I wasn't going to buy any synths this month but for the price in the group buy I couldn't resist..

Wusik station sounds bloody awesome!!!!

suits me very nicely for some reason..
I really have been using/buying the wrong synths before.. it's been a costly journey, only to end up having cheaper synth as my favourites
first Kubik and now Wusikstation

but anyway great synths

he he, I bought it too, but it doesn't do much for me but I haven't delved very deep with it. It's interesting hearing others views - for example I just cannot get anything of worth out of Cameleon 5000 yet loads of people are mad about it - but for me it's like "oh good, another wibbly pad, how exciting". My problem lately is time, so I end up going back to what I know (which is why all my tracks sound the same... )

I tried the Wusikstation demo that came with CM a short while ago and was left non-plussed
I really don't like the name, either (not that that has enything to do with the sound )

When I get Atmosphere for Christmas, I don't think that there's anything else I'm going to need

Each to his/her/its own, eh ?

Buy the Second Wave addon...

It's got TC's presets (and mine) - that's worth the asking price

CypherOne wrote:

he he, I bought it too, but it doesn't do much for me but I haven't delved very deep with it. It's interesting hearing others views - for example I just cannot get anything of worth out of Cameleon 5000 yet loads of people are mad about it - but for me it's like "oh good, another wibbly pad, how exciting". My problem lately is time, so I end up going back to what I know (which is why all my tracks sound the same... )

I have the exact same problem with Cameleon 5000.. it's a great synth, I love what you can do with it but I can't make it sound the way I want it to. I guess it's timbre is just not what I'm looking for

I might put it up for sale one of these days

püRe wrote:

Buy the Second Wave addon... It's got TC's presets (and mine) - that's worth the asking price

hmm.. didn't the group buy mention anything about that? can I get it at a different price too?

spaceman wrote:

CypherOne wrote: he he, I bought it too, but it doesn't do much for me but I haven't delved very deep with it. It's interesting hearing others views - for example I just cannot get anything of worth out of Cameleon 5000 yet loads of people are mad about it - but for me it's like "oh good, another wibbly pad, how exciting". My problem lately is time, so I end up going back to what I know (which is why all my tracks sound the same... ) I have the exact same problem with Cameleon 5000.. it's a great synth, I love what you can do with it but I can't make it sound the way I want it to. I guess it's timbre is just not what I'm looking for I might put it up for sale one of these days

I was thinking exactly the same, do you wanna swap?

spaceman wrote:

CypherOne wrote: he he, I bought it too, but it doesn't do much for me but I haven't delved very deep with it. It's interesting hearing others views - for example I just cannot get anything of worth out of Cameleon 5000 yet loads of people are mad about it - but for me it's like "oh good, another wibbly pad, how exciting". My problem lately is time, so I end up going back to what I know (which is why all my tracks sound the same... ) I have the exact same problem with Cameleon 5000.. it's a great synth, I love what you can do with it but I can't make it sound the way I want it to. I guess it's timbre is just not what I'm looking for I might put it up for sale one of these days

thank god there are people who share my opinion

püRe wrote:

Buy the Second Wave addon... It's got TC's presets (and mine) - that's worth the asking price

I thought the second wave add on was full of clarinets and flutes etc...am I wrong?

No offence to Tim (I'm not familiar with your work), but that'll be more wibbly pads then?

püRe wrote:

spaceman wrote: CypherOne wrote: he he, I bought it too, but it doesn't do much for me but I haven't delved very deep with it. It's interesting hearing others views - for example I just cannot get anything of worth out of Cameleon 5000 yet loads of people are mad about it - but for me it's like "oh good, another wibbly pad, how exciting". My problem lately is time, so I end up going back to what I know (which is why all my tracks sound the same... ) I have the exact same problem with Cameleon 5000.. it's a great synth, I love what you can do with it but I can't make it sound the way I want it to. I guess it's timbre is just not what I'm looking for I might put it up for sale one of these days thank god there are people who share my opinion

it's got a harshness -admittedly quite characteristic for additive synthesis- I can't get rid off

spaceman wrote:

I have the exact same problem with Cameleon 5000.. it's a great synth, I love what you can do with it but I can't make it sound the way I want it to. I guess it's timbre is just not what I'm looking for I might put it up for sale one of these days

I got cameleon in the group buy..I'd not been excited with it, but thought with the good price and the raves, that I'd find a use for it. Or at least get into it and figure out what the fuss was about.
I've not got that far yet.
but wusick, yes, and kubick.
(not knocking cameleon either. I love tc's patches, and mcliths organ sounds..but I always wonder why not use my b4, or a sample set.. I mean..resynthesis? I don't get it!)

CypherOne wrote:

püRe wrote: Buy the Second Wave addon... It's got TC's presets (and mine) - that's worth the asking price I thought the second wave add on was full of clarinets and flutes etc...am I wrong? No offence to Tim (I'm not familiar with your work), but that'll be more wibbly pads then?

probably very wibbly yes with some wobbly and some womble too

CypherOne wrote:

püRe wrote: Buy the Second Wave addon... It's got TC's presets (and mine) - that's worth the asking price I thought the second wave add on was full of clarinets and flutes etc...am I wrong? No offence to Tim (I'm not familiar with your work), but that'll be more wibbly pads then?

flutes? not really...it's tons of samples - synths, organs, pianos, basses, sfx, etc...

Yes, mostly wibbly pads and SEQ/RYM patches...

püRe wrote:

CypherOne wrote: püRe wrote: Buy the Second Wave addon... It's got TC's presets (and mine) - that's worth the asking price I thought the second wave add on was full of clarinets and flutes etc...am I wrong? No offence to Tim (I'm not familiar with your work), but that'll be more wibbly pads then? flutes? not really...it's tons of samples - synths, organs, pianos, basses, sfx, etc... Yes, mostly wibbly pads and SEQ/RYM patches...

thanks, I'm sold then, I'll save the cash

spaceman wrote:

püRe wrote: spaceman wrote: CypherOne wrote: he he, I bought it too, but it doesn't do much for me but I haven't delved very deep with it. It's interesting hearing others views - for example I just cannot get anything of worth out of Cameleon 5000 yet loads of people are mad about it - but for me it's like "oh good, another wibbly pad, how exciting". My problem lately is time, so I end up going back to what I know (which is why all my tracks sound the same... ) I have the exact same problem with Cameleon 5000.. it's a great synth, I love what you can do with it but I can't make it sound the way I want it to. I guess it's timbre is just not what I'm looking for I might put it up for sale one of these days thank god there are people who share my opinion it's got a harshness -admittedly quite characteristic for additive synthesis- I can't get rid off

well, I have compared it a bit with Neuron (from all the raving, I'd guess it would be near to it sound-wise) and nothing - CA5000 still sounded harsher/colder compared to Neuron (which is funny really, since they are both resynthesis)...

Wusikstation is damn good value, ain't it?

I'm another one that it has really impressed. I expected a fairly prissy, limp-wristed sound from it, but was taken aback at the powerful sounds it can do. Yep, it does the wibbly stuff, but it does wibbly with balls. Wobbly balls are OK too. As for Wombles with balls......don't want to go there.....

Although I can see how it's not to everyone's tastes.

And I've not even really sat down to a 2-day getting-into-the-details session with it yet. So far, I've just scratched the surface, but I know it'll do an awful lot of the sounds I hear in my head. Hmmmmmmm...that sounds a bit schizo methinks.

Wusikstation is on E, while the Wavestation is still taking vitamin supplements

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well, I have compared it a bit with Neuron (from all the raving, I'd guess it would be near to it sound-wise) and nothing - CA5000 still sounded harsher/colder compared to Neuron (which is funny really, since they are both resynthesis)...

To me CA5000 has a different sound, in a good sense, compared to other synths. I agree it can sound harsh and cold, but often I find that's what makes its sounds fit very well in a mix. I have quite a few synths these days that sound warm and fat. CA5000 complements these perfectly and I love how quick and fun it is to program.

I've also signed up for Wusikstation. Had to have it, but don't know what I'm gonna use it for... yet.

Ian Ainslie SDZH wrote:

When I get Atmosphere for Christmas, I don't think that there's anything else I'm going to need

heard it

what sold it for me in the end was the support from sample conversion tool developers which makes it virtually limitless in use together with the included effects , filters etc.

pekadan wrote:

Quote: well, I have compared it a bit with Neuron (from all the raving, I'd guess it would be near to it sound-wise) and nothing - CA5000 still sounded harsher/colder compared to Neuron (which is funny really, since they are both resynthesis)... To me CA5000 has a different sound, in a good sense, compared to other synths. I agree it can sound harsh and cold, but often I find that's what makes its sounds fit very well in a mix. I have quite a few synths these days that sound warm and fat. CA5000 complements these perfectly and I love how quick and fun it is to program.

Don't confuse warm with fat (phat?). I don't use fatness as a guideline if it's a good synth, I mainly judge it by the sound and CA5000 didn't do it for me (tried one of the earier versions - 1.1 or something), but I doubt sound has dramatically changed...

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what sold it for me in the end was the support from sample conversion tool developers which makes it virtually limitless in use together with the included effects , filters etc.

You know, I never really thought about that, but I suppose it makes WS almost a fully featured sampler! I bought it just based on what it does with the included sample sets, but when you think you can convert any format into WS, and then wavesequence them...AND use those lovely filters...nice
I noticed that the Extreme Sample Converter also now supports Wusik conversion.

A delectable thought just occurred to me as well. GMedia have licensed their filters out to a 3rd party already. Can you imagine what WS would be capable of if it had the option of impOSCar filters too.
That would be a match made in synth heaven.

püRe wrote:

spaceman wrote: CypherOne wrote: he he, I bought it too, but it doesn't do much for me but I haven't delved very deep with it. It's interesting hearing others views - for example I just cannot get anything of worth out of Cameleon 5000 yet loads of people are mad about it - but for me it's like "oh good, another wibbly pad, how exciting". My problem lately is time, so I end up going back to what I know (which is why all my tracks sound the same... ) I have the exact same problem with Cameleon 5000.. it's a great synth, I love what you can do with it but I can't make it sound the way I want it to. I guess it's timbre is just not what I'm looking for I might put it up for sale one of these days thank god there are people who share my opinion

I find I have an impossible time getting "what I hear in my head" out of the Cameleon. What is there is pretty decent (I don't mind a little harshness on occasion heh heh) but it just, in the long run, doesn't work the way my (so-called) mind does. It's an excellent instrument.. but just not for me. I'm hanging on to it in case I reach a sudden enlightenment!

As to Wusikstation.. got it in the last group buy. Also got TSW, and I'm loving it! But then.. I'm more of a soundscape/ambient/dark electronic kind of guy, so your mileage may vary! Wibbly pads with evil drums and distubing drones/crystalline insect sounds r us.

woolyloach wrote:

As to Wusikstation.. got it in the last group buy. Also got TSW, and I'm loving it! But then.. I'm more of a soundscape/ambient/dark electronic kind of guy, so your mileage may vary! Wibbly pads with evil drums and distubing drones/crystalline insect sounds r us.

that's me

püRe wrote:

woolyloach wrote: As to Wusikstation.. got it in the last group buy. Also got TSW, and I'm loving it! But then.. I'm more of a soundscape/ambient/dark electronic kind of guy, so your mileage may vary! Wibbly pads with evil drums and distubing drones/crystalline insect sounds r us. that's me

Well, I know it might be a little cheeky me wading in here, but I'm here in my non-camel mode so don't worry I'm not starting trouble or hijacking the thread ot anything

I read the last few posts and

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I find I have an impossible time getting "what I hear in my head" out

(made me think 'weird voices' )

which made me think of this tune I did a while ago one rainy day, so what the hell here it is Talking in tongues

Its dark, droney ambienty and very very weird, and entirely Cameleon

But I will agree, there is a 'sound' to Cameleon, so its inevitable that some people just won't get on with it, possibly goes for any synth. If you feel like it give me a pm saying what you like and don't like, its interesting to know, and I'm always working on new patches so I can engineer them to peoples tastes

Btw always worth trying the latest demo pUre. Oh and hang on weren't you tring to blag a copy of Cameleon off me in the music cafe last week

jimbo

pekadan wrote:

I've also signed up for Wusikstation. Had to have it, but don't know what I'm gonna use it for... yet.

I use it for everything , really. It has taken over from my hardware sample players. I'm sick of having to use floppies in my hardware 'romplers' to save sounds so I treat Wusikstation as my bread and butter do-it-all synth. The thing is, it gives me most of the basics with a very nice twist ( ie: wavesequenced goodness ).

I've spend an evening programming WusikS and I'm even more impressed than I was before. That synth is very well thought out.. brilliant piece of kit.. I love it

i just got wusikstation too and im very pleased that i did. it sounds cool and im having a lot of fun programming the wavesequencers. at his group buy prices, this synth is a steal...top notch value for the money. and william's support has already impressed me.

btw, i dont mean to further the hijacking of this WS thread but its interesting to me that some of you find cameleon to be harsh and cold. i might actually prefer if it had more of an cold edge to it. imho, ca5000 tends to be overly smooth, soft, and generally well behaved. it also seems like its always got a 1 pole low pass roll off going on somewhere inside. so i go to ca5000 when im looking for a warm, smooth, digital sound to fit into a mix. but if im looking for more something with more clarity and vibrancy, i'll go to synths like rhino or vertigo. and if i want seriously harsh, cold and digital, i'll use white noise's additive.

but back on the WS topics...
how many of you have bought the Second Wave add on collection? if so, what do you think of it? considering the line up of programmers, i expect the pathces are great...but im actually more interested in hearing what people think of the quality and variety of the sample material that comes with it because i bought WS specifically so i could start to get into making my own wavesequence sounds.

-ugo

ugo wrote:

but back on the WS topics... how many of you have bought the Second Wave add on collection? if so, what do you think of it? considering the line up of programmers, i expect the pathces are great...but im actually more interested in hearing what people think of the quality and variety of the sample material that comes with it because i bought WS specifically so i could start to get into making my own wavesequence sounds.

I ordered mine yesterday evening but only received the email today so I didn't have time to check it out. But from what I've heard so far, they're supposed to be really good.. püRe will probably be a good guy to talk to about this, he did patches for it I believe

Hunter wrote:

Oh and hang on weren't you tring to blag a copy of Cameleon off me in the music cafe last week

oh yeah...I do that if a dev is near

ugo wrote:

how many of you have bought the Second Wave add on collection? if so, what do you think of it? considering the line up of programmers, i expect the pathces are great...but im actually more interested in hearing what people think of the quality and variety of the sample material that comes with it because i bought WS specifically so i could start to get into making my own wavesequence sounds. -ugo

Anyone can elaborate about the other Wusik add-on pack? What is in it? Maybe I shouldn't bother asking, as I can see myself eventually buying both, nevertheless, anyone?

Thank you in advance!

I have bought the second wave. It includes many new waves which can be loaded into the oscillators and two new banks which are using them. I think it is necessary to buy them if you want a really rich range of different instruments to play with...

...

and ESC (Extreme Sample Convertor) has just announced import as well as export to Wusikstation (up to 32-bit)

This makes Wusikstation a very flexible tool for loading tons of different sample formats.

well, i went ahead and order the second wave last night. i cant wait to recieve the dl link so i can start working with it.

-ugo

I'm a pad freak so WusikStation is quite thrilling for me. I've never had so many waveforms at my disposal for patch starting points.

Is it just me or does it seem odd that the fellow who doesn't like wibbly pads is keen on Atmosphere? Isn't Atmosphere the macdaddy of all padmonsters?

Perhaps a less wobbly noodle on what wibbly means is in order...

I haven't had a ton of time to make music lately, but today I checked out Teksonics WS patches, as well as the other TSW programmers patches (Some patches in there are mine, all the non-capitalized ones in the 2nd bank )

Gotta say I love what the other designers have done with WS! Used techniques I never even considered and came up with some great stuff. Can't wait to hear what new preset/soundset projects are capable of.

I'm just busy these days learning how to use Wusikstation. I still don't control 10% of the synth and I'm already amazed. (for example today I understood the soundset wavesequencing...just great!

I think I'll buy the second wave sounds...

btw, there's something I don't understand: when I try to save a new bank of presets, I press 'save preset' and it says 'save factory presets', whereas in the manual it says there should be created automatically a new folder. don't get it...

origami wrote:

I think I'll buy the second wave sounds...

i highly recommend it. imho, no wusikstation owner should be without it. the patches are excellent and inspiring and the samples are diverse and of higher quality than much of the original soundset. i am very impressed and very happy i bought it.

-ugo

coming from someone whose synths are some of my most frequently used, I'll follow your advice...(btw, in soundclick you can listen if you want to your synth Texture and String Theory used extensively in my new cd: for example, Texture in kaleidoskopic you.)

actually, Wusikstation came as a revelation. I loved Korg Wavestation, but I didn't want to pay so much money for it. Wusikstation came as a sort of pseudo-wavestation...plus a lot things more.
I'll buy them this week, sure.

greetings

origami wrote:

coming from someone whose synths are some of my most frequently used,

im glad you dig them.
btw, i'll be releasing an update to texture soon.

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btw, in soundclick you can listen if you want to your synth Texture and String Theory used extensively in my new cd: for example, Texture in kaleidoskopic you.)

im listening now...very cool stuff! i love the vibe.

-ugo

I just picked this up as well.

Can't wait for the link to download, or reg code:)

dw

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i'll be releasing an update to texture soon.

great news actually!
(btw I'm the one who asked you some time ago if you could release a slightly smaller version of Motion since I can't see the bottom in my screen!! thx for your synths ugo)

and great thanks for listening to my humble music!!! actually all the synths I use were free and yours were some of the most frequently used.

And now Wusikstation has been my first purchase apart from FL Studio. wow I don't regret it.

I have just ordered the second wave.
Yesterday I had more time to play with my Wusikstation baby and was totally blown away. So many great sounds in it. The EP piano made me drop my jaw, I had to play for like three hours in a row. I can't believe I got all of that for 49 bucks.

Also I think we all should pump some cash in William's work, so he'll be motivated to continued as a genial, independent developer.

William, a big THANK YOU from me

leonard wrote:

Also I think we all should pump some cash in William's work, so he'll be motivated to continued as a genial, independent developer. William, a big THANK YOU from me

Ohhh, and a BIG THANK YOU for all you guys, for all the positive words!

Best Regards, WilliamK

leonard wrote:

I have just ordered the second wave...

Hey, don't mind if I quote myself: this guy is unbelievable: you place an order on a saturday night, and he processes it within 2 hours!!

leonard wrote:

this guy is unbelievable: you place an order on a saturday night, and he processes it within 2 hours!!

yup, william's customer service and support is the stuff legends are made of. that was actually the final determining factor in my buying wusikstation. ...and the guy is a coding machine. its rare to see someone fix bugs and impliment features as fast as he does.

-ugo

origami wrote:

great news actually!

i hope you'll dig the additions/changes, im having fun with with them. i'll be posting info on it soon.

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(btw I'm the one who asked you some time ago if you could release a slightly smaller version of Motion since I can't see the bottom in my screen!!

that will hopefully be in the next update for motion. i dont want to use paged panels because i want to keep all the settings on one screen. (and i dont want to support two different gui's. ) but i've got a few ideas for shrinking the gui (yet still keeping it easy to see/use) that should help. my goal is to get it so that 1024x786 users can get the whole gui on the screen in all major hosts. (btw, just for the record, i keep my monitor at 1280x1024.)

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thx for your synths ugo)

you're welcome, im glad you enjoy them.

-ugo

I do enjoy them, yessss

and wusikstation is just great, and the only bug I'd noticed was corrected in the new version so I can't complain!!!