A question for people who use Drumatic...

How do you use Drumatic?

It seems that most of the people launch Drumatic just for one sound most of the time.
So using a whole instance of Drumatic just for a kick would be a waste of CPU and screen.

Maybe a drum synth with just 1 sound would be a great idea then... of corse then there will be much more space for more controls and options then there are now.

Regards,
PJ

well I use Drumatic a lot, but I don't generally use it for just one sound actually...

anyway there exsists, for example, a plug in just for kicks, it's in FL Studio, called Fruity Kick.

I ask this because i got many requests for a such VSTi.

Yep, I use drumatic's kick for it's bootiness and punch to supplement sampled hihats and synthetic percussion from Attack.

IMO dedicated drum sound modules would make a lot of sense. I prefer to keep different drum sound on separete tracks, and they're processed separetely... I find sharing instances/routing outputs is a somewhat old-fashioned in VST environment.

I'd definitely like to try the e-phonic kickomatic!

why not?

if you made a seperate module for each sound (kick, snare, hh, etc.) with more controls, i'd be VERY happy.

i mostly use 2 or 3 sounds (kick, snare, clap) ......... isn't it possible to just put an on/off button for each sound to save CPU cycles?

Olaf

HI

Maybe put a little (16 pads minimum!) step sequencer in there with midi output as well - there would be plenty of room for it (I assume) and this is a feature that would be VERY usefull for creativity.

Flipper.

...the magic words "more control and options" made me already anticipate this.

(please make it )

@olafmol (alles ok daar )

Sure it's possible.
But when having dedicated modules for each sound there's more room for controls on the screen.
And you could still create a full drumsynth out of these modules when using Chainer for example.

PJ

of course it would be a good idea; however, using different modules wouldn't imply a higher cpu use??

In Fl Studio I can enable multiple channelling and so I am able to send the kick, snare, hat etc to different channels.

but the module idea would be great if it doesn't increase the cpu use, i guess.

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...the magic words "more control and options" made me already anticipate this. (please make it )

Well, if i make anything, i want it to have more control then Drumatic 2.
I just need to find the best way... drum module or drum synth.
I think the best thing is to have both

PJ

Hey PJ.

You could always code it up as a DR-008 / Drum Nine module - drop me a mail & I'll send over the SDK. It's really pretty easy to port a (C++) VST to a DR-008 module.

Best regards,
Angus.

we can still use the early version to use the complete kit and the separate modules to control one single instance to the fullest.

Go for it

I think it would be a good idea.
Specialized modules with more controls would be nice.

Angus_FX wrote:

You could always code it up as a DR-008 / Drum Nine module - drop me a mail & I'll send over the SDK. It's really pretty easy to port a (C++) VST to a DR-008 module.

that would be just great!

Angus_FX wrote:

Hey PJ. You could always code it up as a DR-008 / Drum Nine module - drop me a mail & I'll send over the SDK. It's really pretty easy to port a (C++) VST to a DR-008 module.

Seeing as dr008 is my drum workhorse.. yesyesyes!
Having a couple drummatic modules to load into cells there would be SO awesome!

Hmmm...and for those who do not use dr008?

Hey PJ,

like original flipper mentioned, a step sequencer would be awesome... but not with only a kick, all the drum parts in drumatc but with a sequencer as well.

Right now I'm usings stepchild and drumatic to do drum parts, and it's sort of klunky.

elp...

hmmm.. i never got the clue of a step sequencer when using a VSTi in a sequencer already. On hardware it's clear but... For me it's just as easy and fast to use i.e. Cubase as (step) sequencer. It has the same (plus more) options.

I really like Drumatic VE, I use it a lot
when I need a quick & handy drum sound.
But in the final mix I usally replace some
of the sounds for samples or other drumsynths.
I sometimes use the kick of Drumatic 2, I
think having sounds separately would be great,
but having a complete drummachine makes
initial work faster.
Could we have the 2 options?
If you code the sounds of Drumatic 2 and
Drumatic VE to modules for DR-008 will be
great, in that case I gonna buy DR-008
only to combine Drumatic and samples.

xRAVENx wrote:

Angus_FX wrote: Hey PJ. You could always code it up as a DR-008 / Drum Nine module - drop me a mail & I'll send over the SDK. It's really pretty easy to port a (C++) VST to a DR-008 module. Seeing as dr008 is my drum workhorse.. yesyesyes! Having a couple drummatic modules to load into cells there would be SO awesome!

Drummatic was my most used instrument for electrnic drums, until I bought DR-008. Using it from within DR-008 will be truly amazing, as I like to keep my plugin count as low as possible, but really miss that killer kick.

I'd definitely use one a lot.

This may sound funny, I'm not trying to be ironic or pick a fight with synth designers, but for me, options kill creativity.

Going off topic a bit here, what I meant to say was, yeah, e-phonic, cool idea. For difficult people like me, who always want something else, less sounds means more music.

[edited for excessive use of the word "me"]

don't know if i've ingratiated myself too far, but y'all noticed that i have a series of individual synth percussion vsti?

http://www.xoxos.net

e-phonic wrote:

A question for people who use Drumatic... How do you use Drumatic? It seems that most of the people launch Drumatic just for one sound most of the time. So using a whole instance of Drumatic just for a kick would be a waste of CPU and screen. Maybe a drum synth with just 1 sound would be a great idea then... of corse then there will be much more space for more controls and options then there are now. Regards, PJ

I use it a lot and really appreciate your work.

If I were to ask for something in addition to D2, I'd say it needs to have the option to load 4 or more additional sounds via samples. These would need to be multi-samples, so perhaps you could make it load LM4 format since there is a freeware editor for that. Orion's little sampler does that and it makes it so easy to grab some cymbals or snares from the DKFH disc or whatever and add it to the song without having to load up Battery for just a small set of sounds.

Why? Because I like to use synthesized kick and snare a lot, the hi-hats less so, and the toms almost never. So it would be great to be able to load up a few additional sounds and have it all show up in the pattern at the same time. It helps me tremendously to be able to quickly see how the parts are in relation to each other. D2 is its own self contained thing and yet has that nice multi-out which allows me to see each part but also keep it on its own channel for individual EQ.

Another nice addition would be to give us some controls over how velocity affects various parameter like filters. It would make hi-hat variations all the more fun and creative. I don't want to emulate real drums so much as emulate real dynamics and variation on the sounds.

btw, I used D2 for this new song of mine. I thought the kick and snare sounded great, and there is some use of the other sounds, too. And due to the ease of use of D2, I was able to maintain the patience to work through all those little fills and variation.

http://www.futurehaus.com/dubfantasy/Silver_Roses.mp3

Well, the concept of Drumatic will remail synthesis only. So i won't introduce sample based sounds.

I have in mind to create 4 identical sounds that are so flexible that you can create kicks, snares, toms, claves, rims, zaps. Of corse these will all have better quality and diversity then the sounds have now.

So you can have 2 kicks and 2 snares... or 1 kick a snare and 2 toms... and so on.

AND i'm thinking of a dedicated hihat and clap section.

When i have this done, it should be easy to release a 1 sound version of it too.

PJ

Hi PJ,

You might run in to some problems with this scenario if using SE to make these new bits.

I made a drumsynth with SE with 8 voices with identical parameters, so each voice can do most electronic percussion sounds. I had the idea of having a second version with just one voice, but the problem is that SE won't allow you to save individual patches per container, so patches made with the uni-drum version will not be compatible with the 8-drum version.

Not the end of the world, but you might get a lot of emails asking for the feature even though your hands are tied.

Cheers,
Steve

Most of the time I use Drumatic I use at least snare, kick, hihats. But sometimes just the kick.

I would prefer a GUI with all elements visible, but maybe you could do a paged GUI similar to attack - where selecting a sound gives you a whole page of parameters? (that was a poor description, other attack users feel free to help )

I would also prefer specialized modules, preferably with the ability to modulate various parameters with keytracking/velocity (and not just pitch)

Even cooler would be the ability to assign the note (or range of notes) on a per module basis.

I feel the toms and hihats would most benefit from individual modules with more room for more controls, as they were always the first thing I'd replace with a sample/other synth

ps-xoxos your stuff is great, do you still have the .se1 files for all of those? (thinking it would be fun to add more modulation options)

I make most of my drum tracks with Drumatic, the whole thing: kick, snare, tom, hihats... Of course more controls would be welcome.

And by the way, sometime ago I posted a thread that nobody answer, about the routing channels: it routes everything to the two first channels selected (on the top), what makes the routing options quite pointless. It would be a good idea to fix it or just stick to the good old two channels option.

Thanks once again for a great VSTi.

I use it more as a percussion unit than a full blown drum machine. It goes under my drum tracks as a kind of detail layer.

I think individual modules would be a great idea!
I've been thinking about doing somthing similar with Cerebrum and Minimal, to have more drum modules without having to make the GUI larger and increase the cpu...I remember xoxos's drum modules, at the time I was using Logic audio and couldn't use them like I wanted to, but now with eXT, seperate modules can be routed alot easier, working like DR-008, like a modular drum machine.

Hi:
I have to add that I hate the all purpuose
modules. I think if you want to make a Bass Drum
you need a module that have controls suited
for Bass Drum, and most important the range
of this controls have to fall in a usable
range for Bass Drums.
When I try Attack I hate the fact that you
have an almost perfect Bass Drum, only need
some pitch tweak, and suddenly you get a
High Tom
Thats the reason I like so much Drumatic VE, not for the emulation of the TRs, I like it
because the Bass Drum module makes Bass Drums,
the Snare modules makes Snares, and so on.
Thanks for you work.

PJ, I have used your excellent plug many times. Very often I end up not using the strandard presets, but rather a combination of the sounds from various presets. Eg if I like snare from preset 1 and bass from preset 5, I'll create a new preset with the sounds tweak the same way and then tweak it or finetune it further. I still like having drumatic as a single plugin the way it is. To suit my preferences it would have been nice to be able to save presets of individual drums / modules and then import or load them into a mixed own preset.

Thanks again for making such a great plug. The above comment is made just because you asked and surely not as a critisism against what I regard as a wonderfull gift to us all.

I'd like kick and hihats module if God intends it [big smiley here].

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To suit my preferences it would have been nice to be able to save presets of individual drums / modules and then import or load them into a mixed own preset.

That will be a very hard thing to do in SynthEdit.
But having a single sound module, you can load up any sound you'd like.

PJ

Whenever I load drumatic, I use at least the bassdrum, the snaredrum and the hihats. In my opinion, there's no need for individual modules, coz there are individual outputs already. Just waiting for the next update for even more flexible sounds.

hi e-phonic
thanks for this nice plugie
your plugin does not use cpu
and it`s not a big GUI


Odo

sebo wrote:

Thats the reason I like so much Drumatic VE, not for the emulation of the TRs, I like it [...]

hm. i've looked for Drumatic VE at e-phonic.com, but i only see a link to Drumatic 2.2. there, although i do see several splendid vsts there listed. am i just blind or is it not available for dl?

Hi,

I think individual sound drum synths would be great. Think about how nice it would be to be able to have a single percussion sound that you can turn into rhythmic monster with paramter modulation, or vary genrly over time. Seems a moe "clean" way to dea lwith individual sounds, by seperating them out.

It opens up the synth to being more than just a plain Kick or a plain Hat.

I am definately in favour of this idea, in fact i had thoughts about trying to do one myself in synthedit, cos i registered a few months back and haven't got started yet!

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hm. i've looked for Drumatic VE at e-phonic.com, but i only see a link to Drumatic 2.2. there, although i do see several splendid vsts there listed. am i just blind or is it not available for dl?

No you're not blind.
Drumatic VE isn't available any more due to it's unstability.
Drumatic VE was an old project i finished a while back... but it crashes way to much.
I rather stick some time in a new synth then debugging this oldy

Regards,
PJ

Ok, some demo mp3's:

All sounds come from a seperate VSTi.
It's one and the same VSTi that produces these wide range of sounds....

So, here's a screenshot.
http://www.e-phonic.com/images/drumatic_module.jpg

And here are the mp3's:

http://www.e-phonic.com/mp3/Beat1.mp3
http://www.e-phonic.com/mp3/Beat2.mp3
http://www.e-phonic.com/mp3/Beat3.mp3

Regards,
PJ

that envelope on the screeny - that isn´t done with SE?, is it?

It is
You can now also create GUI objects with the SynthEdit SDK.

So...when can we download it? :->

That's looking pretty good, PJ..

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That's looking pretty good, PJ..

Well the GUI isn't finished yet... but more important... how does it SOUND?

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So...when can we download it? :->

Not yet, i need to think a bit more on what to release exactly; Just a module or a whole drum kit... maybe both.
Then make a better GUI, then test, then presets.
Then i will release a beta.

PJ

My only suggestion is that I would like some lfos. We can always twirl the dials on the fly, but lfos allow for subtle variations over time.

e-phonic wrote:

Well the GUI isn't finished yet... but more important... how does it SOUND?

My fault there. When I say 'looks' I really mean 'sounds'

The snares sound great, real snappy in your face. The noise mixing is great.

Hell, all of it sounds good, even the bells. All those came from this one module?

[lfo option sounds good to me as well.]

Hey, the Bassdrum & Snare sounds really great.
The HHs sounds a little harsh to my taste
(like the Drumatic 2 HHs). I prefer smooth
analog Hats. But since the sounds are separated
in modules, I could use only Bass & Snare

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The HHs sounds a little harsh to my taste

Yes, that's true... i just created all these sounds from 1 module. So, it's flexible enough to create a kick or hihats from this one module.
But there will be dedicated modules for hihats and claps.
This is just an pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha sound demo

PJ

that jpg looks yummy and even better then I'd have expected

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that jpg looks yummy

I'm already working on a improved gui... it will look a whole lot better then that.

Just listened to the mp3's and checked out the screenshot. Very nice, PJ. I love the punchy snare in the first demo, and also the 808:ish snare in the third.

I'm curious about your thoughts about realtime tweakability. No one would be surprised if different note-velocity would affect the amplitude of the instrument, and likewise with higher note -> higher pitch. But what about pitch-bend and modulation-CC? Will it be possible to tweak the parameters realtime via, say, modulation-wheel or similar - or is this more of a VST-host-matter?

It would be cool to change the overall speed of f.ex. tone amp-envelope with the modulation-wheel.

I still have to think about what should respond to automation and CC.
But the overall speed and depth of the envelopes will have automation for sure.

Those mp3's sounded freaky hot!!



Would it be possible for the dedicated hihatmodule to create hihats sounding almost real? I liked the hihats in mp3 1 and two, but would it be possible to make them even more real? Something like the energy of the 909 open hihat, but not that hihat .. something new

Maybe this is already possible with any standard synth, maybe i need to study synthesis more ..

The 909 hats where samples... so that's pretty hard to emulate by synthesis.
But the hihats will sound more real then in Drumatic 2.... i hope

hi e-phonic
very nice
Odo.

A little update... i'm building the 'full-instrument' version at the moment. Progress is going pretty well.

Not sure when this version will be released exactly. I still need to test, tweak, debug and build presets.

Regards,
PJ

Geez... This is looking sooo good.

The demos sound very promising!

You are truly impressive.

wow, as a permanent user of drumatic 2.2, ill keep this one not far from my eyes.... seems excellent, loks excellent, and sounds rather good!

I like Drumatic 2.2 mucho grande, but this one... ooooh maaan . This one's gonna rock... errr Industrial rather . I have nothing much to suggest, due to it's obvious perfection of colours and controls, and I have no doubts about it's sound, but someone suggested lfo's, having a syncable lfo per sound would be very nice so we could put it on diff parameters like filter and pan, or modulation, or decay... wooow, this could be a monster drum machine.

Cheers.

auuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

(howling as a sign of amazement!!)

Drumatic is my favourite drumsynth, I use ir more often than any other.

that new version seems...it makes me drool!

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having a syncable lfo per sound would be very nice so we could put it on diff parameters like filter and pan, or modulation, or decay...

That's not implemented at the moment.
I firts want to finish it like i have it in mind... there's always room for additions in the future.

PJ