Man I just downloaded this thing and it just blew me away so simple to use and yet so powerfull,abd there is a fully free version, the only limit is 2 note poly
http://www.vemberaudio.com/products.php

HI

Never could get it to run in Orion - and it still won't.

Flipper.

Please give us you opinions on this one. How does it compare to other samplers in the same price range, e.g. VSampler?

I tried the free version and got as far as importing a soundfont and playing the first few notes that got stuck and I had to run for the panic button.

Who is this vember|audio company anyway? Never heard of the company and a search of the creator (Claes Johanson) is not very revealing. Spending that kind of money I'd like to know who I deal with.

HI

Well youv'e got a problem with it, I have a major problem in that it wont work at all - this has been ongoing since the beta and does not appear to have been put right and it's expensive - not a good start.

Flipper.

original flipper wrote:

HI Well youv'e got a problem with it, I have a major problem in that it wont work at all - this has been ongoing since the beta and does not appear to have been put right and it's expensive - not a good start. Flipper.

You're right, Flipper, it won't load in Orion at all, and didn't back in beta status..

An Ill Omen for a release, methinks..

HI

I tried it in XT but couldn't get the browser to see it!

I thought I was a bit hasty there but Sickle666 has confirmed my worst nightmares - that after all this time the program is still not working on such a popular host - and just in case the dev reads this, it loads up fine but won't load in a sample.

Flipper.

works fine in SX3 here, good sounding too, gonna see how it holds up cpu and aliasingwise.. potential new toy

edit: just saw it lets you audition replacement samples (for a region) by selecting them in the browser, and it'll behave as if you loaded it into the region.. like.. applies filters, transposing, fx and all. really neat!

*edit*

I tried it quickly with Minihost and really love it ! Great sound and features.

Something odd by the way : it is said to be limited to two notes poly, but I was able to play more by manually increasing the variable. Bug ?

false alarm earlier, I thought it wasn't working in Tracktion.. it seems to be ok. I'm definately intrigued by this one... it's SIMPLE, and easy to use.. and it doesn't look like some 3d simulated piece of hardware... and it supports loop start/end modulation in a manner that makes sense (unlike NI samplers which have a stupid length parameter.. wtf is that?). The graphics when moving the zones is kinda laggy on my machine, but not enough to deter me from attempting to use this... just gotta see if it holds up and isn't crashprone. Feels like an advanced non pseudo granular mangling version of slifty.

Love the flat vector style graphics too! schweeett! w00t! to the developer!

edit agian! and I LOVE how the automation parameters are not assigned to anything in particular... it appears that it's up to you! NICE!

ModuLR wrote:

I'm definately intrigued by this one... it's SIMPLE, and easy to use.. and it doesn't look like some 3d simulated piece of hardware...

these are things that attract you?

It works fine in energy XT over here. Sounds great too.

Just trying with 2 rather simple pad samples (one trebble-ish one, the other a more low frequency rich one), 2 overlapping regions. On the trebble pad an lfo modulates an LP filter cutoff, a 2nd LFO modulates the first lfo's rate as well as a HP filter's cutoff, the third LFO modulates the resonance with a ramp, LFO 2 also modulates LFO 3 rate. A more simple cutoff modulation on the bass pad, and the 2nd LFO there modulates the first LFO's rate again. Also modulated AMP env attack for the trebble pad sample with keytrack, so that the lower notes have a longer attack and a slower attack curve setting than the higher ones (the bellish part of the higher pad begins to sound brutal further down with the normal attack settings).
Then assign this thing to a group - the group LFO can modulate the LFOs of all regions ever so slightly. A group amp-env also offsets the amp evenlopes of the individual regions' amp env settings.
Heres what it sounds like (played a fourth down from root, then a sixth, then an octave and finally 17 semitones down). Just straight the sampler btw, no processing added.
Thanks for the hint Noox, could bounce this example with smooth transitions between notes by avoiding voice stealing

I wonder if the author considers doing an Xmas discount (a mad one)


Markus

What about poly ? Are you too able to play more than two notes when having changed the parameter ?

Edit : OOooops crossposted with you xRAVENx

xRAVEnx...awesome demo...what are those samples..I kinda recognise them!?

gonna have to try this one out!

Almost forgot to add it sucks almost no CPU. Awesome thingy...

They're from XX-Large Killer drumloops+synths something audio sample CD, the first I ever bought. 1 shot samples (totally not tuned lol, didn't adjust the tuning of that pad overall either, only the tuning of the samples to each other).

it seems that the actuall polyfony is 4 VOICES!

not 2...marketing stunt? PR error? I dunno..what I can tell you is that this sampler delivers! totally easy to use and the filters are instant sounddesign quality!

Yes you get 4 voices max it seems in the demo, even if you set the voice limit to 256, can't get the actual voice counter over 4.

I, for one, almost never use more than 4 notes at the same time on samplers. Ain't that cool ?!?!

The more I tweak it, the more I love it.

I LOVE this. I have already started trying to figure out how to budget this in to my current financial situation; I have never tried a more user-friendly soft sampler, ever. I am just floored by this!
So many filter options, oh man, soooo f-ing coool!
I think the only thing I could compare to this is the sampler in EnergyXT; aside from that, ShortCircuit is in a league of it's own.

spoonboiler wrote:

I think the only thing I could compare to this is the sampler in EnergyXT;

I was thinking the same thing when looking at the feature list and the screenshots.

It reminds me of eXT's internal sampler. Or at least - what that sampler is likely to become when it's tweaked further.

Very good of them to offer a freebie alternative so that you can really have a go at it before you decide to commit to the purchase.

I think I'll content myself with eXT's sampler for this kind of purpose though.

Caleb

the filters are absolutely mangleful... I think this is the one... finally, a sampler I actually like... still amazed!

it needs a nice auditioning browser (unless I'm missing something), tho I haven't bothered with the docs yet...

no audition that I can see.

oohh very nice indeed, I love the in context preview, fantastic

wishes:

browse to next/previous sample either via right left click on sample name or arrows.

cant see a reverse sample ?

some kind of patch browsing would be nice,
although I see the author states the intention is not to make a rompler stylee this would still be cool to have imo.

as a fast to use sampler they got it pretty much spot
on, the free version is wicked for drums and taking hits out of loops fast.

great stuff indeed, thanks vember audio.

The last time I checked, sample **players** played back samples and **samplers** could do all that AND sample/resample/edit sounds.

This thing plays back samples, and has all the same functionality as just about every other VSTi-based "sampler" out there except it looks different and has a whizzbang layout. I wish they'd quit calling them samplers, It gets me all excited. It's a total letdown for me. Let me know when a sampler that can actually sample comes along.

...I'm a grumpy bastard though.

Have a nice day.

Sorry guys, I dont get it...
A toy sampler for 150 Euro, that does not even stream.

Come on you gear junkeys !

I loaded one of my soundfonts and have cpu peaks of 18%...(8% without the spikes)
sfz uses 1.5-1.9% using the same sf2 and sounds great,(3 notes, lowest quality)
while SHORTCIRCUIT is just like his name says,
a SHORT CIRCUIT.

And that sf2 is not even played back correctly...

It advertises that soundfont import is only partial.
I would not expect your soundfont to play back the same as in sfz.

The guy developing this isn't that interested in this being just a playback engine as such.

I'm sure the AKAI and sf2 import is more as a quick way to get the individual samples loaded so that you can do whatever you want to them with the included, filtering, modulation and effects.

Caleb

Sicklecell666 wrote:

original flipper wrote: HI Well youv'e got a problem with it, I have a major problem in that it wont work at all - this has been ongoing since the beta and does not appear to have been put right and it's expensive - not a good start. Flipper. You're right, Flipper, it won't load in Orion at all, and didn't back in beta status.. An Ill Omen for a release, methinks..

Works great in FLS. But what about in Live? Anyone?

fractalism wrote:

it seems that the actuall polyfony is 4 VOICES! not 2...marketing stunt? PR error? I dunno..what I can tell you is that this sampler delivers! totally easy to use and the filters are instant sounddesign quality!

In stereo, it is 4 poly and not 2. I hit the jackpot!!

Caleb wrote:

I'm sure the AKAI and sf2 import is more as a quick way to get the individual samples loaded so that you can do whatever you want to them with the included, filtering, modulation and effects.

I simply loaded MY selfmade sf2.
No tricks done here, just the splits and wavs asigned.
SHORT CIRCUIT cant even hande this,
but they can handle to ask you 150 Euro for it...

Effects ?
What effects, the internal crap ?
That thing does not even load VST Fx...
No graphical ADSR... (numeric entry)
No streaming ...

Ok, the filter section is quite nice,
do I need it ? Sure not.
Modulation matix ? Big deal, many Synthedit creation have that...

Get real guys, that SHORT CIRCUIT is a loser...

Caleb wrote:

It advertises that soundfont import is only partial. I would not expect your soundfont to play back the same as in sfz.

It's better than sfz. With Shortcircuit, I was able to increase & decrease the sonic quality of all of my soundfonts.

I'll need a week to test out the wav samples.

Midiworks wrote:

Get real guys, that SHORT CIRCUIT is a loser...

Remind me that the world doesn't revolve around you nor your particular needs. Stick with your sampler... I could give a shit about SF2. This thing mangles stuff with ease.. it's creatively inspiring. I guess not for you... so be it.

I really like the LFO sequencers and the easy way that you can assign stuff. No hassles. Just music!

Top notch!

Midiworks wrote:

I simply loaded MY selfmade sf2. No tricks done here, just the splits and wavs asigned. SHORT CIRCUIT cant even hande this, but they can handle to ask you 150 Euro for it... Effects ? What effects, the internal crap ? That thing does not even load VST Fx... No graphical ADSR... (numeric entry) No streaming ... Ok, the filter section is quite nice, do I need it ? Sure not. Get real guys, that SHORT CIRCUIT is a loser...

Well now we know what kind of sampler you wouldn't use.

I personally like these types of samplers and they make it easier and quicker to use the sampler as a sound design tool.

Personally, I use things like Crystal, Wusikstation and EnergyXT's internal sampler for these purposes already so at $150 this would be quite difficult to sell to me. But it's likely that this will hit a chord with a few people.

Caleb

Importing soundfont is not what SHORTCIRCUIT is/was made for.
The price is on the high side, I will admit that(just got hyped when I was playing with it I didnt see the price on it).Someone was asking how it compared to Vsampler, it has fewer features(no seq, no slicer,no good browser,no arp) , but the what captured me is the layout of shortcircuit and the filters(I woulden mind more).
This is just a fun instrument, will I buy it....not for 175euro, but for 100euro I would

Its different to sfz. Its rather easy to use for some stuff hardware samplers were/still are used for, but with more modulation opportunities.

To audition samples: create a new region, adjust the key mapping for the region (which doesnt yet contain a sample), otherwise it'll be C1 you'll have to use to preview the sample, click on replace sample, then with the mouse or keyboard cursors move through samples, hitting a note within the region you assigned earlier (or C1 if you didn't), lets you listen to the samples in context, with the filters, modulation etc. applied.

And stop whining that you don't need the modulation matrix or the filters - thats what this thing is all about. If you don't need these - simply move on. If you checked the website you'll see that the emphasis clearly lies on these effects. So stop complaining its not sfz, just use sfz for sfz features, and use this for filter tweaking and modulation features, or if you have no use for these - hey don't use it at all.

Why is it some people gotta get all whiny about some piece of software, its not like anyone is forcing you to buy it.

Also it appears some haven't grasped the idea behind computers yet. In hardware you had to edit your samples inside the sampler (trim/cut, normalize etc.). Why do you want these features in a software sampler, while you already HAVE them with plenty dedicated audio editors, some of them even free (appears to be an outrage for some that people actually charge money for their work).

Markus

Caleb wrote:

I personally like these types of samplers and they make it easier and quicker to use the sampler as a sound design tool. Personally, I use things like Crystal, Wusikstation and EnergyXT's internal sampler for these purposes already so at $150 this would be quite difficult to sell to me. But it's likely that this will hit a chord with a few people. Caleb

Thats exactly my position on it. I like it, some nifty features but would be overpriced as I use Wusikstation, EnergyXT sampler and Crystal also. Will be one Ill keep an eye on though.

TonyVanDam wrote:

Works great in FLS. But what about in Live? Anyone?

making great mangled noises in live4 here ...

slainte rob

Motion wrote:

... a full blown unrestricted 2 note(but apparently it's 4 voices)poly version for free

Yeah, thumbs up! So much better than a "beeep" every 10 sec. as heard on most demos.

no_barcode wrote:

The last time I checked, sample **players** played back samples and **samplers** could do all that AND sample/resample/edit sounds.

I dont know any vst sampler that does this ? can you name one please, maybe if you ask nice they will add it.

who said V.1.01

Quote:

This thing plays back samples, and has all the same functionality as just about every other VSTi-based "sampler" out there except it looks different and has a whizzbang layout.

please tell us one FREE sampler that does what shortcircuit does, inc in context preview, rex1/2 import, etc etc.

Quote:

...I'm a grumpy bastard though. Have a nice day.

you too.

oh and I forgot to add this point to my previous post... It does show you the envelopes when you edit them, shows the slope settings even.

Markus

xRAVENx wrote:

Also it appears some haven't grasped the idea behind computers yet. In hardware you had to edit your samples inside the sampler (trim/cut, normalize etc.). Why do you want these features in a software sampler, while you already HAVE them with plenty dedicated audio editors, some of them even free (appears to be an outrage for some that people actually charge money for their work). Markus

that's the point - some people still don't seem to get a few major differences between software and hardware.

topaz wrote:

I dont know any vst sampler that does this ? can you name one please, maybe if you ask nice they will add it.

Exactly my point.

topaz wrote:

please tell us one FREE sampler that does what shortcircuit does, inc in context preview, rex1/2 import, etc etc.

This "sampler" is not "free". You're using a demo which was limited in the hopes that you would buy the actual product if you find that you enjoy using it.

topaz wrote:

Quote: ...I'm a grumpy bastard though. Have a nice day. you too.

Thanks

I still want a sampler that samples.

Have you ever trimmed a sample while playing it in context? Have you ever adjusted the loop cross-fade while playing in context? I would say probably not unless you've owned a piece of hardware.

Sampled on-the-fly?

How about this - that cool drum part you made with all those neat filters, bit-crushers, and whatnot: resample that last part you just played, assign it to a key, loop the last 1/4 of it, turn the cross-fade on and start adjusting it, while playing the song. Now assign loop start point to an LFO. Resample it all and assign it to a different key. Rinse and repeat. It can't be done. Unless I can do that with Wavelab maybe... maybe I can "Rewire" it. heh.

Yes, technically everything I have ever had in hardware exists in software. It's just that's in the form a broken hodge-podge of various vendors and applications. There are simply some elements that I would like to see brought together under a single, seamless interface, for both musical purposes and just good ol' fashioned work-flow reasons.

no_barcode wrote:

Have you ever trimmed a sample while playing it in context? Have you ever adjusted the loop cross-fade while playing in context? I would say probably not unless you've owned a piece of hardware Sampled on-the-fly?

yes, using AKAI S3000 and 6000.

Quote:

How about this - that cool drum part you made with all those neat filters, bit-crushers, and whatnot: resample that last part you just played, assign it to a key, loop the last 1/4 of it, turn the cross-fade on and start adjusting it, while playing the song. Now assign loop start point to an LFO. Resample it all and assign it to a different key. Rinse and repeat. It can't be done. Unless I can do that with Wavelab maybe... maybe I can "Rewire" it. heh.

bounce and drag

Quote:

Yes, technically everything I have ever had in hardware exists in software. It's just that's in the form a broken hodge-podge of various vendors and applications. There are simply some elements that I would like to see brought together under a single, seamless interface, for both musical purposes and just good ol' fashioned work-flow reasons.

sure, I cant disagree on that, thats why I requested things that hardware has that software samplers just dont seem to, like turn a dial to change samples on the fly, this is sure backward in even kontakt.

no_barcode wrote:

topaz wrote: I dont know any vst sampler that does this ? can you name one please, maybe if you ask nice they will add it. Exactly my point. topaz wrote: please tell us one FREE sampler that does what shortcircuit does, inc in context preview, rex1/2 import, etc etc. This "sampler" is not "free". You're using a demo which was limited in the hopes that you would buy the actual product if you find that you enjoy using it. topaz wrote: Quote: ...I'm a grumpy bastard though. Have a nice day. you too. Thanks I still want a sampler that samples. Have you ever trimmed a sample while playing it in context? Have you ever adjusted the loop cross-fade while playing in context? I would say probably not unless you've owned a piece of hardware. Sampled on-the-fly? How about this - that cool drum part you made with all those neat filters, bit-crushers, and whatnot: resample that last part you just played, assign it to a key, loop the last 1/4 of it, turn the cross-fade on and start adjusting it, while playing the song. Now assign loop start point to an LFO. Resample it all and assign it to a different key. Rinse and repeat. It can't be done. Unless I can do that with Wavelab maybe... maybe I can "Rewire" it. heh. Yes, technically everything I have ever had in hardware exists in software. It's just that's in the form a broken hodge-podge of various vendors and applications. There are simply some elements that I would like to see brought together under a single, seamless interface, for both musical purposes and just good ol' fashioned work-flow reasons.

i reckon i can do pretty much all you ask (and probably a whole lot more) using live4 and its native simpler instrument (although to be fair i WOULD need something like dunks 8LFOs to accomplish the loop start trick i think) ...

... having said that - shortcircuit DOES strike me as a step forward in focussed / specialist VST sampling (or sample playback if you prefer) ...

... if you want exactly what hardware does and feels like then use hardware surely ???

me ??? im more than happy to exist in a software world of interacting applications

slainte rob

You can adjust sample start and sample end in shortcircuit manuall during playback, as well as have LFO's modulate them.
edit: topaz just enlightened me that by clicking on 'forward' and chosing forward loop in the pulldown menu that comes up, you can make loop markers appear for files that have none defined in the .wav


Markus

pHz wrote:

i reckon i can do pretty much all you ask (and probably a whole lot more) using live4 and its native simpler instrument (although to be fair i WOULD need something like dunks 8LFOs to accomplish the loop start trick i think) ... ... having said that - shortcircuit DOES strike me as a step forward in focussed / specialist VST sampling (or sample playback if you prefer) ... ... if you want exactly what hardware does and feels like then use hardware surely ??? me ??? im more than happy to exist in a software world of interacting applications slainte rob

I'm sorry - I'm totally hijacking this thread and using it to complain about VSTi samplers.

On that note:
You're right, this Shortcircuit VSTi is a step in the right direction for software-based sampling. It does have nice filters and what not. I also like the layout. I was going to mention Live and its resampling ability, but - well, I'd be hijacking the thread again. So thanks pHz

I won't complain anymore about these "samplers" I promise.

xRAVENx wrote:

You can adjust sample start and sample end in shortcircuit manuall during playback, as well as have LFO's modulate them. edit: topaz just enlightened me that by clicking on 'forward' and chosing forward loop in the pulldown menu that comes up, you can make loop markers appear for files that have none defined in the .wav Markus

heehee ... matt beat me to it then ... i was just about to type the same thing here ...

slainte rob

It lets you edit the regions/layers, sample start/stop, effects etc. so its a sampler. SFZ on the contrary is a sample player (because it has no editor in itself - yet).

Markus
P.S. the destructive editing you want is a remainder from the hardware samplers, but you can use dedicated audio editing software for that now, which is WAY more comfortable than what hardware samplers have on-board.

ooh

this is visual sample editing in the highest order.

try using it for single drum hits

even without the sample navigation stuff this has almost broken my rule of no more software purchases this year.

I just lost, I was weaker

This is so amazing to make pads sound 'old', just by some nearly random slowish filter modulation, combination of pad samples with different root notes (so the finished pad patch in circuit needs to repitch the layered regions differently) and playing it away from the actual root note(s), you can make things sound.. well.. smooth and warm.. really unique compared to the source material. I'm actually sampling my own synths here, just so i can stick them into circuit.
And I just tried it on a drumloop, too, very yummy


Markus

I've just got word from the designer that a Mac version is planned for the future, although it may be a long way off. I found out from www.soundonsound.com, although there are also forums at www.vemberaudio.com

I can't wait to try this out! (I use a Mac)

Just downloaded and installed the free version (1.01 or such), loaded it up in OPlat 5.8 and it works fine for me. It is pretty slick, I had no problems bringing in a wave, throwing on a filter, assigning a stepped LFO and making my drum loop a LOT more interesting.

The price is a little much, though, especially with the dollar being so freaking weak right now against the Euro.

HI

Just to correct my earlier comments - after playing around a little more I did get this working in Orion - it seems that it defaults a loaded sample on c1 and my keyboard wasn't?

Anyway i found it nice to have everything on just the one page, found a few controls that appeared to stick? , I don't see anything that can't be done elsewhere but it is highly accessable - shame about the price - it's beyond an impulse purchase - thank goodness!

Flipper.

I tried ShortCircuit, and I actually think it's pretty cool. I think the best comparison is to Kontakt, because both are softsamplers designed to be excellent at mangling.

Filters and modulation are nice... and the four note polyphony limit is PER INSTANCE... so you can have more polyphony by simply loading more instances. Of course, you won't get any huge two handed chords... but hey!

A few bad points:
1) CPU usage is a bit high.
2) The GUI is SO LAGGY! I really don't understand this. There's a noticable lag between interacting with the GUI, and getting visual feedback. No other softsynth I've tried is like this!
3) Sample loading default to being mapped to ONLY C1. That's really confusing - I kept loading samples and wondering why I couldn't hear them!
4) Too expensive.

Forever,




Kim.

So this is world's first free beatslicer with waveformview it seems? pretty cool...
would you say that when working with sliced drumloops 2 nut polyphony is enough?

rokkon wrote:

So this is world's first free beatslicer with waveformview it seems? pretty cool... would you say that when working with sliced drumloops 2 nut polyphony is enough?

If your just gonna play the loop straigt then 2 notes are enough.But if you start to build some mad pattern 4 in mono is on the low side, but you could always open up another instance

rokkon wrote:

So this is world's first free beatslicer with waveformview it seems? pretty cool... would you say that when working with sliced drumloops 2 nut polyphony is enough?

Phatmatik Pro? Dicer?

edit: I missed the word 'free'

ConcreteFX had a freebie version of Dicer (or something).

Look in the topic below and there should be a link to FreeDicer.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37290&postdays=0&postord er=asc&start=0

I've never used it so I don't know how good it is.

Caleb

I haven't played with this plugin much yet, but I really like the GUI. I wish more GUIs were this clean, legible, and organized.


take care,
McLilith

ok after much sample mangling I was finally gone make a song with the plug....but as soon as I load another instance the sounds degrades in all instances, seems like some sort of disortion.Anyone else had the same problem.
Using FLstudio by the way, but this also happened in Tracktion

report it on the Shortcircuit forum... he seems very responsive to any issues.

I have the same problem with instances.

You aren't by any chance having cpu overloads? Keep an eye on the cpu meter.

Am I the only one here that thought shortcircuit absolutely sucks? I mean, hello, what silly programmer thought it wise to leave the normal "move whole region with click+drag in the middle" out? Also, wtf is this 'defaults to C1'? It stayed exactly 45 seconds on my HD and then I deleted it. I mean, people, try creating your own slightly more complex patches with more than 20 samples in it.. shortcircuit, indeed.. good name. It shortcircuits my brain!

150 euros? You gotta be kidding me..

- bManic

EDIT: Disclaimer. I really tried to make some patches with it but I simply could not find a way to quickly map out large numbers of samples so I gave up. No help from the manual. Soundwise it's quite nice though.

The 2 things you mentioned can be improved on definitely. And I'm sure they will. But they are like.. SO minor, they don't really annoy me

Markus

I'd like to add here that a truly intuitive and fast to work with sampler was once available and it was called Sampler Channel, or Samplerchan in short. It had built in wave editor, slicer etc. A very inteligent way of mapping samples to keys. It simply separated Velocity editing from sample mapping. First you map samples and then you tweak the velocities. Or at least this is how I'd prefere it. This way you can easily see all layered samples at the same time. You never end up with the dreaded "bring to front" like in HALion to tweak a sample that's beneath a 6 sample layer just because you can't click on it!

Anyways, samplerchan is now dead it seams. I only sent him one mail over and over again and it went like this: Where can I pay?!?

..no answer, ever.

R.I.P Samplerchan, the sampler of my dreams.

- bManic

bmanic wrote:

Am I the only one here that thought shortcircuit absolutely sucks?

Not at all !
I said at the beginning that this is nothing but a
SHORT CIRCUIT.

Thanks for your support, I felt quite lost and alone !

Caleb wrote:

ConcreteFX had a freebie version of Dicer (or something). Look in the topic below and there should be a link to FreeDicer. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37290&postdays=0&postord er=asc&start=0 I've never used it so I don't know how good it is. Caleb

thanks for the tip, it's very basic but nice for a freebie. seems to be monophonic though.

bmanic wrote:

Am I the only one here that thought shortcircuit absolutely sucks?

Not at all !
I said at the beginning that this is nothing but a
SHORT CIRCUIT.

Thanks for your support, I felt quite lost and alone !

xRAVENx wrote:

The 2 things you mentioned can be improved on definitely. And I'm sure they will. But they are like.. SO minor, they don't really annoy me Markus

What do you use a sampler for? If I want SF2 playback there's sfz, if I want mangled up weirdness I use energyXT or Symptohm:Melohman. If I want to create some complex multilayered accoustic instruments, what do I use then? I've yet to find an intuitive sampler that handles this VERY BASIC task well. It's a shame really.

Also, it MUST have a built in wave editor. It's MUCH quicker to do simple non-destructive trim, crop, loop, reverse, cut/copy/paste, inside the sampler than having to tweak each sample separately in an offline app. Again, check out the demo of samplerchannel to understand how amazingly important this is.

Sorry 'bout the madman like ramblings but I find it very sad that nobody has done a "all in one" REAL sampler (which means that it should be capable of SAMPLING also). It's always more intuitive to be able to do everything in one application, in a quick way, while the creative juices are still flowing.

I know EMU has the Emulator-x that does some real sampling but it requires hardware to run.

- bManic

Well mostly because its a waste of resources to develop a sample editor while theres plenty real sample editors out there already.
And I use it in the way I explained on page 1, and in the circuit textures etc. thread.

Markus

I do know one thing... if some took the time to look at the vember forum, one would notice that Claes appears responsive to suggestions and ideas. Some folks are so used to dealing with the likes of NI and Steignberg, where what you see is what you get.. where the users input and suggestions are basically ignored. For that I'm sorry that such individuals have been "trained" by the big guys, and can't possibly contemplate the idea that one's suggestions (if good, and along the lines of the product) can actually make it into the product. Instead, one just accepts what you are given, and bitches here if features are not there.

I tend to seek out developers that are interactive with their user base... I'm getting that feeling about Shortcircuit. I see potential in this sampler.. as opposed to demanding features be existant in it's initial release then bitching about the fact that they aren't.

Why slag it, when you could very well be part of making it better.. or if it really bothers you that much, simply don't use it.

what's missing is a feature to automaticly send a sample to your wave editor and then automaticly reimport it again. vsampler can do this. it would be very easy to implement.

xRAVENx wrote:

You aren't by any chance having cpu overloads? Keep an eye on the cpu meter.

Nope, one note takes from 2%-4% on my system

I love Shortcircuit!!!

This sample player () is so much easier to use than any other. The modulation matrix is way cool, it'll do loop point modulation (that makes sense - not like Kontakt or ChronoX - and those are the only other alternatives), the filters and effects sound GREAT (better than both Kontakt's and Halion's in my opinion).

I'm amazed people are complaining about the price. About 8/9 years ago, I paid £800 for my akai CD3000 with 16Mb of RAM, and only one Low Pass filter, so I find it hard to complain about these prices!.

If you want a very powerful sample mangler, with beat slicing, decent filters, and alot of modulation options, then you couldn't do much worse I think. Akai s5x import is a bonus for me too.

I'm still mystified as to what I could gain from having a sampler, given that I can do most things I can think of via PhatmatikPro or even DR-008. What am I missing?

CypherOne wrote:

given that I can do most things I can think of via PhatmatikPro or even DR-008. What am I missing?

You are missing nothing, the kids just discovered a
modulation matrix...

Let the children play !

CypherOne wrote:

I'm still mystified as to what I could gain from having a sampler, given that I can do most things I can think of via PhatmatikPro or even DR-008. What am I missing?

I think you'd only be missing it if you knew you were missing it already.

Otherwise - there's nothing to see here.

If PhatmatikPro and DR008 is all the sampling you need than keep going with what you already like using.

If you're feeling like these two aren't enough for you and you want to use more modulation options, more filters and inbuilt fx etc.. that's when you start looking around at what else is going on.

Truth is you can do a hell of alot of sampling tasks in an Audio Editor and just use a sampler player for performance. Some people just find some tools more convenient and quick to use than others.

Caleb

cheers guys, glad I've never bought one then...

can this vsti be also a player? ..
when we hit a key , is any way of keep listening the sound of the file we loaded if we unpress the key ..or we have to always have the key pressed...

Midiworks wrote:

CypherOne wrote: given that I can do most things I can think of via PhatmatikPro or even DR-008. What am I missing? You are missing nothing, the kids just discovered a modulation matrix... Let the children play !

OOooooooh!

Choose your weapon:



Fact is, everybody has a different way of working. I love the way people on this forum think that their way is the only way

Untitled211,

just select the playback mode 'forward shot' for the zone you want to 'trigger' playback for.

CypherOne wrote:

I'm still mystified as to what I could gain from having a sampler, given that I can do most things I can think of via PhatmatikPro or even DR-008. What am I missing?

Well both those are squarely aimed at doing drums. The samplers you're probably refering to are more geared to wards recreating & sampling instruments, strings, synths, plucks, pads, guitars etc etc. Most of the bigger samplers now include beatslicing too.

Knowing your music Kris, you could probably live quite happily without having a traditional sampler. But then again, you might find use for one. You won't know unless you try I suppose!

I mean sure, Caleb is right...

But what I dont understand is, why the kids go crazy...
Get Wusikstation in the group buy for $50,
http://www.wusik.com/index.php?pagep=wusikstation/main
then Extream Sample Converter for another $50:
http://www.extranslator.com/en/news.htm
To convert any library into Wusikstation.

That is still $126 cheaper than this SHORT CIRCUIT,
and much much more flexable and powerfull !!!


Download the demos !

CypherOne wrote:

I'm still mystified as to what I could gain from having a sampler, given that I can do most things I can think of via PhatmatikPro or even DR-008. What am I missing?

Most important things you might be missing:
- Being able to play looped sections of material. Not like what you get from DR-008 or Battery, but loops to allow for lenghtening a sound artificially without any noticeable artefacts.
- Global patch adjustments, such as a filter, ADSR, velocity to level response and so on - in short, everything you'll find in the subtractive section of your standard VA.

The most important difference perhaps being that in a traditional sampler you're tweaking groups of zones (or samples, if you like) as one patch, rather than just tweaking individual "cells" (or whatever your drum sampler of choice is calling them).

Midiworks wrote:

But what I dont understand is, why the kids go crazy... Get Wusikstation in the group buy for $50...

Wusikstation and Shortcircuit really aren't that comparable. One is designed to be a wavetable synth on steroids and the other is a sample player & mangler. Sure there may be overlaps in capabilities in certain areas, but the core raison d'etre is quite different.

Wusikstation may be able to play back converted libraries, but its certainly not good for creating your own mulitsampled patches. This task is much better suited to a traditional sampler.

Midiworks wrote:

I mean sure, Caleb is right... But what I dont understand is, why the kids go crazy... Get Wusikstation in the group buy for $50, http://www.wusik.com/index.php?pagep=wusikstation/main then Extream Sample Converter for another $50: http://www.extranslator.com/en/news.htm To convert any library into Wusikstation. That is still $126 cheaper than this SHORT CIRCUIT, and much much more flexable and powerfull !!! Download the demos !

Yeah - I like Wusikstation too for this type of "sampling".

But it's not so good at mapping things from scratch. You need an editor somewhere else and then you have to convert. It's not necessarily that convenient.

I think this sampler is aiming more at the build-it-from-scratch people rather than the library-import people.

It's one of those things though. If you have existing libraries ready to convert to something like Wusikstation, you'll probably wonder what the fuss is all about with this sampler. It doesn't really meet your needs any better than your current solution and at a higher price.

Caleb

ModuLR wrote:

I do know one thing... if some took the time to look at the vember forum, one would notice that Claes appears responsive to suggestions and ideas. Some folks are so used to dealing with the likes of NI and Steignberg, where what you see is what you get.. where the users input and suggestions are basically ignored. For that I'm sorry that such individuals have been "trained" by the big guys, and can't possibly contemplate the idea that one's suggestions (if good, and along the lines of the product) can actually make it into the product. Instead, one just accepts what you are given, and bitches here if features are not there. I tend to seek out developers that are interactive with their user base... I'm getting that feeling about Shortcircuit. I see potential in this sampler.. as opposed to demanding features be existant in it's initial release then bitching about the fact that they aren't. Why slag it, when you could very well be part of making it better.. or if it really bothers you that much, simply don't use it.

This attitude works fine with software like energyXT and you know why? Coz it doesn't cost 150 euros. If I'm gona spend such a sum I sure as hell have the right to demand/expect certain features. The "big boys" usually deliver a full featureset from the get go (but unfortunately usually pestered with bugs).

Cheers!
bManic

Rozzer wrote:

Wusikstation may be able to play back converted libraries, but its certainly not good for creating your own mulitsampled patches. This task is much better suited to a traditional sampler.

I was prepaired for this one, voila !

Convert several WAV files to a single WusikSND file.
You can split multi-sampled files by Key Zone or Key Velocity

http://www.wusik.com/index.php?pagep=wusikstation/downloadshttp://www. wusik.com/index.php?pagep=wusikstation/downloads

[quote="Rozzer"]

CypherOne wrote:

Knowing your music Kris, you could probably live quite happily without having a traditional sampler.

Ah, you mean you need talent to use one...

[quote="CypherOne"]

Rozzer wrote:

CypherOne wrote: Knowing your music Kris, you could probably live quite happily without having a traditional sampler. Ah, you mean you need talent to use one...

So, when you do decide to check em out, you should have no problems

I just wanted to continue the praise on Short and its developer. I posted on his forum last night about the problem I was having with Short, and today I got a fixed version

Midiworks wrote:

Rozzer wrote: Wusikstation may be able to play back converted libraries, but its certainly not good for creating your own mulitsampled patches. This task is much better suited to a traditional sampler. I was prepaired for this one, voila ! Convert several WAV files to a single WusikSND file. You can split multi-sampled files by Key Zone or Key Velocity http://www.wusik.com/index.php?pagep=wusikstation/downloadshttp://www. wusik.com/index.php?pagep=wusikstation/downloads

I never implied it couldn't be done. Just that a dedicated sampler makes it ALOT easier.

To quote the Wusikstation manual itself:

Quote:

Wusikstation is not a sampler. I hope you noticed....

thanks xRAVEN...

just jumping into this thread.. not installing anyting for a few more weeks.. what's this 'frequency shift' process about??

I would buy this if it were $100 cheaper
In the meantime theres so many other great things like SFZ and stuff. I definately see the benefit of this program, but since the cost is so high (for me) I'd have to not use it

RonC

Midiworks wrote:

I mean sure, Caleb is right... But what I dont understand is, why the kids go crazy... Get Wusikstation in the group buy for $50, http://www.wusik.com/index.php?pagep=wusikstation/main then Extream Sample Converter for another $50: http://www.extranslator.com/en/news.htm To convert any library into Wusikstation. That is still $126 cheaper than this SHORT CIRCUIT, and much much more flexable and powerfull !!! Download the demos !

Remind me that I'm not spending YOUR money dipshit! so why do you care, and why do you continue to troll and slag software that you don't even really use, nor intend to. This shit is getting annoying..

modulr relax youre far above him and people like him. I wish I could afford this program, and its all because YOU recommended it, i dont listen to this WUSUX guy, he's probably paid to say this stuff.

Anyways i do thank you for showing us all tracktioneers this program, it definately gives me things to think about and look forward to! (maybe someday ill have a job where i can buy things like this)

RonC

bmanic wrote:

I tend to seek out developers that are interactive with their user base... I'm getting that feeling about Shortcircuit. I see potential in this sampler.. as opposed to demanding features be existant in it's initial release then bitching about the fact that they aren't.

This just demonstrates what you consider valuable. To each his own. If a plugin assist in me accomplishing my goal, and I find it creatively inspiring then it has value... whether you perceive that value in the same light ultimately doesn't matter.

ModuLR wrote:

Remind me that I'm not spending YOUR money dipshit! so why do you care, and why do you continue to troll and slag software that you don't even really use, nor intend to. This shit is getting annoying..

Just like you can not watch your mouth and your brain,
I keep on saying what I think about a soft,
that I have tried from its first release on.

And I will, as always, show people alternatives,
if you like it or not.

Are you KGB and want to denail free speech ?
I really wonder...

rpc9943 wrote:

i dont listen to this WUSUX guy, he's probably paid to say this stuff.

that wasn't called for. ok, it was, but please behave.

anyway, I share Caleb's and ModulR's view on this.

k

not that it matters anyway.

Some people mistake harrassment for free speech.
Seriously though, it kinda makes someone look like a total moron when he talks about things in such a way that shows he obviously did not grasp the concept of a tool nor the posibilities made available by said concept. Also, patronizing people who actually did grasp the tool does not improve the light into which that person is putting himself.
Of course we all have shitty days, so I hope this whole argument goes past rather soon.


Markus

xoxos wrote:

just jumping into this thread.. not installing anyting for a few more weeks.. what's this 'frequency shift' process about??

yous guys are busy.. ? i should start anuvver thread?

Well its the same thing ohmforce hematohm does..
I can't really explain sufficiently how its done, I only know it changes harmonics, but doesn't change the base frequencies of a sound. So pitch doesn't change, but the character can change totally.
Maybe someone who has a more thorough understanding of this could elaborate.

Markus

shifting the spectral content but not pitch, eg. formant shifting? yumyumyum

i'm hatching in ~ a week so preferring not to install anythnig new until then jic.. will have to remember this until then :d

ta for the info

xRAVENx wrote:

Well its the same thing ohmforce hematohm does.. I can't really explain sufficiently how its done, I only know it changes harmonics, but doesn't change the base frequencies of a sound. So pitch doesn't change, but the character can change totally. Maybe someone who has a more thorough understanding of this could elaborate. Markus

Nope. Incorrect.

Frequency shifting is best described as the "evil twin" of pitch shifting. Pitch shifting can also be seen as frequency scaling because the frequencies are multiplied such that the overtones retain their relationship to the fundamental.

With frequency shifting, the overtones are added (or subtracted), not multiplied. This means that the overtones lose their relationship with the fundamental, and you get inharmonic noise.

Frequency shifting is also sometimes known as "single-sideband ringmodulation" because the effect is similar to ringmodulating a signal with a sine wave, but only taking the sum or the difference - not both at once.

Hope that helps.

Forever,




Kim.

Kim,

did you read what I wrote before you said nope incorrect?

Markus

xRAVENx wrote:

Kim, did you read what I wrote before you said nope incorrect? Markus

Yes. You said the fundamental (you called it the "base frequency") doesn't change. That's incorrect - the fundamental (whatever frequency it's at) will change by exactly the same degree (in hertz) as every other frequency present in the sound.

forever,




Kim.

I dunno, I quoted the Predatohm manual there. And when I tried the stuff, the fundamentals (i.e. pitch) did not change.

xRAVENx wrote:

I dunno, I quoted the Predatohm manual there.

You mean the Hematohm manual?

xRAVENx wrote:

And when I tried the stuff, the fundamentals (i.e. pitch) did not change.

Perhaps you were using only very small values? At small values, the character of the sound changes much more than the perceived pitch. The pitch does change, but only slightly - whereas the change in character is much more pronounced.

Of course, at larger values, the pitch change is greater, but the complete transformation of the sound somewhat masks the fact that the pitch is shifted.

Forever,




Kim.

err, yeah, hematohm of course. The ohm frequency shifter anyway. And in the manual it said what I quoted (well bar the 'base' frequencies).
I mean its emphasized in there that not the pitch but the harmonics are affected.. gee read my initial post.

xRAVENx wrote:

err, yeah, hematohm of course.

Your credibility has plummeted to below zero..

All your base are belong to us..

rpc9943 wrote:

modulr relax youre far above him and people like him. I wish I could afford this program, and its all because YOU recommended it, i dont listen to this WUSUX guy, he's probably paid to say this stuff. RonC

Ahh..good to see you again, ShitHead..

Uhm sickle, what exactly are you doing in this thread again?

xRAVENx wrote:

Uhm sickle, what exactly are you doing in this thread again?

What? I'm not invited?

I was making a joke, but we can always get serious about it if you wanna..

Its all fun'n games until someone cries again!

Good to hear it is humoring. It just sounded a little edgy.
Anyway, tried circuit yet?

Jeez wrote:

Nope. Incorrect.

jeez :p

xRAVENx wrote:

Its all fun'n games until someone cries again! Good to hear it is humoring. It just sounded a little edgy. Anyway, tried circuit yet?

Indeed. I think it's great, but it's outside my working enviornment, which is Reaktor these days..It does seem to be a pretty shnazzy sampler. If I can get away from Reaktor long enough, I'm gonna spend some time with it.

Comparing and/or slagging Wusikstation is a crock of shit, though..(not directed at you XRAVENx..Why is it everytime there's a new instrument an existing one needs to get placed in a fucking oubliette?

Carry on..

I don't think the guy was slacking off wusikstation (I'm one of the betatesters of wusik btw, so I certainly won't be prone to support someone in doing so either). He was just a little flabbergasted by the comparison (apples and oranges), like so many have been made in this thread by people who don't seem to realize what it is thats unique currently in this combination in the sampler at hand.
Anyway.. can't we just talk about the tools and their creative use, instead of these penis comparisons with the tools we bought

xRAVENx wrote:

Anyway.. can't we just talk about the tools and their creative use, instead of these penis comparisons with the tools we bought

As if you wouldn't know the answer allready...

ModuLR wrote:

bmanic (EDIT: ModuLR really) wrote: I tend to seek out developers that are interactive with their user base... I'm getting that feeling about Shortcircuit. I see potential in this sampler.. as opposed to demanding features be existant in it's initial release then bitching about the fact that they aren't. This just demonstrates what you consider valuable. To each his own. If a plugin assist in me accomplishing my goal, and I find it creatively inspiring then it has value... whether you perceive that value in the same light ultimately doesn't matter.

I'm not totally sure what you wanted to say as you quoted yourself and put my name under it..

Note, I'm not slagging anybody for using Shortcircuit. If you like it then good for you. I just say my own opinion about the software itself and IMHO it really is not very good, yet.

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic, sorry for the misquote... got distracted at work and kinda picked up where I thought I left off (not realizing I quoted the wrong thing).

In any case, as mentioned to each his own...