Hi.
My name is Paul.
I wrote a software synthesizer for Linux and Windows since March 2002. The synth is a powerfull one, there are 2 synth engines included and it has many effects. It's a poliphonic and multitimbral synth with full microtonal capabilities.
The sofware is free and published with full source code under GNU General Public License v.2.
The list of features (a long list ), audio demos and the sofware itself are located at: http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net

Enjoy.
P.S. The VST suppot is not completely written yet, so for now, is available only stand-alone variant.
Paul

Thanks for posting this. Seems like a huge beast. The only thing is that I don't use standalone versions, so I will patiently wait for the VST

Good to know you are working on it

paulnasca wrote:

Hi. My name is Paul. I wrote a software synthesizer for Linux and Windows since March 2002. The synth is a powerfull one, there are 2 synth engines included and it has many effects. It's a poliphonic and multitimbral synth with full microtonal capabilities. The sofware is free and published with full source code under GNU General Public License v.2. The list of features (a long list ), audio demos and the sofware itself are located at: http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net Enjoy. P.S. The VST suppot is not completely written yet, so for now, is available only stand-alone variant. Paul

This sounds pretty good! Nice work.

Although I missed this:

Your Website wrote:

Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it!

That kinda seals it for my Satanic New Age Heavy Metal band unfortunately.

Nice synth but I think we went through the religious issue before...and it got a bit heated if I remember correctly...

-edited- I am sure some people make new age and believe in Jesus...

Please provide a list of devine music genres

Hell raiser of a synth Thanks

One sure way to advertise something - ban a group of chaps and hot slut chicks from the use of it

Hell raiser of a synth

LMAAO ( Laughing my agnostic ass off )

hmmmm calm down people let people be who people are
if you dont want to use the synth then dont.
i myself do not believe in god,and out of respect will not use the synth or have a go at the guy for his beliefs.cmon people this is how wars start

He's the one who should let people be who they are

Well, Ive no objection to his religious beliefs, vurt, but I do object to his ludicrous and insulting stereotyping of other people and their music

Quote:

Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..)

I should also point out that setting conditions for use like this is probably not legitimate. He is reusing GPL'd libraries, which specifically forbids him from adding additional conditions and clauses to the license of any derived works. As such, the author is currently breaching the GPL.

vurt wrote:

hmmmm calm down people let people be who people are if you dont want to use the synth then dont. i myself do not believe in god,and out of respect will not use the synth or have a go at the guy for his beliefs.cmon people this is how wars start

I think I am calm Vurt

I normally do respect others beliefs until they start preaching them as they then may conflict with my understanding of the universe – I might also consider religion to be a cause of much pain in this world as you correctly pointed out. I just had to write my little bit too

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

As such, the author is currently breaching the GPL.

Jesus wouldn't be happy about that!

Hi

How do we come to terms with anothers lifestyle, belief system or moral code?

I have no answers; but I may - through silence and reflection free myself from making judgement.

The synth looks awesome though - develop this a little more and Native Instruments will buy the licence rights and employ you to boot!

Flipper.

wasnt actually aimed at you yours seemed merely a joke,i can take a joke,it was some of the negative comments,as far as i see it yes i would agree that maybe he shouldnt have such clauses (i dont know anything about gpl WR so im just going on the texts in discussion)he made these stipulations at his own site,not here at kvr-linke mucnchkin said these things get heated here i just dont want that personally,if you get a link and go to someones site and find something you do not agree with perhaps its best mot to bring that argument here,specially under kvrs new rules

IMHO

Two comments here:

1. The Bible says literally zero about style of music. There is no evil music. It is only the lyrics that determine if a song might be Christian or not.

2. Paul's statement unhappily detracts from his generous gift. His synth looks like it took a ton of work and I hope people will accept it in the spirit he's offered it.

Tom

Hi, Paul,
this synth is really awesome !

THANKS!

It takes some time to figure out, how it works, but then......
I especially like the morphing-choir preset.
The possibilities are overwhelming.

Please release as soon as possible the VST-version

Because the latency is much too high, and I can't change it (the instruction in the read-me can't help me).

once you admit to being a cristian, or any other connection with a social conglom, you're open to anythnig you get.

christians tied my dad to a steel frame bed, cut open his gonads and tied lines around them connected to the foot of the bed, so that every second, especially every second he struggled, was agony.

we're not talking christian posse here, we're talking a bunch of old nuns who thought they could cure the 'wild man' outta my pop..

with a legacy like that, anyone who says "i am a christian" should bless their fucking cotton socks that they don't end up fucking dead.

my better half.. in a wheelchair for life.. because of religion.. the entire culture i live in.. full of prejudice and hatred.. you can't even walk naked.. because of religion.. my life.. total hell.. having to live like religious people decided i should. fuck this stupid shit.

now the original poster didn't come in here like that.. his post don't bother me none, but you get up to start defending someone who admits to being 'faithful' (ie. robot) then i tell you, sit back down and let the guy get everything he gets, so that he can understand exactly what it means to call yourself a christian, and why, even tho he didn't say dickie bird himself, he's still indicated as the oppressor. you think this is oppression? you try taking a few seconds on that steel bed buddy.

i say this over and over again.. neither a follower nor a leader be...

If even half of that is true, I'd say your family should been legal action. (I'm being serious here, though I know that sentense might sound condescending--I don't mean it that way).

Tom

I find it amusing that something as inoccuous as New Age gets tarred with the same brush as Heavy Metal
I wonder whether you're allowed to make Stryper covers on it or not. There's a dilemma

I might try this out, as it seems like a biggie

a synth is a tool

Hey paul! Nice Synth! Like the harmonic section alot.
Two suggestions though.............

1). When you're ready to release it, wait and hire a graphix designer....the current gui is ugly as hell.

2). DrOp the religious stuff from the webpage .....makes it look very cultish.....morman almost.

My apologies if you are a Morman Vst devloper...lol, that'd be a good company..."MorMan VST"

Quote:

i say this over and over again.. neither a follower nor a leader be...

Yeah...be a god instead...it's much more fun!

Spe3D wrote:

vurt wrote: hmmmm calm down people let people be who people are if you dont want to use the synth then dont. i myself do not believe in god,and out of respect will not use the synth or have a go at the guy for his beliefs.cmon people this is how wars start I think I am calm Vurt I normally do respect others beliefs until they start preaching them as they then may conflict with my understanding of the universe – I might also consider religion to be a cause of much pain in this world as you correctly pointed out. I just had to write my little bit too Best regards, Spe3d :O)

amen

downloaded...
will check it out soon

This:

"Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it!"

is not a legal stipulation and therefore not violating the GPL. It is merely a request.

I don't see what the big fuss is. Everyone is allowed to believe whatever they want unless what they believe is that they're right and everyone else is wrong? Sounds kinda silly to me.

But wasn't this proven to be a joke? Or maybe I'm thinking of something else...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGH !!!!!

Is there anyone here, who tried this synth

I thought this forum is about INSTRUMENTS....

This is one hell of a synth,

I think the guy has the right to ask that his work not be used in producing music which stands against a cause he believes in. As for mentioning heavy metal and new age specifically, I'm not sure he mentioned them because he thinks the styles are intrinsically evil, or rather because they are so often associated with non-Christian themes. I don't think he would feel any better about them being used for blasphemous zydeco, Dixieland, fado, rococo, salsa or plain chant, but these styles and many others don't traditionally tend to be associated with non-Christian themes.

I am a Christian as well, but I think that is immaterial. I would have no problem with a communist creating a VST plug and asking that it not be used to promote capitalism... Any author should have the right to see his work used as he sees fit.

I have had a play on it and it is a really solid synth. There are some lovely sounds and you can't go wrong for free.
Sounds harsh and digital to me, but that can be just as good as soft and warm.
Nice work and def. worth the d/l if you don't have any additive synths
Ian

sounds bloody great !!!

just one question (I could probably figure it out myself if I read the docs but anyway ).. how do I get rid of the high latency?

even at low biuffer size there's a bloody high latency

some of you guys really know how to welcome someone..

uhmm hi paul

as wannabe said.. this synth is awesome.

By far one of the better sounding ones I've ever played. Extremely rich tone.. I absolutely love it.

spaceman wrote:

sounds bloody great !!! just one question (I could probably figure it out myself if I read the docs but anyway ).. how do I get rid of the high latency? even at low biuffer size there's a bloody high latency

yeah.. let me rephrase that..

THIS SYNTH IS BLOODY AWESOME!!!!!

great work Paul, very very nice

kuniklo wrote:

Although I missed this: Your Website wrote: Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it! That kinda seals it for my Satanic New Age Heavy Metal band unfortunately.

I was planning on using it next full moon when my buddy Ozzy and I do the monthly virgin sacrifice bit!

spaceman wrote:

just one question (I could probably figure it out myself if I read the docs but anyway ).. how do I get rid of the high latency?

did you make sure to close the program and open it back up after changing the settings?

spaceman wrote:

spaceman wrote: sounds bloody great !!! just one question (I could probably figure it out myself if I read the docs but anyway ).. how do I get rid of the high latency? even at low biuffer size there's a bloody high latency yeah.. let me rephrase that.. THIS SYNTH IS BLOODY AWESOME!!!!! great work Paul, very very nice

let me rephrase that a little bit more

THIS SYNTH ABSOLUTELY KICKS ASS !!!!

spaceman wrote:

spaceman wrote: spaceman wrote: sounds bloody great !!! just one question (I could probably figure it out myself if I read the docs but anyway ).. how do I get rid of the high latency? even at low biuffer size there's a bloody high latency yeah.. let me rephrase that.. THIS SYNTH IS BLOODY AWESOME!!!!! great work Paul, very very nice let me rephrase that a little bit more THIS SYNTH ABSOLUTELY KICKS ASS !!!!

I think I need to extend that a little

THIS SYNTH IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!! AND I LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT !!!!

VitaminD wrote:

spaceman wrote: just one question (I could probably figure it out myself if I read the docs but anyway ).. how do I get rid of the high latency? did you make sure to close the program and open it back up after changing the settings?

I did yes

pheeleep wrote:

As such, the author is currently breaching the GPL. Jesus wouldn't be happy about that!

Not to mention Richard Stallman!

db wrote:

kuniklo wrote: Although I missed this: Your Website wrote: Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it! That kinda seals it for my Satanic New Age Heavy Metal band unfortunately. I was planning on using it next full moon when my buddy Ozzy and I do the virgin sacrifice bit!

I send the lam back to the butchers

saviourneeded - as for my father, we're talking 1940's utah - you're not going to sue the nuns.. especially if you've got some ute blood in you. the sheriff will strap you back down, won't he..

as for my 'eric the half a bee' let's say, you don't sue your family (the root being that the family knew i was not religious and therefore a relationship with me was forbidden, resulting in a double life, stress, and utimately a wreck.) hell, it's not like i can afford to care for someone in a wheelchair.. this is a christian-founded society! who is going to pay me the big bucks to emphatically disagree with their policies on everythnig???

not sure how to take your statement due to the various interpretations of xianity (either being god is unforgivable arrogance, or the natural state, like ussen to the apache..) i've met several individuals throughout my life who have been raised xian, usually in isolation, to an admirable degree of personal refinement.. add in the more 'ussenlike' interpretations and generally you've got something that isn't too far off from my own tenets.. but a demographic anaysis describes the benefit of refinement as not being sovereign to the format, at least not to the degree that trouble is :p

same old story.. nil to be gained by worrying it, or each other, here. i'm hoping to illustrate that there are concrete reasons for balking the faithful, i didn't just read that religion is bad on a 'slipknot' shirt or wherever

some people might not think these are reasons enough to oppose religion.. i do, no discussion :p

just try and have a nice time without stomping on kitty heads you know.

how low can I go with the buffer size?
Or should I just find out myself?

This synth is totally awseome!!!!
That flanged guitar presets is
Full sound...reminds me of Cube but with better FX


I will prolly use it for my progressive house\breaks...can´t possibly see how it would offend Jesus...after all, God is a DJ.

xoxos wrote:

saviourneeded - as for my father, we're talking 1940's utah - you're not going to sue the nuns.. especially if you've got some ute blood in you. the sheriff will strap you back down, won't he.. as for my 'eric the half a bee' let's say, you don't sue your family (the root being that the family knew i was not religious and therefore a relationship with me was forbidden, resulting in a double life, stress, and utimately a wreck.) hell, it's not like i can afford to care for someone in a wheelchair.. this is a christian-founded society! who is going to pay me the big bucks to emphatically disagree with their policies on everythnig??? not sure how to take your statement due to the various interpretations of xianity (either being god is unforgivable arrogance, or the natural state, like ussen to the apache..) i've met several individuals throughout my life who have been raised xian, usually in isolation, to an admirable degree of personal refinement.. add in the more 'ussenlike' interpretations and generally you've got something that isn't too far off from my own tenets.. but a demographic anaysis describes the benefit of refinement as not being sovereign to the format, at least not to the degree that trouble is :p same old story.. nil to be gained by worrying it, or each other, here. i'm hoping to illustrate that there are concrete reasons for balking the faithful, i didn't just read that religion is bad on a 'slipknot' shirt or wherever some people might not think these are reasons enough to oppose religion.. i do, no discussion :p just try and have a nice time without stomping on kitty heads you know.

maybe we should leave this religous bashin/whatever for an other forum and lets keep the conversation limited to the synth instead

it's a fucking brilliant synth and all you guys can talk about is religion for fuck's sake

Mindless wrote:

This synth is totally awseome!!!! That flanged guitar presets is Full sound...reminds me of Cube but with better FX I will prolly use it for my progressive house\breaks...can´t possibly see how it would offend Jesus...after all, God is a DJ.

Agree with spaceman...read my quote

Edit: about the gui...wasn´t there a designer here somwhere who offerd to make gui:s for free just to get some experience...quite good too his art was...maybe get these two guys together.

I used this synth last night on my laptop as I performed with my homosexual noisecore band. We're called "The Jesus Humpers."

Everyone there thought the synth sounded fantastic, then they all proceeded to have gaybuttsex.

Mindless wrote:

Mindless wrote: This synth is totally awseome!!!! That flanged guitar presets is Full sound...reminds me of Cube but with better FX I will prolly use it for my progressive house\breaks...can´t possibly see how it would offend Jesus...after all, God is a DJ. Agree woth spaceman...read my quote

this is probably one of the best sounding synths I've ever played and all they talk about is religion

talk about missing the obvious

Damn mighty fine synth..I just used it in a blood-sex ritual. The Whores of Satan thank you for the extra hard work you put into it, seeing all that tempting flesh writhing in ectasy to your synth brought tears of joy to my eyes.

Oh, & don't bother posting a free synth anywhere on the web & expect to make moral demands on the user base you open yoursef up too.

Even if it was free, are you gonna screen your clients to root out all paganists? That was a wretchedly ignorant request you made. Besides, if christianity had not invented the devil to bludgeon it's captive audience into submission, there would not be any 'Satanic' music, whatever the fuck THAT is anyways...

I mourne the Widow, & despise the collective ignorance of christian slaves like yourself, but...

it IS a nice synth, so hats off, creep.

Mindless wrote:

This synth is totally awseome!!!! That flanged guitar presets is Full sound...reminds me of Cube but with better FX

yeah.. it doesnt get farty at low octaves like most synths does.. it just warbles down slower..

bucket wrote:

I used this synth last night on my laptop as I performed with my homosexual noisecore band. We're called "The Jesus Humpers." Everyone there thought the synth sounded fantastic, then they all proceeded to have gaybuttsex.

spaceman wrote:

db wrote: kuniklo wrote: Although I missed this: Your Website wrote: Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it! That kinda seals it for my Satanic New Age Heavy Metal band unfortunately. I was planning on using it next full moon when my buddy Ozzy and I do the virgin sacrifice bit! I send the lam back to the butchers

<Sigh!> Go ahead, can't find any real virgins this month anyway!

sickle666 wrote:

Oh, & don't bother posting a free synth anywhere on the web & expect to make moral demands on the user base you open yoursef up too.

I forgot the word "please" indicated a demand.. get over yourself.

spaceman wrote:

Mindless wrote: Mindless wrote: This synth is totally awseome!!!! That flanged guitar presets is Full sound...reminds me of Cube but with better FX I will prolly use it for my progressive house\breaks...can´t possibly see how it would offend Jesus...after all, God is a DJ. Agree woth spaceman...read my quote this is probably one of the best sounding synths I've ever played and all they talk about is religion talk about missing the obvious

kinda what i said on page one,but as usual more concise why do i prattle on so much,anyway good to see were finally on to its musical merit

even if he asked me to wear a pink hat and a miniskirt while playing it .. what the fuck do I care

you don't have to listen to it you know.. get a fucking life you idiots

I know it's not made with synthedit and it doesn't sound shit and it doesn't make unusable fucking beep beep kreepkreep poing swoing noises but please.. don't let that stop you using it

btw spaceman lamb has a B at the end

victory is mine

vurt wrote:

btw spaceman lamb has a B at the end victory is mine

damn damn damn !!!!
maybe I can find some old medieval english spelling somewhere that's more favourable to me

the oops preset doesn´t sound very religous to me

spaceman wrote:

vurt wrote: btw spaceman lamb has a B at the end victory is mine damn damn damn !!!! maybe I can find some old medieval english spelling somewhere that's more favourable to me

how about 'sheep' or 'sheeb'

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

Mindless wrote:

the oops preset doesn´t sound very religous to me

I have to admit

spaceman wrote:

maybe we should leave this religous bashin/whatever for an other forum and lets keep the conversation limited to the synth instead it's a fucking brilliant synth and all you guys can talk about is religion for fuck's sake

Ok, so it's fine for him to walk in here & spout this totaly offensive christian bullshit, but when we react, it's out of line?

Sounds like 'turn the other cheeck' crap to me; another christian control mechanism right up there next to tithe collecting. I don't turn away from an insult. Especially from a guest in the house with no respect to other peoples' beliefs & what the fuck does any of that have to do with making music???

Talk about completely ruining the experience...

Spe3D wrote:

spaceman wrote: vurt wrote: btw spaceman lamb has a B at the end victory is mine damn damn damn !!!! maybe I can find some old medieval english spelling somewhere that's more favourable to me how about 'sheep' or 'sheeb' Best regards, Spe3d :O)

the er.. what.. er.. my ... you know my.. what it was is.. I wanted to.. see, it's my keyoard is roken and I can't loody type any '' anymore

loody annoying

I really don´t think he cares what WE do with it, HE just don´t want to feel guilty for puttin a tool in the hands of sinners.

Ye! I get th t ll the time s aceman

Best regards,

S e3d

sickle666 wrote:

spaceman wrote: maybe we should leave this religous bashin/whatever for an other forum and lets keep the conversation limited to the synth instead it's a fucking brilliant synth and all you guys can talk about is religion for fuck's sake Ok, so it's fine for him to walk in here & spout this totaly offensive christian bullshit, but when we react, it's out of line? Sounds like 'turn the other cheeck' crap to me; another christian control mechanism right up there next to tithe collecting. I don't turn away from an insult. Especially from a guest in the house with no respect to other peoples' beliefs & what the fuck does any of that have to do with making music??? Talk about completely ruining the experience...

is the 666 in your name a satanic reference? because if it is, that's religious crap as well you know.. there wouldn't be a devil without a god

and the point I was making is this.. I think it's religious bullshit as well but WHAT THE FUCK DO I CARE!! I don't have to marry the guy and he's not forcing me to go to church so if you want to react to it start a new thread in the off topic forum

Back on topic...what about the GUI for the VST version...a while ago, there was some dude here who wanted to skin synths for free just so he could get some experience.
His stuff was rather good too...what about gettin´ him together with the dev.

Mindless wrote:

Back on topic...what about the GUI for the VST version...a while ago, there was some dude here who wanted to skin synths for free just so he could get some experience. His stuff was rather good too...what about gettin´ him together with the dev.

I can do skinning as well.. I wouldn't mind helping either

Hi

MAN THIS IS GETTING FUNNY!

Screw candid camera - its lucky ya'all are not on webcams-now that would be funny!!!


Flipper.

I stand corrected.

It is true that the developper doesn't say "please don't use the synth if you are an Atheist, Agnostic, Muslim etc.."

He says "Please don't use it to diss Jesus".

As I do not praise or condemn religion, and am "neutral", this reflects in my music, so I wouldn't diss Jesus in a song anyway.

Now, how do you guys use standalone synths, such as this one? You export as wavs and then import into your host? Is that the only thing you can do? Or do you make an entire song using the standalone synth? I have never used standalone synths because I am just too comfortable in my cozy FL Studio environment. I'll give the synth a try, as a VST version is in the works....

spaceman wrote:

Mindless wrote: Back on topic...what about the GUI for the VST version...a while ago, there was some dude here who wanted to skin synths for free just so he could get some experience. His stuff was rather good too...what about gettin´ him together with the dev. I can do skinning as well.. I wouldn't mind helping either

awesome...if your not a sinner, then by all means ask for permission to skin the synth for him.

This synth sounds very nice. This would be nice as a vsti.

Thanks for sharing this with us

Mush

bucket wrote:

I used this synth last night on my laptop as I performed with my homosexual noisecore band. We're called "The Jesus Humpers." Everyone there thought the synth sounded fantastic, then they all proceeded to have gaybuttsex.

I don't even know what to say to that one.

sickle666 wrote:

Ok, so it's fine for him to walk in here & spout this totaly offensive christian bullshit, but when we react, it's out of line?

Hey kids! It's time to play the "spot the totaly (sic) offensive christian bullshit" game! Let's start with

Quote:

Hi. My name is Paul. I wrote a software synthesizer for Linux and Windows since March 2002. The synth is a powerfull one, there are 2 synth engines included and it has many effects. It's a poliphonic and multitimbral synth with full microtonal capabilities. The sofware is free and published with full source code under GNU General Public License v.2. The list of features (a long list ), audio demos and the sofware itself are located at: http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net Enjoy. P.S. The VST suppot is not completely written yet, so for now, is available only stand-alone variant. Paul

Can you spot the totaly (sic) offensive christian bullshit? No? Hmm... Isn't Linux a religion of some sort?

pheeleep wrote:

I stand corrected. It is true that the developper doesn't say "please don't use the synth if you are an Atheist, Agnostic, Muslim etc.." He says "Please don't use it to diss Jesus". As I do not praise or condemn religion, and am "neutral", this reflects in my music, so I wouldn't diss Jesus in a song anyway. Now, how do you guys use standalone synths, such as this one? You export as wavs and then import into your host? Is that the only thing you can do? Or do you make an entire song using the standalone synth? I have never used standalone synths because I am just too comfortable in my cozy FL Studio environment. I'll give the synth a try, as a VST version is in the works....

not a big user of standalones myself,but what iwould do is as you say export wavs to my host

pough wrote:

sickle666 wrote: Ok, so it's fine for him to walk in here & spout this totaly offensive christian bullshit, but when we react, it's out of line? Hey kids! It's time to play the "spot the totaly (sic) offensive christian bullshit" game! Let's start with Quote: Hi. My name is Paul. I wrote a software synthesizer for Linux and Windows since March 2002. The synth is a powerfull one, there are 2 synth engines included and it has many effects. It's a poliphonic and multitimbral synth with full microtonal capabilities. The sofware is free and published with full source code under GNU General Public License v.2. The list of features (a long list ), audio demos and the sofware itself are located at: http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net Enjoy. P.S. The VST suppot is not completely written yet, so for now, is available only stand-alone variant. Paul Can you spot the totaly (sic) offensive christian bullshit? No? Hmm... Isn't Linux a religion of some sort?

true...just enjoy his gift...hopefully the vst is out soon with a skin from spaceman

Aside from all the god guff, and all this stuff about it being a great synth.....what I don't understand is.....what's the point in a standalone, and how on earth do you use it if you can't open it up within a host app?
And I'm being serious here - I would like a nice new free synth. But if it's standalone, then do I have to play it out through my souncard outs, into something like my DAT recorder, and hope to (better not mention him/her/it though) that I played in time to my sequencer and in the right key, and then play it back from the DAT to record into my host? Not very likely with my playing

Quote from link at site 'Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)' end quote from the link to the site

You could play it live... if you play live...

isn´t there a record button somewhere

sickle666 wrote:

spaceman wrote: maybe we should leave this religous bashin/whatever for an other forum and lets keep the conversation limited to the synth instead it's a fucking brilliant synth and all you guys can talk about is religion for fuck's sake Ok, so it's fine for him to walk in here & spout this totaly offensive christian bullshit, but when we react, it's out of line? Sounds like 'turn the other cheeck' crap to me; another christian control mechanism right up there next to tithe collecting. I don't turn away from an insult. Especially from a guest in the house with no respect to other peoples' beliefs & what the fuck does any of that have to do with making music??? Talk about completely ruining the experience...

Wait, I want you to tell me where this happened? When did HE ever come in here and "walk in here & spout this totaly offensive christian bullshit"? Oh, wait, he DIDN'T. It was YOU and others who brought religion into this.

1. He posted a simple REQUEST, saying PLEASE, all on HIS website, not here. HE didn't involve religion on this site at all.

2. He didn't come in here and say ANYTHING about your beliefs or way of life. What gives you the right to say something about his?

3. HE put the work into this synth for years. So he can make whatever request he desires, whether you like it or not.

4. If you don't like his request, then either ignore it and do as you please with it, or don't use it. Simple. It doesn't take much to understand this.

Some people really need to get a life and stop the stupidity. It's plain and simple. If you like the synth, use it. If not, then keep your mouth shut on this forum about his religious preferences.

I'm a Christian. I play the piano for my church every week. And alot of the music I write is Christian. My choice, get over it. I won't impose it on you here. I have strong beliefs. I won't ask that you agree with me. And I may not agree with you. It doesn't matter. We're on a MUSIC site. NOT a religious site. Note that he kept the religion off this site. Then some idiotic responses were made that totally threw this thread off. And yes, I'm contributing. I haven't said anything offensive to you, so please don't try and put me down. You won't hurt or offend me. And just as I have no right to say you are right, wrong, stupid, ignorant, etc., you have no right to do it to me either, or him.

I plan on downloading the synth tonight. I look forward to it as many here seem to like it. Thank you for giving this to us. And I'm sorry this thread had to go this way. Cheers!

Koolkeys

Spe3D wrote:

Quote from link at site 'Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it! For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)' end quote from the link to the site

sickle666 wrote:

Ok, so it's fine for him to walk in here & spout this totaly offensive christian bullshit, but when we react, it's out of line?

I don't mind disagreeing with what someone has done, but at least get your facts straight so that you're actually disagreeing with what they have done.

It was the link here to the site there KoolKeys

xoxos wrote:

once you admit to being a cristian, or any other connection with a social conglom, you're open to anythnig you get. christians tied my dad to a steel frame bed, cut open his gonads and tied lines around them connected to the foot of the bed, so that every second, especially every second he struggled, was agony. we're not talking christian posse here, we're talking a bunch of old nuns who thought they could cure the 'wild man' outta my pop.. with a legacy like that, anyone who says "i am a christian" should bless their fucking cotton socks that they don't end up fucking dead. my better half.. in a wheelchair for life.. because of religion.. the entire culture i live in.. full of prejudice and hatred.. you can't even walk naked.. because of religion.. my life.. total hell.. having to live like religious people decided i should. fuck this stupid shit. now the original poster didn't come in here like that.. his post don't bother me none, but you get up to start defending someone who admits to being 'faithful' (ie. robot) then i tell you, sit back down and let the guy get everything he gets, so that he can understand exactly what it means to call yourself a christian, and why, even tho he didn't say dickie bird himself, he's still indicated as the oppressor. you think this is oppression? you try taking a few seconds on that steel bed buddy. i say this over and over again.. neither a follower nor a leader be...

The bastards that did this to your Pop were NOT, I repeat NOT Christians! Ye shall know them by their fruits!

koolkeys wrote:

Some people really need to get a life and stop the stupidity. ... I haven't said anything offensive to you... I have no right to say you are right, wrong, stupid, ignorant, etc.

It doesn't matter if the link was from here to there. If you go by that, then there are alot more links on KVR that go to places with offensive material. But the point is that people are trying to make accusations that he came here and said something about religion. He DIDN'T!!! The only religious wording was on HIS OWN SITE. It's his right! If you want to put him down, then start a post on your own site, and link to it from here!

Still, people, get over it. He believes in God, you don't. Nuff said! Period. This is a music site, remember? He just posted to you here something for FREE that he worked a long time on. He never asked for your conversion or money. Good grief........

Koolkeys

this really is a pissing contest...we should all be talking about the synth no?

On secon thought:
I DEMAND THAT YOU ALL STOP THIS BULL OR I WILL CLOSE DOWN KVR, THE INTERNET AND THE UNIVERSE

:edit:



please, guys

lol pough. Dead on. lol

koolkeys wrote:

Good grief........ Koolkeys

Ah! you be needing this link then, or not
http://www.churchofchristatgoldhillroad.org/study/slng.htm

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

koolkeys wrote:

I'm a Christian. I play the piano for my church every week. And alot of the music I write is Christian. My choice, get over it. I won't impose it on you here. I have strong beliefs. I won't ask that you agree with me. And I may not agree with you. It doesn't matter.

Thanks for the synth.

This is Random House Webster's College Dictionary's two definitions of new age:

New Age:

1. of or pertaining to a movement espousing a broad range of philosophies and practices traditionary viewed as occult, metaphysical, or paranormal.

2. of or pertaining to an unintrusive style of music, using both acoustic and electronic instruments and drawing on classical music, jazz, and rock.

What does #1 have to do with #2? Maybe I am wrong, but I have never considered new age music as having anything to do with religion whatsoever.

Again, thanks for the synth. I really appreciate it, and I am looking forward to the plug-in version.

Larry

linking to the site in his post is the same thing as posting it's opinions here. The difference is a single click. If he was intrested in making available his work & NOT inserting his beliefs where they have no business, like debuting a synth , why not just make a download link & avoid all this bullshit here? Becuase he just HAD to make sure everyone knew where he stood. Every christian is a closet-martyr...

Flame on, I don't give a damn what anyone says about it. This issue is one of my rawest nerves, if not THE rawest, & I KNOW I am not the only one it's offended.

spaceman wrote:

spaceman wrote: spaceman wrote: spaceman wrote: sounds bloody great !!! just one question (I could probably figure it out myself if I read the docs but anyway ).. how do I get rid of the high latency? even at low biuffer size there's a bloody high latency yeah.. let me rephrase that.. THIS SYNTH IS BLOODY AWESOME!!!!! great work Paul, very very nice let me rephrase that a little bit more THIS SYNTH ABSOLUTELY KICKS ASS !!!! I think I need to extend that a little THIS SYNTH IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!! AND I LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT !!!!

Sure?

Barbed Wire Kiss wrote:

spaceman wrote: spaceman wrote: spaceman wrote: spaceman wrote: sounds bloody great !!! just one question (I could probably figure it out myself if I read the docs but anyway ).. how do I get rid of the high latency? even at low biuffer size there's a bloody high latency yeah.. let me rephrase that.. THIS SYNTH IS BLOODY AWESOME!!!!! great work Paul, very very nice let me rephrase that a little bit more THIS SYNTH ABSOLUTELY KICKS ASS !!!! I think I need to extend that a little THIS SYNTH IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!! AND I LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT !!!! Sure?

makes me wish i was into standalones
let me know when the plugin hits our shores

sickle666 wrote:

linking to the site in his post is the same thing as posting it's opinions here.

no its not.

sickle666 wrote:

The difference is a single click.

well there is difference #1 right there..

sickle666 wrote:

If he was intrested in making available his work & NOT inserting his beliefs where they have no business, like debuting a synth , why not just make a download link & avoid all this bullshit here?

thats in your opinion.. the way he states it.. they do have business there.. he didnt introduce the synth with any religious statements here.

sickle666 wrote:

Becuase he just HAD to make sure everyone knew where he stood. Every christian is a closet-martyr... Flame on, I don't give a damn what anyone says about it. This issue is one of my rawest nerves, if not THE rawest, & I KNOW I am not the only one it's offended.

he didnt make anyone here know where he stood.. external links are not part of kvr.. if you happened to leave kvr, then thats your own problem..

im horribly offended you have '666' in your name.. yet I have never brought it up before..

you just need to learn how to deal with stuff you have no control over..

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pough wrote:

Hey kids! It's time to play the "spot the totaly (sic) offensive christian bullshit" game! Let's start with Quote: Hi. My name is Paul. I wrote a software synthesizer for Linux and Windows since March 2002. The synth is a powerfull one, there are 2 synth engines included and it has many effects. It's a poliphonic and multitimbral synth with full microtonal capabilities. The sofware is free and published with full source code under GNU General Public License v.2. The list of features (a long list ), audio demos and the sofware itself are located at: http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net Enjoy. P.S. The VST suppot is not completely written yet, so for now, is available only stand-alone variant. Paul Can you spot the totaly (sic) offensive christian bullshit? No? Hmm... Isn't Linux a religion of some sort?

Maybe he was just being sarcastic when he wrote that crazy stuff about not making heavy metal with his synth...Yeah i think he was.

I think the guy has a right to make this kind of request. Also, I don't think that anyone has any real moral obligation to comply with the request.

The synth is pretty cool; VERY confusing, though. Makes a lot of very high quality sounds, but I have no idea how to work it =P. Still, lots of features and all...

kritikon wrote:

Aside from all the god guff, and all this stuff about it being a great synth.....what I don't understand is.....what's the point in a standalone, and how on earth do you use it if you can't open it up within a host app? And I'm being serious here - I would like a nice new free synth. But if it's standalone, then do I have to play it out through my souncard outs, into something like my DAT recorder, and hope to (better not mention him/her/it though) that I played in time to my sequencer and in the right key, and then play it back from the DAT to record into my host? Not very likely with my playing

you sound like someone who would get lost and die from hunger because he lost his mobile phone

how did people use a synth in the old days you think? without midi, without vst

I had loads of crappy religious discussions in my life and had enough. Finish. Fini. Finito. Ende. Terminado.

Hope to have the chance to grab a VST version soon. Considering the looks, it must be a heck of a beast.

Haha... I'm totaly enjoying this thread, I really do.

Too bad whiterabbyt hasn't joined in, or has he?

This desperately is in need of some good quoths.

Best,
Stefan

Barbed Wire Kiss wrote:

spaceman wrote: spaceman wrote: spaceman wrote: spaceman wrote: sounds bloody great !!! just one question (I could probably figure it out myself if I read the docs but anyway ).. how do I get rid of the high latency? even at low biuffer size there's a bloody high latency yeah.. let me rephrase that.. THIS SYNTH IS BLOODY AWESOME!!!!! great work Paul, very very nice let me rephrase that a little bit more THIS SYNTH ABSOLUTELY KICKS ASS !!!! I think I need to extend that a little THIS SYNTH IS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!! AND I LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT !!!! Sure?

at least my comments were to the point and not about religious bullshit

asshole jumping on the guy because he made that remark.. who are the wankers here, he for making that request or the idiots for taking it way way way too serious and banging on about it and on and on and on and on and on and on and on

looked like idiots in a pub looking for a fight

shit, I'm doing the same now..

that wasn't to the point either

end of thread for me

I'm going to have some fun.. with a free synth

...

stefankuhn wrote:

Haha... I'm totaly enjoying this thread, I really do. Too bad whiterabbyt hasn't joined in, or has he? This desperately is in need of some good quoths.

Page one (link) - but he uses the BBCode quote instead of quoth!

spaceman wrote:

looked like idiots in a pub looking for a fight

You almost had it.

It's Idiots in a forum looking for a fight.

Btw. I too think this synth looks awesome.
Gonna check it out. Anyone that has some brains left, will do so, too.

Best,
Stefan

hello Paul, i've been using your synth from time to time for some time now, thanks to Loomchild who pointed me to it.
the soudn is as good as it can be, the versality is as high as needed.
i hope that the vst version will be ready soon, and that the mailing list will be more active

Hehe, what a thread! Marvellous!

Anyway, from psalm 150;

"Psalm 150:

Praise the Lord! Praise God in his sanctuary! Praise him in the sky, which testifies to his strength! Praise him for his mighty acts! Praise him for his surpassing greatness! Praise him with the blast of the horn! Praise him with the lyre and the harp! Praise him with the tambourine and with dancing! Praise him with stringed instruments and the flute! Praise him with loud cymbals! Praise him with clanging cymbals! Let everything that has breath praise the Lord! Praise the Lord!"


Says nowt about synthesizers there! Perhaps they are ungodly?

Perhaps, I´m not the only one, but maybe a restructuring of the user interface is a good thing?
It´s a bit messy and unclear...but not that hard to program...

Really, it takes me back to the days of orangator...where you would drag an envelope or move a slider and you had absolutely no idea what it did...just that it sounded cool.

I wonder, would such a flame-feast start if smb posted a link to a free synth with a "please do not make any Christian music with it". Or (even better) "coded especially for the purposes of satan worshipping musos"
I spotted this synth some time last year. It was rather raw but interesting then (I think I even posted a link somewhere over here), guess I should d/l and try a newer version--even if I'm not using that much standalone gear. And me too was a bit puzzled by the disclaimer--and yes, I am a Christian, though I don't thing heavy metal or new age is satanism or whatever. People worship devil (if they do) in a much different way than shouting foolish blasphemies over distorted guitar chords or wailing nonsense over shitty synthpads. No, they do it in a different way--and sometimes they call themselves Christians, like those who tortured Xoxos's dad. So...let's face it--theis guy is a 22-yrold guys, who firmly believes in God, which is fine by me. He just asks (and asking is not prohibiting, BTW) not to use his labor of love (erm... maybe I shouldnt've used this expression? Whatever...) for behaviour he finds not suitable. If you do want to make heavy metal with it--legally (as far as I get it) you are free to do so. Just don't flame--I would rather thank someone who gives you fruit of his long work for free.

I have a "breathy angels" patch on one of my VSTi, does that mean I'm going to heaven?

Of course, I also have a "Hells Bells" patch I made for Rhino, so maybe it's the other direction for me!

As if I believed in either, of course.

If ya don't like it, don't use it.

Why is it so hard to stay on topic??
talk about the friggin´ synth!

anyone even read my latest post? (about the gui, and orangator)

At least this thread is giving the new rules a good testing?

Jazz Franco wrote:

I wonder, would such a flame-feast start if smb posted a link to a free synth with a "please do not make any Christian music with it". Or (even better) "coded especially for the purposes of satan worshipping musos" I spotted this synth some time last year. It was rather raw but interesting then (I think I even posted a link somewhere over here), guess I should d/l and try a newer version--even if I'm not using that much standalone gear. And me too was a bit puzzled by the disclaimer--and yes, I am a Christian, though I don't thing heavy metal or new age is satanism or whatever. People worship devil (if they do) in a much different way than shouting foolish blasphemies over distorted guitar chords or wailing nonsense over shitty synthpads. No, they do it in a different way--and sometimes they call themselves Christians, like those who tortured Xoxos's dad. So...let's face it--theis guy is a 22-yrold guys, who firmly believes in God, which is fine by me. He just asks (and asking is not prohibiting, BTW) not to use his labor of love (erm... maybe I shouldnt've used this expression? Whatever...) for behaviour he finds not suitable. If you do want to make heavy metal with it--legally (as far as I get it) you are free to do so. Just don't flame--I would rather thank someone who gives you fruit of his long work for free.

congrats for making the first post in this thread to make any sense. I'll respond to courtesy with courtesy any day. It's obvious I have issues with christians, or the ones you mentioned more to the point. I respect the work he has done, & DO think it sounds great & WOULD like to see more development. but @$&%@&$^(!&$!()#&(@



time to take a walk outside..

Now thats what I call a great sounding synth.

sickle666 wrote:

Jazz Franco wrote: I wonder, would such a flame-feast start if smb posted a link to a free synth with a "please do not make any Christian music with it". Or (even better) "coded especially for the purposes of satan worshipping musos" I spotted this synth some time last year. It was rather raw but interesting then (I think I even posted a link somewhere over here), guess I should d/l and try a newer version--even if I'm not using that much standalone gear. And me too was a bit puzzled by the disclaimer--and yes, I am a Christian, though I don't thing heavy metal or new age is satanism or whatever. People worship devil (if they do) in a much different way than shouting foolish blasphemies over distorted guitar chords or wailing nonsense over shitty synthpads. No, they do it in a different way--and sometimes they call themselves Christians, like those who tortured Xoxos's dad. So...let's face it--theis guy is a 22-yrold guys, who firmly believes in God, which is fine by me. He just asks (and asking is not prohibiting, BTW) not to use his labor of love (erm... maybe I shouldnt've used this expression? Whatever...) for behaviour he finds not suitable. If you do want to make heavy metal with it--legally (as far as I get it) you are free to do so. Just don't flame--I would rather thank someone who gives you fruit of his long work for free. congrats for making the first post in this thread to make any sense. I'll respond to courtesy with courtesy any day. It's obvious I have issues with christians, or the ones you mentioned more to the point. I respect the work he has done, & DO think it sounds great & WOULD like to see more development. but @$&%@&$^(!&$!()#&(@ time to take a walk outside..

I thought my post was the first one to make sense...

The interface has got much worse when compared to pauls sound designer.

so what does that look like then?

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I thought my post was the first one to make sense...

I thought Paul's original post made pretty good sense.

Tom

Ok, playing some more with this AMAZING CREATION.

It´s an ingenious concept...A Subtractive VA and an Additive synth all in one
For example...load up the first pad preset...hit the edit SUB button and add some harmonic sines to the sound...edit the VA part and you find that there are 6 osc, all with waveshaping possibilites.
NI and absynth EAT YOUR HEART OUT!
There are formant filter all with editing pages...and the analouge filter is cool...I had something like 8 pages on the screen and that´s without the envelope windows...MASSIVE synth!

It all starts out so innocent and when you hit those edit buttons, a world of options is revealed to you...it´s actually pretty easy to program too...if you put some effort into it.

There is so much to discover, and I havent even mentioned the effects and the edit windows...
Jeezars Freeverb is in there along with some astounding flanger/phaser chorus stuff

Only things I miss is an arpeggiator or sequencer


And above it all...it sounds amazing! like a mix of Rhino/Crystal/Absynth...

Keep this free!!!


THANK YOU PAUL!!!!!

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bucket wrote:

I used this synth last night on my laptop as I performed with my homosexual noisecore band. We're called "The Jesus Humpers." Everyone there thought the synth sounded fantastic, then they all proceeded to have gaybuttsex.

ingenious


(sorry )

tried all the edit button I could find and had 14+ edit windows open...amazing!


BUGS:
Dial edits won´t be heard untill you send a new key on message
A master limiter is needed. the output can get very hot.
A nice manual with the vsti is good.(not really a bug)
Nicer interface...but that´s just me.

Mindless wrote:

tried all the edit button I could find and had 14+ edit windows open...amazing!

and they're all useful too

spaceman wrote:

Mindless wrote: tried all the edit button I could find and had 14+ edit windows open...amazing! and they're all useful too

why are you laughing...I thought you liked this synth

Mindless wrote:

spaceman wrote: Mindless wrote: tried all the edit button I could find and had 14+ edit windows open...amazing! and they're all useful too why are you laughing...I thought you liked this synth

I do, very much so.. your commment just sounded like "this is a good synth because it has 14 windows".. of course I know that's not what you meant

perhaps I did...I´m a bit of edit window whore

Mindless wrote:

perhaps I did...I´m a bit of edit window whore

where is timC when you need him?

tim can you whip us up some super D duper patches??



I know this isnt PA but over there we have a monthly contest... and pick a synth to make patches for.. would be nice to see this one on the block for a future month.

Can i just add my voice to the chorus to say that this is an exceptional piece of work... The sort of synth that you could lose the rest of your life in.. Awesome..!

Awesome it is!!

Man, the demo oggs sound NICE, so I downloaded the synth all excited only to find I left my keyboard cable down at CHURCH! Oh, the irony, the KvR irony! (But all is not lost--it's a beautiful day here so I'm taking my surfboard and will grab the cable on the way back).

And Paul, if you're readin'--thanks in advance for posting what looks to be an excellent piece of work.

Tom

heheh...the synth has a built in keyboard...check the main edit page

DOH!!

Thanks Mindless! Might be a while before I get to the water...

Tom

I am glad the thread got back to the serious stuff - I've been playing with this for the last hour or so and this synth is incredibly deep, sounds great and deserves respect.

Thanks Paul for posting this.

Question - How would I play a multi-part sequence using the ZYN?

trust me on this one tom.. you are going to want a midi keyboard for this synth.. it takes on a whole new feel.



try tuning your keyboard down a couple octaves.. and try a low C .. its sooo nice.

I wish more synths sounded this good..

So I think the question on everybody's minds is:

Does it sound like a Virus?

Can someone please post a direct link to the download of the Windows version. I see many things for download, then when I click on download on whatI think is the synth, it brings ,me to another page with other download options ( http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=62934&package_id =59720&release_id=181371 ).

I must be missing something obvious, but a direct link to the download of the synth would be great. I don't plan on coding or anything.. I just want to check the synth out... thanks..

Is it ZynAddSubFX-win32-1.4.3.zip in the link above by any chance?

Patrick:

click on the 'panel window' button in the top right corner (below the giant panic button) then enable the other channels by selecting the check boxes.. now click on the giant empty box below the checkbox and select the patch you want..

then select the midi channel below the panning knob

[edited because it was wrong ]

LBN wrote:

So I think the question on everybody's minds is: Does it sound like a Virus?

and has anyone been able to make it scream like a bhaaaaaahhhhhstard

VitaminD - Cheers, I've got it now. This gets better all athe time

VitaminD wrote:

Patrick: click on the 'panel window' button in the top right corner (below the giant panic button) then enable the other channels by selecting the check boxes.. now click on the giant empty box below the checkbox and select the patch you want.. then select the midi channel below the panning knob

and how about "Instr. kit Item Edit" button?
hmm... does that do the same?

aha.. I think it does.. cool

pheeleep wrote:

Can someone please post a direct link to the download of the Windows version. I see many things for download, then when I click on download on whatI think is the synth, it brings ,me to another page with other download options ( http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=62934&package_id =59720&release_id=181371 ). I must be missing something obvious, but a direct link to the download of the synth would be great. I don't plan on coding or anything.. I just want to check the synth out... thanks.. Is it ZynAddSubFX-win32-1.4.3.zip in the link above by any chance?

Thats the one Pheeleep you then go to another page to select the mirror

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

Thanks Spe3d

pheeleep, if you haven't got there yet, try here, and select a download location!

HTH
DSP

HOLY CRA--oh, sorry, I mean...WOWIE ZOWIE!!!

This thing is WONDERFUL! And I find it really simple to grok, which scares me into thinking I'm probably missing a lot since normally I'm totally lame. (Oops--I typoed "totally" as "titally" but we won't go there).

Sounds terrific. I'm off to get my cable so's I can play it for real.

Yeah, pheeleep, that file is the one you want.

Thanks again, Paul.

Tom

Thanks for the multiple confirmations of the correct download file

Man from all the comments this thing must rock... I can't believe I am actually about to try out a standalone synth .. lol..

I'm selling half my synth collection when the vst version comes out

However...I´m gettin´ some crashes now and then...seems to be a cpu hog...prolly why I´ve got the probs.
Anyway...the Chorus Rhodes in the masters folder is I could make a tune with that alone or play it all day.

spaceman wrote:

LBN wrote: So I think the question on everybody's minds is: Does it sound like a Virus? and has anyone been able to make it scream like a bhaaaaaahhhhhstard

yup...alot of rez does the trick...more overload though.

..............man,..............


was playing with it about 2hr, just playing chords with activated appregiator from the keyboard (the latency is killing me otherwise):

I was stepping through the edit-windows, tweaking a bit while playing, recognize that the "cutoff" and "resonance"-knobs of my YAMAHA DJX (used as masterkeyboard ) are working as midisend....


............................




Start from any preset you want and discover this universe of sounds (yes, I mean it )

Download it,
turn the knobs....

Maybe your eyes get wet like mine...( )

I had ver. 1.4.0 on my machine for some time now and really like playing with this synth. I think it has a very nice sound and is very versatile.
Looking forward to this new release, but would really like to see it ported to a Vsti.

Thanks for letting us share your work.
MRT

pheeleep wrote:

Thanks for the multiple confirmations of the correct download file Man from all the comments this thing must rock... I can't believe I am actually about to try out a standalone synth .. lol..

So was it all you had dreamed about...

spaceman wrote:

and has anyone been able to make it scream like a bhaaaaaahhhhhstard

YES!! with some random twiddling. If somebody really knew what they were doing with this they could make it curse and spit as well.

pough wrote:

This: "Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it!" is not a legal stipulation and therefore not violating the GPL. It is merely a request. I don't see what the big fuss is. Everyone is allowed to believe whatever they want unless what they believe is that they're right and everyone else is wrong? Sounds kinda silly to me. But wasn't this proven to be a joke? Or maybe I'm thinking of something else...

with all due respect pough, what kind of belief would i have if i didn't think every one else was wrong. although i might think you are wrong, i believe you should have the liberty to be wrong.

There is only one truth, something is either right or wrong, it can't be both. either the claims of Christ were right or they're wrong. If Christ's claims are correct, other teachings must be wrong.

But please understand, I 150% support your right to be wrong and sit in no judgement over you. Mabey that's really the crux of the issue, Nobody likes the arrogance that judgemental people excude.

Very nice sounds!

A few quick questions though...

There are a total of 128 presets ( minus a few blank ones ) when you click on show instrument banks. There aren't any other banks somewhere, correct? Just making sure I am not missing out on sounds. 128 presets is already generous

When you go to Instrument> Load Instrument, there are a few other sounds in here. Why are these not all in the bank?

It just seems easier to load sounds from the bank You see all the sounds at once and just highlight any sound to instantly here it, instead of going in the scroll down menu of Instrument>Load Instrument. I guess it's good to have both options.

I set the Buffer setting to 256 ( 11ms ), but it doesn't feel like 11ms. It seems the latency is higher... does everyone experience this? Some of us seem to have this problem.

I look forward to the VST version. I can't use the standalone version, because I have to be working in Fl Studio, but I look forward to it.

Oh, and the meter levels are blue!

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Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..).

New age Music Against Jesus? I thought a lot of it was very spiritual actually. Please elucidate on this far sweeping statement. :shock

pheeleep wrote:

It just seems easier to load sounds from the bank It seems the latency is higher... does everyone experience this? Some of us seem to have this problem.

I agree pheeleep, and latency on mine seems high also. I think that the dev is going to have to look at that. Apart from that it's great fun.

somebody had asked earlier about how to use this (or any standalone synth) and the answer is by using MIDIox. Or is it MIDI yoke... do a search, and it will for sure pop up in the results.
Wait, I'll do it. Just a second, I'll just go see.

Hey Spoonboiler, I am using MIDI OX and MIDI Yoke.

Been using em for over a year. That is what I am using right now.

Here's the link. I would be lost without this program. It is the single most necessary utility on my system.
download here: http://www.midiox.com/

you will then be able to define your midi out port from cubase or energy XT (as I use) or whatever else, as MIDIyoke 1, 2, 3, or any number up to 8. Each one has the full sixteen channels. It is basically a virtual MIDI patch bay (if you are an old guy who used to use hardware only, you know what I mean, but the youngsters might not.)
so there ya go.

glad to hear that Pheeleep.
Yeh, I figured most people know, but there was just somebody who asked about that earlier, so now EVERYBODY knows
cheerz.
SB)

Spe3D wrote:

koolkeys wrote: Good grief........ Koolkeys Ah! you be needing this link then, or not http://www.churchofchristatgoldhillroad.org/study/slng.htm Best regards, Spe3d :O)

Yikez!!!!!!

the pads this thing creates are fantastic.. I am anxiously awaiting the vsti version..

the basses are stellar too.. I'm not too fond of all the fx on them.. but turn them off and it sounds so nice.

(imo) this is how synthesis should sound!

Man, this is one sweet synth! I noticed there are 160 replies to the original post, but Paul has not posted back - probably due to the amount of utter BS posted here by idiots. Nasty KvR people have scared the poor guy away.

This is too good a synth to not be productized and at least picked up by a software publisher. It deserves to be famous. It's a classic from the first play. Or if we want to keep it free, maybe get in touch with Paul and offer help with coding, GUI design, porting to VST etc?

We need Tim C. to work his magic with this one - will send him a PM now

Paul - please post back here please with an update. Ignore the morons; you've created a masterpiece!

this is truly a very well made synth, this could be possibly the best freebie vsti when the plugin version is ready

i can't believe that it's free and open source, absolutely kickass, thanks

without judging anyone or their opinion:

i for one will respect the author's request, and make sure that I don't make any music that is mocking God or religion using his instrument. Doesn't seem like a difficult thing to do, in exchange for a very nice piece of synth...

WHILE judging some people or their opinion:

some of you guys are fucking lame. it's like a playground in this place sometime, this is supposed to be a music forum. leave the guy alone if you don't like his thing. I haven't once seen anyone shit on the author of Delay Lama for his request to support Tibetan Buddhism in their free plugin, and I hear people discussing that plugin all the time. Are you poser anti-religious, or is it just that some religions not good enough for you? man grow up people.

anyway, thanks again for making this fine work available under GPL

cheers

You have to keep his thing locked in its own special folder. Can I make Arabic music with it? How about jazz? Just what we need--a NAZI synth.

[quote="this is supposed to be a music forum. [/quote]

Yeah, I agree, but make sure you leave anti-christian music like new age out of it..

This is getting ridiculous. This is a brilliant synth, with lots of work involved, and the only thing some people can do is mock. Really, get a life please.

Anyway, I finally had a chance to try this synth and I'm more than impressed. I'll be using it for sure, especially the E-piano and Organ patches. There is so much depth in this synth that it would be a long time before anyone realized it's full potential. I can't wait for VST form, but until then, I'll be using MIDIOx to use it with Tracktion.

Thank you Paul for your contribution to the music community. And don't let the mocking of a few people turn you away. More of us respect you than don't. Keep up the good work! Cheers!

Koolkeys

It has to be said:

Who gives a fuck what the author requests when it comes to giving away free stuff.

It's like your parents giving you $200 for your 21st birthday and saying "have fun but don't get too wasted". like they're going to stop you!

aside from that point, it seems some wankers are more enthused of posting irrelevant, sob story type bullshit or anti-Christianity rants than thanking the author for his hard work! Unless you screamed like a bhastard, no one wants to hear about it.

I for one am Christian- proudly so- But thats not going to stop me writing a track with this synth, called "I HATE GOD". It's going to be a cross between New Age and Metal, of course

Oh, and Paul- this really is a fine peice of work. Once it is VST'd up this is going to be a killer, I can't wait!

pheeleep wrote:

I set the Buffer setting to 256 ( 11ms ), but it doesn't feel like 11ms. It seems the latency is higher... does everyone experience this? Some of us seem to have this problem.

I have the same high latency, although I have to admit I haven't read the docs yet so maybe I'm missing something

Muff Wiggler wrote:

this is truly a very well made synth, this could be possibly the best freebie vsti when the plugin version is ready i can't believe that it's free and open source, absolutely kickass, thanks without judging anyone or their opinion: i for one will respect the author's request, and make sure that I don't make any music that is mocking God or religion using his instrument. Doesn't seem like a difficult thing to do, in exchange for a very nice piece of synth... WHILE judging some people or their opinion: some of you guys are fucking lame. it's like a playground in this place sometime, this is supposed to be a music forum. leave the guy alone if you don't like his thing. I haven't once seen anyone shit on the author of Delay Lama for his request to support Tibetan Buddhism in their free plugin, and I hear people discussing that plugin all the time. Are you poser anti-religious, or is it just that some religions not good enough for you? man grow up people. anyway, thanks again for making this fine work available under GPL cheers

amen

hoffy wrote:

It has to be said: Who gives a fuck what the author requests when it comes to giving away free stuff. It's like your parents giving you $200 for your 21st birthday and saying "have fun but don't get too wasted". like they're going to stop you! aside from that point, it seems some wankers are more enthused of posting irrelevant, sob story type bullshit or anti-Christianity rants than thanking the author for his hard work! Unless you screamed like a bhastard, no one wants to hear about it. I for one am Christian- proudly so- But thats not going to stop me writing a track with this synth, called "I HATE GOD". It's going to be a cross between New Age and Metal, of course Oh, and Paul- this really is a fine peice of work. Once it is VST'd up this is going to be a killer, I can't wait!

my guess is that the wankers bashing the guy don't have a fucking clue about music in the first place and probably can't recongnise a good synth if it bit them in the bollocks

The latency is killing me--has anyone been able to change and save the buffer and oscilsize settings? And if so, does that make any difference? They are always 256 and 512 on both my comps--one XP and one Win2K.

Tom

SaviorNeeded wrote:

The latency is killing me--has anyone been able to change and save the buffer and oscilsize settings? And if so, does that make any difference? They are always 256 and 512 on both my comps--one XP and one Win2K. Tom

I can lower the buffer to 64 and lower but the latency is still higher than it should be

I'm guessing it's not using my asio drivers

I think I'm going to read TFM

Those ogg demos are unbelievable... thick with quality, especially those formant filters sound awesome.

Thanks & respect for the author.

@paulnasca

Hi Paul,

the Zynaddsubfx is a fantastic work - i take my hat and say a big THANK YOU !

AND I like the mentioned limitation in use TOO.

Regards

I tried reading the M--but, alas, English is my first language so naturally I'm at a disadvantage. *

Spaceman, I guess since you can change yours and I can't mine, it's something to do with the soundcard, but mine are completely different on my two machines. There is a config file I could rewrite but someone needs to clue me in on how to change a "read only" file...

Thanks much

*OOPS! I ment that as a joke about my public school education and lack of skill--not at all directed toward the manual or Paul! Sorry!

Tom

SaviorNeeded wrote:

I tried reading the M--but, alas, English is my first language so naturally I'm at a disadvantage. Spaceman, I guess since you can change yours and I can't mine, it's something to do with the soundcard, but mine are completely different on my two machines. There is a config file I could rewrite but someone needs to clue me in on how to change a "read only" file... Thanks much Tom

make it not read only

I'm going to have a look at that config file too

Quote:

someone needs to clue me in on how to change a "read only" file...

Quote:

make it not read only

Sounds like one of my teachers' answers: "How do I spell that word?" "Look it up in the dictionary, Tommy."



Tom

And the dictionary says:

In Windows Explorer, right-click the cfg file, choose "Properties" from the menu, untick the "Read-only" box in the bottom of the window and press "Ok".

...Good luck tampering with the settings (you could save a copy of the original file somewhere)

someone needs to clue me in on how to change a "read only" file...

Right-click on the file. Select 'Properties'. Uncheck the Read-Only box....

It might be possible that the latency will be very high. If this happens, you have to set the environment variable PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC = 50 to a value that represents the latency in miliseconds.

Can anyone tell me where exactly i intiate this command? I tried saving it in the .cfg, but it overwrites itself after each start.

Lovely sounding synth this.

An observation:

when I play the synth on my office machine which has only some crappy onboard soundcard running asio4all, the latency is actually much lower than on my card at home running ASIO drivers at rediculous latencies

I'm guessing the synth either uses standard mme drivers
OR there's something we can change in the config file to force it to use a specific driver.

I've send Paul an email to ask for help

I'll let you know if I'm any wiser

take_the_veil wrote:

It might be possible that the latency will be very high. If this happens, you have to set the environment variable PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC = 50 to a value that represents the latency in miliseconds. Can anyone tell me where exactly i intiate this command? I tried saving it in the .cfg, but it overwrites itself after each start. Lovely sounding synth this.

I think WINDOWS_WAVE_OUT_ID = 0 might be the key. Maybe it's the driver id (0 for default, 1 for...) I've asked Paul for help.. I'll let you know if I know anything more

spaceman wrote:

take_the_veil wrote: It might be possible that the latency will be very high. If this happens, you have to set the environment variable PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC = 50 to a value that represents the latency in miliseconds. Can anyone tell me where exactly i intiate this command? I tried saving it in the .cfg, but it overwrites itself after each start. Lovely sounding synth this. I think WINDOWS_WAVE_OUT_ID = 0 might be the key. Maybe it's the driver id (0 for default, 1 for...) I've asked Paul for help.. I'll let you know if I know anything more

Excellent.

Although most of the presets are "standard" it's the quality of the sounds and onboard effects (and that's just scraping the surface) that really interests me. Some of those sounds really do make you think "hardware". Brilliant programming indeed.

Wow... I wonder what the devs are doing now...

take_the_veil wrote:

spaceman wrote: take_the_veil wrote: It might be possible that the latency will be very high. If this happens, you have to set the environment variable PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC = 50 to a value that represents the latency in miliseconds. Can anyone tell me where exactly i intiate this command? I tried saving it in the .cfg, but it overwrites itself after each start. Lovely sounding synth this. I think WINDOWS_WAVE_OUT_ID = 0 might be the key. Maybe it's the driver id (0 for default, 1 for...) I've asked Paul for help.. I'll let you know if I know anything more Excellent. Although most of the presets are "standard" it's the quality of the sounds and onboard effects (and that's just scraping the surface) that really interests me. Some of those sounds really do make you think "hardware". Brilliant programming indeed.

the oscillator shaping possibilities are stupendously vast. I've created sounds ranging from distorted guitars to super warm pads.. and I didn't even know what I was doing at that point

I'm going to spend a lot of time with this synth

Prompted by another thread; you could try using Virtual Audio Cable with this thing...

whyterabbyt wrote:

Prompted by another thread; you could try using Virtual Audio Cable with this thing...

My thorts exactly good thir!

VAC is a great bit of kit... One day I'll have to actually pay for it to get around the 3minute demo limitation!

Is it me, or is this the fastest growing thread for a long time...?

Great synth!

DSP

I can't figure out how to open the documentation file. Anyone know how? I have the file but it has the windows flag on it and wants to know what program to open it with. Usually doc files can be double-clicked on.

The latency on my laptop with plain direct drivers sounds to be about 50ms.

Has anyone had success layering voices using the mixer panel? I can add a second voice but it won't play and then the synth crashes. Actually it still plays but the gui starts to black out and the latency goes up to about 200 ms. Then I have to ctrl>alt>del.

PT wrote:

I can't figure out how to open the documentation file. Anyone know how? I have the file but it has the windows flag on it and wants to know what program to open it with. Usually doc files can be double-clicked on. The latency on my laptop with plain direct drivers sounds to be about 50ms. Has anyone had success layering voices using the mixer panel? I can add a second voice but it won't play and then the synth crashes. Actually it still plays but the gui starts to black out and the latency goes up to about 200 ms. Then I have to ctrl>alt>del.

try the asio4All driver, it will improve the latency
I can't help you with the other problem unfortunately, works fine on my machine. I'm guessing it's just maxing out your CPU

faster machine mate

Just a question, has someone invited Paul to this thread...His advice is much needed regarding latency and bugs.
And has anyone talked to him about the interface?
ppl offer to skin it for free here.

anyone?

I like this synth
Nice job

This is a fantastic synth - one of the best synths I've ever heard

- I hope it gets released as a vsti soon

Mindless wrote:

Just a question, has someone invited Paul to this thread...His advice is much needed regarding latency and bugs. And has anyone talked to him about the interface? ppl offer to skin it for free here. anyone?

I've send him an email..
I'm sure he'll show up at some point

pough wrote:

This: "Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Realize that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it!" is not a legal stipulation and therefore not violating the GPL. It is merely a request. I don't see what the big fuss is. Everyone is allowed to believe whatever they want unless what they believe is that they're right and everyone else is wrong? Sounds kinda silly to me. But wasn't this proven to be a joke? Or maybe I'm thinking of something else...

Does this mean I'm totally fucked because I live among a hundred million Buddhists?

I'm so confused lately.. There are just way too many Gods out there and not enough music... I don't wanna be a Jew, or a Christian or a Muslim or whatever the fuck, I just wanna jam without having to be on a "mission from Gawd" to use a synthesizer.

Right on!

Quote:

Does this mean I'm totally fucked because I live among a hundred million Buddhists?

come on! the religious aspect of this was discussed
ad nauseum yesterday.

[quote="koolkeys"]

sickle666 wrote:

spaceman wrote: Wait, I want you to tell me where this happened? When did HE ever come in here and "walk in here & spout this totaly offensive christian bullshit"? Oh, wait, he DIDN'T. It was YOU and others who brought religion into this. 1. He posted a simple REQUEST, saying PLEASE, all on HIS website, not here. HE didn't involve religion on this site at all. 2. He didn't come in here and say ANYTHING about your beliefs or way of life. What gives you the right to say something about his? 3. HE put the work into this synth for years. So he can make whatever request he desires, whether you like it or not. 4. If you don't like his request, then either ignore it and do as you please with it, or don't use it. Simple. It doesn't take much to understand this. Some people really need to get a life and stop the stupidity. It's plain and simple. If you like the synth, use it. If not, then keep your mouth shut on this forum about his religious preferences. I'm a Christian. I play the piano for my church every week. And alot of the music I write is Christian. My choice, get over it. I won't impose it on you here. I have strong beliefs. I won't ask that you agree with me. And I may not agree with you. It doesn't matter. We're on a MUSIC site. NOT a religious site. Note that he kept the religion off this site. Then some idiotic responses were made that totally threw this thread off. And yes, I'm contributing. I haven't said anything offensive to you, so please don't try and put me down. You won't hurt or offend me. And just as I have no right to say you are right, wrong, stupid, ignorant, etc., you have no right to do it to me either, or him. I plan on downloading the synth tonight. I look forward to it as many here seem to like it. Thank you for giving this to us. And I'm sorry this thread had to go this way. Cheers! Koolkeys

that was so well put it aint funny. totally agree

Yep! One of Spaceman’s better quotes








Just kidding Spaceman



Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

I have used Paul's synth on DOS, it was already the greatest standalone synth available back then, and it was free too.

This new one has been out for quite some time now, and I'm glad it finally gets the attention it deserves. I'm really looking forward to checking the VST version when it comes out.

Once again, hats off Paul and please ignore the morons who imagine than being cool consists in dissing other people's beliefs.

bluedad wrote:

Quote: Does this mean I'm totally fucked because I live among a hundred million Buddhists? come on! the religious aspect of this was discussed ad nauseum yesterday.

Yeah well, I wasn't here yesterday, but I thought it was funny!

stop teasin me with mentions of the vst
ive already heard how good this thing is now your just rubbin it in



before anyone says anything
i have my reasons for avoiding standalones





wtf am i smokin today?
anyway yeah lets here some music with the big feller then

Spe3D wrote:

Yep! One of Spaceman’s better quotes Just kidding Spaceman Best regards, Spe3d :O)

I had to think long and hard to come up with that quote but it was worth it at the end..

I have printed it out and I've hung it on me wall

Xander wrote:

bluedad wrote: Quote: Does this mean I'm totally fucked because I live among a hundred million Buddhists? come on! the religious aspect of this was discussed ad nauseum yesterday. Yeah well, I wasn't here yesterday, but I thought it was funny!

ok, you're excused then.
(and I just noticed where you are! )

spaceman wrote:

Spe3D wrote: Yep! One of Spaceman’s better quotes Just kidding Spaceman Best regards, Spe3d :O) I had to think long and hard to come up with that quote but it was worth it at the end.. I have printed it out and I've hung it on me wall

Hung it on the wall? I have whole rooms covered in it

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

guys... I made a synth.. I'll promise to upload it for you but you have to agree that you will not make electronic music with it ...



....



That is how ludicrous his clause is - I don't care if he made it and is giving it away for free, the doesn't give him the right to be an arsehole.

Amberience wrote:

guys... I made a synth.. I'll promise to upload it for you but you have to agree that you will not make electronic music with it ... .... That is how ludicrous his clause is - I don't care if he made it and is giving it away for free, the doesn't give him the right to be an arsehole.

are you going for the twat of the month award or something?

give it a rest already

I see only one arsehole here mate and it aint him

I hope Ben can add a no arsehole clause to the rules as well because there seem to be plenty of them around

if you don't like the guys synth or his clause THEN DON'T FUCKING USE IT AND DON'T FUCKING READ IT

and amberience.. you're a complete tosser

Sorry dude... Shall I drink the blood of Jesus Christ and shut the fuck up???

Sorry for having an opinion... Lets all follow the example set by Mr. George W. Bush - Lets be retards!!


hmmmmm... no.

Amberience wrote:

Sorry dude... Shall I drink the blood of Jesus Christ and shut the fuck up??? Sorry for having an opinion... Lets all follow the example set by Mr. George W. Bush - Lets be retards!! hmmmmm... no.

you're not having an opinion, you just called someone an arsehole because you dont agree with him..

and your comments are less than childish.. they moronic

fucking tosser you are mate
and I dont say that aften about someone

I suppose you think women belong in the kitchen, Spaceman? How about Jewish people.. how do you feel about them? Blacks? Chinese people? Arabs? Buddhists? Death Metal fans? Nu-Metal fans? Pop fans? Britney Spears? Michael Jackson?

C'mon.. if you're gonna label me an arsehole for having an opinion on something, then you may as well go all the way!!

Amberience wrote:

I suppose you think women belong in the kitchen, Spaceman? How about Jewish people.. how do you feel about them? Blacks? Chinese people? Arabs? Buddhists? Death Metal fans? Nu-Metal fans? Pop fans? Britney Spears? Michael Jackson? C'mon.. if you're gonna label me an arsehole for having an opinion on something, then you may as well go all the way!!

what the fuck are you going on about mate

spaceman wrote:

you're not having an opinion, you just called someone an arsehole because you dont agree with him.. and your comments are less than childish.. they moronic fucking tosser you are mate and I dont say that aften about someone

You're a cock. End of story.

please...everyone stop this.
Be happy for this fantastic gift and look forward to the VSTi.

Before you call someone this or that, try the synth first.
And, the creator has the right to make any claims he wants...just read the licensing agreements of any software and maybe you´ll feel better...actually, Pauls request seems harmless compared to the big guys.

Amberience wrote:

I suppose you think women belong in the kitchen, Spaceman? How about Jewish people.. how do you feel about them? Blacks? Chinese people? Arabs? Buddhists? Death Metal fans? Nu-Metal fans? Pop fans? Britney Spears? Michael Jackson? C'mon.. if you're gonna label me an arsehole for having an opinion on something, then you may as well go all the way!!

you sound like the kind of arsehole that picks fight in pubs

are you drunk or something?

or are you working out some frustrations.. is your dick too small? does you boyfriend have hemroids ??

HEY HEY HEY!!!!!!! shut up please!

All because of...

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

sorry, but I couldnt let this one go

WHAT A GREAT SYNTH!!!

Ok. Spaceman, I am not the kind of guy who picks a fight in a pub. I am not confrontational.

This isn't an argument over the synth, this is an argument over the principles set forth by the clauses imposed on users of this synth.

He doesn't want anyone creating Death Metal with his synth - Doesn't that seem a bit Saddam Hussein or George Bush to you??

He is trying to dictate to his users as to what they should not be creating - An extremely right-wing point of view.

I called you a cock because you are defending this point of view - I bet you believe that the state has a right to meddle in our affairs too don't you.

FFS!

For fucks sake ENOUGH

The guy who wrote the synth can put whatever he likes in his license agreement, you don't have to use it if you don't want to. If you don't agree with his point of view don't use the bloody thing, send him an e-mail and tell him how wrong you think he is, but stop this incessant bickering at KVR

I've unlocked this thread as Paul would like a chance to reply, however, I have a very itchy finger at the moment so relax or it's closed again

Thanks for this wonderful synth, Paul



edit: Oh, and welcome at kvr

is anyone sharing their presets yet?

I've made only 3 so far.. wondering how everyone else was going about the preset making..


Please PM if you have extra presets and are willing to let me (and others) use them.. I want moreeeee

Hi.
I am impressed by the fact that are 200+ replies to this subject about my synth (I tried to read them all, and is possible that I missed something).
First, I want to respond about the "religion" facts. The reason I put that statement into my website ("Please do not use this synth agains God and Jesus Christ...etc..) is the fact that I don't want my work to be used to separate men by God. How a synth can be used like this? Is about the music that can contain some beliefs that are not true. Second, is not about the religion or my beliefs, is about the TRUTH . Jesus Christ is not a religion (even if is common the phrase "christian religion"). He is the Son of God and He died for us and only thru Him we can be saved. This is 0% religion and 100% truth. You are free to belive or not belive it (but, the consequences will depends on your choise). I hope that you realize this.
About my synth, this is just another human-made thing, so sooner or later will perish(dissapear). That's why you should think more about Salvation than about a synth that today sounds good and "tomorrow" will not exist.

I had to write above lines (even this is a technical forum) as response to all people that, in their ignorance about the most important thing in life - the relationship with God and the Salvation, say words that hurts not me, but God Himself. I am sorry for them

About tehnical stuff, the synth:
1) Latency
The reason of the big latency is that the library that I use (portaudio). Unfortunately, I cannot use a internal function to set the latency to a lower value, but there is an evironment variable "PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC" that you can set to a lower value. You can try, but if the value is too low, you may ecounter drops and clicks.
A simple ideea is to create a bat file and to put threre:
set PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC=30
zynaddsubfx.exe

2) About the output device, is the same story:
The environment variable is PA_RECOMMENDED_OUTPUT_DEVICE, and you can do by trial and error.

I am sorry that I couldn't find a better solution for this.

3) VST version
Because so many asked for this, I will raise it's priority. I have to finish the midi-file loading and after this, I will continue the vst (the vst version exist now, but is too unstable to be usefull).

4) If you can compile programs (you are developer)..
..you can download the latest version (as soon I finish the work into one day, you have access to it), by CVS.
Look at the CVS page from the project page at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zynaddsubfx

Paul

P.S. I wish to thank Ben|Kvr for reopening the topic at my request in order to reply.

Wow, that must be a first... a thread that was unlocked again! Why doesn't everyone calm down and let Paul (the guy who wrote the synth) have a few words. If you don't agree with his terms, you don't hae to use his synth.... simple!

Well truth for you - yes! but only facts by 50% = Christ.

Now you would be better from a music aspect to say DON'T use this synth to CAUSE HARM and HATE towards others - you cannot define one truth in this world as apsolute, even death.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

this has got to be one of the best posts ever on kvr - from salvation and accepting jesus as your savior to issues of latency and possible future vst version. a classic.

paulnasca wrote:

... but there is an evironment variable "PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC" that you can set to a lower value. You can try, but if the value is too low, you may ecounter drops and clicks. A simple ideea is to create a bat file and to put threre: set PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC=30 zynaddsubfx.exe

cool! this works great.. thanks!


and thanks again for this lovely synth! have you considered potentially making DSP and audio software a career?

also what is "PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC=" set to as default?

jcroot wrote:

this has got to be one of the best posts ever on kvr - from salvation and accepting jesus as your savior to issues of latency and possible future vst version. a classic.

and that's different from the other 1985783475834 posts... How?

bluedad wrote:

Xander wrote: bluedad wrote: Quote: Does this mean I'm totally fucked because I live among a hundred million Buddhists? come on! the religious aspect of this was discussed ad nauseum yesterday. Yeah well, I wasn't here yesterday, but I thought it was funny! ok, you're excused then. (and I just noticed where you are! )

VitaminD wrote:

paulnasca wrote: ... but there is an evironment variable "PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC" that you can set to a lower value. You can try, but if the value is too low, you may ecounter drops and clicks. A simple ideea is to create a bat file and to put threre: set PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC=30 zynaddsubfx.exe cool! this works great.. thanks!

Hi VitaminD
could you explain for all the nonewiseguys like me, how you do it, maybe step by step,
or just put the file somewhere to dl, and explain where to put it in my pc?
please, it would be great and very helpful.

And many thanks to Paul for this wonderful soundcreation tool.

Quote:

I've unlocked this thread as Paul would like a chance to reply, however, I have a very itchy finger at the moment so relax or it's closed again

if you've got an itchy finger, I suggest scratching it with your arse.

...........................or should that be the other way around I always get these things wrong......

I made a batch find to change the latency and 50ms is the lowest i could get....still, that's reasonably low (workably low anyway.)

what i put in was (on seperate lines)

set PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC=50
C:\Audio\ZynAddSubFX\zynaddsubfx.exe

if you dont know how to make a batch file, open notepad and just type the above (altering the location of the synth executable)

to paul:

also can you implement ASIO funcionality? I see that portaudio v18.1 supports ASIO so would it be feasable to include it with your synth?

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also to rsmus7:

just make a new text file (with notepad) and put

set PA_MIN_LATENCY_MSEC=50
zynaddsubfx.exe

in the file then save it as something like runme.bat

make sure the synth is not running.. and then double click on the runme.bat. It should open up a DOS command box as well as the synthesizer.. ta da

you can edit the latency value to an acceptable amount.. I had to increase from 30 because I was getting serious crackles! but 50 seems to be fine for most stuff..

doh looks like someone beat me to it!

I feel like a chemist here...

Take a large Zynaddsubfx, add a little VitaminD, make a batch (file) with nonprescription Latency and--KABOOM!

I'll try to sort this all out when I return from work...as I often say, "I love KvR"!

Tom

Or you can go to control panel, double click system, go to the advanced tab and click environment variables. From there you can add and change environment variables.

Quote:

This is 0% religion and 100% truth

I seriously think this thread should be locked again. If Paul cannot keep his personal doctrines out of this discussion it shouldn't be expected of others neither. I could easily by logic disprove that the christian God exists, show that Jesus Christ is not historically proven, and even more easily so prove that we do not have a free will. I doubt that we want to have all of this at kvr.

Lock this thread. If people and paul want to discuss this synth, they can start up a clean thread and NOT pull religion in to it.

alternatively.. if you really dont know what to do..

http://home.att.net/~vitamind/files/runme.bat

there is the file..

download it and stick it in your ZynAddSubFX-win32-1.4.3 directory

you can edit the buffer size by right clicking on the file and selecting 'edit' from the options.

best of luck!

Thanks a lot for the answers!!! much appreciated

stefancrs wrote:

I seriously think this thread should be locked again. If Paul cannot keep his personal doctrines out of this discussion it shouldn't be expected of others neither.

Lets get the FACTS straight.. paul didnt start this thread by explaining his religious beliefs. other kvr members did. he was only responding to what others started in the past 10+ pages.. he didnt start the fire!! it was already burning... since the worlds been turning.. (duh duh da duh)

stefancrs wrote:

Quote: This is 0% religion and 100% truth I seriously think this thread should be locked again. If Paul cannot keep his personal doctrines out of this discussion it shouldn't be expected of others neither. I could easily by logic disprove that the christian God exists, show that Jesus Christ is not historically proven, and even more easily so prove that we do not have a free will. I doubt that we want to have all of this at kvr. Lock this thread. If people and paul want to discuss this synth, they can start up a clean thread and NOT pull religion in to it.

Sorry Stefan, but I totally disagree.
Paul only answered to dozens of replies made
to his original post. Thsi original post was 100%
free of any religious content. Then someone went to his website and found something to shit on here
at kvr. Others shit on it as well. Even more others
shit on the shit.
After that Paul replied once whith a post with religious content only to clean himself of the shit
others have put on him and now you blame him for
that?

He took the chance to answer with ONE SINGLE REPLY so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE now let it rest after that.

you beat me to it Vit

Quote:

and now you blame him for that?

Him, myself, and all the other twits. I was bashing the thread, which I am part of. A new thread could be clean and nice, and if you are interested in this synth instead of religious stuff I can't see how keeping this thread going would benefit Pauls work even if people stopped discussing religion. The thread is already polluted. Ofcourse, one could delete all the posts in that field, but I do not like that kind of censorship and will not promote it.
Moving the synthtalk to a new thread I do promote.

Why should this thread be treated any different to any others here - it's a debate - with mixed matters! I doubt it needs locking - sort of thing most have decency on at some point - sort of pan out for sure.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

stefancrs wrote:

I could easily by logic disprove that the christian God exists, show that Jesus Christ is not historically proven, and even more easily so prove that we do not have a free will.

And what about if i use a diff host, say Fruity Loops, the Holy Ghost Edition?

stefancrs wrote:

Lock this thread.

Oooh, you're so dominant

Thanks Paul, this is a very good softwaresynth!

Quote:

And what about if i use a diff host, say Fruity Loops, the Holy Ghost Edition?

I do not know what the Holy Ghost is, I have never really gotten a satisfactionary explanation. Give it a shot.

Quote:

Oooh, you're so dominant

Come hither and thy shall taste my "glory"

Oh, btw, the synth sounded nice. Crappy UI but really neat-sounding.

Thanks Paul. I look forward to the VSTi version.

Robert

PS:
If someone believes in God, I understand and accept.

If someone does not believe in God, I understand and accept.

If someone does not believe in God and insist on crapping all over anyone who does, I just don’t understand the anger that person has towards those that believe.

Cant say i bothered to try it, im far to demonic and didnt want to offend the innocent

you know, i can't really help myself here..

thread came up with NO religion.. just to say again.. i recognise this depsite my anti-religion stance.. it was all cool, no prob here...

but this jesus christ saves stuff? (okay, against my better judgement..)

my public education experience, moving to the u.s. from the u.k. 1/2way thru my education, was in an accelerated, experimental educational program.. you had to have like a 150 i.q. to get in.

now one day, future u.s. army tank commander philip wong.. friend of mine but real nerd outcast.. pocket protector with sci calc in it, you know..

anyway.. it's english class, and this day he's giving a discussion on somethnig important to him.. turns out he's the full-blown born again type, telling us how jesus is the only salvation and everythnig..

now, pay attention..

during question and answer, i asked a rather tiresomely obvious question.. "so if jesus saves, and there is someone born on the earth before the time of jesus or in a time after but in a remote location where they never hear about jesus, and they live their whole live in peace, ery nice, et c.. so what happens to them"

wel, given jesus is the ony path to salvation, it demanded the textbook answer, philip puts his fingertips together, elbows on the table, "they are damned to hell for all eternity."

an uncomfortable silence fell over the room.

(well, that seems like a very reasonable universal hypothesis, doesn't it.. i'll make sure to stick up for that one... )

ya can't reason wit dogma, which is why they call it that instead of reason.

Well that is a well constructed answer Xoxos, Its even decent.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

Kriminal wrote:

Cant say i bothered to try it, im far to demonic and didnt want to offend the innocent

Spe3D wrote:

Why should this thread be treated any different to any others here - it's a debate - with mixed matters! I doubt it needs locking - sort of thing most have decency on at some point - sort of pan out for sure.

I see nothing to debate.

paul made a synth.. he made a thread about the synth alone.. no beliefs were included in his kvr statements.

others decided to knock him for his statements on a different website outside of kvr.

he has his beliefs.. you have yours.. nothing to debate.

if you want a debate on religious issues, I'm sure you can find one by searching google.com or any of the various search engines.

he only made a simple request and some kvr members bash him for it? talk about an excerise in your own tolerance.

Its already been said.. but other synths come with requests. the ZR-1 and 3 request you donate to greenpeace or another environmentalist foundation. Delay Llama developers request that you donate to the "International Campaigne for Tibet."

everyone has beliefs that they will stand up for... no need to bash someone or their beliefs because you dont agree with them. he didnt come here preaching fire and brimstone.. so get over it.

unless you want a debate/argument/bash audionerdz for their beliefs on Tibet and Rumpelrausch Täips for their wish that you donate/support environmentalist views and ideals. which I'm guessing ben would just love...

----------------------------------------------------

its apparent that some people here have some serious issues they need to work out inside themselves.. about dealing with other people and their beliefs. its kind of sickening to me to see such a display by some here...

Indeed, there is a large amount of, as we say in the trade, BOLLOX, being spoken here.

I say free the Newmarket 5

stefancrs wrote:

Quote: This is 0% religion and 100% truth I seriously think this thread should be locked again. If Paul cannot keep his personal doctrines out of this discussion it shouldn't be expected of others neither. I could easily by logic disprove that the christian God exists, show that Jesus Christ is not historically proven, and even more easily so prove that we do not have a free will. I doubt that we want to have all of this at kvr. Lock this thread. If people and paul want to discuss this synth, they can start up a clean thread and NOT pull religion in to it.

Oops! I came expecting to see some info about Xoxos, but if I may interject...My understanding of freewill based on a biblical perspective is that it is the freedom to choose between life or death, not to do whatever the hell we want. And God will never intervene upon these choices unless asked through prayer. We have complete control over our own destinys, but must make the simple choice (according to the Bible) to either recieve or reject Gods payment for sin, which is Christ's sacrafice on the cross...I hope I have been of some help. Take care. ~ Mr B

VitaminD wrote:

Spe3D wrote: Why should this thread be treated any different to any others here - it's a debate - with mixed matters! I doubt it needs locking - sort of thing most have decency on at some point - sort of pan out for sure. I see nothing to debate. paul made a synth.. he made a thread about the synth alone.. no beliefs were included in his kvr statements. others decided to knock him for his statements on a different website outside of kvr. he has his beliefs.. you have yours.. nothing to debate. if you want a debate on religious issues, I'm sure you can find one by searching google.com or any of the various search engines. he only made a simple request and some kvr members bash him for it? talk about an excerise in your own tolerance. Its already been said.. but other synths come with requests. the ZR-1 and 3 request you donate to greenpeace or another environmentalist foundation. Delay Llama developers request that you donate to the "International Campaigne for Tibet." everyone has beliefs that they will stand up for... no need to bash someone or their beliefs because you dont agree with them. he didnt come here preaching fire and brimstone.. so get over it. unless you want a debate/argument/bash audionerdz for their beliefs on Tibet and Rumpelrausch Täips for their wish that you donate/support environmentalist views and ideals. which I'm guessing ben would just love... ---------------------------------------------------- its apparent that some people here have some serious issues they need to work out inside themselves.. about dealing with other people and their beliefs. its kind of sickening to me to see such a display by some here...

Damn you replied – should it be a discussion then – what is the topic again? Just about the synth or are you not mentioning another topic in there somewhere Vit?

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

you lot really try to get this thread locked again, don't you

Vitamin D, I obviously don't mean you.

Hallo Paul,

just wanted to say thank you for this great gift.
Haven't checked it out yet, but will as soon as time permits!

Big respect to your great work and big respect to what you believe in, and what you stand up for!

I may not agree to all of what you said, but I certainly respect people who stand up and mouth their opinions. Too many people nowadays do not believe in anything. Sad.

Ah, and should you need any tips or pointers with the VSTi version (at all), feel free to contact me (see webpage link), or just ask here at KVR in the developer forum.

(edit: Now that I have said what I wanted to say to Paul, hopefully this thread gets locked again soon. Too many people are more interested in ridiculous debates than actually consider to give even a single word of gratitude to Paul, who gave 2 years worth of hard work to them. Very depressing.)

All the best,
Stefan

My only question is who would make "satanic" music anyway? Seriously, that is the corniest idea ever...

I remember previous thread, and as now
i decided to respect author's will and didn't even downloaded it.
Now, i'd am really curious to hear which of you think they are ok with author's restriction (ie don't breach it) and which of you think that they break it but do not give a fuck about it (and how do they think it differs from using warez )

Depends if you fall for all of that corny Satanic propoganda, propogated by Christian fanatics.

If you know what real Satanism is, then you know what real Satanic music is.



I don't think anyone is judging this Paul geezer on his beliefs - at least I wasn't. What bothered me is that he requested that I not make my kind of music with his synth.

Surely you guys can diffrentiate between "dissing his beliefs" and "dissing his clause" - They are not interchangable.

SAP wrote:

Quote:

My only question is who would make "satanic" music anyway? Seriously, that is the corniest idea ever...

Santanists probably.

S_A_P wrote:

My only question is who would make "satanic" music anyway? Seriously, that is the corniest idea ever...

Satanic music is for Satans people and Christian music is for Christ's people. Personally, I prefer the road between of instrumental music, where the only statements made are the titles of the songs, which in many cases can be interpreted in several ways depending on the individual's perspective.

VitaminD wrote:

unless you want a debate/argument/bash audionerdz for their beliefs on Tibet and Rumpelrausch Täips for their wish that you donate/support environmentalist views and ideals.

Well, I'll probably be on your Shitlist, but it's not that simple and your comparison in incorrect. The environmentalists and supporters of Free Tibet do not dis forms of music like Newage and metal and so on, on their websites.

What you seem to be suggesting is that someone can post a product on their site, post the link here, then advertise or put offensive words up on it that they know KVRers will all read when we go there.

It's the same thing as if I put up a freebie, and then posted on my download page to support Al Queda and the Islamist Movement, or to promote anti-semitism.

It sucks, it sucked and it still sucks. And yes - christian hatred and violence is right up there with al queda. Read your history.

The bottom line is that if you're going to post shit like that then you should expect - and wear - the flack.

I think my next website should a clause in it somewhere – talk about the publicity for k-v-r’ians

Best regards,

Spe3d

I going to throw some salt onto this little slug of a thread - I am a Satanist, but I do not understand the term Satanic music?

What is that? Music that deviates from the norm? In that case, Elvis was Satanic.

I don't get it.. Frank Sinatra was the one involved in the mob and drugs throughout his career, yet he gets a godamn halo!! A band like Slipknot get shit on for doing what they believe in and helping millions of frustrated teenagers across the world.

Xander wrote:

VitaminD wrote: unless you want a debate/argument/bash audionerdz for their beliefs on Tibet and Rumpelrausch Täips for their wish that you donate/support environmentalist views and ideals. Well, I'll probably be on your Shitlist, but it's not that simple and your comparison in incorrect. The environmentalists and supporters of Free Tibet do not dis forms of music like Newage and metal and so on, on their websites. What you seem to be suggesting is that someone can post a product on their site, post the link here, then advertise or put offensive words up on it that they know KVRers will all read when we go there. It's the same thing as if I put up a freebie, and then posted on my download page to support Al Queda and the Islamist Movement, or to promote anti-semitism. It sucks, it sucked and it still sucks. And yes - christian hatred and violence is right up there with al queda. Read your history. The bottom line is that if you're going to post shit like that then you should expect - and wear - the flack.

Good post!! You're on my "smart person" list... as for Paul.. he's on my "ignorant Christian fanatic who wants to rule the world and make it a sterile barren wasteland" list.

Amberience wrote:

I going to throw some salt onto this little slug of a thread - I am a Satanist, but I do not understand the term Satanic music? What is that? Music that deviates from the norm? In that case, Elvis was Satanic. I don't get it.. Frank Sinatra was the one involved in the mob and drugs throughout his career, yet he gets a godamn halo!! A band like Slipknot get shit on for doing what they believe in and helping millions of frustrated teenagers across the world.

My reply was in the direct sense rather than the vague. People who serve and worship their God, not some enigmatic ideal.

Amberience wrote:

I don't think anyone is judging this Paul geezer on his beliefs - at least I wasn't. What bothered me is that he requested that I not make my kind of music with his synth.

looking at most of the last 11 pages, could have fooled me!

its already been said half of a dozen times already in this thread.. but if you dont like his requests either (a) dont use his software or (b) you still have a right to ignore the request and continue using the software.

Sounds now.. that you got your feelings hurt.. he did all the work on the synth.. so outside of the GPL, shouldnt he have a right to make requests on his work? I surely think so. and judging from other synths, other developers do too.

I could see if you had bought the synth.. then after the fact he put some rule on there that it couldnt be used with your style.. but thats not what happened. nor are their any religious elements in the software itself. Its free software with a simple request (not order or demand)

what is so hard about that?

Amberience wrote:

Surely you guys can diffrentiate between "dissing his beliefs" and "dissing his clause" - They are not interchangable.

it wasnt really a clause though.. it wasnt in part of the contract. it was a request...

and besides.. there HAVE been rather nasty comments about his beliefs in this thread...

ugh!

Very neat little synth and its fun to play with. appreciate the hard work and effort that went into this and that its free, but...

"Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..)."

Problem is I make HeavyMetal/Hard Rock music and like this synth - what do I do?

lates

t-willy

Mr B wrote:

stefancrs wrote: Quote: This is 0% religion and 100% truth I seriously think this thread should be locked again. If Paul cannot keep his personal doctrines out of this discussion it shouldn't be expected of others neither. I could easily by logic disprove that the christian God exists, show that Jesus Christ is not historically proven, and even more easily so prove that we do not have a free will. I doubt that we want to have all of this at kvr. Lock this thread. If people and paul want to discuss this synth, they can start up a clean thread and NOT pull religion in to it. Oops! I came expecting to see some info about Xoxos, but if I may interject...My understanding of freewill based on a biblical perspective is that it is the freedom to choose between life or death, not to do whatever the hell we want. And God will never intervene upon these choices unless asked through prayer. We have complete control over our own destinys, but must make the simple choice (according to the Bible) to either recieve or reject Gods payment for sin, which is Christ's sacrafice on the cross...I hope I have been of some help. Take care. ~ Mr B

Haha, ok, so you really want to go down this road?
This is not in any way directed at Paul, this is just me manifesting my beliefs. I believe in logic. (And cubase. (And tracktion))
Ok, I will only base this upon what the bible says.
First proof:
1) God is all-knowing
2) Hence, he knows what I will do in every possible situation.
3) Because of (2) the whole future is known to God, even if you wouldn't count the future into "all-knowing"
4) Since God knows what I will do, I cannot choose to do any other thing.
Second proof:
1) God is all-mighty
2) Hence, He can, if and whenever he wants to, alter my will and doings to His satisfaction.
3) Because of (3), everything I do and choose is Gods choice. He chooses if I am going to do what I choose or not.

There are more ways to proof this, but it's already quite boring

And, btw, the synth could really kick ass if there were some good UI design work put into it.

And, btw 2, it's not _forbidden_ by the author to use the synth in any kind of religious or anti-religious matter, he just politely asks you / us not to do it.

Gah... I so wish Bill Hicks were alive to pop into this thread...

Christ did not die for anyone's sins. He was executed by the Romans for sedition. He had a legitimate claim to the throne of Jerusalem & was killed before he could lead a full-scale rebillion against the Roman Occupation, but not before having a hand instigating the rebellion that would see Jerusalem destroyed 70+ years later. 'Christ' is greek for 'King', & 'Jesus' is hebrew for 'Royal Claimant'. 'Jesus' is not even the guy's real name!!

What YOU guys believe is all the mumbo-jumbo garbage spit out FOUR centuries later by Constantine to pacify his retarded population. He rubber-stamped the older religion of Mithraism (sun-god worship) with the new trendy christian one & more or less said, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" while even keeping the dates of Mithra's birth intact, as well as his holy day, SUN-day (Jesus' holy day was Saturday..).

The virgin legend was just another fucked up perversion of the Isis myth, with Isis empregnated by a dead Osiris. Regarding the TRUE beginings of christianity, there were over 80 gospels including ones by Jesus himself & Mary Magdalen & the only ones that made it into the bible were the ones that best illustrated how best to dupe a populace ie: You can only find god through the church, so do as we say. Jesus had nothing to do with such a message, he was a Gnosict, if you even know what that is. The true gospels were mostly destroyed in egypt where they were collected, & the true believers labeled Heretics & slaughtered for the next 2,000 years. That's PAUL'S church, not Jesus'!!

But all of this is besides the point, because the 4th century 'christians' pulled off the greatest scam in history. It was so well done that centuries later, the mindless followers of this religion buy every scrap of nonsense fed to them by the bloated leech at thier throat & defend the faith to the end, whether it's down a lion's throat or at the recieving end of a muslim RPG round. The common military term for such individuals is a simple one:

Meat Shield.

Enjoy your afterlife. It's too bad hell does not exist, cause I know quite a few christians that deserve to rot there.

For those this has confused, try reading something else besides the fucking new testament.

about the gui:

While it surely is no beauty, I find it rather easier to program than a lot of those shiny synths out there.
Everything is laid out in a useful and sensible way.

Hey Sickle. Do you have any weblinks or ISBN numbers of books relating to the history that you summarise.

I've read the Hermetica - a brief version - which was quite interesting. Very shocking to find that the Roman Empire were the a cause of the loss of knowledge - Kind of a pre-dark ages dark ages.

I'll post an EXTENSIVE list in the off-topic forum.

@Amberience: I think Ben should apply his new improved rules for the first time with you and ban
you. I'm serious. There is still hope he will.

May I ask why?

If you don't know there's even more reason.

humour me. Why do you think that?

respectfully I must say that I've lost all faith in the moderators. how a thread like this can run into 20 pages with the rubbish I've seen splurted is beyond me.

I've never ever got into flaming, endless debates and never will-too much work to do & mixes to finish. But you know a thread needs to be closed when people start saying they can disprove the existance of God, dissing a man's religion when I think the guy only asked for you not to diss his!

I thought this was KVR not Hyde park corner. Some people have too much time on their hands.Maybe Paul could have made the same point differently but it never warranted this?

Anyway outstanding synth, has encouraged me to finally make the switch from hardware to VST world. My decision is based not solely on this, but it has tipped the balance. Now where to start......

Xander wrote:

VitaminD wrote: unless you want a debate/argument/bash audionerdz for their beliefs on Tibet and Rumpelrausch Täips for their wish that you donate/support environmentalist views and ideals. Well, I'll probably be on your Shitlist, but it's not that simple and your comparison in incorrect. The environmentalists and supporters of Free Tibet do not dis forms of music like Newage and metal and so on, on their websites.

I disagree. Quite simply because its his own personal website.. he can do whatever he wants on it.. its HIS website (meaning he owns the site and can put anything he wants on it)

If I want to put my religious views on a website, I'm free to do it. theres nothing stopping me.. not you, not anyone. and if you dont agree with them, well quite simply you dont have to. you dont even have to go to my website.

notice that the real sourceforge page has nothing on it but just software oriented information. so you dont even have to go to his personal website to download the software.

also.. places like the audionerdz website have statements like "It's really great for your karma!" which is them stating that everyone has karma.. thus they ARE imposing their beliefs on others.. its really no different.

Xander wrote:

What you seem to be suggesting is that someone can post a product on their site, post the link here, then advertise or put offensive words up on it that they know KVRers will all read when we go there.

If having (and stating) a belief is offensive then you HAVE to be having problems living in such a diverse society.

Remember, it is optional to view his website. and above all.. if you disagree with his views.. you have every right to close out the browser pane that has his website and move on with your life.

Xander wrote:

It's the same thing as if I put up a freebie, and then posted on my download page to support Al Queda and the Islamist Movement, or to promote anti-semitism.

If you do that.. then I'd just close out that window and move on with my life.

Xander wrote:

It sucks, it sucked and it still sucks. And yes - christian hatred and violence is right up there with al queda. Read your history. The bottom line is that if you're going to post shit like that then you should expect - and wear - the flack.

I dont have to read my history about violence.. there was nothing violent in pauls message here nor on his own website.

What you are saying that is.. if one doesnt agree with everything they see, they have a right to bitch on about it ad nauseum? get real. there are several thousand religions, viewpoints, and belief systems out there.. are you telling me that whenever you stumble across a website with one of them, you spout off at the developer or other people about it?

the truth of the matter is.. there was no hatred given by paul. You cant judge someone by a history they werent a part of.

And The only hatred and ugliness I saw was the several people here at kvr that decided to post negatively instead of adding contructively about the synth. (which may I remind you was the ONLY thing his initial post covered, meaning that most likely then not he wasnt going to go off on any sort of religious tirade)

I think it would be better in the longrun if you cant agree with his requests on software HE coded, then dont use it.. just turn your eyes to other software and move on. its not like this is the only synth in the world...

Excuse me.. but how can you sit back and paint Paul with the popes gism, and then paint anyone who challeneged him with black devil gism??

Thats just fuckin' rude.

In all seriousness, everyone is allowed an opinion - ill informed they might be, left-wing, right-wing, extremist or off-the-wall .. it doesn't matter.. everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I don't see why this is a big problem for some of you guys?? Some people disagreed with Pauls assumption that New-Age music is unholy, and some people found Paul to be a self righteous twit.

Whats the problem? Did any of us die? Am I going to hell for sharing my opinion? Grow up, you don't have to take everything so literally and offensive.

skank wrote:

I've never ever got into flaming, endless debates and never will-too much work to do & mixes to finish. But you know a thread needs to be closed when people start saying they can disprove the existance of God, dissing a man's religion when I think the guy only asked for you not to diss his!

But you are now part of the very thread - it's invoked a response.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

VitaminD wrote:

Xander wrote: It's the same thing as if I put up a freebie, and then posted on my download page to support Al Queda and the Islamist Movement, or to promote anti-semitism. If you do that.. then I'd just close out that window and move on with my life.

Like you have thus far with this thread, yes?? You don't seem to think that challenging Xander's comments is the same as Xander challenging Paul's comments - Why is that?

There's still hope

OK....I just had to jump in....

It takes conviction and strength to express your beliefs in the face of far too many pages of - I have to say it - hysterical shrieking.

Personally, I am an agnostic, but I admire the fact that Paul still chose to express his position.

I, for one, am neither afraid of - nor threatened by - faith.

If a man holds deep convictions, but is compassionate, charitable, and accepts free will, I can call him a friend.

Plus, the synth is very nice.

jens wrote:

There's still hope

Yes. Hopefully you'll pull your head out of your ass and quit antagonising me.

www.dictionary.com for the meaning of antagonise.

wtf?

i'm not gonna get invlolved in this but seriously this is kvr, if you have these issues to discuss take it to another forum puhleease!

nice synth though, althought the latency is quite annoying. i only flicked through the presets though as the gui looked like a monster

but but but.........heavy metal is against God and Jesus Christ?

lates

t-willy

Amberience wrote:

jens wrote: There's still hope Yes. Hopefully you'll pull your head out of your ass and quit antagonising me. www.dictionary.com for the meaning of antagonise.

You're steadily shitting on the rules which Ben
the initionator and adiministrator of this forum posted whitin the last few days in a thread with the title 'please read-new forum rules'. You are so full of disrespect about every other opinion than your own that it
is a real shame.

T-willy,
in Poland we had stuff like christian death metal
afaik the band was named "Creation of Death", listening to lyrics in context of music gave me a lot of amusement
the guy involved in this band is now one of more succesful musicians in the country with his christian kid's stuff.

michu wrote:

T-willy, in Poland we had stuff like christian death metal afaik the band was named "Creation of Death", listening to lyrics in conctext of music gave me a lot of amusement the guy involved in this band is now one of more succesful musicians in the country with his christian kid's stuff.

really ? now that's got to be interesting to listen to. wonder what the live shows are like?

lates

t-willy

t-willy wrote:

but but but.........heavy metal is against God and Jesus Christ? lates t-willy

It's all actually a plot by the Bavarian Illuminati, in conjunction with the MIBs and the Shadow Government, to stigmatize all forms of music except polkas! Of course, the Area 51 aliens are attempting to counter this plan once they get their allies, the multinational oil companies and cartels, converted to the cause. It remains to be seen if either of these operations can overcome the satellite-broadcast mind control beams, though.



Fer crying out loud people of KVR, if you don't like it, don't use it!

ps. none of this directed at t-willy, it's just a knee-jerk response to this entire thread.

woolyloach wrote:

Fer crying out loud people of KVR, if you don't like it, don't use it! ps. none of this directed at t-willy, it's just a knee-jerk response to this entire thread.

thx for the t-willy disclaimer seriously though, i really like the synth, but don't want to disrespect paul by using it in my music. plus, just a bit sad about the heavy metal against God and Jesus comment, but I really like the synth

lates

t-willy

so let me get this straight. I have to go to church to use this synth?

woolyloach wrote:

t-willy wrote: but but but.........heavy metal is against God and Jesus Christ? lates t-willy It's all actually a plot by the Bavarian Illuminati, in conjunction with the MIBs and the Shadow Government, to stigmatize all forms of music except polkas! Of course, the Area 51 aliens are attempting to counter this plan once they get their allies, the multinational oil companies and cartels, converted to the cause. It remains to be seen if either of these operations can overcome the satellite-broadcast mind control beams, though. Fer crying out loud people of KVR, if you don't like it, don't use it! ps. none of this directed at t-willy, it's just a knee-jerk response to this entire thread.

Actually Paul’s country does have a multitude of big companies moving in at this time – and no doubt causing more agro.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

CypherOne wrote:

so let me get this straight. I have to go to church to use this synth?

where did you read such nonsense?

Even many of Sickle's basic "facts" are filled with errors. A small amount of research will quickly show anyone interested, that his definitions of "Christ" and "Jesus" are incorrect. And technically, "Christ" and "Jesus" aren't Greek and Hebrew for anything; they are English. Constantine lived in the 4th century but that means it was three centurys later.

His doctrines are no better than his research...

I'm really greatful for a "free' synth that has completely polarized the KvR community personally..How do we know that Paul isn't the Devil?? My FAITH suggests to be wary with one bearing gifts, & look at this mess..man against man, arguing over the ineffable..NICE..

Paul, do you happen to have a bi-furcated tail by any chance?

I smell Sulfur & Brimstone.

that's strange, I smell cannabis

Rock wrote:

Even many of Sickle's basic "facts" are filled with errors. A small amount of research will quickly show anyone interested, that his definitions of "Christ" and "Jesus" are incorrect. And technically, "Christ" and "Jesus" aren't Greek and Hebrew for anything; they are English. Constantine lived in the 4th century but that means it was three centurys later. His doctrines are no better than his research...

So lemme get this straight..Jesus spoke ENGLISH? What next, he was white-boy??

You gonna tell me the world is flat next? What about the 7 day creation bullshit?

6 days technically.

Christ = Χριστός ο

No greek word for it, eh?

CypherOne wrote:

6 days technically.

smart ass

lates

t-willy

Ok! I was wrong it probably will need locking

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

j...e...s..u.s (no pun intended)

we are told not to smoke weed, or drive over 30mph
does that mean we don't do it ?

sickle666 wrote:

... You gonna tell me the world is flat next? ...

Actually I think this argument works better for the other side. People believed the world was flat because they had no tangible proof that it is round. People will always argue against what they cannot touch or see.

Why argue about the impossible or unknown when you have no idea what lies ahead?

Topaz, that's precisely the point of my anger; who has any right to suggest to ANYONE what is right or wrong, what to do, what not to do. Especially a church of idealogical thieves. I'll be damned if anyone's gonna suggest I harmonize my existance with thier own nuerosis.

they can suggest what they want

till the world is taken over by mad cults (yes I said cults) we are free to ignore.

sickle666 wrote:

Topaz, that's precisely the point of my anger; who has any right to suggest to ANYONE what is right or wrong, what to do, what not to do. Especially a church of idealogical thieves. I'll be damned if anyone's gonna suggest I harmonize my existance with thier own nueorosis.

[quote="topaz"]they can suggest what they want

till the world is taken over by mad cults (yes I said cults) we are free to ignore.


quote]

heh..didn't that happen about 2,500 years ago??

I never said that Jesus spoke English. I said that "Christ" is an English word, not Greek. Did you not notice that your Greek word has more letters than the word "Christ" does? There is a reason for that. I'll give you a hint, if my English name were "Doof", my Greek friends might call me "Doofus."

As for Jesus speaking English... Umm, I never said that so I don't get your point.

I am an so-called atheist, my parents are as well.
I am not baptized and probably never will be.
I do not believe in the ideology of any religious community.

But from when I was a little child I was taught respect
for any life, tolerance for any opinion that does not
harm others, any freedom as long as it does not cut the freedom of others and things like that which are in fact similar to what christianity teaches.

I have been taught to love every good and beautyful thing in this world.

Educated as I am and with the beliefs that I have
I have no problems with Paul's post, (and his opinion&belief) while Amberience's and Sickle666's reaction to it just make me sick.

tolerance for any opinion that does not
harm others

...

You're a hypocrite. I gave my opinion. It hurt no-one. You attacked me, vis-a-vis, you're a cock.

Spe3D wrote:

Ok! I was wrong it probably will need locking Best regards, Spe3d :O)

"any freedom as long as it does not cut the freedom of others and things like that which are in fact similar to what christianity teaches"

So... you respect any freedom as long as it does not cut the freedom of other people and other things similar to Christianity.

What about the freedom and ideals of Satanism? Paganism? Islam? Judaism?

You're doubley a hypocrite now. You've basically stated that as long as it preaches similar morals to Christianity, then you respect it - But you refuse to respect the fact that I have an opinion and it differs from yours.

Respect?? HA! You do not know the meaning of the word.

Spe3D wrote:

Spe3D wrote: Ok! I was wrong it probably will need locking Best regards, Spe3d :O)

VitaminD wrote:

Xander wrote: VitaminD wrote: unless you want a debate/argument/bash audionerdz for their beliefs on Tibet and Rumpelrausch Täips for their wish that you donate/support environmentalist views and ideals. Well, I'll probably be on your Shitlist, but it's not that simple and your comparison in incorrect. The environmentalists and supporters of Free Tibet do not dis forms of music like Newage and metal and so on, on their websites. I disagree. Quite simply because its his own personal website.. he can do whatever he wants on it.. its HIS website (meaning he owns the site and can put anything he wants on it) If I want to put my religious views on a website, I'm free to do it. theres nothing stopping me.. not you, not anyone. and if you dont agree with them, well quite simply you dont have to. you dont even have to go to my website. notice that the real sourceforge page has nothing on it but just software oriented information. so you dont even have to go to his personal website to download the software. also.. places like the audionerdz website have statements like "It's really great for your karma!" which is them stating that everyone has karma.. thus they ARE imposing their beliefs on others.. its really no different. Xander wrote: What you seem to be suggesting is that someone can post a product on their site, post the link here, then advertise or put offensive words up on it that they know KVRers will all read when we go there. If having (and stating) a belief is offensive then you HAVE to be having problems living in such a diverse society. Remember, it is optional to view his website. and above all.. if you disagree with his views.. you have every right to close out the browser pane that has his website and move on with your life. Xander wrote: It's the same thing as if I put up a freebie, and then posted on my download page to support Al Queda and the Islamist Movement, or to promote anti-semitism. If you do that.. then I'd just close out that window and move on with my life. Xander wrote: It sucks, it sucked and it still sucks. And yes - christian hatred and violence is right up there with al queda. Read your history. The bottom line is that if you're going to post shit like that then you should expect - and wear - the flack. I dont have to read my history about violence.. there was nothing violent in pauls message here nor on his own website. What you are saying that is.. if one doesnt agree with everything they see, they have a right to bitch on about it ad nauseum? get real. there are several thousand religions, viewpoints, and belief systems out there.. are you telling me that whenever you stumble across a website with one of them, you spout off at the developer or other people about it? the truth of the matter is.. there was no hatred given by paul. You cant judge someone by a history they werent a part of. And The only hatred and ugliness I saw was the several people here at kvr that decided to post negatively instead of adding contructively about the synth. (which may I remind you was the ONLY thing his initial post covered, meaning that most likely then not he wasnt going to go off on any sort of religious tirade) I think it would be better in the longrun if you cant agree with his requests on software HE coded, then dont use it.. just turn your eyes to other software and move on. its not like this is the only synth in the world...

Well, it sure seems to be an emotive topic, yeah? I don't think you understood me well - I have agreed with virtually everything you have just restated.

I then also add my opinion. Am I in error?

If you read more carefully what I wrote, you'd see that my point (the part where I say 'Bottom line") was that if you're going to publish statements like that, then you'd better be prepared to take the adverse commentary that will no doubt occur - and has - when people read such.

As well, he absolutely and purposefully intended for us to read those comments, and many did.

Any statement that suggests that you please not use this to create 'certain music' is a dis against that music in every definition. He offended people, including me. He then came back into the thread with a mouthful of newage christian propaganda at a time when many people in this world are getting sick to death of religious-based violence. We do not need this shit.

So what did you expect?

Also, when audionerdz speak of "karma" they don't ask you not to use their products for certain types of music. Asking people to do that is advertising and promoting a patent bias against certain forms of music that many people enjoy - people who buy the poducts advertised here.

In fact, out of the whole genre of Newage and metal, only a tiny fraction of it has any 'Satanic' wording - and most of that is tongue-in-cheek and meant in a lyrical sense, though this kind of lyric and the feeling behind it is obviously lost on some.

He dissed some people's music. They are pissed. Simple.

I am deeply surprised, and a little bit dissappointed, you have taken the "stand" you have, being who you are.

Spe3D wrote:

Spe3D wrote: Spe3D wrote: Ok! I was wrong it probably will need locking Best regards, Spe3d :O)

Vit is not looking at the bigger picture. This had nothing to do with religion originally - I admit its gotten twisted into an argument over Christianity, something I haven't helped to erode - but originally the argument started because someone was offended by the sheer bias that the developer of this plugin promotes.

I do not like being told what music I can not use a plug-in for, and judging by the response, others don't either.

The people who are attacking me a Sickle666 are missing the point completely - Go about your religious beliefs, just don't impose them on me!!

And before you say it, telling me that I should not use his synth for "Satanic Music" (that term still makes me chuckle!!) is an act of imposing his will onto me.

WHERE IS THE MODERATOR
TO CLEAN UP THIS THREAD
FROM THE BLASPHEMIES ?

WE ARE WAITING !!!

If only all synths got this much publicity

22 pages and the bollox continues.....you guys kill me, really, you've made my fuckin day

Amberience wrote:

"any freedom as long as it does not cut the freedom of others and things like that which are in fact similar to what christianity teaches" So... you respect any freedom as long as it does not cut the freedom of other people and other things similar to Christianity. What about the freedom and ideals of Satanism? Paganism? Islam? Judaism? You're doubley a hypocrite now. You've basically stated that as long as it preaches similar morals to Christianity, then you respect it - But you refuse to respect the fact that I have an opinion and it differs from yours. Respect?? HA! You do not know the meaning of the word.

Where did I write a word about your opinion?
I have a problem with that you completely disrespect
the rules of this forum, with that you killed the thread with your continued refusal to stay on-topic
that you try about everything to keep the discussion
alive although Ben asked you todo not ánd that you
keep on insulting Paul, me and several others.
Your posts are full of agression and you have apparently nothing positive to contribute to this community. You behave like an prime example of a bad
and harmful human-being according to my definiton of it.

I always knew Yanni was the devil

jens wrote:

Ben asked you to do not ánd that you keep on insulting Paul, me and several others.

I insulted you in retaliation. I insulted Paul in retaliation. I don't believe I've insulted anyone else, at least they've not voiced it.

Quote:

Your posts are full of agression and you have apparently nothing positive to contribute to this community.

Aparantly you assume quite a lot of aspects about me and how the world works.

Quote:

You behave like an prime example of a bad and harmful human-being according to my definiton of it.

Exactly! Thats been my whole point all along!! YOUR definition.. NOT MINE!!

If Ben private messages me and asks me to stop posting in this thread, I will gladly oblige him. If you want to talk to me like a rational human being instead of a dogmatic self righteous person, then I'm more than willing to apologise for offending you. But it seems all you can do is insult me, I would've hoped you had took my words into consideration rather than just writing them off as anger - That offends me because I actually use my brain to explain things to you... yet you don't comprehend? Maybe you're less evolved... I dunno.

I have watched TV possibly three times since I joined K-v-R and doing all this webbing stuff, as well as the music aspects –

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

Spe3D wrote:

Spe3D wrote: Spe3D wrote: Spe3D wrote: Ok! I was wrong it probably will need locking Best regards, Spe3d :O)

Oh! look

Very highly entertaining that this thread is (it's kept me laughing all night through a quiet shift ) has any of you lot noticed that the VSTi author of this synth has kept quite a dignified silence (he sounds very sensible compared to some of the rubbish written here).

And if those non-believers were worried about evangelical Christians pushing their message to others - they would actually make an awful lot more headway than the silly atheist argument being continued here. And I say this as one of the most confirmed atheists you'll probably ever meet.

On a blind meeting between a Christian who gives a polite request on his own website (and then maintains some dignity when I'm sure he has been tempted to respond to the aggro here) and the petty squabbling offered here - I think I'd rather have a theological discussion with the former, not the latter.

Some people need to make more music I think.

See......you even frightened the poor pussycat.

we 'tempted' him to respond? Is this a re-enactment of Satan on the hill with Jesus? I can't believe all the christian ideaology embedded even in a supossed athiest's comments..heh..GODDAMNIT!!

that feels better..HOLY SHIT!! Better yet..problem here is there's no way any of us are gonna back down, no forum on teh web is gonna elucidate a change of belief in me OR you, so I'm bowing out of this thread for the greater good. NOT the greater GOD.

Later pilgrims.

Quote:

so I'm bowing out of this thread for the greater good.

Sensible.....very sensible, mate.

kritikon wrote:

Quote: so I'm bowing out of this thread for the greater good. Sensible.....very sensible, mate.

but I'm still convinced Paul's in leaugue with The Enemy..

ok, ok, bye now!

lol.. that's hilarious! A cat with a melon hat. It looks like he comes from another planet... lol.. thanks for posting that

something tells me whyterabbyt is trying to convey a message from a higher power

Yeah. Eris told me to do it.

whyterabbyt wrote:

Yeah. Eris told me to do it.

I'm not even going to bother reading all the crap posted after this thread got closed but a few remarks

I thank Ben for opening this thread again

I thank Paul for making a brilliant synth

This thread must go into KvR history as THE thread.. which can't be a coincidence. The sheer brilliance of this synth and the sheer crap people talk here must be, in a mysterious ways, connected

higher forces are at work here unconsciously people are reacting to this instrument because their guts (but unfortunately not their brain) know they've got something special here

if I were a marketing company I'd be contacting Paul to start talks about commercializing this synth because I think it's going to become a pivotal point in the history of computer music which, in general has good commercial value

I hope Paul can separate the shit heads from the humans, the snakes from the cute little puppies () and the people who know fuck all about music from the people who do, and I hope he will continue the development of this brilliant synth

but anyway.. I'm slightly pissed (no surprise probably ) I know now that Kvr is a projection of the real world: you've got the arseholes, the wankers, the intelligent, the forgiving, the morons, the chicken brains, the evil, the dangerous, the French the criminals (without k) the thinkers, the creative.. and the fluffy little animals that go by the name of putte..

..and I'm just enjoying it as I do with the rest of life

oh and..

did i mentioned before that I think Paul made a FUCKING BRILLIANT SYNTH!!!

ok, I'm all better now.

I don't know what the cat with the melon hat means, but it makes me lol.