Thinking of getting one seeing as there now around £160 new, any one got one and recommend it, or not recommend it.

I make Trance and Hard Trance and the mp3 demo's on the website sound pretty good.

Any other thought, or if any one knows where there going even cheaper that would be sweet.

I used to have one, but sold it and went for V-Station as it was simpler to edit. The hardware A-Station will propbably never have a software editor as the unit's MIDI implementation did not have the required features. Good sounding unit though, so if you can put up with the front panel its a cheap option these days.

oh yeah I'm not bothered about that. I would get a K station but i just can't afford that. wish i could.

if you're after a vstation (i.e the software version of the k-station) then try soundcontrol (UK) - they were selling them for £50 + delivery

xanda123 wrote:

oh yeah I'm not bothered about that. I would get a v station but i just can't afford that. wish i could.

hmm.. they're selling the v-station for £55 here in a special offer and I see them around £75 in other places? how can you get an a-station cheaper than that?

Albino is a very very good synth for dance/trance/hardcore.. maybe you should look into that option instead

sorry got the k and v confused, i've compared the v station to the k and the v doesn't have anything like the sound that the k has, hard ware synths are so much better, there in a class of there own.

Don't what the v station its wank, sorry I want hardware not software, i meant i can afford the k station thats why i'm opting fot the a station

Xanda123: You are a spoiled brat. You can't afford A Station, but in this post http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40775&highlight= you stated that in addition to previously listed Albino, Z3ta, and Vanguard, you also have Novation Bass Station, Reason, Waldorf Attack, Kontakt, Intakt, Pro 53 and 52, FM7, Vaz 2010, Oddity, Albino, Absynth, Edirol orchestral??? Common, do you think everybody at this forum is that stupid?

twister wrote:

Xanda123: You are a spoiled brat. You can't afford A Station, but in this post http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40775&highlight= you stated that in addition to previously listed Albino, Z3ta, and Vanguard, you also have Novation Bass Station, Reason, Waldorf Attack, Kontakt, Intakt, Pro 53 and 52, FM7, Vaz 2010, Oddity, Albino, Absynth, Edirol orchestral??? Common, do you think everybody at this forum is that stupid?

You know that some people can get vsti´s really cheap

I have a K-station and it does sound better than the V-station.

Id jump all over the A if you could.

twister wrote:

Xanda123: You are a spoiled brat. You can't afford A Station, but in this post http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40775&highlight= you stated that in addition to previously listed Albino, Z3ta, and Vanguard, you also have Novation Bass Station, Reason, Waldorf Attack, Kontakt, Intakt, Pro 53 and 52, FM7, Vaz 2010, Oddity, Albino, Absynth, Edirol orchestral??? Common, do you think everybody at this forum is that stupid?

Yeah well most of them I have got a presents for chrtimas birthdays and saved up for them, but at the moment I can't afford a k station. Trust me if I had any means I would get one but at this present moment in time I've only got about £150.

I'm just trying to find out wheather this is a good investment. Why all the snide remarks.

Remember that the V-Statin is a model of the A-Station. The K-Station is an upgraded version with more power, polyphony and parts and can be expected to sound better than A or V. The V-Station and A-Station sound very much alike. All are great for the sounds you want. I was lucky enought to get the KSR and am very happy with it.

Robert

++Remember that the V-Statin is a model of the A-Station. The K-Station is an upgraded version with more power, polyphony and parts and can be expected to sound better than A or V. The V-Station and A-Station sound very much alike. All are great for the sounds you want. I was lucky enought to get the KSR and am very happy with it. ++

The original K-station has the exact specs of the A station, except it has a keyboard and knobs. Then there are the 49 key and 61 key K-stations, which offer more poly, etc.

I have the original K-station, the mini guy. I have run it next to a V-station nad it just sounds better.

Oops. Sorry. I meant the KS4, KS5 and KSR are upgraded versions with more power, polyphony and layers. The K Station is an A Station with keys and sounds just like the V Station when used on a good computer with a good sound card.

Robert

++The K Station is an A Station with keys and sounds just like the V Station when used on a good computer with a good sound card. ++

No it doesn't.

p4 3.1 cpu
1 gig ddr 333
delta 66
event 20/20 bas monitors

Montana wrote:

No it doesn't.

Rabid wrote:

Yes it does.

Montana wrote:

No it doesn't.

Rabid wrote:

Yes it does.

Montana wrote:

NO IT DOES NOT.

Rabid wrote:

YES IT DOES.

Montana wrote:

Does not.

Rabid wrote:

Does so.

Montana wrote:

Does NOT.

Rabid wrote:

Does SO.

There. I thought I would get us through the process of mindless arguing since it has already been covered in other threads.

Robert

No it doesn't / yes it does.

Both are correct

Some of the patches you'd be hard pressed to tell a difference between. Other patches have more obvious differences.
I would question what monitoring setup someone has if they CAN'T hear a difference on any patches though. I suspect Novation reached a stage with the V-Station where they decided not to make further refinements in order to keep the hardware sounding slightly better.
I still think you'd be better off getting the V-Station for £50 though, and spend the money saved elsewhere.

Basically i know that hard ware is better my friends got the k staiton and v-station and we tested the difference one day.

I went out the room and he played on and I said which one was hard ware and which one was software, I got it it right for twenty times out of twenty times. The hard ware sound so much warmer.

And at the extreme ends of the keyboard the hard ware was even more distinguishable form the software.

This is why I want an a station I don't mind paying the extra, because hard ware is so much better.

oh,in that case it must be true
sorry i didnt realise you had actually tested it scientifically and came up with cold hard fact.

I know what you mean to be honest before I did this I did argue many times with my friend about the hardware/software thing, he did have a smugg look on his face when he proved me wrong.

Although i do think that software does have the patential to become better because, a synthesiser had no where near the amount of power that computers have these days so maybe in the future, if they utilise this extra power the software will become better.

Funny, Bones, of all people, recorded for us both the hard and soft versions, and most people couldn't tell the difference. Every other person who's stated that one sounds better that the other has not posted proof, but gets all pissy and offended when we ask for it. Prove to us with audio examples, please, because I still don't believe anyone who states such. I have V Station to post counter examples if needed.

Devon

Knock yerself out with some of the demos here:
www.soundonsound.com/soundbank/NovationAStation.php

Try something like the Keyboard5 patch..

Be sure to play in the highest octaves..

That's where most of the differences are - at the high and low end.

I'll speak to my mate and get him to bang some on a cd, probably won't see him till tuesday so i'll try and get it on next week.

I still don't understand why novation started to make cheaper synths.
I hope they will release a more advanced version of th v-station, something like the supernova 2 would be nice, but still, I think they should come with a totally new (soft) synth, which is way more powerfull then v-station.

xanda123 wrote:

I'll speak to my mate and get him to bang some on a cd, probably won't see him till tuesday so i'll try and get it on next week.

Good, thank you. Audio examples speaks volumes above 'well, I heard it, and it just is'. I knew I should have waited on packing up that Remote 25 Audio for the K Station update to come out. Oh well.

Devon

Hi

In all fairness as soon as you record a sound it becomes 'second generation' (at best) - so how will a wav file be an indicator if one is to be in anyway 'Scientific' about the whole thing?

Listerning to hardware via direct amplification is already 'interfering' with the sound - putting it through a preamp/soundcard is further altering it; and then recording to wav!!!

These wav comparisons are not very 'scientific' - the only way has to be in situ - to have both set up as per the chap that posted stating he had done so - even then it a free for all - does anyone remember the HI-FI magazines blind test's where someone preffered a £100 Dual turntable to a Linn Sondek, Sme tonearm and some esoteric japanese cartridge costing £3,000!!!

I sold my Supernova2 a while back and have no doubt it was sonically superior to my softsynth's but I don't really care; would you notice the difference in a mix or more importantly would 'John Doe' notice the subltle sonic excesses it imparts on a D&B track @180BPM played in a club at 3am to a bunch of sweaty high flyers over a 20k rig?

Flipper.

thats the point flipper,it is not fact its opinion.and that is all it ever wll be.
its a sound remember how can you quantify which is best?

Hi

By the way Vurt - Why does the 'Cunt' come out with such 'Bollocks'?

Flipper.

i dont know to be honest.i think he has a small penis and feels laughing at others tragedy gives him a thrill?
best ignored at times like this.which is a shame really cos when hes ok,and known as reg pheonix he does some great tunes

original flipper wrote:

Hi In all fairness as soon as you record a sound it becomes 'second generation' (at best) - so how will a wav file be an indicator if one is to be in anyway 'Scientific' about the whole thing?

Nothing has to be 'scientific', just want to deem it busllshit or not according to my ears. As long as it's at least 192k encoded, I'll be happy. So yes, about as scientific as 'Britney Spears sucks', but hey, I like to hear things for myself sometime.

Devon

xanda123 wrote:

Basically i know that hard ware is better my friends got the k staiton and v-station and we tested the difference one day. I went out the room and he played on and I said which one was hard ware and which one was software, I got it it right for twenty times out of twenty times. The hard ware sound so much warmer. And at the extreme ends of the keyboard the hard ware was even more distinguishable form the software. This is why I want an a station I don't mind paying the extra, because hard ware is so much better.

in that case your friend is deperately in need of
a proper soundcard

(I know I know I shouldn't reply to this stoopid argument, but anyway:)

All the Novation synthesizers are nothing else than dedicated computers in a dedicated case - the sound
is generated by microchips which are processing specialized algorithms - just like a pc that runs
a vst - what makes up for the sound quality is
the quality of the algorithms - which are the same
for the k-station and the v-station if we believe
in Novations' own statements - and the quality of the d/a-converters

'Hardware sounds warmer' is such a stoopid myth
when you talk about VA-synthesizers, it's a shame
that it's still brought up by some naive folks.

I have the K-station. I have had a copy of V-station. The K station sounds better.

This was refrenced on a delta 66 and a pair of powered event 20/20bas in a treated room.


What was your listening environment when you did this comparison? the upper and lower octaves on the K-station sounded full and powerful. Not so on the VST.

Montana wrote:

I have the K-station. I have had a copy of V-station. The K station sounds better. This was refrenced on a delta 66 and a pair of powered event 20/20bas in a treated room. What was your listening environment when you did this comparison? the upper and lower octaves on the K-station sounded full and powerful. Not so on the VST.

What do you think where this difference comes from?

b.t.w.: I read reviews about v-station in two keyboard magazines where they did comparisons and they couldn't find any difference

In my experience, the V-station sounds better then the A-station...Cleaner and more powerfull.

What do you think where this difference comes from?



b.t.w.: I read reviews about v-station in two keyboard magazines where they did comparisons and they couldn't find any difference [/quote]

I don't really care what you all think and reviews in magazines I have done the comparison and its sounds better theres no contest.

I agree aswell at the high and low ends of the keyboard, the v-station starts to sound really crunchy instead like when you put a wav sample in kontakt the further up and down the keyboard you go the sound just loses quality.

On the k station it doesn't do this.

original flipper wrote:

Hi In all fairness as soon as you record a sound it becomes 'second generation' (at best) - so how will a wav file be an indicator if one is to be in anyway 'Scientific' about the whole thing? Listerning to hardware via direct amplification is already 'interfering' with the sound - putting it through a preamp/soundcard is further altering it; and then recording to wav!!! These wav comparisons are not very 'scientific' - the only way has to be in situ - to have both set up as per the chap that posted stating he had done so - even then it a free for all - does anyone remember the HI-FI magazines blind test's where someone preffered a £100 Dual turntable to a Linn Sondek, Sme tonearm and some esoteric japanese cartridge costing £3,000!!! I sold my Supernova2 a while back and have no doubt it was sonically superior to my softsynth's but I don't really care; would you notice the difference in a mix or more importantly would 'John Doe' notice the subltle sonic excesses it imparts on a D&B track @180BPM played in a club at 3am to a bunch of sweaty high flyers over a 20k rig? Flipper.

Well I suggested you just compare some hardware and software your self cause I don't think any one believes till they hear it.

I know cause I was exactly the same.

xanda123 wrote:

original flipper wrote: Hi In all fairness as soon as you record a sound it becomes 'second generation' (at best) - so how will a wav file be an indicator if one is to be in anyway 'Scientific' about the whole thing? Listerning to hardware via direct amplification is already 'interfering' with the sound - putting it through a preamp/soundcard is further altering it; and then recording to wav!!! These wav comparisons are not very 'scientific' - the only way has to be in situ - to have both set up as per the chap that posted stating he had done so - even then it a free for all - does anyone remember the HI-FI magazines blind test's where someone preffered a £100 Dual turntable to a Linn Sondek, Sme tonearm and some esoteric japanese cartridge costing £3,000!!! I sold my Supernova2 a while back and have no doubt it was sonically superior to my softsynth's but I don't really care; would you notice the difference in a mix or more importantly would 'John Doe' notice the subltle sonic excesses it imparts on a D&B track @180BPM played in a club at 3am to a bunch of sweaty high flyers over a 20k rig? Flipper. Well I suggested you just compare some hardware and software your self cause I don't think any one believes till they hear it. I know cause I was exactly the same.

don't you get it? the 'hardware you speak of is nothing esle than a decicated(specialized) computer
that runs software - it is NOT more hardware than
a pc that runs a vsti - you're believing in a myth
- that is the reason you cannot explain where this diffrence comes from

again:

Minimoog = analog hardware

K-Station = software that simulates analog hardware

pc running V-Station = software that simulates analog hardware

jens,i dont think were going to get through.his ears are obviously different to the rest of the population of the planet that can hear a differene between the same thing

Yes, I guess I'm a moron for that I still try

nah,what else can you do?
you are right and have science on your side.

take em down jens

here's my scientific finding: V station is K in a draft and dwarf mode. those who know, know

Look I'm not super human or anything its just its pretty obvious when you hear it.

Another point if the v-station was the same as the k-station no one would buy the k-station and they would stop selling it. because no one in there right mind would pay £400 for something when they can get it for however much the v-station is around hundred pounds I think.

I guess you guys are right!

After all ,there's absolutely no difference between the waldor PPG and the PGG plugin.


Jens and Yurt are relying on reviews from keyboard magazines (with ads in their magazines by synth makers that pay their bills) instead of actually listening to the comparison for themselves.

Kind of sheep like, eh?

Montana wrote:

I guess you guys are right! After all ,there's absolutely no difference between the waldor PPG and the PGG plugin. Jens and Yurt are relying on reviews from keyboard magazines (with ads in their magazines by synth makers that pay their bills) instead of actually listening to the comparison for themselves. Kind of sheep like, eh?

And beliving someone on a forum who has no reputation is better I suppose?

Devon

no my basis is made through listening to people who i know for a fact have been using both analog and digital synths as well as vsts since before you were born my friend and also on my own ears.i have nowhere stated the opposite to your statement as fact all i point out is that you are offering only opinion.
the actual fact of the matter is as jens pointed out,you are comparing the same thing to itself.
its an issue of stability in the hardware versus software in this case and nothing more.sound appreciation is a non quantifiable factor in this,so only opinion where sound is concerned



baa!

Quote:

Minimoog = analog hardware K-Station = software that simulates analog hardware pc running V-Station = software that simulates analog hardware

Right you 'hardware VA synths are exactly the same as vstis' ppl. I'm just here to tell you one simple thing: Hardware synths have more processing power dedicated to them than a vsti does. Vsti programmers have to worry about being CPU friendly, WHEREAS hardware synth programmers DO NOT!

SOOOOOO.. yes they are both software but one is higher quality due to the processing power.

Vsti's have been catching up i admit, but they're still not quite 100% there.

Thats all i have to say!

reflekshun wrote:

Quote: Minimoog = analog hardware K-Station = software that simulates analog hardware pc running V-Station = software that simulates analog hardware Right you 'hardware VA synths are exactly the same as vstis' ppl. I'm just here to tell you one simple thing: Hardware synths have more processing power dedicated to them than a vsti does. Vsti programmers have to worry about being CPU friendly, WHEREAS hardware synth programmers DO NOT! SOOOOOO.. yes they are both software but one is higher quality due to the processing power. Vsti's have been catching up i admit, but they're still not quite 100% there. Thats all i have to say!

A welcome return for one of the old myths.

Anyone fancy a go at the D/A converter fallacy next?

nuffink wrote:

Anyone fancy a go at the D/A converter fallacy next?

Nah, I'd rather take you on with Macs sound better than PCs 'cos their floating point unit is more accurate[1].

[1] I'm sure if I thought about it for long enough I could make a junk-science case for progressive rounding errors causing unmeasurable but highly audible phase shift problems at high frequencies, or something. I'm also sure I'd see the same argument being thrown up in Mac versus PC debates inside of a few months too.

I think it's time to post this link once again

\\no my basis is made through listening to people who i know for a fact have been using both analog and digital synths as well as vsts since before you were born my friend \\


Wow, you must be an expert seeing as you have *never even heard the a-station next to the v-station*.

Amazing! I wish I could always form my conclusions based on heresay, third hand anecdotes and emotion.

hmmm easy to misquote someone,if you had carried on and quoted the rest of my piece i did say and on my own ears.

and where have i stated that i have not heard the two together?the reason i know there is no issue is because i have and i doubt that in a true bling test you or anyone else would hear the difference.

also i didnt claim to be an expert i am merely pointing out that due to your ignorance you cannot tell the difference between fact and opinion.this is the only part i have any real disagreement with.you are entitled to your opinion,and if you choose to be on the side of one sounds better than the other then thats fine with me,but do not try to tell me its fact.

The section at the bottom about comparing analog gear with software emulations is quite interesting, expecially coming from the pros.

http://emusician.com/ar/emusic_mixing_strategies_pros/index.htm

Montana wrote:

Jens and Yurt are relying on reviews from keyboard magazines (with ads in their magazines by synth makers that pay their bills) instead of actually listening to the comparison for themselves.

-both products are sold by the same company

xanda123 wrote:

Another point if the v-station was the same as the k-station no one would buy the k-station and they would stop selling it. because no one in there right mind would pay £400 for something when they can get it for however much the v-station is around hundred pounds I think.

Novation themselves claim that they sound identical -
the magazines who tested them say they sound identical - now if the v-station would in fact sound worse than the k/a-station wouldn't that be disastrous marketing?

Think about your argument:

1.:(fact) Novation claim K-Station and V-Station sound identical

2.:(your speculation) Novation make V-Station's sound
inferior to that of the K-Station for that more people buy the expensive hardware



It would mean that someone who tests the vst
without having heard the hardware would think
that this hardware has the same sound as the
software because Novation (who should know) say so.
Then he maybe wouldn't buy the hardware because he judged its sound quality based on the bad software.

Why should they sell the V-Station at all then?

You know, the V-Station still costs a lot for a vsti
(nearly as much as Tera)so it has to be really really
good to be a competition to those high quality
soft-synths you can buy today - if they would
make it bad on purpose why should they sell it at all?

i pointed this out half a year ago: notice that there still is no mp3 demo of V station on novation site. we have A, K. either novation thinks that there no point in making V stat demo because it's oh, so close to the original (which is not the case with A and K demos with identical sound, dif fx) or the sound is different.

all the 'sound just like original' mag reviews are either a) cases of die hard software devotion b) examples of ineptitude c) novation's marketing at work.

double

IF they sound different why do
Novation then claim that they sound identical?

That would mean they would destroy their own business!

Honestly: (pun intended)I think it is incredibly stupid to think they could be so incredibly stupid!

jens wrote:

IF they sound different why do Novation then claim that they sound identical? That would mean they would destroy their own business! Honestly: (pun intended)I think it is incredibly stupid to think they could be so incredibly stupid!

do they indeed claim that the sound is identical ? V station suppose to be a vsti version of K station. That doesn't mean it's identical (?)

from novation site: The Ultimate K-Station / A-Station Partner
For ultimate flexibility, why not partner a V-Station with one of Novation’s award-winning hardware synths?

that's not stupid. that's making money.

Quote:

Myth: Even though people cannot hear frequencies above 20 KHz., it is important that audio equipment be able to reproduce higher frequencies to maintain clarity.

Have you heard of aliasing myfriend ? Almoust every effect is nonlinear in some way, so your processing bandwidth must be larger than the destination bandwidth. I'm not going to argue with you about this...

Quote:

Myth: Digital audio sounds worse than analog, and the lack of digital's fidelity is revealed as a sterile and harsh sound that lacks warmth, depth, imaging, clarity, and any number of other vague and elusive descriptions.

Try to make a digital saturation effect, than we'll talk about it.
Digital audio @ 44.1 K will NEVER reach the level of analog audio. Designers spend more time to do oversampling, optimize their code [...] than designing the main part of a VST. I can go in deeper explanations if you want to, using "Fact's".

tranceinstitute wrote:

Quote: Myth: Even though people cannot hear frequencies above 20 KHz., it is important that audio equipment be able to reproduce higher frequencies to maintain clarity. Have you heard of aliasing myfriend ? Almoust every effect is nonlinear in some way, so your processing bandwidth must be larger than the destination bandwidth. I'm not going to argue with you about this...

There *IS* nothing to argue because you're twisting it out of context.

Devon

Quote:

There *IS* nothing to argue because you're twisting it out of context. Devon

Ok. Whatever.I don't have the mood to argue anyway

tranceinstitute wrote:

Quote: Myth: Digital audio sounds worse than analog, and the lack of digital's fidelity is revealed as a sterile and harsh sound that lacks warmth, depth, imaging, clarity, and any number of other vague and elusive descriptions. Try to make a digital saturation effect, than we'll talk about it. Digital audio @ 44.1 K will NEVER reach the level of analog audio. Designers spend more time to do oversampling, optimize their code [...] than designing the main part of a VST. I can go in deeper explanations if you want to, using "Fact's".

*sigh*

He is talking about recordings.

Unless you are seriously saying that an analogue recording is more accurate than a digital recording?

Quote:

He is talking about recordings. Unless you are seriously saying that an analogue recording is more accurate than a digital recording?

Maby in Elvis's dreams
Ups! Sorry, not my cup of tea.
I'm out of here.

Tell you what.. you analog purists piss me off. You're like the conservatives of the audio world!

"No fuckin' way! Something new?? NO FUCKING WAY!"

Bah.

@jens
>> again:
>> Minimoog = analog hardware
>> K-Station = software that simulates analog hardware
>> pc running V-Station = software that simulates analog hardware]

Wrong!

Did you ever opened a virtual analogue like e.g. ACCESS VIRUS ?
Do you know why there are so many ACCESS VIRUS Clones ? hahaha

K-Station has specified hardware chips programmed with special software
and circuits assembled especially to realize best sound reproduction.
V-Station is a piece of code running on everyday personal computers
emulating circuit ways A N D the hardware e.g. the DCO's !

And: The Sound depends on the "soundcard" which is already implemented in a hardsynth too.

MiniMoog = Analog Hardware [No Simulation]
K-Station = Digital Hardware + Virtual Software [Analog Simulation]
V-Station = Virtual Software [Digital Simulation + Analog Simulation]



vista

vista wrote:

@jens >> again: >> Minimoog = analog hardware >> K-Station = software that simulates analog hardware >> pc running V-Station = software that simulates analog hardware] Wrong! Did you ever opened a virtual analogue like e.g. ACCESS VIRUS ? Do you know why there are so many ACCESS VIRUS Clones ? hahaha K-Station has specified hardware chips programmed with special software and circuits assembled especially to realize best sound reproduction. V-Station is a piece of code running on everyday personal computers emulating circuit ways A N D the hardware e.g. the DCO's ! And: The Sound depends on the "soundcard" which is already implemented in a hardsynth too. MiniMoog = Analog Hardware [No Simulation] K-Station = Digital Hardware + Virtual Software [Analog Simulation] V-Station = Virtual Software [Digital Simulation + Analog Simulation] vista

yeah, the K-Station uses dedicated hardware like
the 56303

about the soundcard-quality-thing: you're a bit late
in the game, I allready wrote that two or three pages
ago

\\Tell you what.. you analog purists piss me off. You're like the conservatives of the audio world! \\


That's an insult to analog pursits!

I swear folks, I can tell you there is absolutely *no* difference between the rare Syphnigy Sawmp Asian Frog, and the Rasptiany Everglades Cyprus Frog.

Whats that you say? Have I ever seen them side by side? Well....er...um no.

But I can tell you with absolutel certainty (trust me) that there is actually no difference!

as i said earlier i have heard them both side by side
i didt buy either they were both shit

Hi

So the prognosis is that we are arguing over 'A TURD'?

Flipper

I had an astation for a couple of years and liked it a lot. I have vstation now, and find it pretty unstable, so I don't use it much. Vurt is right about the stability issue. Also, I think they sound the same, but that's just my opinion. I sold the astation because I was convinced they sounded the same, upset that the v ended up so unstable on my system. So, in answer to your question, yes I would recommend the astation. In answer to the humurous flamewar that your question sparked - this guy had obviously made up his mind he was going to get an Astation before he posted, he wasn't asking for comparisons of the a and v. I just don't get why everyone cares so much, the money spent goes to the same company... conversely, I'm not quite sure why he posted the question at all, since he had already decided (via his experiments at his friends house) to get the astation anyway.

vista wrote:

Wrong! Did you ever opened a virtual analogue like e.g. ACCESS VIRUS ? Do you know why there are so many ACCESS VIRUS Clones ? hahaha K-Station has specified hardware chips programmed with special software and circuits assembled especially to realize best sound reproduction. V-Station is a piece of code running on everyday personal computers emulating circuit ways A N D the hardware e.g. the DCO's !

Total arse.

I don't care what hardware you are talking about; 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.2, and if it is coming out as something different then the hardware is fucked.

You are basically suggesting that DSP chips do math differently to other chips. This is a truly bizarre claim.

A given algorithm running on two different pieces of hardware/processors will yield exactly the same numeric results.

Hi

I had a Novation Bass station which was a 'TRUE' analogue synth - transistors and all; which electrical impulses travel through (and this is what gives Analogue a subjectively different sound to Modeled vst's which are DSP/CPU generated sound sources) and this is what perhaps gives rise to confusion - the latter Novation synth's use the equivalent of a DSP/CPU generated sound (emulation if you like).

Perhaps where people might find a difference is in the output stages of hardware synths which can give a 'HOT' output (loud) in many cases and perhaps be less inclined to give the type of distortion and clipping that you may get within a computers sound card.

There are ultimately so many variables that it borders on being futile to make comparisons (expecting a winner/loser scenario), other than for the sake of a good discussion topic.

I truly thought my Supernova ( DSP driven emulation / modeled synth) sounded great - very powerful and full bodied, yet at times too clean!

Whereas my Bass station (true analogue ) had wonderful filters that could get some gut wrenching sub bass frequencies squealing.

Flipper.

also at this point i would like to pint out that i never said there was no difference,i merely said it was subjective which was best

"'Hardware sounds warmer' is such a stoopid myth
when you talk about VA-synthesizers, it's a shame
that it's still brought up by some naive folks."

It does seem to make sense, but I sure don't react the same to playing soft synths as I do to playing on whatever synth I happen upon in Sam Ash. I don't own any hardware, but I still believe that the hardware synths I played around on in Sam Ash sound better than any software I've tried. I could be wrong, but without being biased towards hardware, (I've never owned a hardware synth) I can't deny what I'm hearing.

in sam ash,firstly the rooms will be audio treated no doubt?
and secondly what speakers and rig it goes through remember