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AuthorTopic: Check out my knobs!!
ianweb123
Posted: 12th March 2004 02:12
As hinted at in another thread & in an effort to be a tease I enclose a small snippet of the sound of the new Etiquet 2.. This time I am concentrating on trying to make it an instrument with lots of expression, hopefully this example will show that I am on my way to this end..

http://www.krakli.co.uk/music/etiquet2_1.mp3

(P.S. I know that the opening sound and pad are not especially stringy(!) It is the lead line that I was concentrating on..)
ianweb123
Posted: 13th March 2004 12:58
OK .. my audio example obviously left you all totally underwhelmed, Confused ...so I rename the thread to attract the innuendo lovers and see if the graphics will gat you more excited!!??



I think that we can all agree that it is quite a departure from the previous Etiquet... Smile
Col.G
Posted: 13th March 2004 13:35
Sounds great!
And it looks like tits! Shocked
Sepheritoh
Posted: 13th March 2004 13:55
Sounds cool. Looks a shocker.
JohnVulich
Posted: 13th March 2004 14:18
Naughty, naughty...

Surprised
ianweb123
Posted: 13th March 2004 14:33
Sepheritoh wrote:
Looks a shocker.


could you expand on that ..?
Sepheritoh
Posted: 13th March 2004 14:52
That pic you got here looks like it can blow any mind away Very Happy

Thanks for all those great synths & fx Ian.
ianweb123
Posted: 13th March 2004 15:01
Sepheritoh wrote:
Looks a shocker.


Sepheritoh wrote:
That pic you got here looks like it can blow any mind away Very Happy


Oh thanks for that, I was unsure as Shocker can mean bad where I come from..! Very Happy
jens
Posted: 13th March 2004 15:11
sounds incredibly beautyful Surprised
amoebe
Posted: 13th March 2004 16:39
That GUI reminds me of Rainbow Islands. The fourth island to be more precise. Very Happy
There's much expression in that synthlead. I wonder how many parameters were changing over time. It sounds very good.
Purna
Posted: 13th March 2004 17:20
Very beautiful demo and instrument. By the way, I like your music ianweb123. As a matter of fact I voted no.1 for your song last month. Very Happy
ianweb123
Posted: 13th March 2004 17:37
Purna wrote:
Very beautiful demo and instrument. By the way, I like your music ianweb123. As a matter of fact I voted no.1 for your song last month. Very Happy
Thank you very much, my music making, which was once important to me, now takes a bit of a back seat, so that means a lot to me..


I've always been a big fan of the dreamy ballad

or is that the dreary salad!! Laughing
Jack R
Posted: 13th March 2004 19:29
Sounds great, really like the demo clip!
I'm a fan of the original etiquet, can't wait to check this one out. Very Happy
The GUI looks awesome by the way.
havran
Posted: 13th March 2004 19:47
that's a really nice, expressive lead

nice knobs, too
tconrardy
Posted: 13th March 2004 23:51
Hi Ian

Your new project looks great.

However..whatever happened to addo? I think all you had to do was to make the letters more readable. Its a great little synth ( and I think I did about 30 presets:-)I recently put it up in Tracktion and went thru the sounds again, so glad you started this thread so I could ask you. I think you should release it.

TC
mystahr
Posted: 14th March 2004 01:20
This sounds extremely tasty Ian.....

Amoebe wrote:
I wonder how many parameters were changing over time.


I am wondering the same here, and how midi-controllable is this string wonder Very Happy

Mark
elv
Posted: 14th March 2004 02:23
Wow is all I can say that sound so full of emotion Smile
ianweb123
Posted: 14th March 2004 02:42
Mystahr wrote:
This sounds extremely tasty Ian.....

Amoebe wrote:
I wonder how many parameters were changing over time.


I am wondering the same here, and how midi-controllable is this string wonder Very Happy

Mark


I wasn't manually changing any parameters.. Shocked I have used velocity control on both Amplitude and filter, but, more importantly, you can also dial it in to the attack , decay & sustain of the Amp envelope. This means the harder I hit the shorter the Attack becomes and the longer the Decay and Sustain is... It means that you can really get some expression in just by the way you play. As I said to somebody else this thing is also a Pad-Monsta.. especially as the filter is anything but conventional, and this means that even with a simple ADSR you can get some evolving sounds..

Try it, I'm sure you won't be disappointed!!
ianweb123
Posted: 14th March 2004 02:52
tconrardy wrote:

However..whatever happened to addo? I think all you had to do was to make the letters more readable. Its a great little synth ( and I think I did about 30 presets:-)... I think you should release it.
TC


I'm glad that you asked, Tim. Despite the fact that both you and the other patch writers turned out some excellent sounds, which really showed addo off to its best advantage, the basic sound of the plug left me feeling dissapointed. Because it was being 'sold' as an additive type synth I thought that the users would be expecting something a little more 'Airy' sounding and addo leant more towards the drawbar organ sound to me..

However having said that I made that decision whilst I was in an off-mood with the whole vsti thing and so, in light of your comments I will revisit the plug and see if it can be rescued!!

Thanks again for your efforts.. I am ashamed that I asked you to do the work and never took advantage of it.. Sad

ATB

Ian
ianweb123
Posted: 14th March 2004 02:59
.. and finally for anybody that fancies a 4.5mb download here's something that Tomita (and Debussy!) did a whole lot better, but never using Krakli synths.. Laughing

A couple of etEquets, a couple of Rticul8s, a Ring , an abacus and a couple of Meta4s



http://www.krakli.co.uk/music/claredelune.mp3
kritikon
Posted: 14th March 2004 06:34
I liked the MP3 - nice lead. I rarely d/l VSTis nowadays, and buy few of them, partly because of the limitations so many seem to have with LFOs - lots of LFO shapes, offsets, mod destinations etc, but no envelope in sight - not a delay or a fade-in anywhere.

So a big thumbs up for having the good taste to put in a delay on the vibrato. I don't like the implementation of using a wheel for introducing vibrato - often it just isn't smooth enough, whereas a good vibrato delay does wonders for me. You are a gent, sir.
ianweb123
Posted: 14th March 2004 06:47
I agree about the delayed vibrato, which is why it has been a standard feature on all my most recent plugs.. Cool
tconrardy
Posted: 14th March 2004 10:21
ianweb123 wrote:
tconrardy wrote:

However..whatever happened to addo? I think all you had to do was to make the letters more readable. Its a great little synth ( and I think I did about 30 presets:-)... I think you should release it.
TC


I'm glad that you asked, Tim. Despite the fact that both you and the other patch writers turned out some excellent sounds, which really showed addo off to its best advantage, the basic sound of the plug left me feeling dissapointed. Because it was being 'sold' as an additive type synth I thought that the users would be expecting something a little more 'Airy' sounding and addo leant more towards the drawbar organ sound to me..

However having said that I made that decision whilst I was in an off-mood with the whole vsti thing and so, in light of your comments I will revisit the plug and see if it can be rescued!!

Thanks again for your efforts.. I am ashamed that I asked you to do the work and never took advantage of it.. Sad

ATB

Ian


The sound is like Additive, but IMHO it sounds more like FM, which is a big plus. You can get some nice FM sounding pad textures as well as very delicate sounds. But you do need an external Reverb/delay to make the sounds come alive ( again IMHO)
I would highly recommend you release it in one way or another!!

WE WANT ADDO..WE WANT ADDO ! WE WANT ADDO !!
...( amounting to the stomping at Helms Deep Surprised Shit! Smile

TC
Steven West
Posted: 14th March 2004 19:22
Super synth Ian! Very Happy And a nice BIG gui for blind bats like me! Wink But it seemed really CPU intense for me and me wee lappy? Confused Those patches just beg me to do some big chords, but 'chooooooke!'
At best, I can get duophony out of it. Sad

Do you think there might be a way to bring it's 'hunger' down a bit? The delay is nice, but isn't it a bit of a CPU hog at times? Confused And lord knows each one of us probably has a mitt full of delays from MDA to We-Make-You-Pay, if one of us NEEDS a big delay to be on a patch? Wink

But I definately like the tone of this! It has that Wendy Carlos saturated vocoder feel to me greatly, and just wish I could build up great crescendos with this. Crying or Very sad
ianweb123
Posted: 15th March 2004 01:42
Quite hard for me to guage CPU usage these days as I am running an AMD 2.8+ and this plugs struggles to get above 4% at the beat (worst) of times..

I could strip out the delays but they are not the main CPU usage culprits, this plug does have a number of Oscillators and Filters and they will be what is doing the damage..

Don't forget that this is not designed to replace Etiquet, so if you found that more CPU friendly then use that for your string sounds..

The GUI was designed to be J Dub size friendly.. wait till you see what I have cooked up as the EZ-Poly GUI (further to your comments)..

ATB

Ian
Steven West
Posted: 15th March 2004 08:38
Thanks a bunch Ian. Very Happy Someone had said once before that delays were pretty intense, but your explanation makes alot of sense as well. I learn something new here everyday. Wink

What I may do with Etiquet2 is multi-sample and loop my fave patches onto my EX5 synth. Sure, it's alot of work - but those tones are just begging for massive polyphony to me! Very Happy

But thanks again for the bigger GUI's, and am looking foward to seeing how you cook up EZ Poly now! Very Happy
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