With Phatmatik Pro going over to the MAC platform. Basement Arts Reflex (210.00 U.S) is the best beat/loop manipulation tool that I could find. I know Native Instruments has Intakt (199.00 U.S.) are there any others that might give these two a run for their money and be competitive cost wise?

EnergyXT's sampler

I think I'm gonna try GForce/CodeAudio's BeatBurner.
CypherOne gave it a pretty good review and it looks like what I need. Is that program that came with Sonar, I think it was called Cyclone available as a VST?

I still haven't found an alternative to PHATmaikPro that I like.

Nope, Cyclone's DXi-only.

Beatburner's a bit different in concept from PPro, but good. Have a look at Dicer, as well.

Sielsynth wrote:

I think I'm gonna try GForce/CodeAudio's BeatBurner. CypherOne gave it a pretty good review and it looks like what I need. Is that program that came with Sonar, I think it was called Cyclone available as a VST?

um, DICER?

and bitshift is pc again fyi..

beatburner is fun, i just bought it. but i am using it already more for xtreme fx.

Cyclone is not available as a vst. who cares, it's shite.

bastard rabbit just pipped me to the post

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Cyclone is not available as a vst. who cares, it's shite.

yup!

for a cheap alternative, dicer and exergy xt's sampler are well worth it like the others mentioned.
With energy xt, you get the full host has well. It's worth a lot more than what you actually pay for.

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Cyclone is not available as a vst. who cares, it's shite.

Wasted many an hour not getting anything useful out of this pile of bits.

Phatmatik is back on the PC?!!!

Damn, I just bought Intakt!! Oh well, I guess if I don't like Intakt maybe Quincy or ttoz will buy it from me.

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Phatmatik is back on the PC?!!! Damn, I just bought Intakt!! Oh well, I guess if I don't like Intakt maybe Quincy or ttoz will buy it from me.

I know this a rumour but there is still no announcement fromthe Art Man himself.

Beardedone wrote:

Quote: Phatmatik is back on the PC?!!! Damn, I just bought Intakt!! Oh well, I guess if I don't like Intakt maybe Quincy or ttoz will buy it from me. I know this a rumour but there is still no announcement fromthe Art Man himself.

I'll believe this when I see conclusive proof. I think this guy has done a pretty good job of trashing his own market. Phatmatik Pro would be my preferred loop tool, but I have not bought it because it is "end of life".

So, Art, if you're listening, time to repent of your sins and reassure those of us who would like to spend money with you (on a PC product) that we are not making a mistake!

I do hope so. I still find PPRO an very inspiring tool. But not inspiring enough to ditch the broad, flexible and more creative PC environment for the raried oligarchic desert that is the MAC.

I think Devine Machine and Lucifer are also both designed to do heavy duty beat/loop manipulation, although I don't know if they work as midi-based loop slicers.

I'd highly recommend checking out the ioplong plugins at smartelectronix. Slifty is a loop manipulation sampler and splonki does loop buffering. Both remarkably useful.

A question about eXT's sampler, as I'm behind on feature updates: does the sampler do timestretching yet, and if not, has Jorgen made mention of it being on the todo list?

ttoz wrote:

and bitshift is pc again fyi..

What does that mean, HAS he re started developing it for the PC or is it just maintenance updates.

I thought he abandoned developing for the PC, (just after Id bought PPro )

Ian F wrote:

ttoz wrote: and bitshift is pc again fyi.. What does that mean, HAS he re started developing it for the PC or is it just maintenance updates. I thought he abandoned developing for the PC, (just after Id bought PPro )

idrum for pc has been announce. mind you, i wonder what the point is, with ruction still being around, cheap, and working well.

afaik ppro will definitely be supported on PC until the day when v2 comes out, at which point (from my previous knowledge) the mac-only-ness of (now) glaresoft will take over.

i don't really need my phatmatik pro (pc) now, much as i love it i'd love to sell it for a few buxX0rZ but it doesn't look like i'm allowed to!

haydxn wrote:

i don't really need my phatmatik pro (pc)

out of curiosity, what do you use then?

THE big advance of PPro IMO is that you can actually export slices to other samplers.
In case you don't need this functionality, Intakt is just doing as well, probably some others too.

Oh well, OK, PPro's MIDI drag is quite better than Intakt's export functionality as well.
But then, you get other goodies with Intakt, such as the single key trigger for loops.

I wish there was one big fucking drum machine doing it all for you!

i can use the eXT sampler, or just build something slicey in reaktor if i want to do slicey things. i do love pmpro but i just don't use it any more.

concretefx dicer is a good budget alternative, but I would go for Intakt, and my hopes are high for Intakt V2 (probably in one year).
But you might also consider VSampler which meanwhile has very good beat-slicing capabilities included and is a full-featured sampler!!!

best, drjee

haydxn wrote:

i can use the eXT sampler, or just build something slicey in reaktor if i want to do slicey things. i do love pmpro but i just don't use it any more.

does ext sampler work as a vsti?

What about zero x beat quantiser. Must admit havnt used it myself but the specs sure look good.

smellytongue wrote:

What about zero x beat quantiser. Must admit havnt used it myself but the specs sure look good.

it's meant to be fantastic but it's stand alone only

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Phatmatik is back on the PC?!!!

What are you guys talking about !
PhatMatikPro has been on PC all the time.
I use PhatMatikPro on PC version 1.2 and it´s working perfect.
If a instrument works with out any bugs why bother if it get´s any updates.
Go on and use it if you like it as it works NOW.

PhatMatikPro is a GREAT tool

ahh did he finally fix the reso filter stuck open,
and that lame browser, and the fact there is no way to play the whole loop from one key. and no auto sync loop to host tempo, and no fx. ?

ie: Intakt

things I would trade over midi drag any day, by the way Micro Dicer supports midi file d+d

olepro wrote:

Quote: Phatmatik is back on the PC?!!! What are you guys talking about ! PhatMatikPro has been on PC all the time. I use PhatMatikPro on PC version 1.2 and it´s working perfect. If a instrument works with out any bugs why bother if it get´s any updates. Go on and use it if you like it as it works NOW. PhatMatikPro is a GREAT tool

A "missing" feature is not a bug.

As i said, if you like the plugin as it is, then use it.
Your life will not get any updates, live it NOW

ttoz wrote:

haydxn wrote: i can use the eXT sampler, or just build something slicey in reaktor if i want to do slicey things. i do love pmpro but i just don't use it any more. does ext sampler work as a vsti?

It does if you load eXT as a VSTi

yeah ttoz - eXT can be used as a VSTi, so you just plonk a sampler module inside an instance, cable it up and yer rockin'. fully operational sampler and beatslicer in one.

awesome..thanks sickle and haydxn checking it out now

not quite true,

more kids, new house, car, great holidays,.

ahh the joy of progression

olepro wrote:

Your life will not get any updates, live it NOW

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not quite true, more kids, new house, car, great holidays,. ahh the joy of progression olepro wrote: Your life will not get any updates, live it NOW

Yes, what i should have wrote was:
Don´t WAIT for your life to get updates, live it now.
At least this is what i ment

AND NOW ((((( back to topic

ok back on topic, users want to know they are going to get support on updates etc as os changes happen host changes etc.

sometimes we need updates.

to the original poster, hang out a little while for Micro Dicer. you may be nicely surprised

quote="olepro"][Yes, what i should have wrote was:
Don´t WAIT for your life to get updates, live it now.
At least this is what i ment

AND NOW ((((( back to topic [/quote]

topaz wrote:

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to the original poster, hang out a little while for Micro Dicer. you may be nicely surprised

Who's doing it? Any links to preliminary info available?

check the concreteFX forum

Sielsynth wrote:

topaz wrote: Quote: to the original poster, hang out a little while for Micro Dicer. you may be nicely surprised Who's doing it? Any links to preliminary info available?

HI

There is also AMG's 'One' which works with REX files - soon to be up-dated to an 8 voice.

This really is more for someone who want's to work with RECYCLE and then export into a vsti.

I have Intakt which is nice - IMO only let down by a lack of drag and drop midi file to sequencer - you have to save out the midi file and then drop it into a sequencer track.

Devine Machine is pretty 'out there' and V2 is soon to be released and worth a look in it's present incarnation.

PhatmatikPro is perfectly usable and will remain so for some time - just because a developer is no longer busting a gut to find ever decreasingly usefull 'bells and whistles' to bolt on to an application doesn't mean it is redundent.

Flipper.

pPRO 2 (and indeed all future Glaresoft products) will ship for XP and OSX simultaneously.

XP: Standalone, VST, RTAS, and DXi
Mac: Standalone, AU, VST, RTAS and MAS

I can't say any more about the product... but much of Sascha's 'ideal drum machine'
http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=848702post
post looks very familiar.

Make no mistake: our ill-considered platform-evangelist days are over.

Best,

Art Gillespie
Creative Director
Glaresoft, Inc.

bitshift wrote:

Make no mistake: our ill-considered platform-evangelist days are over.

that's good news!

Doesn't Obsession also double as a REx2 player or is it just a closed rompler thingy?

Thanks so much Art. This is great news. Looking forward to the new stuff!

Cheers!
Gordon

HI

Isn't it weird - people assume 'some' dev's take little notice, then, out of the blue ......... or is it 'ttoz' with one of his bloody HOAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats the problem with impersonating a developer .

Flipper.,

equally as amazing when a dev pops up when he knows there is an on slaught of new products coming.

original flipper wrote:

HI Isn't it weird - people assume 'some' dev's take little notice, then, out of the blue ......... or is it 'ttoz' with one of his bloody HOAXES!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats the problem with impersonating a developer . Flipper.,

original flipper wrote:

HI Isn't it weird - people assume 'some' dev's take little notice, then, out of the blue ......... or is it 'ttoz' with one of his bloody HOAXES!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats the problem with impersonating a developer . Flipper.,

unless ttoz has made 335 posts under bitshifts name, I wouldn't wory this time.

This better be real. I am not in the mood for childishness.

topaz wrote:

equally as amazing when a dev pops up when he knows there is an on slaught of new products coming.

Oh yes, indeed, you've seen right through our strategy! What do software development companies do to stay competitive? That's right! We post in forums! That will show our competition. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Or not.



In any case, I wasn't sure if I was impersonating myself, so I posted some news at our site to be sure.

http://www.glaresoft.com/news/

That's Art alright!

Hi Art and all,

just read those news that Phatmatik2 will be developed for PC. I will probably buy it when it comes out, however I have one question concerning an issue I encountered when I tried version 1.2 on a friends PC. Sorry for posting this question in here, but you guys seem to know tha app pretty well and I haven't got an answer to this anywhere else yet.
We imported several loops, sliced them, set the sequencer tempo exactly to the loop tempo (which had been determined with phat and soundforge), changed no parameters, hit play and it sounded different from the original, with small gaps between the slices. Changing the slices to One Shot or increasing the release didn't help either. Has any of you ever experienced that problem? I don't know if it would actually keep me from doing what I'd like to do with it but I haven't bothered to buy it either...what could be wrong? Shouldn't it sound exactly like the original loop? I'd appreciate your suggestions, thanks!

shortcircuit does the job...

I'm definitely on-board for Phatmatik2!

pHATmatikPRO remains highly reused for my slicing needs, particularly for non-drum sound manipulation thanks to the automated transposition feature.

- m

wikter wrote:

shortcircuit does the job...

how exactly? I've tried the free one and there is no slicing.

What can you do with rex files in sc?

thanks

k

I would add my (not inconsiderate too many xmas pies) weight to the Energy XT sampler.

THis does pretty much everything that phatmatik could - slice a loop automatically, then do per-slice pan, filter, effects etc. It also has drag-n-drop to the ext sequencer window.

Maybe jorgen will make a vsti of it someday (don't suggest it right now, though, he's too busy adding a thwackload of cool stuff to EXT ) but in the meantime, I think it is worth the price of entry alone.

bitshift wrote:

pPRO 2 (and indeed all future Glaresoft products) will ship for XP and OSX simultaneously. XP: Standalone, VST, RTAS, and DXi Mac: Standalone, AU, VST, RTAS and MAS I can't say any more about the product... but much of Sascha's 'ideal drum machine' http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=848702post post looks very familiar. Make no mistake: our ill-considered platform-evangelist days are over. Best, Art Gillespie Creative Director Glaresoft, Inc.

whoohoo! Oh Art, that is good good news. The more companies that support several platforms, the happier I am! And I have always really liked Phatmatik Pro.
Cheerz, and good luck with your endeavours.
G.

soulata wrote:

wikter wrote: shortcircuit does the job... how exactly? I've tried the free one and there is no slicing. What can you do with rex files in sc? thanks k

Just open up a rex file... simple as that. It is displayed with all its slices, and mapped from c#3 and up. Or c#2, depending on your host and settings.
Alternately, you can slice up regular waves and other things using the slicer mode, or have it sliced for you. In that case, you can apply hundreds of cool parameters to each slice individually. The Way F-ing Cool thing with Rex files is this: right click on the sample display and choose 'All slices -> Zones' and every slice in the rex file becomes a sample zone, and then is fully editable and open to filters, effects, and modulation independantly from the others.
'SC is a CRAZY piece of gear, definitely one of the very best out there for many different uses. Slicing is just one of the things it does well.

Cheerz.
G.

spoonboiler wrote:

soulata wrote: wikter wrote: shortcircuit does the job... how exactly? I've tried the free one and there is no slicing. What can you do with rex files in sc? thanks k Just open up a rex file... simple as that. It is displayed with all its slices, and mapped from c#3 and up. Or c#2, depending on your host and settings. Alternately, you can slice up regular waves and other things using the slicer mode, or have it sliced for you. In that case, you can apply hundreds of cool parameters to each slice individually. The Way F-ing Cool thing with Rex files is this: right click on the sample display and choose 'All slices -> Zones' and every slice in the rex file becomes a sample zone, and then is fully editable and open to filters, effects, and modulation independantly from the others. 'SC is a CRAZY piece of gear, definitely one of the very best out there for many different uses. Slicing is just one of the things it does well. Cheerz. G.

does it export midi as well (for sliced files)?

Can you confirm that a midifile, dragged to a track from Phatmatik, doesn't seem to trigger the slices right...or better: Phatmatik cuts off the last bit of each slice so the playback studders a bit. I played with the envelopes but nothing helped.

ev0lver wrote:

Can you confirm that a midifile, dragged to a track from Phatmatik, doesn't seem to trigger the slices right...

A timing error in the midi was fixed in 1.2: it used to have a bit of a rounding error that tended to make slices a tiny bit short, which became more pronounced over longer loops.

I used to fix it in SONAR with "Fit to Time" (and then making it a groove clip). After 1.2 I don't have to.

- m

Hmm I'm using the 1.2 beta. Is there a final version out? It doesn't work in the beta here...

ev0lver wrote:

Hmm I'm using the 1.2 beta. Is there a final version out? It doesn't work in the beta here...

Yes, the final was released start of July 2004, I believe.

I just tested again in my version: measure end boundary lines up fine with both the exported .mid file and the dragged MIDI-clip.

- m

idrum for pc, hmm. how does this compare with battery. glad to hear about ppro.