What do you all think of these two.

I don't have Superior, so I can't really comment.

I do have Drum Kit From Hell and BFD, however.

I think that the sounds alone in BFD is far superior to DFH.

BFD also has built in grooves, which are nice but need to be able to edit more. I understand the BFD next major up-date will include this, in one way or another.

The support for BFD has been fantastic, but some people have had some problems getting it up and running. My is pretty damn solid though.

THe ability to mix the different mics levels and distances makes BFD sound very "real" to me, with out so much effort on my part.

Overall, it is my most used VST!

Just curious if BFD's midi grooves are continuous play aka drum machine or premeasured bars which need to be looped?

The grooves can be looped, or one shot, depends on how you have it set-up.

You can trigger them from a midi control or draw a midi note in your host to trigger at the appropriate time. There are many options with the grooves...

I love BFD. You can use just about anything you program as well on the groves and fills. They can be manually added, also the kit can be played just like a regular drum synth. It works great with the Akai MPD 16, so I'd say any pad type controller would be great.

It would be nice to edit the existing grooves without opening them in your sequencer and having to jump about. But if you want, it can be done, just save it with a unique name. It'll show up on the grooves area in whatever menu (I use 'my grooves', original eh?) and you have your own stuff. But as iDavid mentioned it isn't easy to do from BFD directly. When that gets included in an update BFD will be nearly untouchable. Note - you'll need a DVD player though you can get CDs I believe. Also, it's 9gb of samples.

Hey Bruce,
I use a Akai MPD 16 with BFD. Hav eyou got the slider working for the varying HiHat?

Nine gig of samples where the fuck are we heading.

Nine gig of samples where the fuck are we heading. Sorry about reposting.

Drumkit From Hell Superior is 35GBs in total. Though that does include alternate stick types (mallets, brushes, etc) and a percussion library on top of everything else. I wish we could get some more solid info on how the two stack up against each other as far as the sound department is concerned. I'd like one of the two, but on the features I want alone DFH Superior has a slight edge over BFD as I get the alternate stick types/percussion in with the initial purchase as opposed to BFD which would require purchasing a not so inexpensive add-on pack. But it seems BFD wins on interface/usability (not to mention disk streaming) and has a nice groove library with it. I suppose this is gonna end up being a purchase I end up gambling on, as I don't expect many people round these parts to own both.

BFD is absolutely unbelievable! The original DFH was, em...less than I hope for but I've heard a few good things about the latest editions.

The built in swing manipultaion is great on BFD. Does DFH Sup have anything similar?

For sitting around and jamming, BFD is great. Great sounds (something like 9 mics) and interface.

I heard the original DFH and I too, was not at all impressed. I'm looking for more of an old school classic/indie rock kind of sound (i.e. far less processed sounding than DFH had been). On the other hand the demo MP3s of DFH superior sound damn good to me, same for BFD (DFH Superior may have a slight edge). I just wish I had a whole lot more MP3s of both before purchasing at least. FXpansion and Toontrack need to get on the ball and saturate their websites with MP3s of their sounds since a demo is impracticle.

... or alternatively, instead of relying on MP3 demos you can just get illegal copies.

personally, if i'm going to fork out that much money for something i can't test adequately, rather than bank on other people's forum posts or take a gamble i'll just d/l them.

anyway i don't want to start another debate about piracy- Without piracy ethical software users wouldn't need to fork out so much money to begin with!

Rather than have Toontrack and FXpansion "saturate their websites" i would much prefer it if there were 'entry level' versions of their software, which essentially equate to smaller libraries- with the option of upgrading to the full software at a negligible cost. That way we don't need to resort to theft when making an informed decision on the useability of a peice of software....

just my 2cents. Personally i haven't tried either BFD or DFH.

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... or alternatively, instead of relying on MP3 demos you can just get illegal copies.

Illegal copies of 35 gig plugins...?.....I wanna d/l wherever your d/ling........



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Before the thread gets closed, I haven't used the slider iDavid, so I don't know.

hacking, warez are not appreciated here. I don't need a morality quiz eithere, I don't use them so save it. Don't discuss money, there's not much around in my life.

The people who make this stuff are frequent visitors and it's embarassing to see cheesy excuses to justify being a thief. If I can find a way to investigate, so can you and if you can't then try being creative in your requests. I'm sure there are people here who'd be happy to send you audo CDs, but that wouldn't let you have a great product for free, would it?

It's not the size of the library. One of my favorite synths is the very simple Kawai K1 II. It has a whopping 0.5mb of sample data including the multicycle waveforms and a few attack partials. I think the issue is purely over how one works and not size of library. What extras can be done certainly counts but my time is valuable to me so I want something that has a excellent interface and lets me mike the bass and snare with greater attention than the rest of the kit. B&S are alway the twitchiest sounds to get when you're recording.

That and the multiple positions that can be saved to disk if you need to really tweak beyond the excellent interface of BFD.

That is it's strongest point for me. I work nearly instantly and can come back later to really work on sound. The areas where some randomness can be involved really do make the drumming sound authentic.

I own dfhs and have used bfd.

I would have said initially that the bfd interface had the edge. It is prettier and slicker and has the midi grooves incorporated. It also has disk streaming. However the more I use dfhs the more I like the gui. It is a bit clunkier, but the degree at which you can control aspects of the kit such as mic bleeding is amazing, enabling you to get stunningly natural sounds. There are also some great randomise features which aid getting a really natural performance if you are programming with a keyboard etc. Dfhs also uses polyphonic mute groups (?) for the hihats which give the most natural feeling hihats I have ever experienced. I must admit the support is great and the updates are coming thick and fast.

Dfhs really scores over bfd on kit size as well. Bfd is limited to 5 piece and 3 cymbals. You can get some really enormous kits.

Soundwise I suppose it's down to personal taste. Both bfd and dfhs are recorded without any effects, so you have to learn how to mix a kit - I'm still struggling with this. I think in general dfhs kits sound slightly brighter and have more articulations. Bfd seems to have a bigger ambience and has the option of pzm mics as well. Very realistic results are undoubtedly achievable with both. Personally I prefer dfhs. I'll also add that I really wasn't a fan of the original dfh - too metal for me, dfhs is far more versatile.

I'll be interested to see what fxpansion achieves in way of response to toontrack with their forthcoming add-on pack.

So dfhs for me....here's a very dodgy first recording with dfhs. I've been criticized that the drums don't really integrate at the moment but see what you think.

http://mule.my-bulldog.com/pages/mule_my-bulldog_com/ratrace-03.mp3