whats up everybody, just wondering how many ppl use vst i to make hip hop. i'm thinking about getting a midi controller instead of a synth but i'm having trouble finding good vst's for hip hop any body know any good ones and i'm also finding it hard to get good drums for hip hop through vst every sound sounds out dated any feedback would help greatly.

thanks

You will learn at KVR that there is no "Hip Hop Vsti". There are ways to get hip hop sounds out of many vsti's, but I doubt many designers made their VST with hip hop in mind. First off, what kind of VST are you looking for? a synth? Drum machine? effect? Sampler?

Ok, I usually don't reply to these, but today caught me on a good one...

Basically it boils down to two options:

1) Construction kits. Lots of fun for a "look at me! I'm making hip hop!" approach. Really quick as well, and no need to actually learn anything. Otherwise limited, and not as satisfying as doing it from scratch.

2) Do it yourself. This is how "real" hip hop is made. Any instrument can be used for hip hop, but you will have to do some work to shape it to your taste.

Forever,




Kim.

i'm lookin for both syth and drums

For an all computer hip-hop set-up, I would get the following programs:

FL5 Producer's Edition for sequencing:
LinPlug RM IV for drums, (and a sample CD from eBay with a ton of drum .wav files...they usually cost $9.99)
Sampletank2 or Proteus X
MiniMoog V

That will keep you busy for years.

Also download the free synths Superwave and Synth1 from this site and you'll be set for any kind of hip-hop you would ever want to do.

Then of course you will need vinyl, a turntable, monitors, and a midi controller. Maybe a mic, preamp, and a soundcard as well.

I forget the address, but there's a website that contains HQ samples of every popular Drum machine, including Roland's TR series. This would be very helpful. Anyone remember the URL?

Hip Hop aint music.

: )

Chase wrote:

I forget the address, but there's a website that contains HQ samples of every popular Drum machine, including Roland's TR series. This would be very helpful. Anyone remember the URL?

maybe
http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/index.html

or
http://www.vintagesynth.org/index2.html

I've also found drum synth packs at

http://www.modarchive.com/

ouroboros wrote:

Chase wrote: I forget the address, but there's a website that contains HQ samples of every popular Drum machine, including Roland's TR series. This would be very helpful. Anyone remember the URL? maybe http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/index.html or http://www.vintagesynth.org/index2.html I've also found drum synth packs at http://www.modarchive.com/

It was none of those. this is gonna drive me insane. It's on the mega sample sit list, but that doesn't exactly narrow it down.

Here it is:
http://machines.hyperreal.org/samples.html

For rap/hip hop, get the roland tr-808/909 samples.

I've recognized from a couple of hiphop songs that there's DR-008 creating at lest some of the beats. For example the Usher's music video where the guy's standing on some stage with a black background and there are blue lasers and stuff... In that song there's definitely DR-008's claps in the mix.

I've spotted one or two more of those in the last couple of months, but I can't remember the songs, since I generally don't like hiphop

Draagen wrote:

Hip Hop aint music. : )

Now theres something clever that has never been said before. You should win poster of the week hands down.

Depends what type of hiphop you're into I suppose, but I would have thought a decent sample player would be the first major requirement. Lots and lots of samples being used in hiphop that I hear - or vinyl being messed about with - either way, a sampler can do it.

The ones that actually play their own music seem to veer more towards R'n'B etc.


And anyway, whatsisname is right....it ain't music...it's just shouting over the top of somebody else's record innit?

The only dedicated hip hop vsti I know of is Plugsound vol. 4 - hip hop toolkit.
Great drums and bass, decent ep/rhodes, synths and fx are not that good imo.

Oh please, don't get charmed by these "toolkit" crap!

Like Jeez already said, they'll give you "that cool instant hip hop sound" like putting instant noodles into a microwave.
If you want instant sound, go for the toolkits and drum libraries. But someone browsing the presets of a loop library and getting his melodies out of a MIDI file library ain't a musician. Keep that in mind.

Armadillo wrote:

The only dedicated hip hop vsti I know of is Plugsound vol. 4 - hip hop toolkit. Great drums and bass, decent ep/rhodes, synths and fx are not that good imo.

I've heard it. Some bass sounds ar ok. As a whole - I wouldn't recommend it (was only browsing thru presets once, tho).

hey thanks everybody for giving me feedback and i do agree that using kits is not making music but at the same time u might be able to find something to tweak or change up but i do agree hip hop is making something from nothing. and hip hop is real music what music do you listen to draggen. and to trusty i have an mpc 2000 xl and was lookin into getting a triton extreme but then i stumbled on to vst i and it looks good lots of plugins and sounds can be made and i ve been into sampling so i'm now wanting to get into real sounding stuff and playing it out on midi into the mpc.

thanks to everybody for replying

Man, you guys know nothing about hip-hop. Go here for some better help.

www.futureproducers.com

Draagen wrote:

Hip Hop aint music. : )

Mind telling me what it is then?

NoLimits3D wrote:

Man, you guys know nothing about hip-hop. Go here for some better help. www.futureproducers.com

Err... Hip Hop is ReBirth and some scratching then? Plus some additional MPC?
At least that's what the tutorials look like...

someone can drop that link to the "now you're hip hop!" package thingy

oc all your sounds seem outdated.. you're making it, not hearing it.

pretending you havne't been listening to the same sound for the last three weeks is just another necessary skill for a producer. clue: there is no future, everythnig is futuristic from a consumerist perspective. most sounds are only going to seem interesting for the first couple of seconds you hear them, which will get shorter..

that said, the hip hoppists i know use anythnig to make music. i've heard albums of tracks done with 4op fm sounds. if you're making music and going "all the cool sounds are used up, i'm only finding lame sounds" then tbh you don't have a clue about it. it's the synergy of use.. the presentation of a 'new arrangement' that draws te lsitener in. all the excitement about "new sound.." nihil novus sub solam :p

just make something, use anything.. then you will see.

xoxos wrote:

nihil novus sub solam :p

as true as true can be

Okay, here we go.

These hip hop debates seem to spring up here on the regular these days. Always someone asking what I should use to make beats. Most of the answers are correct in that the guys say use anything to make beats. This is true, the key is in how you put it together not so much what "sound" you're using. To put it in perspective I have to date written or collaborated on about 300 released tracks. I sold two tracks this weekend which all the sounds were from a JV-2080 which I've been using for about five years. I get most of my drums from sampling records into my MPC-2000. THe rest come from samples and soundfonts. As for VSTs I get usable sounds from each one that I've purchased. Here is a list of my favorites:

Kontakt- samples and soundfonts for drums.
Anamark II- anything from digital pianos to lead synths and pads.
CronoX2 - basses and synth sounds
Vstation - basses and synths
Z3ta+ - phat ass leads synths and just about anything else.
Albino - everything from drums to SFX to pads, you name it.
Sampletank - all kinds of general purpose sounds usually pianos and strings. I have the Sonic Synth I sounds.
Absynth - wierd shit and pads.

Hardware: MPC-2000 and many crates of vinyl. Korg Z1, and JV-2080 (fully loaded).

Haven't had any problems coming up with new songs. Me and the two other producers I work with regularly put out from two to three tracks a week. Some are for well known hip hop artists others go to guys trying to find a record deal. Regardless we are using what some would call dated equipment. Nevertheless, It works for us. By the way I use Tracktion to sketch out my song ideas because its easy to use. I then switch to Cubase because the studio I work with can import cubase projects. I am looking forward to Tracktion2 because of the broadcast wav support. I will then be able to work exclusively in Tracktion and send the engineer the wav files without worrying about spending valuble hours correcting the position of each clip.

What's my point? Man, you can use just about any synth/VST to make hip hop or any other form of music. You might run into trouble doing classical because of the difficulty with getting realism. Anyway, some cats just need to concentrate on making music and improving talent wise. nuff said!!

I think it is very ignorant for some people on these forums to talk down on Hip Hop yet they know nothing about it, Sascha Franck you are a very good example of such a person, an mpc is just a tool to make music, just like someone might use and MV-8000 or Motif or whatever, a lot goes into Hip Hop depending on your style... don't come out with half ass comments before you do your research on anything, I can't just wake up oneday and say metal or trance is pathetic and it's not music just because I do not understand what goes into it, I could easily say metal is noisy rubbish and druggys screaming but of course, that would be ignorant wouldn't it? I think you get the idea.

One additional note about the current version of FLStudio (please buy, don't warez it people). The internal sampler is great for turning ordinary drum hits into these big mutant drumsynth sounds that are great if you're going for that future hip-hop/Prefuse 73 thing. In one evening I took the default drum kit, and make 2 or 3 killer new kits that sound nothing alike, just by altering the sampler's parameters. The sampler is deceptively simple, and yet has extensive ways of altering audio which only Kontakt could ever compete with.

Remember, a good way of making a name for yourself is by coming up with a distinctive sound, something that people will say "yes, that had to have been done by that guy". Severe audio manipulation of existing kits, or creating your own from scratch via drum synthesis or sampling will do that nicely.

ATA

Xxxplosive wrote:

I think it is very ignorant for some people on these forums to talk down on Hip Hop yet they know nothing about it, Sascha Franck you are a very good example of such a person,

Yeah, true, I know nothing about hiphop.

Quote:

an mpc is just a tool to make music, just like someone might use and MV-8000 or Motif or whatever,

Oh, I didn't know that. I thought all of these had "absolute values".
Must be due to my ignorance...

Well this discussion is obviously heading no where buddy so we might as well end it since I still detect sarcasm.

i do agree hip hop is making something from nothing

How do you make someting out of nothing?

Remember, a good way of making a name for yourself is by coming up with a distinctive sound

yeah its much about making a name..
i think its silly!
Bling bling! lol
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I think TDot must be from my 'neck of the hood'?

Not that I'm 'Hip Hop' by any means. (Check out 'This Ain't Hip Hop' at www.soundclick.com/stevenwest and you'll see what I mean. ) But one of the best 'beatboxes' I've heard for Hip Hop is Microtonics Utonic. It's heady stuff to learn and work - but is dope phat when you get it chugging. As for synths and stuff, it's really up to you. Try them out, and if a sound/voice tickles your biscuits - go for it! Just because mINDkILLER is from barking old Bones for his EBM music doesn't mean YOU CAN'T use it in your hip hop if you dig some of the sounds.

As for the 'Hip Hop Ain't Music'... Then neither is Jazz, Rock, Punk, Techno - according to many parents of ours. Anyone who believes their mommy still...

*sighs*

I would recommend these:

http://jackdark.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=Best&action=display&nu m=1106144108

And these:

http://jackdark.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=Best&action=display&nu m=1106244874

Or maybe just this:



"FPC (FL Pad Controller) is a software plugin similar to the hardware Akai MPC unit, coded & optimized for the FL Studio platform.

FPC is a self-contained drum machine which makes it easy to create, edit and swap drumkits on the fly to tune the sound of the drumloops in your project. FPC supports 16 multi-layered patches per drumkit bank."

http://www.e-officedirect.com/FLStudio/documents/135.html

Hey, it worked for Dre.