

Arksun wrote:

What I want to know is... ..Why the hell wasn't I asked to do a demo for this fine looking soft-synth hmmm? *pouts* Arksun www.arksun.co.uk

i don't know, but feel free to write some excellent presets for it (hint, hint)

I would like to hear arksun make a demo as well.

Mighty_Hero wrote:

I would like to hear arksun make a demo as well.

Yeah, me too! Hey Mighty_Hero, maybe you can let Arksun borrow your version of Vanguard VSTi you beta-testing? I'm sure Michael Kleps wouldn't mind

Well, it's really up to reFX who gets any kind of beta or test copy and I'm guessing they feel they certainly don't need any more commisioned demos.

Though I do think it's a shame that vanguard demo was almost 80% concentrating on the cliché fat saw lead sound and was just made of small little sporadic elements rather than a complete multi-layered affair, I'm sure this synth is capable of much more.

If reFX are looking for another official demo, whilst i usually only do sound design work professionaly on commision, i'd be willing to make something for free if i was given a copy to play with, some presets too of course

If you're reading this Michael Kleps, for a reference point I have some presets made for albino and an albino mp3 demo I made on my website at:

www.arksun.co.uk (on reviews/sound design page)

Also I did the official demo for Linplugs CronoX2 synth, called 'CronoX Megablast' and that's available at:

http://www.linplug.com/Products/CronoX/cronox.htm

Regards

Arksun

You are the one who did this great Cronox demo?




...and to reFX

kevvvvv wrote:

Is this kitten sex?

That looks like my cat, Tut. Well, I've never given him a "vacuum-job" before -- oh, and I am not planning to. My cat is waiting for a FEDEX delivery of a bunch of toys and treats from PETCO. If my cat sees this picture, the toys my wife and I got for him will be a gigantic let-down.

I think I'll ask my wife for a vacuum-job tonight. Tut, however, will NOT be invited to join in.

my cat also looks like this, he drops hair everywhere, but is afraid of the vacuum. If this picture is anything to go by, i now understand why that is.

Oo-er ... return of the kittens - my dog nearly ate one last night. My cat was beating one up, so I went out to save it, but the dog got out by mistake and then they both ganged up on the poor little bastard. The dog was making funny coughing noises all night - probably had a cat bone stuck in its throat or summat?

Anyways...where did the Virus come into the thread? Vanguard is a replacement for JunoX2 - which anyone who uses it will know is an AlphaJuno type VSTi, particularly specialised for fat saw leads and hoovers - that's what it does, that's what it was meant to do. And does it very well. Why would anyone want an AlphaJuno to be a Virus? - I don't see any logic there. Would I buy a MS20 VSTi and complain about it not sounding like a Prophet? FFS some people are never happy. And respect to Mike K ... a developer who tells people to fuck off when they are being silly - I think we actually need more of those. I'll upgrade to the full Vanguard just because of that special moment.

Anyone know what the upgrade price for the full version is likely to be by the way?

And can dogs catch feline HIV? Maybe we should cook the kittens rather than letting them be eaten raw?

*sighs*

the virus part came from ME, because I OWN a virus, and there are alot of sounds in vanguard, which REALLY closely resemble virus patches....now this is only a GOOD THING, because if you wanted the "closest" thing for just this reason, it is here.
BUT, it is ALSO so much more, so that makes it even BETTER right?????? It is not hard to figure out folks really, *not meant to be mean honest*......if you want or POSSIBLY ever wanted virus type sounds, well then good, you are covered. Vanguard also shines in many, many other ways, so that's even better. You get the best of BOTH worlds, please stop saying "only" virus comments, there isn't even a demo out yet. It will impress you, no matter what your tastes are okay?

Now, onto something different, PLEASE.

I've just read right now all the 13 pages of posts in here to learn about the latest action ( I heard some pub fight was going on hehe )
Anyway, Mighty_Hero , Dont worry man, I for example know you meant well with this post and I could see you were worried when your reputation was in stake. You meant well and I believe no harm was done at all, quite the contrary - look at the amount of publicity Vanguard received here, many readers will check out its demo.
Anyway, Everyone are cool already as I've read, Mike forgave you about this already.
Everyone have a good day

Yes I wanted Mike to forgive me first, but these other folks, who continue to go on and on with the virus jokes..........it's not needed.......just wait till the demo comes out, they play with it, and here will come all the posts, about "did you know this sounds real?" etc etc....

I can't wait to see the new patches myself guys, and I HAVE the beta right here, if this tells you anything. Look at ALL my posts, and see If I lie...

anyways, all old news now, vanguard, when it is released, will turn heads, not meant to cause people to see 'controversy' or whatever it just will.

the vengeance demo sounds killer.. I've played it several times over now.. and wow

I think I'll eventually be getting this one..