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AuthorTopic: "Remotely" controlling Analog Hardware?
mikehende
Posted: 3rd December 2004 15:40
I have desperately been trying to simulate the Reverb effect of my old analog Pioneer SR 303 Spring Reverb unit but was unable to do so. I don't wish to give up on this unit as NOTHING sounds like it, at least in "software" so I guess I have to try to find a way to control the unit by some "remote" method. If it was MIDI, I would have been easily able to control the unit from a "Handheld" remote but as it is not, I am desperately seeking a way to remotely control the unit.
Reason being, if anyone is wondering, I don't have the time to stand behind my equipment anymore so I control all the music from a handheld remote but what I control from the remote is software and MIDI, have to find a way now using the remote or some "gadget" to control "analog" equipment. Anyone got any ideas/suggestions or any links please? Thanks.

p.s.I don't know if this topic belongs in this forum, if it doesn't, then one of you mods/admin please transfer it to the appropriate forum with my apologies, thanks.
snooky
Posted: 3rd December 2004 15:43
Does it have cv in? then a CV-MIDI converter could work no?
mikehende
Posted: 3rd December 2004 16:48
I'm sorry, just what is a "CV" please? I'll find out.Let me know, thanks.
snooky
Posted: 3rd December 2004 16:52
ControlVoltage...It's how one used to control pure analogue gear before MIDI.
Steven West
Posted: 3rd December 2004 17:09
Have a look at www.kentonelectronics.com They're the 'salvation' for many lost relics of analog. Wink
mikehende
Posted: 3rd December 2004 17:24
@fractalism: I have the manual in front of me and don't see the letters "cv", there is only a "voltage selector" switch in the back, will contact my technician and ask him about the "cv" thing or can you tell me specifically what to look for in the manual?

@Steven West: I looked at the site [thanks] and sent them an email asking if they can come up with anything.
snooky
Posted: 3rd December 2004 17:27
mikehende wrote:
@fractalism: I have the manual in front of me and don't see the letters "cv", there is only a "voltage selector" switch in the back, will contact my technician and ask him about the "cv" thing or can you tell me specifically what to look for in the manual?

@Steven West: I looked at the site [thanks] and sent them an email asking if they can come up with anything.


If you have a CV connection is should state what the input does and what type of controller it should use...If you don't have such a port and no MIDI it could be hard to controll the unit externally.
mikehende
Posted: 3rd December 2004 17:51
So I am guessing that it does not have this cv connection or else it would have mentioned it. Well, anything else anyone?
whyterabbyt
Posted: 4th December 2004 02:35
Are you wanting to manipulate the controls via automation then? If so, then you're probably out of luck. What controls were you wanting to control, as it were?

Or do you just want to send a feed to the reverb, and then back into your sequencer track, then control things like mix, panning et.c.?

If so, it may be quite easy if you've got a soundcard with spare outputs and inputs, because you can use your automation on the returned, post-processed signal.
mikehende
Posted: 4th December 2004 03:32
I simply want to set the Decay and Reverb knobs to get the sound I want and then be able to turn the reverb on/off in some remote way, so I don't need to "adjust" anything just turn the reverb on when I want and turn it off when I want, any suggestions you hav will be appreciated, thanks.
whyterabbyt
Posted: 4th December 2004 03:41
What about a remote control wall socket, then?

eg
http://www.possum.co.uk/HC603c.htm
mikehende
Posted: 4th December 2004 04:09
As far as I can remember you can't turn just the "power" of the Reverb on/off and get the Reverb sound so what would have to be done is to find a way to turn the "Bypass" [which is controlled by a button that you depress] on/off, this is where the problem is.

Can you explain more about this too please? I would like to explore this option further if it can work:

"Or do you just want to send a feed to the reverb, and then back into your sequencer track, then control things like mix, panning et.c.?

If so, it may be quite easy if you've got a soundcard with spare outputs and inputs, because you can use your automation on the returned, post-processed signal.
mikehende
Posted: 5th December 2004 04:47
@whyterabbyt

Thinking more about what you wrote, if I can leave the Reverb "on" at all times and have some way to bypass it whenever I want via a multitracker or MIDI program, then YES, this will work! If you or anyone else who reads this can suggest an example of a connection that will make it happen, I will appreciate it.
whyterabbyt
Posted: 5th December 2004 06:42
It really depends on your host and your soundcard. But the principal is that the track you want to add gets sent out your soundcard, through the reverb, and then back in via your soundcard. As I say, it depends on your host and soundcard how you achieve that...

As an example, if I was doing it in Sonar (and had the breakout box for my emu card) I'd create a new send bus in Sonar, and a new PatchMix channel with a physical send/return insert on it, and appropriate settings for the actual physical inputs and outputs the reverb was on. I'd then route the send bus to that channel, and automate the send bus appropriately.

With a different host/soundcard combination it might be slightly less elegant, but all you'd basically need to do direct your chosen track to a soundcard output which was connected to the reverb, then use a different track to record or monitor from a souncard input wired to come from the reverb. You want the reverb to provide a fully 'wet' mix, btw, if you can. If you have aux channels of some kind then you could use them. Then what you have to do is automate the volume/muting/EQ/whatever of the second track, ie the one with the 100% wet reverb on it.
mikehende
Posted: 5th December 2004 12:06
I am not sure that I understand everything you've written here as I guess you do a lot of "Editing"?. I don't, I simply use a DJ software and wish to have use of the Reverb whenever I want by some remote method. So I am thinnking of using 2 soundcards, routing the output of 1 through the Reverb whcih will be on at all times, now if I could route the output of the Reverb to the 2nd soundcard but have some sort of control to "bypass" the reverb before the sound goes out of the soundcard into the speakers, this might work, what do you think? Also, what type of "software" would I need for this, MIDI or multitrack, e.t.c?
whyterabbyt
Posted: 5th December 2004 12:15
Ah right. Well as I say, it does kind of depend on the host (ie 'DJ software') and the soundcard you use.

What is it you're using, exactly?
mikehende
Posted: 5th December 2004 12:23
My DJ software is "OTSDJ" which does not support 3rd party pluging and I cannot route it's "output". So Iam thinking of getting an external soundcard for my laptop, use the Laptop's integrated SC to go into some plugin Host software, run that through the Reverb, then then run the output of the reverb back into the external SC but I would need some sort of sofwtare that will enable me to bypass the Reverb's effect when I want, what do you think/suggestions?
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