Hi all

We just got a report today that someone has cracked the demo version of our M42 Nebula synth.:

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Our company, WarezSolution, is a new company mainly focuses on the activities of warez organizations. Recently, we discover one of your software products AlgoMusic M42 Nebula VST v1.0 has been defeated and issued by warez organization. For more detail, please visit the URL below.

EDIT and < BIG SNIP>

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While I find it amazing that our synth was actually GOOD ENOUGH to have someone to take the time to crack it, it is also upsetting and possibly envetable. Most good software does get cracked. We can only depend on our users to actually support it.

All we can ask is for people here to NOT USE the cracked version. M42 Nebula is very reasonable ( $45.00 ) plus you would get the AlgoMusic support if you actually purchased it. Please do not use the cracked version. Thats all we can ask. I am sure thats what any of the DEV's here can ask. It does not actually hit home until it happens to you.

Please support AlgoMusic and all the Devs here by actually purchasing the product. Nothing can replace that feeling inside that you have done the right thing.

'Nuff Said!

TC

I know how you feel Tim.I've had some of my work appear on a Russian Warez site.It's frustrating because you can never get your hands around the necks of those who so need to be choked.You have my sympathy.

EDIT: I'm sending you in a PM the address of the Russian site where my work appeared. The cracked version of Nebula is there as well right under ImpOscar.Don't know if it will help but you may learn more about who cracked it there at least for personal satisfaction.

unfortunately this happens to everything
all i can say is that real users pay for synths

oh man, that makes me sick! and to know imposcar is there as well (well, I'm sure everything else as well)
sick bastards!
I'm sorry Tim.

Well, I just plunked down my $45, not only because M42 is easily worth that much, but also because I owe you at least that much for all the great patches you've released for free. Your Rhino patches in particular were very helpful in flattening its learning curve.

I do think it's largely true that people who trade in cracked software would probably never have considered paying for the real thing in the first place.

I suppose there goes the theory of making software affordable so it won't be cracked.

sorry to hear that tim... its an excellent synth.

I personally will be buying mine on monday (finally)...... yay

I've been playing with the demo for a while and i can resist it no longer . it's my first music purchase in a while (if you don't count my host)

not much consolation to you though....

still one more "real" customer can't hurt

steve

To me, the bigger surprise would be if it wasn't cracked. The good thing is your synth is quite cheap - so some people who use cracks because the price of synths is hopelessly out of reach (say a fm7 or reaktor crack) won't have that excuse and might just buy it.

A public service announcment on why not to use crack.


























Pay for your shit or this'll happen to YOU!!!!

If the illegal patch works on the current demo, why not change your demo by a few bytes just enough to make the crack fail?

Brian

Tim, the bottom line is that there isn't a single thing in the KvR database that one couldn't find a crack to within minutes.

Now that you have been introduced to the warez community, consider it your 'Coming out' party.

Congrats, a cracked version means you're MADE

Welcome to the Big Time, & don't lose sleep over it. Cracked software dies in the HD once the WOW factor wears off. Most of the kids snatching it/passing it around wouldn't have the slightest idea what to even do with the file.

UMM, YO HOW DO EYE GET MY VSTI TO PLAY IN WAV FILEZ, OMG, HOW DO U DLOAD PRESETS I DOUBLECLICK PRESET & NO VIDEOGAME SOUNDS OMG DO U HAVE ATMOSPHERE??

Another day in paradise. Fuck it.

bluedad wrote:

I suppose there goes the theory of making software affordable so it won't be cracked.

It has nothing to do with affordability, it has everything to do with the removal of any obstruction to full functionality. A random tone is more than enough to earn a crack. That's the logic of the hackers.

For what it's worth, I wouldn't doubt if the crack teams came here to keep up on what's hot; YOUR praise of the instrument may have been a deciding factor in cracked M42, as fucked up as that sounds. They may even be reading this thread, so look your best for our silent visitors

sickle666 wrote:

Tim, the bottom line is that there isn't a single thing in the KvR database that one couldn't find a crack to within minutes. Now that you have been introduced to the warez community, consider it your 'Coming out' party. Congrats, a cracked version means you're MADE

Yeah...thats my attitude at this point...and thanks guys for all the support!

Just like if Weird Al does your song: YOU MADE IT!

To be VERY Honest: I used to have some cracked stuff on my HD.But I looked at them as demo's more or less, and never actually used anything in my actual music. But since working with DEV's ( and my HD crash) I took em off, as now I appreciate all the work that goes into this stuff...and I have to tell you..its A LOT of Work! Even the simpleist SE synth might have taken someone months, as it's a learning process.

But right now: theres no reason to have any cracked stuff, as there is so much good freeware and resonabley priced stuff, you can do quite a bit with whats on your drive right now if you fully exploit it. You can do a whole song simply with Synth1, or a Kraklie synth or whatever, and a good cheap host like EnergyXT, Tracktion or TobyBears MiniHost.

TC

blaster78 wrote:

sorry to hear that tim... its an excellent synth. I personally will be buying mine on monday (finally)...... yay I've been playing with the demo for a while and i can resist it no longer . it's my first music purchase in a while (if you don't count my host) not much consolation to you though.... still one more "real" customer can't hurt steve

i think i may have said it in the garden last week but you will not regret it


@tim tsk tsk regards your shady past,but anyway hurry up with the bloody fx version dont let some idiot crackers hold you back i want my fx version NOW!!!!

I've never ever heard of this synth what kinda sound does it have.

Oh man, that sucks. Just another example of why cracking should be punishable by public castration with red-hot piano wire, or maybe something REALLY slow and painful. And I'm trying to be polite here!

xanda123 wrote:

I've never ever heard of this synth what kinda sound does it have.

What?? HOLY NEBULA!
Star hope on over to http://www.algomusic.nl and find out. You can download the demo on the downloads page, and listen to MP3's on the product page. You can even download the manual.

Basically the sound is: space, ...and more space... and a little more space...PADS< RYMS< SEQ< LEADS< BASS<SFX<, ect. It was inspired by Klaus Shutze's Totem piece. It has some algorithmic elements as well. There was a HUGE thread here on KvR for a long time. I also did 256 presets for it ( had to mention that)


http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41334&sid=e6867c86c4eefe8 38f89db13122aab49

You can also read user reviews here on the QuickList section here at KvR.


Have Fun!

TC

Well... this is very sad......
i am in the same situation..... my NBM-Grenade Synth wich is not that famous and that dont even have a copy protection appears in some warez sites as "Cracked by [put idiot name here]"
the consequence..... hummmm...... fuck! my website is offline now.... I simply dont have any more money to pay it......as I wasent selling that much......after the crack appeared I selled NONE.... arGH!
its sad.....
just one thing man.... update your demo.... change a fucking line in it ( so the crack wont work anymore )
cheers

it's awesome..... one of the best synth i have heard....... ever.

demo then buy, you won't regret it

mine on monday

[bad joke mode] perhaps i should download the OMGLOLWTF!!1!! wares version[/bad joke mode]

steve.

blaster78 wrote:

it's awesome..... one of the best synth i have heard....... ever. demo then buy, you won't regret it mine on monday [bad joke mode] perhaps i should download the OMGLOLWTF!!1!! wares version[/bad joke mode] steve.

Chekov: That was a little joke sir
Spock: Extremly little Ensign
( Trouble with Tribbles)

Jokes aside Thanks for the comments...you will like it! It would be great to hear any tunes you do using it on the Cafe.I have been enjoying the ones so far there. Great stuff!After all, it's about making Music.

BTW: the DR made a good joke: he said maybe we should put this news ( about the cracked version) on our news section on the site :-)Good advertisment

TC

fx version please


howsabout you let me beta test and as asoon as you say yes to that i will move ??$ to your paypal account,so basically beta testing means i get it early
i have stuff i need it for
give it to me
now

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BTW: the DR made a good joke: he said maybe we should put this news ( about the cracked version) on our news section on the site :-)Good advertisment

It's been cracked so it must be good.......

you could pay an ad agency £1000's for that campaign

any publicity is good publicity

steve.

as i already said... demo, then purchase (and every so often bouce down a couple of loops) then buy.

ps. tim, are you going to do any more crystal presets? i use in probably 50% of all tracks (especially the lotr ones) and would be happy to donate via paypal or something)

cheers

steve

ps. this is an excellent synth..... buy now

pps. goto go, gf is pissed off i'm messing about with this "computer stuff" while spinal tap is on

edit: this synth goes to 11 !!

I think that most people have covered what I would have said: no matter how big or small you are someone will crackyour software. Ignore it tim, it's just not worth the effort.

I, like many others (yourself included), have used cracked software. This was some time ago, before I knew what this really meant (as in, to the people who develop software, not what warez are). These days I feel very much a part of this community and I realise that it's MY money that pushes things forward and if I don't invest in the people who create these amazing synths, effects and hosts then the scene will fall apart.

I am ashamed to have used warez. I do not use any software that isn't either paid for or free anymore. I also now try to give as much to this community as I receive, which is bloody difficult being as you are such a generous lot! I feel for you tim, I really do but don't let it get you down.

blaster78 wrote:

as i already said... demo, then purchase (and every so often bouce down a couple of loops) then buy. ps. tim, are you going to do any more crystal presets? i use in probably 50% of all tracks (especially the lotr ones) and would be happy to donate via paypal or something) cheers steve:

yeah...I may...BUT I DID...BUT...You will have to get Receptor ( Muse Reseach) to hear them, as I used Crystal quite a bit in multi-patches.

But someday I do plan to go back to my "roots" and do another Crystal Bank. Perhaps when Glenn does the update

TC

receptor........

i would need to win the lottery.....

budget for synth/music etc. is currently less that the gf spend on eyeshadow

Hope you do some more crystal stuff..... only really getting to grip with the beast myself (sf and everything)

quite, the best free synth ever....

cheers,

steve.

ps. m42 is cool

vurt wrote:

fx version please howsabout you let me beta test and as asoon as you say yes to that i will move ??$ to your paypal account,so basically beta testing means i get it early i have stuff i need it for give it to me now

Boy..you are a persistant little Vurt, are'nt ya! Once we get the FX version going...you will be the first to know!

I the meantime: try the Antares Filter Demo...I did quite a few presets in there too!

TC

im only persistent when i know something will be good and i want it

blaster78 wrote:

receptor........ i would need to win the lottery..... budget for synth/music etc. is currently less that the gf spend on eyeshadow Hope you do some more crystal stuff..... only really getting to grip with the beast myself (sf and everything) quite, the best free synth ever.... cheers, steve. ps. m42 is cool

I would agree on Crystal: but I just got thru with some Wheel Of Fortune presets: check 'em out...and WOF is free too! See the thread I posted.

TC

have already......


just downloaded earlier today....will get some use tomorrow.

tc makes good patches

Cheers,

Steve.

Like eveyone else I must say that sucks! I dont understand that mindset...I mean Im broke and so I dont own a single comercial VST...but I do get alot of use playing with freeware VSTs! There are plenty of good free ones out there to mess with...why rip off the developers of pay ones? Grrr...just dont understand?

hey steve do the words "tap girl penis friend scissors spinal" in any order mean anything to you

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budget for synth/music etc. is currently less that the gf spend on eyeshadow

I have been with my wife when she buys makeup.
a pack of gum and a few tiny little odd shaped objects and it's $90!!

yeah.....

but the laptop's on my knee now and she is on my left arm.....


so i can still type.....


you guys are f**king up my life

[deb says]not yet but i will do.....[/deb says]

steve (and deb)

hey deb did he get back in one piece last weekend?
after the naked table dancing and the limbo efforts he was pulling we were a little worried but the strippers said theyd give him a lift as they lived near you

[steve says] don't need that shit john [/steve says]

[deb says] tell more [/deb says]

steve (and deb)

ps. john you're a bastahrd......and you scream like one

[/deb says] just had that one explained - not till after holidays (first emoticon)[/deb says]

ps. respect to vurtessa and minivurt for the lift sunday

only jokin with ya deb,he was very resectable he even ate brocolli and stilton soup.see not really a rowdy bash at all,and as he says my wife who certainly isnt a stripper dropped him at the station
you should come along next time,it might not be as boring as it seems

she may come to the southport do.

although she'd probably be bored

[deb says]I'd love to john, perhaps i should even join kvr, no musical talent to speak of, .... an hour into this film and steve's wtached non of it..... it must be good

would you like to get together for a meal sometime[/deb says]

deb like vurtessa (or at least what she's heard)

steve.

have a good time all of the time.....

about the only line i picked up from the film (this time)

steve.

yeah meals are cool but no spaghetti
not with my beard


well arrange something

now go and watch the film well be here tomorrow

film finshed

deb not bothered

now euro highlights

[deb says] now he starts watching[/deb says]

steve (and deb)

ps. deb is going to sign up to k-v-r

tim, I would remove the URL in your post if I were you

if you look closely and follow the link on the 'report' page you posted, it appears that they are selling the crack for $3, and accept PayPal.

Now, why they would email YOU about this is beyond me

but it sure doesn't look like a very legit service

good luck and best wishes

think we need a kvr widows forum setup
it seems all our loved ones are joining up so they can spend time with us

my little lad cant wait till hes 13 and he can spend some time with his dad on kvr

why 13 ?

k-v-r widows

{deb says] absoloutly..... why do men like computers so much[/deb says]

they (not just women) don't get it do they ?

steve.

NO SHIT!!

That is sooo fucked up! The link to the company's website is a dead end..this is very intresting. And the 'patch' link takes you to paypal..

Tim, time to get in touch with an authority.

That page won't be there much longer, I guarantee it.

hmm..check this out:

http://www.warezsolution.com/home.htm

This company's site is so vanilla looking, I could make that page site myself in like 20 minutes. What it appears to be to me is a way for the crack teams to make extra money. They crack an app & then get paid to let you know they did it...wow.

That company looks shady like a motherf*cker..

Bought M42 a little while back - haven't used it much yet but was initially very impressed by it's sound - great for spacey ambient pads. Will use it soon when I need these types of sounds.

If you can't afford it - don't nick it.

I can't afford a new car - but I ain't gonna nick one.

Most of the VST stuff is so cheap. There is so much good free stuff out there aswell. These thieves are ruining it for everyone else. Don't they feel bad about taking from someone that has put a lot of time and effort into what they are stealing? Don't they realise that if you steal this software then those who produce it don't get paid? If they don't get paid then they can't afford to produce it.

bluedad wrote:

I suppose there goes the theory of making software affordable so it won't be cracked.

That went out the window a long time ago! I remember reading in cm magazine that Nuton Softwares Tuner vst was cracked...and it only costs' something like 8 or 9 dollars. stoopid fucks!

I'm sure that Nebula has been passed around and posted with the reg code before this. Most things have. The thing is, there are people who know a good thing when they see/hear it, and still a good number of them will happily pay. There is nothing you can do about the other people.

I've seen my albums on russian and a number of other eastern-based sites. Nothing I can do about it. Gonna happen. Best not to think/worry about it. The web just is that way. But thankfully, there are still people who buy them.

What's worse than someone simply posting the software/album is when an illegal site charges a nominal fee for downloading access. I find it much more annoying when the piracy is also a commercial endeavour

sickle666 wrote:

Tim, the bottom line is that there isn't a single thing in the KvR database that one couldn't find a crack to within minutes. Now that you have been introduced to the warez community, consider it your 'Coming out' party. Congrats, a cracked version means you're MADE Welcome to the Big Time, & don't lose sleep over it. Cracked software dies in the HD once the WOW factor wears off. Most of the kids snatching it/passing it around wouldn't have the slightest idea what to even do with the file. UMM, YO HOW DO EYE GET MY VSTI TO PLAY IN WAV FILEZ, OMG, HOW DO U DLOAD PRESETS I DOUBLECLICK PRESET & NO VIDEOGAME SOUNDS OMG DO U HAVE ATMOSPHERE?? Another day in paradise. Fuck it.

Acually, some of the kids that find and/or make cracked copies are using it for the love/fun of the game.

It's no more or less controverial than trying to find cracked copies of their favorite video games (read : EA Sports).

TotcProductions wrote:

I remember reading in cm magazine that Nuton Softwares Tuner vst was cracked...and it only costs' something like 8 or 9 dollars. stoopid fucks!

Yup, and the next day--even though I still prefer my good ol' analog tuner--I bought Nuton's VST. Pret' good. It's one of only 3 music production purchases (not counting CM cover discs)-- along with Tracktion and eXT.



There are many many other VST I would love to buy... some by ConcreteFX (Dicer, esp), Rhino, BFD (or similar), Green Machine II, etc. etc. etc. But I still get by on freeware because I can't afford to indulge myself and I refuse to use warez. And I think there are many like me out there.

Greg

Lunch Money wrote:

TotcProductions wrote: I remember reading in cm magazine that Nuton Softwares Tuner vst was cracked...and it only costs' something like 8 or 9 dollars. stoopid fucks! Yup, and the next day--even though I still prefer my good ol' analog tuner--I bought Nuton's VST. Pret' good. It's one of only 3 music production purchases (not counting CM cover discs)-- along with Tracktion and eXT. There are many many other VST I would love to buy... some by ConcreteFX (Dicer, esp), Rhino, BFD (or similar), Green Machine II, etc. etc. etc. But I still get by on freeware because I can't afford to indulge myself and I refuse to use warez. And I think there are many like me out there. Greg

I bought it too. But i bought it cuz i'm a plug-in slut.

tconrardy wrote:

Hi all We just got a report today that someone has cracked the demo version of our M42 Nebula synth.: ==================================== Our company, WarezSolution, is a new company mainly focuses on the activities of warez organizations. Recently, we discover one of your software products AlgoMusic M42 Nebula VST v1.0 has been defeated and issued by warez organization. For more detail, please visit the URL below. EDIT and < BIG SNIP> ===================================== While I find it amazing that our synth was actually GOOD ENOUGH to have someone to take the time to crack it, it is also upsetting and possibly envetable. Most good software does get cracked. We can only depend on our users to actually support it. All we can ask is for people here to NOT USE the cracked version. M42 Nebula is very reasonable ( $45.00 ) plus you would get the AlgoMusic support if you actually purchased it. Please do not use the cracked version. Thats all we can ask. I am sure thats what any of the DEV's here can ask. It does not actually hit home until it happens to you. Please support AlgoMusic and all the Devs here by actually purchasing the product. Nothing can replace that feeling inside that you have done the right thing. 'Nuff Said! TC

Bump.

I really want this synth. Money on it's way.

Tim and Dr. Ambient, I am sorry to hear about the crack. Grrr...

Wonder if we're coming to the time when something like PGP will be needed to authenticate to commercial apps...

Take it from me Tim, the demo of M42 has me frothing. I make avante garde electronica, and M42 is going to be a good addition to my rig.

I will buy it soon.

Don't lose heart. People who use warez are usually twobit bedroom trance wannabe producers who have no talent nor brains.

Fuck em!

Amberience wrote:

Take it from me Tim, the demo of M42 has me frothing. I make avante garde electronica, and M42 is going to be a good addition to my rig. I will buy it soon. Don't lose heart.

Yeah: M42 was based on a pretty advant guard piece / artist at the time: Mr Klaus Shutze ( heck...he's still regarded as avante garde probably:-) and his Totem album. Thats a whole side of an album that I can play forever! Please post any Pieces ( in the cafe) , as I would love to hear your work.

TC

Hi Dr. & Tim

My CDs have been and probably are on pirat sites,
mostly Russian sites, sometimes Asian.

To shut them down is quite easy !

Enter the site name into a "route tracer",
http://www.visualware.com/personal/index.html
then you get all the info needed.
Provider, web hosting, etc.
All nessesary email adresses are there.

Simply send an email about the abuse with the link to the
provider and/or web host.
They are gone very quickly.

But apear a bit later somewere else again.
Its a race we can not win but slow down and disturb.

Cheers
Midiworks

P.S. Those bastards just released one of my CDs...
No need for those fuc*ing
wxw.warezsolution.com/home.htm
to find that out myself in 5 seconds.
Every company that puts down $98 for that crap,
deserves to be punished.

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This company's site is so vanilla looking, I could make that page site myself in like 20 minutes. What it appears to be to me is a way for the crack teams to make extra money. They crack an app & then get paid to let you know they did it...wow. That company looks shady like a motherf*cker..

I can only agree !!!

sickle666 wrote:

Most of the kids snatching it/passing it around wouldn't have the slightest idea what to even do with the file. UMM, YO HOW DO EYE GET MY VSTI TO PLAY IN WAV FILEZ, OMG, HOW DO U DLOAD PRESETS I DOUBLECLICK PRESET & NO VIDEOGAME SOUNDS OMG DO U HAVE ATMOSPHERE??

Amberience wrote:

Don't lose heart. People who use warez are usually twobit bedroom trance wannabe producers who have no talent nor brains.

Riiiiiight. I know very talented and respected musicians (releasing records on real record labels) who use cracked software. I know mixing engineers who definately know how to program a synth using warez as well. Obviously using cracked software is morally reprehensible, but please ditch those puerile stereotypes.

I'm proud to say, I actually managed to break a rather good musician of his warez habit. Didn't moralize, just lead by example.

Him: "But surely you didn't pay for Windows?"
Me: "Well, actually, no, it came with the PC."

Anyway, there's a number of companies who regularly use this site who are in the money as a consequence.

M42 is still on my shopping list. Will buy it after my salary comes.

You can take this cracking as some kind of award for making excellent soft synth. Crackers dont bother to waste time for bad software.

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P.S. Those bastards just released one of my CDs... No need for those fuc*ing wxw.warezsolution.com/home.htm to find that out myself in 5 seconds. Every company that puts down $98 for that crap, deserves to be punished.

Don't post warez links dude....even if it's to prove a point. posting the links just gives them more advertisement.

TotcProductions wrote:

Quote: P.S. Those bastards just released one of my CDs... No need for those fuc*ing to find that out myself in 5 seconds. Every company that puts down $98 for that crap, deserves to be punished. Don't post warez links dude....even if it's to prove a point. posting the links just gives them more advertisement.

now it's in your post too man . See how I cut it out of your quote?

The next synth I buy will be M42. It's the kind of thing I was searching for ages

To crack it really sucks. And they don't do it just for fun...

If software dev is a way of making a living, those guys are screwing themselves for the future. Sad, sad, sad...

Sickle666 wrote:

now it's in your post too man

Thanx

tconrardy wrote:

Please post any Pieces ( in the cafe) , as I would love to hear your work. TC

Sure thing!

Klaus Schutze ... The Dark Side Of The Moog .. classic!

Of course, you know what would be dreadful? If some poor, twisted developers, angry at how their livelihood is being chipped away by these hacker f*ckers started writing their own cracks for their own software...

These cracks would look just like the ones on warez sites, would have similar names, would even be the same size in bytes, but... and here's the awful bit... after cracking your demo, they might start to randomly delete drivers, or registry entries, or system files or pretty much everything until, before long, your computer is so unstable it's useless. Of course, if this happened to someone after trying out a crack, that person would be free to write a strongly-worded email of complaint to the warez site they got it from, and maybe even ask sternly for some compensation for their trashed computer. I'm sure they'd receive a prompt, courteous and professional reply...

I think if these "cracks" started ending up on various warez sites, word would get round pretty quickly not to attempt cracking the demo of A, B or C, as there are far too many 'poisoned' cracks doing the rounds and they all look and act like the real deal.

Now, I couldn't possibly condone this sort of action, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two angry developers started to do this (not for themselves, of course, but maybe for each other?)

I really wouldn't be surprised at all...

Philip

philip wrote:

Of course, you know what would be dreadful? If some poor, twisted developers, angry at how their livelihood is being chipped away by these hacker f*ckers started writing their own cracks for their own software... These cracks would look just like the ones on warez sites, would have similar names, would even be the same size in bytes, but... and here's the awful bit... after cracking your demo, they might start to randomly delete drivers, or registry entries, or system files or pretty much everything until, before long, your computer is so unstable it's useless. Of course, if this happened to someone after trying out a crack, that person would be free to write a strongly-worded email of complaint to the warez site they got it from, and maybe even ask sternly for some compensation for their trashed computer. I'm sure they'd receive a prompt, courteous and professional reply... I think if these "cracks" started ending up on various warez sites, word would get round pretty quickly not to attempt cracking the demo of A, B or C, as there are far too many 'poisoned' cracks doing the rounds and they all look and act like the real deal. Now, I couldn't possibly condone this sort of action, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two angry developers started to do this (not for themselves, of course, but maybe for each other?) I really wouldn't be surprised at all... Philip

I've seen them before in the past. It's been done, but not enough to make it truly prohibitive, & the false cracks/trojans are quickly isolated by the warez community. A few years back when I was still a shit, I had a folder dedicated to nothing but trojan cracks as a quarantine house.

Amberience wrote:

Klaus Schutze ... The Dark Side Of The Moog .. classic!

Ooh, listening to it right now... But it's not all Schülze - don't forget Pete Namlook!

As someone who has had software pirated I sympathize. I wrote my PvC (Peavey PC1600x Editor/Librarian) and sell it for a meager $29.95 AND EVEN OFFER TO GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE for anyone who needs it and can't afford it (and have given away several copies to date).

One day I receive an email telling me where to find the warez'd copy of mine - along with notification of the credit card charge that was reversed to some poor elderly woman in West Virginia)

Here's what I did though:

Of course I don't have the means to fight it - so I informed several LARGE companies (EMagic as one) who also had their software on the offending site - they forwarded the information to their Legal parties and the site was gone within two days.

Now I know it doesn't stop it, and the site my PvC was on was in Germany (not Russia) but the big dogs go after the ISPs moreso than the site owners to shut things down. In this day of P2P that also doesn't work as well, but it somehow made me feel better

In the end, yes you have to take the view that you're honored to have been wared M42 is on my list of near-future purchases as well

visa tapani wrote:

Amberience wrote: Klaus Schutze ... The Dark Side Of The Moog .. classic! Ooh, listening to it right now... But it's not all Schülze - don't forget Pete Namlook!

Oh Boy, the Name of this great ambient Producer is KLAUS SCHULZE - NOT Schülze or Schutze damnit!!!

j/k

mon0 wrote:

visa tapani wrote: Amberience wrote: Klaus Schutze ... The Dark Side Of The Moog .. classic! Ooh, listening to it right now... But it's not all Schülze - don't forget Pete Namlook! Oh Boy, the Name of this great ambient Producer is KLAUS SCHULZE - NOT Schülze or Schutze damnit!!! j/k

OH BOY INDEED! Thanks for the correction. I was WAY OFF! I think I have to handwrite that on the chalkboard ( if I can find one) 220 times so I can get it right!

TC

i just picked up the June issue of Future Music. Their focus is on the hardware/software combos like Creamware and such. And one reason is these hybrid solutions offer some copy protection.

The kicker -- "One developer I spoke to claimed that thyere may be as many as 400 pirated copies of some packages for every one copy sold, so somethiong has to be done or this ever-softening industry will be brought to its knees." Andy Jones Senior editor Future Music

sorry state

wrench45us wrote:

The kicker -- "One developer I spoke to claimed that thyere may be as many as 400 pirated copies of some packages for every one copy sold, so somethiong has to be done or this ever-softening industry will be brought to its knees." Andy Jones Senior editor Future Music

Does anyone have any hard evidence to support these kinds of statistics? It seems like it would be pretty difficult to accurately gauge the impact of piracy.

mon0 wrote:

Oh Boy, the Name of this great ambient Producer is KLAUS SCHULZE - NOT Schülze or Schutze damnit!!! j/k

Ahh, take it easy. I'm positive I've seen it written as Schülze as well.

But come on.
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BTW: Do you need to write it in capitals to get it right?

wrench45us wrote:

i just picked up the June issue of Future Music. Their focus is on the hardware/software combos like Creamware and such. And one reason is these hybrid solutions offer some copy protection. The kicker -- "One developer I spoke to claimed that thyere may be as many as 400 pirated copies of some packages for every one copy sold, so somethiong has to be done or this ever-softening industry will be brought to its knees." Andy Jones Senior editor Future Music sorry state

fuck! thats insane! so for every 3 legit users theres
1200 illlegit users i know im going to a phantasy world but for one second lets just imagine a world with out wares im looking into my crystal ball and this is what i see...150 other soft synths and 600 fx and 15 new music programs.that are there because of no more wares and lots of money coming in for new development and tempting new developers causing an even bigger expansion of growth. everybody going legit because a new form of software protection has posed imposible to crack. and freware programs on the ever expansion because not everybody can afford to pay for there software and rather then not make music at all enjoy the growing amount of exelent freeware being developed at an exuberant rate and... well... we can dream and someday itjust may happenjust this way. but you know andi know that it wont.as long as theres scumm sucking crackers out there cracking softwre faster then it can even be developed andupdate to the next version the war will rage on...

i think there should be more aggression to warez users. they are not harmless, they poison everything. and always when they post there is this painfully trollish thread.

also more "viral" devices would be good. deliberate release of f**ked up versions of synths. synths that still function but use huge amounts of CPU, or flood the system with useless midi info.

they should be good enough to be OK, but annoying. this might also uncover warez users because people will post questions asking about midi troubles or cpu spikes

you must fight fire with fire.

Cabinfever wrote:

also more "viral" devices would be good. deliberate release of f**ked up versions of synths. synths that still function but use huge amounts of CPU, or flood the system with useless midi info.

I think this will just encourage them. I think we all might as well admit that there will always be thieves in the world and the best way to deter them is to educate people about their cost to developers, the industry, and, in the end, themselves.

education

visa tapani wrote:

mon0 wrote: Oh Boy, the Name of this great ambient Producer is KLAUS SCHULZE - NOT Schülze or Schutze damnit!!! j/k Ahh, take it easy. I'm positive I've seen it written as Schülze as well. But come on. uüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüu üuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuü uüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüu üuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuüuü. BTW: Do you need to write it in capitals to get it right?

j/k means just kiddin. So dont take it to hard my friend

I'm against cracking and using cracked software!!!
But this issue needs a more intelligent way of reflection than this on kvr and maybe other boards like this.
The criminals are those who crack software and distribute it.
The criminals are those who use cracked software to sell their music.

If you can follow this the estimated numbers of warez-users is meanless and imo, wrong. The audio industry had the same way of counting. Now they slowly begin to realise how wrong and self-destroying it was. They took the numbers of sold CD-ROMs to take this as evidence for the value of piration - how stupid can top-rated, ( and -paid! )managers be???!!! Universal started with intelligent behavior just now.

It's like a modern witch-hunt: Everyone in a group of people pretends to be the prototype of an "honorable gentleman" ( or Lady, of course )that never ever did something wrong or criminal, and beat on others and feel so right, clean and political correct.
Statistically is this impossible!!!

What I want to say with the former sentences is that there are not that much warez-users as told and, finally, who cares?
If someone who sits in slums whereever on this world and makes his day with playing around with cracked software, who cares? He or she never would buy any application because there's no money at all! So this one does not take away anything of the software-developers, because the licenced copies are on their places, didn't they?

There are ways to lower pirating:
Give up copy protection for getting
lower prices.
Make your software stable to show your users you take them seriously. ( I heard that some cracked vstis make less problems than the licenced ones! )
Think about it, if you can and want to.

thats bollocks thorau, everyone has heard that tired crackhead apologist crap before

but then everyone has also heard the anti-crackhead crap too

thats why i say to distribute just slightly f**ked up versions to annoy the crack users. peak that cpu every few minutes, drop a few notes here and there, be just ever so slightly out of tune every day or so make the crackheads worry a bit and ask stupid questions, then we can all have a laugh

Also, many of the users of cracked software that would have never been creating music if it wasn't for those illegal software, get addicted and eventually buy the original software. Especially when they make some money out of it.
So, if you see it from another point of view, piracy is creating a boom for the vst industry.

there was an idea that some of the devs get together to do a group check for warez copies.

(1) I everyone else can get their hands on warez, then so can the devs.

(2) The devs can analyse the cracked copies and identify a signature.

(3) The new release of, say Z3ta+ could check for warez versions of all known rgc, linplug, camelaudio and refx cracks (for example) and fail if it finds any one of them.

I thought it was an idea that had some merit and could be made workable.

some poor misguided fool wrote:

So, if you see it from another point of view, piracy is creating a boom for the vst industry.

that's patently bollocks. that's what demos are for.

hitman8081 wrote:

wrench45us wrote: i just picked up the June issue of Future Music. Their focus is on the hardware/software combos like Creamware and such. And one reason is these hybrid solutions offer some copy protection. The kicker -- "One developer I spoke to claimed that thyere may be as many as 400 pirated copies of some packages for every one copy sold, so somethiong has to be done or this ever-softening industry will be brought to its knees." Andy Jones Senior editor Future Music sorry state fuck! thats insane! so for every 3 legit users theres 1200 illlegit users ...

These kind of statistics remind me of RIAA scare tactics lobbying... How do they know how many pirated copies are out there? Hire a company to call random homes during suppertime and do a 'warez' survey? Or better yet, bribe a warez group to add a tracker trojan to their release, thats 'calls home' to update them on total warez use?

I'm sure there are many warez users for every legit user, but those stats are just PR talk.

Cabinfever wrote:

i think there should be more aggression to warez users. they are not harmless, they poison everything. and always when they post there is this painfully trollish thread. also more "viral" devices would be good. deliberate release of f**ked up versions of synths. synths that still function but use huge amounts of CPU, or flood the system with useless midi info. they should be good enough to be OK, but annoying. this might also uncover warez users because people will post questions asking about midi troubles or cpu spikes you must fight fire with fire.

you, as a matter of fact, suggest fighting forest fire with a lighter.
you must consider some facts first: the people who make warez do not make a great (if any) amount of money for it, but have to get the software somewhere, have to release it somehow, and they also risk a lot by doing this. cracking is mostly done because of the fun factor, the challenge behind all that protection code, a sense of adventure, and of course, to be a better cracker than the rest. so, if better protection is made, it will attract more crackers. and that thing about adding viral code - it will not help. some of the releases already had those issues, and were solved within few days, so it is not that much of a hassle. i am really sorry about that and feel with developers who make so much great stuff, but that's the way life unfortunately is.

I'm not sure you're right, Floyd.
This came from a developer, remember.

Devs are in the position of knowing exactly how many copies they have sold of a particular plugin.
All you have to do is release a nice new set of free patches and see how many downloads you get. That'll give you a small percentage of the number of warez users out there (i.e. the number who (a) found out about the free patches and (b) bothered to download them)
I guarantee that most devs have had an experience like this and would confirm that the number of patch downloads far exceeds the number of legitimate licenses sold.

kuniklo wrote:

Cabinfever wrote: also more "viral" devices would be good. deliberate release of f**ked up versions of synths. synths that still function but use huge amounts of CPU, or flood the system with useless midi info. I think this will just encourage them. I think we all might as well admit that there will always be thieves in the world and the best way to deter them is to educate people about their cost to developers, the industry, and, in the end, themselves.

I agree. I'm what you'd call a rehabilitated warez user. I will not deny that I used to use it - a: as a way to discover new stuff and b: because at the time I could not afford software.

Nowadays I can afford software so I buy it. Now I've seen peoples sharelist on various p2p programs, and you wouldn't believe the amount of crap people keep!!

You ever seen those tramps that walk down the street with a trolley full of cans? How about the neighbourhood scummy family, with their sacks of garbage on the front lawn ??

Well warez sharers are the internet equivalent. I mean cmon! These people date their share lists as if its some kind of trophy to their ego!!

"oooh... look at me, I've got every audio program available from 1999-2004."

Retards.

Now I don't condone theft, and I am ashamed that I used warez to discover software, but if I hadn't I probably would've ended up wasting money on programs that were no good to me.

I use demo's now.

Cabinfever wrote:

thats bollocks thorau, everyone has heard that tired crackhead apologist crap before

heh, say what you want, but you have to admit that it makes some sense.

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thats why i say to distribute just slightly f**ked up versions to annoy the crack users. peak that cpu every few minutes, drop a few notes here and there, be just ever so slightly out of tune every day or so make the crackheads worry a bit and ask stupid questions, then we can all have a laugh

you don't get it really. and how will you distribute both versions? "please, cracker mister, don't get the regular version and crack it, get the f***ed up version and crack that one. pleease." this form of protection you suggest was already tried, and guess what - it was cracked.
most of the crackers come from post-communist countries, where there was very little (or none at all) private property, and it was not respected as it is respected in capitallist countries. it is mostly a matter of education of the generation which is now making cracks. so, the best way to deal with this is to wait for this generation to die

Everything dies with time. Cracking will die. Fake-democracy will die. Crap fast-food chains will die too.

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most of the crackers come from post-communist countries, where there was very little (or none at all) private property, and it was not respected as it is respected in capitallist countries. it is mostly a matter of education of the generation which is now making cracks. so, the best way to deal with this is to wait for this generation to die

erm,
maybe average salary in those countries has got to with it too.

coincidentaly i am too waiting for me to die

scuzzphut wrote:

I'm not sure you're right, Floyd. This came from a developer, remember. Devs are in the position of knowing exactly how many copies they have sold of a particular plugin. All you have to do is release a nice new set of free patches and see how many downloads you get. That'll give you a small percentage of the number of warez users out there (i.e. the number who (a) found out about the free patches and (b) bothered to download them) I guarantee that most devs have had an experience like this and would confirm that the number of patch downloads far exceeds the number of legitimate licenses sold.

Good idea, scuzzphut. However, this assumes that the free patchs can't be loaded in a demo. In the majority of synth demos can load patchs afaik.

Amberience wrote:

Everything dies with time. Cracking will die. Fake-democracy will die. Crap fast-food chains will die too.

cracking will never die, just like rock (some of the people say ).
and crap fast food chains won't too, unfortunately .....

good point - concede

you can see what I'm trying to say, though - I'll wager that the majority of devs have a very good estimation of the scale of piracy of their products.

Actually, I seem to recall reading some pretty intelligent stuff on the subject by Angus (apologies to Angus if I've misattributed perfectly sane remarks) wherein he said:

a) The ratio of patch downloads to purchases is startlingly high.
b) So is the ratio of sequencer sales to controller sales.

And no, no-one knows exactly how much warezing is going on, but the truth is that the indicators people know about suggest that its endemic.

Think of it a different way, if only twice as many people bought softsynth products, that would translate into something like 8 times on the bottom line (4 times for box manufacturers). That sort of money could easily pay for, say, a decent mathematician and a decent assembly coder for every manufacturer. Or just plain better pay for the existing guys, which might help recruitment...

h.vox wrote:

cracking will never die, just like rock (some of the people say ). and crap fast food chains won't too, unfortunately .....

Both will once Bush does us all a favour and vapourises the planet ;P

Anyway, staying on topic... this synth is so cheap that anyone who uses the crack as an alternative to buying it is a complete and utter cockshit and needs turning into a prison slut.

h.vox wrote:

most of the crackers come from post-communist countries

As a reformed warez user from a post-communict country, I must admit that most cracked softwares I had in 1998-2000 originated from 'teams' obviously situated in well-doing 'old democtacies' (judging by language, pricing details etc in the info files). And don't forget that in order to crack some expensive software like Cubase, Reason, NI products etc one has to buy it in the first place. Not so many people here can pay some $500+ just to share it on the net to show off. Also, most of those programs which sell boxed are just not available here through dealers--if you wanna buy 'em you have to order online, and this means you gotta have a credit card, which still is not such a frequent thing in an economy where most wages are payed in cash to avoid tax authorities. There's a wide distribution of cracked software in these places, true (although I'm hearing from my more 'liberal' musician friends that it's much harder to buy a warez CD in Moscow than it was 2 or 3 years ago due to anti-piracy raids and other measures taken by the authorities to stop counterfeiting), but the cracks themselves are hardly of local origin.

I think Cakewalk, Voxengo and GMediaMusic set a good example for other companies in dealing with piracy. The formula seems to be:

1. Offer downloadable demos of all your software that are functional enough to give potential customers a very good idea of how well the product works for them.

2. Sell your product for a very reasonable price.

3. Use a simple and unobtrusive protection scheme that doesn't punish your honest customers.

4. Offer great support and treat your customers like you care about them. Maintain a friendly public face on company forums and forums like kvr.

Consequently, I'd bet that the ratio of pirated to legitimate copies of Sonar and the Voxengo plugs is lower than it is for many other companies.

Contrast this with companies like Waves and Steinberg that charge top dollar for their products, don't offer a reasonable demo (in the case of Steinberg) or use copy protection schemes so invasive that paying customers will sometimes used cracked versions to avoid the hassles. I suspect the ratio of crack users to paying customers for companies like these is much higher.

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AlgoMusic M42 Nebula cracked

Hmmm. From what I hear so are the developers.

Robert

litteape wrote:

(MOD EDIT - i think youre right gary)

nice one,.

you LOVE Odo's unknown synth, but you think synthedit is Junk./

litteape wrote:

(MOD EDIT - and again ... )

litteape wrote:

(MOD EDIT - last one i hope)

Don´t mind him....trollin´ for posts seem to be an overly common thing as of late

Most cracks are done in America. They are sold overseas for low prices. The cracks do not happen there as much. There have been 2 cracking groups with caught persons. Paradox and Oxygen. They both based from california with some in sweden. They both since start up again.

Rabid wrote:

Quote: AlgoMusic M42 Nebula cracked Hmmm. From what I hear so are the developers. Robert

YOUR ABSOLUTLY RIGHT!

TC

How's the FX plug coming, Tim?

How does this thread go again?

Warez must be stopped.
CP is crap.
CP is the answer.
Nothing will ever stop warez.
You are a warez user.
No I'm not!
Warez users should be shot.
I fucked your mother.
MOD: Now! Now! Peeps!
Sorry!
No, I'm sorry!
Let's share without shouting.
I love KVR!
The End!



(sleek usully adds to this list later on.)

sickle666 wrote:

How's the FX plug coming, Tim?

well...we are now starting to work on it again. Had some legal issues to attend to.

BTW: due to this, we put all the extras ( the new SF2 bank and the FXB that goes with it) for Registered users only. So they are now off the main download page with a note to that effect.

So if you want 20 samples and an extra 128 sounds...you have to pay your $45.00 :-)Not much really.

And Munchkin: THATS ABOUT RIGHT!

TC

tconrardy wrote:

sickle666 wrote: How's the FX plug coming, Tim? well...we are now starting to work on it again. Had some legal issues to attend to. BTW: due to this, we put all the extras ( the new SF2 bank and the FXB that goes with it) for Registered users only. So they are now off the main download page with a note to that effect. So if you want 20 samples and an extra 128 sounds...you have to pay your $45.00 :-)Not much really. And Munchkin: THATS ABOUT RIGHT! TC

Does M42 play soundfonts too?

I didn't quite understand the extra soundfont and extra .fxb. When I tried them with the demo, while I could access the extra sounds in the sf2 by changing bank, it didn't seem any of them were used in the presets. And the extra .fxb seemed identical to the factory bank too. Missed something maybe?

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[quote="aMUSEd Does M42 play soundfonts too?

Well...sort of..its not a SF2 player per say. You can replace the SF2 that is there with one of your own, ( and we kept it open that way on purpose, just in case if someone is a Vienna master) but then the factory sounds would not sound right. We created a pretty good SF2 that covers a lot of different areas, which you can minipulate with the M42 modulations. Thats where the real magic is.The DR is a wizard at the Veinna

TC
[/quote]

ahh, I see I probably just downloaded the factory bank, and that the extra sounds are in another preset bank.

Well if the new bank is near as good as the factory, I'm seriously considering m42. Just have to decide whether I want the Ravity deal first.

floyd wrote:

I didn't quite understand the extra soundfont and extra .fxb. When I tried them with the demo, while I could access the extra sounds in the sf2 by changing bank, it didn't seem any of them were used in the presets. And the extra .fxb seemed identical to the factory bank too. Missed something maybe?

Very stange. The new bank ( TC_M42_2.fxb ) has many different sounds especially SEQ patches. However, it may be a version ID number issue. They DO work with the full version however...and now only registered users can have that

anybody else have this issue ( before the download was taken off?) ..may not matter anymore however

TC

floyd wrote:

ahh, I see I probably just downloaded the factory bank, and that the extra sounds are in another preset bank. Well if the new bank is near as good as the factory, I'm seriously considering m42. Just have to decide whether I want the Ravity deal first.

To be honest..I think a lot of the patches in bank 2 are better, mostly because I was starting to understand the instrument a bit better and experimented some more. Especially on the SEQ and RYM patches!

TC

both banks are pretty damn good ...

yeppers the sounds are pretty damn good
but hurry up with the fx version

i just wanna run lesax through it