I'm not a guitar player, so my playing skills are based on using keyboard to trigger notes/chords. After testing a few of the guitar plugins and soundfonts, I found RealGuitar to be the most realistic to my ears. I even played it to a friend who is a guitar player. He was very impressed and told me that sound was realistic but every chord is "strummed down", while a real guitar player performs with struming down-and-up. So, my questions is there a way to do that with RealGuitar plugin? I really can't figure it out from its controls, probably cause I don't know much about the real guitar anyway. Is there a control parameter that needs to be set/automated, or do you need a special midi pattern for that (I'm running FL Studio)?

Thanks for your help!!!

It is definitely more flexible than Virtual Guitarist, but do you think it sounds more realistic than Virtual Guitarist?

JeffN

jeffn1 wrote:

It is definitely more flexible than Virtual Guitarist, but do you think it sounds more realistic than Virtual Guitarist? JeffN

I guess its all up to a personal preference. To my ears, it sounds more realistic than VG, plus you hear these additional noises that makes it very authentic. But, how the hell do you make it strum up and down?

Hm, that's odd. My understanding is that RG derives from, and improves upon, Rhythm 'n' Chords. RnC does regular, muted, and top-strings-only strums, either up or down. I've never used RG itself, so I couldn't say how it handles this.

Try Musiclab's support. If they don't show up on this thread, they'll certainly answer you in email.

Best of luck,

Meffy

From RG's site:

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Performance: Solo, Harmony, Bass&Chord, Bass&Pick, and Chords modes 1000 instant guitar chords + up strum, down strum, up/down muted strum, slow strum chords

the manual describes it pretty simple. there are different "zones" on your midikeaboard. for playing notes/chords and other zones for up stroke. downstroke, and muted up and down stroke. play the chord hold the keys and stroke up and down with the strumm keys...

Meffy wrote:

Hm, that's odd. My understanding is that RG derives from, and improves upon, Rhythm 'n' Chords. RnC does regular, muted, and top-strings-only strums, either up or down. I've never used RG itself, so I couldn't say how it handles this. Try Musiclab's support. If they don't show up on this thread, they'll certainly answer you in email. Best of luck, Meffy

Hmm, I guess I missed that part about RnC. I through it was just a stand alone program (or as a native plugin for Cakewalk or Cubase VST only) to generate midi notes for chords. I was thinking that RG VSTi can be controlled from my piano-roll. That's why I thought that maybe that RnC generates some kind of an additional midi control data for strumming up-and-down. I will have to download RnC demo as well. I was just hoping I can use RG alone as VSTi plugin to control from FLS piano roll Anybody else using it this way?

[decipher] wrote:

the manual describes it pretty simple. there are different "zones" on your midikeaboard. for playing notes/chords and other zones for up stroke. downstroke, and muted up and down stroke. play the chord hold the keys and stroke up and down with the strumm keys...

You mean I have to read manual? Well, so much for trying to figure it out on my own

twister wrote:

Hmm, I guess I missed that part about RnC. I through it was just a stand alone program (or as a native plugin for Cakewalk or Cubase VST only) to generate midi notes for chords.

I explained it badly, sorry. I believe RG combines an RnC-type strum maker with guitar synth (sampler?). If you have RG you shouldn't need RnC, unless I've missed something. And yes, it's a DX MIDI plug-in, not as generally useful as RG.

Once the strum is made, it should just be a series of MIDI notes, like any others. Using RnC I can apply chord changes to a series of rhythmic patterns to get a whole strummed/picked line, or play it via keyboard as [decipher] says. I'd guess RG is similar but again, can't tell you for real.

Check the manual, give support an email, and you should be in good shape (without having to by anything else).

Meffy

Sounds good, thanks for the help! Now, if I can only find a piano plugin/ROMpler that will sound good to my ears as well

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Sounds good, thanks for the help! Now, if I can only find a piano plugin/ROMpler that will sound good to my ears as well

I think its easier to find a realistic piano than guitar, but there are plenty of threads on this topic for you to check out.

JeffN

Meffy

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If you have RG you shouldn't need RnC, unless I've missed something.

Where RG and RnC converge / diverge is roughly like this:

RnC contains lots of pre-patterned strums and picks, and lets you define custom chord shapes (excellent this). But it makes no sound. It needs a sample set, and it only works in VST and Cakewalk / Sonar. Not SX. But you can export your RnC generated midi songs into SX and work from there.

The full library works out expensive, and if you're serious, you need it.

RG lets you play solo, chord strums and picks to exactly the rhythm you play on your keyboard. It also has a capo, responds to midi changes v well, and has some excellent guitar sample sets. It also has quite a few performance enhancing options that are v useful for obtaining near-realistic performances. And it works in SX etc.

RG owners can buy additional midi clips with all the RnC strums built into them, but this adds $50-$100 to the cost. And it doesn't have a proper preview browser which makes clip selection a tedious drag'n'drop affair.

OTOH VG, while sounding v good and is super easy, only comes with a limited number of set piece picks and strums. It's far less flexible, so it's easy to get bored with it after a while. But what it does, it does extremely well.

If you liked VG you'd prob need to buy both versions for max satisfaction.

twister,

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But, how the hell do you make it strum up and down?

When you launch RealGuitar your MIDI keyboard is virtually devided into zones: Main zone for entering chords and Repeat zones (left and right) for performing up/down strums and muted strums of the chord played in the Main zone.

When you play chords in the Main zone RealGuitar performs down strum for every chord.

To perform up strum you have to press any upstrum key of the Repeat zone (C5, E5, G5, or B5 perform upstrum of the chord played in the Main zone, while D5, F5, A5, C6 perform downstrums).

So after playing the chord in the Main zone you can alternate up and down strums of this chord using any pair of neigbour white keys of the Repeat zone.

To perform muted strums press black keys of the Repeat zone (C#, D#, F#, G#, A#).

Hope that helps.

Sergey_MusicLab wrote:

twister, Quote: But, how the hell do you make it strum up and down? When you launch RealGuitar your MIDI keyboard is virtually devided into zones: Main zone for entering chords and Repeat zones (left and right) for performing up/down strums and muted strums of the chord played in the Main zone. When you play chords in the Main zone RealGuitar performs down strum for every chord. To perform up strum you have to press any upstrum key of the Repeat zone (C5, E5, G5, or B5 perform upstrum of the chord played in the Main zone, while D5, F5, A5, C6 perform downstrums). So after playing the chord in the Main zone you can alternate up and down strums of this chord using any pair of neigbour white keys of the Repeat zone. To perform muted strums press black keys of the Repeat zone (C#, D#, F#, G#, A#). Hope that helps.

Sergey, i might just ask you here instead.. When ordering, do i need to buy the shipped cd? Im on 10Mbit

I don't play guitar so this vsti really helps . I was surprized how good it sounds. Well worth the cash.

Lovin it.

Mush

Crackbaby,

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When ordering, do i need to buy the shipped cd?

No, you can download the RealGuitar installer (180MB)
on purchase.