OK check it out, It's HUGE and is that a Touch Screen?

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Oceanzen wrote:

OK check it out, It's HUGE and is that a Touch Screen?

It would be polite if you at least gave credit before posting the images/URL's I made and posted on other forums

And yes, likely a touch screen. If the rumoured $7,000 price is anywhere near true then I honestly think this will just move more people over to using PC's..

What's that?!?!

Oasys II keyboard?

spritex wrote:

What's that?!?! Oasys II keyboard?

More or less
Wavetable synthesis is almost a cert. DVDRW/HD built in. 8 faders/rotary encoders, multi track audio recording, lots of lights.. The encoders seem like they light up around the edges, Nord style, and the blue glo joystick

Still, $7000? I don't think there will be many takers if that price is what they really expect people to pay. "Open architecture" or not, you could buy an awful lot of gear for that.. and still have room left over for a PC and some nice software.

Well that wouldn't suggest an Oasys II ... Oasys was very much about physical modelling and excellent synth/fx algorithms.

Anyway, I found this thread:
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=e8759b21e6 fa462605148b767442cc9d&threadid=822655

Too early to say what it is, really...

EDIT: There seems to be a teaser on the front page of the Korg site at www.korg.com

Wow! so you mean I can go buy the legacy package for my already fully loaded sweet pc and I'll be able to blow away the new Korg Tragedy?

This sucks, lol. And I'm a huge Korg fan owning a few of their synths.

Maybe they should do something we give a crap about? Less gimmicks please.

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Well ExCuse me for passing on the news!

Everyone Big up PAK (He the man who owns this news)

Alfalfa wrote:

Or set in their minds that they want this thing when the price drops to something more reasonable.

If the prices are that sky high I think you'll be looking into the next decade before it approached "reasonable" in most peoples books

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Triton + a Mac + host software and it's pretty close to equal

You're still a few thousand short, even with the overpriced Apple, unless you mean a Studio 88 key (and even then, you'd have change )

the question is, why would people who already own a Triton and a decent PC buy the Korg Tragedy?

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The lofty price tag is rumor and speculation. Let's see what this thing really is....and what it sells for. Just a couple weeks away!

Alfalfa wrote:

Korg would be smarter if they went for the average user right off the bat. Too bad really.

What access do you have to their sales and marketing data? Or do you think that after 40 years or so they hav eno idea what the're doing?
Judging by the teaser on the KORG site, it looks like a fully-blown set-up in a single box. If the screen is decent, i.e. no paging through shitloads of menus, I can see it being the duck's guts. Price not withstanding, the only put-off for me would be it's bulk and weight. I can see considerable value in a keyboard with all the convenience of my PC plus a shitload of dedicated DSP power. Maybe they'll do a 3-octave keyboard version!?!

KvR is hiccuping again.

Hmmmm.....Waldorf Wave springs to mind, and look where Waldorf ended up. Although I would imagine Korg have a bit more fat in the system.

I can actually see that it could be a success depending on the specs. If it truly is as flexible as a PC - if you can load in 3rd party stuff as well as just Korg proprietary s/w - if you can use it as a full DAW - if it has good quality DACs and has useable inputs as well as outputs it would be worth it.
If it's just Korg sonic stuff and you end up having to still use a DAW, then it'll flop, no matter how flashy. It'll be the sort of synth that Eurotechno bands hire for a week when they appear on Top of the Pops, then hand it back when they make actual music.


Must admit it does look the dog's bollocks though. And I like blue lights - not used enough IMO - very expensive blue lights though.

When are the people at Korg going to get through their pointed little skulls that a lot of us prefer wheels instead of a joystick?
ew

trappist wrote:

The lofty price tag is rumor and speculation. Let's see what this thing really is....and what it sells for. Just a couple weeks away!

And if you look at that picture, you'll find that it is a 88 keys version. The current top of the range 88 keys version of the Triton has a list price of 5500,- €uro, which would be about $7300.- Dollar. Hence nothing too unusual here about the price.

kritikon wrote:

Hmmmm.....Waldorf Wave springs to mind, and look where Waldorf ended up.

So you really think a synth released in 1993 would be the reason for a company to go bankrupt in 2004 (more than 10 years later)?

ew wrote:

When are the people at Korg going to get through their pointed little skulls that a lot of us prefer wheels instead of a joystick? ew

I always hated the pitch bend wheel and much prefered the Roland bender, and even more now the Clavia pitch stick.

dr.wackler wrote:

ew wrote: When are the people at Korg going to get through their pointed little skulls that a lot of us prefer wheels instead of a joystick? ew I always hated the pitch bend wheel and much prefered the Roland bender, and even more now the Clavia pitch stick.

The NL2 pitch stick and mod wheel were among my favorite hardware aspects of it. Alas, it didn't suit me musically.

Doug

kritikon wrote:

If it's just Korg sonic stuff and you end up having to still use a DAW, then it'll flop, no matter how flashy.

Why would you say that? Do you feel that KORG have no idea how to write good software? The Legacy Collection, Oasys and the awesome stuff they put in their current workstations would indicate to me that if they cover all the bases there will be more than enough quality to make you forget you ever used a computer for audio. My only qualm is the interface, which could be brilliant but I'm not betting on it.

BONES, I think the beef, if they did lock the system into their own SW, would be lack of choice.

All jokes aside. Korg does make great stuff, but nobody wants their music to all sound like it came out of the same box.

That was never a problem for me with my O1R/W or Trinity so I doubt it would plague anything this much more advanced.

" jokes aside. Korg does make great stuff, but nobody wants their music to all sound like it came out of the same box."

If you use external samples and the onboard physical modelling options found on korgs (the moss/z1_ option this is never a problem. Of course I would export to multitrack PC unit for mastering/mixing.

Well, the Triton workstation will be called the Oasys. This is probably going to be a very powerful workstation. How it sounds? That's the real question.

Montana wrote:

Well, the Triton workstation will be called the Oasys. This is probably going to be a very powerful workstation. How it sounds? That's the real question.

If it sounds anything like the Oasys PCI there is nothing to worry about...

But I still don't believe it will be an Oasys, even if I see the promising hints like the small cryptic picture...

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kritikon wrote: If it's just Korg sonic stuff and you end up having to still use a DAW, then it'll flop, no matter how flashy. Why would you say that? Do you feel that KORG have no idea how to write good software? The Legacy Collection, Oasys and the awesome stuff they put in their current workstations would indicate to me that if they cover all the bases there will be more than enough quality to make you forget you ever used a computer for audio. My only qualm is the interface, which could be brilliant but I'm not betting on it.

No...they write some pretty good software, but I still wouldn't want just one style of sound - a Korg filter sounds completely different from other company's filters. That's the exact reason so many synth users have more than one make of synth and continue to do so. And it's not just filters that determine sonic character. I don't know of anyone who relies on one softsynth (and some of them have a huge number of features) so likewise I don't know of anyone who would rely on one h/w synth either (no matter how well featured). Back in the day, the M1 was the be-all-and-end-all. This wonderful new workstation that could sequence, was multitimbral, massive polyphony at the time, FX - a whole new world of everything-in-one synth- you could write whole songs on it you know. Well I tried and they sounded particularly one-dimensional songs.

So unless this new great do-it-all synth has access to 3rd party stuff, I gaurantee any song made on it will sound equally one-dimensional. I've never ever, not once used any synth that was wide-ranging enough to make complete songs in any style on it. Right through from home keyboards, S&S workstations, rack modules stuffed full of memory boards, modelling synths etc.

So it may be a very good synth...but I seriously doubt there will be a huge number of buyers at that price. There aren't enough gullible people who'll believe it's the holy grail answer to synths. Maybe if it's got the MS20, Wavestation, Polysix, Z1 modelling, Oasys, S&S junk all included...it could be seen as a good deal depending on how it all interacts and works. To get anyone to spend $7000 or whatever on a h/w synth...it's got to have a real attraction, not just more of the same but fancier. Alesis can charge big for Andromedas because it has a unique attraction - analogue with all of today's features. Modulars, likewise because you can do stuff on them that no ordinary synth can do. Even things like Viruses have unique attractions - decent filters that actually sound analogue and a huge flabby uncontrolled and overboosted bass (get the mpression I don't like them ) but nevertheless the kids love 'em specifically because they sound bassy etc. So the Korg has to have some unique character too.

Bones- you yourself are always telling us that you can do all sorts of things with a PC and little else. Compare the portability, size etc of a PC (or even laptop nowadays) with a lightweight controller against something like the korg (which looks pretty hefty). To compete against that, it has to have all that a PC can do and more because a PC costs maybe half that together with software!

So to attract the PC people it's got to be good.

To attract the h/w synth people it's gotta be fucking excellent at that price, because I could buy a full modular analogue, 2 or 3 Ions, Viruses etc, An S&S synth and probably one or two good classic analogue synths and look like Dr Who behind them too.

To attract the people inbetween who maybe want to get mixer, DAW and synth all in one, and forsake their other synths (which many would have to do to buy it) then it's got to have all the control and flexibility that they're used to with their mixers etc. The Korg looks like it's got quite a few sliders etc - could be useful, but can it compete with a set of full channel strips? We've yet to see, I suppose.

I'm not immediately knocking it - it could be very very good. But the rumour mill (also no doubt to be fuelled by Korg themselves) insinuates it's got everything we could want. Good on them if it does. It will have to be very well featured.

I would even consider it myself if it really can give me a mini mixer that'll control things like FX levels, mutes, and a decent number of synth parameters and tell me in big LEDs what they are too, and a few other things. I like the look of the decent sized screen too. But it needs more than just what they've already produced (which I can buy cheaper elsewhere) all packaged in one.

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And if you look at that picture, you'll find that it is a 88 keys version. The current top of the range 88 keys version of the Triton has a list price of 5500,- €uro, which would be about $7300.- Dollar. Hence nothing too unusual here about the price.

Yeah, a $7000 list would be unusual. In the US, the Triton Extreme 88 lists for $3600 and the Triton Studio 88 list for $4200. Even the much touted Kurzweil K2600XS 88 lists for $5190.

""So unless this new great do-it-all synth has access to 3rd party stuff, I gaurantee any song made on it will sound equally one-dimensional. I've never ever, not once used any synth that was wide-ranging enough to make complete songs in any style on it. Right through from home keyboards, S&S workstations, rack modules stuffed full of memory boards, modelling synths etc. ""


I disagree. That may be the case with the M1 - but the Triton line allows for complete customization. You can load up external samples, blow out all the user settings and patches. Plus you have the advanced synthesis and 13 models of the moss/z1 option. With the Triton, you can easily make stuff that doesn't sound one dimensional. I sure as hell wouldnt master anything in the Triton though.



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So it may be a very good synth...but I seriously doubt there will be a huge number of buyers at that price.""


probably true. What we will likely see is trickle down products that may be interesting.



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There aren't enough gullible people who'll believe it's the holy grail answer to synths. Maybe if it's got the MS20, Wavestation, Polysix, Z1 modelling, Oasys, S&S junk all included...it could be seen as a good deal depending on how it all interacts and works. ""


This is a good point.




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To get anyone to spend $7000 or whatever on a h/w synth...it's got to have a real attraction, not just more of the same but fancier. ""



yep.




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Alesis can charge big for Andromedas because it has a unique attraction - analogue with all of today's features. Modulars, likewise because you can do stuff on them that no ordinary synth can do. Even things like Viruses have unique attractions - decent filters that actually sound analogue and a huge flabby uncontrolled and overboosted bass (get the mpression I don't like them ) but nevertheless the kids love 'em specifically because they sound bassy etc. So the Korg has to have some unique character too. ""

this is true. But I also think you forget about the guys who are just PC-phobic. A triton classic with moss combined with tracktion and reaktor will blow away any 5000$ workstation in terms of options and flexibility. But to guys who dont know how to build, take care of or really operate a PC- they dont want anything to do with them.


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Bones- you yourself are always telling us that you can do all sorts of things with a PC and little else. Compare the portability, size etc of a PC (or even laptop nowadays) with a lightweight controller against something like the korg (which looks pretty hefty). To compete against that, it has to have all that a PC can do and more because a PC costs maybe half that together with software! ""

For live use the Korg workstation simply blows a laptop out of the water in most cases. For studio use? Give me a laptop with a good audio/seq program , some vst's, samples and effects.

The song combinations and work setups on the Triton make it an incredible piece of live gear.100% reliable too.





""etc. The Korg looks like it's got quite a few sliders etc - could be useful, but can it compete with a set of full channel strips? We've yet to see, I suppose. ""

probably not. It's just stuff for the PC impaired.


""I would even consider it myself if it really can give me a mini mixer that'll control things like FX levels, mutes, and a decent number of synth parameters and tell me in big LEDs what they are too, and a few other things. I like the look of the decent sized screen too. But it needs more than just what they've already produced (which I can buy cheaper elsewhere) all packaged in one.""


yep.

Kritikon, the Oasys PCI has at least three different flavours of filters, Minimoog, Prophet 5 and the "oasys" ones. The Legacy MS20 filter is different than all of those again.

Also, an Oasys based system would be way more versatile sonically than an Andromeda and almost anything else for that matter...

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yeah this may be shaping up to be pretty cool.

I think it may turn people away from the PC for music making at least part time. Perhaps there is a hidden cove of people who want to create away from the world of Bill Gates.

It is fairly easy to get distracted on the PC as opposed to a full integrated system meant for nothing but music.

[quote="Alfalfa" As for cost, add a Triton, a computer, an audio interface, a mixer, and cables -- more expensive than even this rumored price.[/quote]

And if you look at that picture, you'll find that it is a 88 keys version. The current top of the range 88 keys version of the Triton has a list price of 5500,- €uro, which would be about $7300.- Dollar. Hence nothing too unusual here about the rumored price.

Alfalfa wrote:

If I could make music without ever turning on a computer, I think that would be great.

Guitar is pretty useful, so are keyboards, flutes, violins etc.. etc..

Acolmiztli wrote:

Alfalfa wrote: If I could make music without ever turning on a computer, I think that would be great. Guitar is pretty useful, so are keyboards, flutes, violins etc.. etc..

Not to mention kazoos
ew

spritex wrote:

Kritikon, the Oasys PCI has at least three different flavours of filters, Minimoog, Prophet 5 and the "oasys" ones. The Legacy MS20 filter is different than all of those again.

Plus all the third Party ones: Juno, etc.

spritex wrote:

Also, an Oasys based system would be way more versatile sonically than an Andromeda and almost anything else for that matter...

Yep. Its the only synth that, If I were to produce an "in the box" song, wouldn't sound like it was all coming from one box. Even my mighty MOTIF Rack couldn't do that.

So is this going to be the new Synclavier, or what? It's practically as expensive as one..

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So is this going to be the new Synclavier, or what? It's practically as expensive as one..

Not even close to the Synclavier price! Maybe a Fairlight.....

Synclaviers....hehehe...yeah, I remember they weren't just expensive, they were ludicrous!. $7500 in todays money is a spit in the ocean compared to what things like those cost in yesterdays money.

This Korg thingummy would be the equivalent of a stylophone.....

...I wonder if it has a physical model of a Stylophone? That would be a first for Korg - that just could be the real selling attraction?

It's Korg's new virtual Theremin

o.

New Korg masterpiece will play hammond like sound, perharps Additive too ...

ew wrote:

When are the people at Korg going to get through their pointed little skulls that a lot of us prefer wheels instead of a joystick? ew

NO, No....
I HATE wheels, not sophisticated enough, old,
"impractical" style, I LIKE joystick, and it's
"variations" such as Roland's stuff, so U can bend, and add mod. (vibrato) just with ONE finger...

Alfalfa wrote:

If I could make music without ever turning on a computer, I think that would be great. As for cost, add a Triton, a computer, an audio interface, a mixer, and cables -- more expensive than even this rumored price.

AGREED!!!
I am sick of DLL's EXE's BAT's VST's VSTI's processor overloads, slow screen redraws, CRT's TFT's
PCI's DMA's slow USB's and specialy Bill Gates (I'm on MAC but have also very "powerfull" P.C.) I hate latency, plug-in delay compensation, mixing with mouse, listening to awfull DA converters, system crashes....
I LIKE HARDWARE!!!! anybody else on board?????

Give me a MicroKorg over that bloated monstrosity anyday.

Old habits are hard to break, I guess.

[quote="slowstar"}

AGREED!!!
I am sick of DLL's EXE's BAT's VST's VSTI's processor overloads, slow screen redraws, CRT's TFT's
PCI's DMA's slow USB's and specialy Bill Gates (I'm on MAC but have also very "powerfull" P.C.) I hate latency, plug-in delay compensation, mixing with mouse, listening to awfull DA converters, system crashes....
I LIKE HARDWARE!!!! anybody else on board?????[/quote]

I like hardware AND software.

Specs are posted over on Harmony Central in their keys forum. Very long so I haven't copied/pasted here. According to the poster, they came from a guy on the SOS boards who has provided reliable info on Korg products in the past.

A real monster but I'd be shocked if it's under 5 grand street.

What?!?!?!?

They call it an oasys and there's no PhM? Come on...


BTW here's the link to the specs at HC.

mjones4th wrote:

What?!?!?!? They call it an oasys and there's no PhM? Come on...

reminds me of roland.
they released a $600 rompler and called it Juno.

-ugo

It's not exactly what I was waiting for as an Oasys PCI owner, since it does indeed lack most of the physical models etc.

BUT, you can read in the specs elsewhere that:

OASYS Options
...
EXs Expansion Samples: Expansion PCM Libraries
EXi Expansion Instruments: Expansion Instrument Libraries
EXf Expansion Effects: Expansion Effect Libraries

Look at the latter two. Those bundled VA and Organ synths are just two of such EXi's I think. There will probably be more in the future...

Also, they seem to have included the O-verb from the card for example.

If their basic architecture is now flexible like this, it's a good platform to base other products on and add to.

There are also lots of little touches I like, such as a general LFO for FX modulation if I understood right. And the Karma/Wavesequencing sure is interesting.

I myself am not looking for a all-in-one workstation, but I am sure they will bring out more specialized synthesizer stuff based on this...

The question is if Korg continue to developp CMT softsynth, an incredible issus would be that Korg developp both Exi & Vsti, Fxi & Vst expansions ... hihi, we can dream of it ...

Uhm, its about $7000, its still only at 48hkz, One could purchase a Kyma workstation and a Virus TI for the same price. The Kyma does 100KHZ in and can do any type of synthesis possible (except noodle synthesis: that isn't even real ) and the TI does 192Khz in I called korg and they said they might be able to expand it due to Open architecture in the future,...but we all know how well they supported the Oasys PCI. It still only has a 16 track sequencer.....You could also purchase a hardware Hartmann Neuron,...A used wavestation and a real analog (not analog modeling) for cheaper and they are all individually better than the individual aspects of the Oasys,....hey can u tell i dont like the idea even for half the price it sells for????

Someone else wrote it had a dvd/rw
I believe that is wrong(i could be wrong as well) It only has a cdrw
The only reason i am writing this article is because i know someone somewhere who can't afford this is haveing a manic buying impulse,...quit it, a couple years from now Korg should realize,...If they want to get into the vsti market, not get warezed, they need to up their sample rates and use their keyboards to develop their own proprietary software plugs,...like Creamware does,...I dont think Creamware gets their proper credit,...absolutely beutiful third party plugs and once again, it aint cracked. So warez people cant get at it.

Someone from wusik.com wrote 10years too late in another forum i think,...their absolutely right this was already out of date before it was even released....

I watched the demo of this synth while i ate my pizza at namm. i was thoroughly unimpressed with the presenter, not the synth. also the fact that he was showing this off for a "space-country" genre of music didnt really do it for me. the only word that came to mind while watching this was a three letter word that starts with G

obviously not marketed for my age group and interest, but i am curious to learn more about it.