http://www.panicnow.net/~remco/Emerald_Tablet_Water_On_Jupiter.mp3

Nice!

I like it!

Do i hear a bit of Plugsound Free in there..?

yep !

wel atleast the fretless bass
i am in love with that sound from the day i downloaded that plug
reminds me of the fretless base i hear on the innervisions album from stevie wonder

hey thanks for liking and for listening !

remco

Great tune! I really like it, except for the ending. It drops off in volume too much and just sounds kind of... wimpy. Hearing the tune suddenly build and become more chaotic would sound, IMHO, more interesting. But it's your song (and a good one, at that) - I just think the ending was a little weak.

hey tha !

yeah perhaps you are right
tonight i was doing vocal recordings and after that i build this
very quick ..its done in 10 bpm in fl

i just needed an end and you can hear that
i will build a proper end next week

thanks for listening

going to sleepy sleepy sleep now - goodnight

remco

I like it very much. That bass line really make the song. I can imagine this song as a theme for a BBC or Discovery channel program about water on Jupiter. That ending works great. Don't change it. It tells some story and gives a definite twist in the theme.

-eric

Very nice indeed. That bass is really sensual. Are you sequencincing or playing live. Nice piano too. Arpegio's are nice, simple but effective. (do I here a slight Philip Glass feel there also). Good work.

Emerald Tablet wrote:

yep ! wel atleast the fretless bass

I could tell about the fretless bass - I thought I heard the piano pad in there, also...

nice one remco. I didn't like the piano arp..sounds like you just punched the notes in the piano roll. I did like the fretless bass. and I did sort of like the ending. the tension build up with the sustaining notes, and the pianopad chords in the background (they should've been a little louder - nah, that's just my taste)

Interesting track, very evocative especially that stunning bassline. For me it's about 30 seconds too long (I always say that, I know), I'd trim a few bars in the middle somewhere, or maybe bring a more upfront string pad in for variation. The ending is lovely, leave it alone!!! Nice one.

Hey top top top loads of people listening
thanks for liking and listening all you top friends and co-musicians !
love you all

I'm thinking of making it a bit more ruph Jupiter's weather is far more exciting than earth's - wind speeds up to 540kph and storms that
last for decades and at least three sorts of rain ! Various liquid substances
in the atmosphere and a temperature and surface that could make some
strange life form possible well possibly not as strange as we are ... we human species are uber strange

the steadyness the drum has would never be found at jupiter
.... so i must either let it out or change it i think ! Thanks for all the cool
suggestions ! i keep that end but i will make it more like a proper ending in
stead of some random notes fading in the mist

ttyl

remco

Very nice! That is my cup of tea! Would love to hear an orchestral version of it.....

TrekStar wrote:

Very nice! That is my cup of tea! Would love to hear an orchestral version of it.....

tha ! Glad to hear you like it !

I would love to hear an orchestral version of it to The London philharmonic does Waters On Jupiter That would be
awesome ...well ...in the meanwhile i keep on dreaming

anyway ... a good pianist would probably be very bored with these
simple minor arps ... i could write some more lines for the string section
.... but these drums ... na they really need to be reconsidered

well atleast i brought some massive keychanges which could make it
interesting for the London philharmonic ... i have loads of classic music
pieces that don`t have key changes at all

reminds me of this program in which a singer in a punkrock band in leeds
called the deadbats directed an orchestra after a steam course

just came back home and i listened again
i can believe you guys like the chords
but why the fuck didn`t anybody tell me these drums were soooooo dull

Emerald Tablet wrote:

but why the fuck didn`t anybody tell me these drums were soooooo dull

Hey, I just now got around to listening to it...

Very nice piece. The only thing that bothers me is the rhythmic effect of the piano triplets against the straight eighths in the drum and bass (? that low plocking sound). I would probably lose the occasional soft snare hits on the "&", and hit only on the quarter note; maybe use grace notes instead. Somehow the way it is now it doesn't come together for me.

But a nifty piece overall.

V.

Emerald Tablet wrote:

i just needed an end and you can hear that i will build a proper end next week

NOOO! I like the end! It´s got a really nice feel to it. If you do change the end make sure you don´t loose the feeling it´s got now.

You should ad some velocity changes to the piano arp or record them all over adding a bit more human touch to them. Mucho importante! I like the synth and the way you´ve played it, but when you bring the piano back it kinda sounds like the music to "Simon The Sorcerer 2". I don`t now if this is intentional or not, (most of the new age music I´ve heard sounds a bit like that,) but I think you´re probably better of toning it down a bit. If you edit the synth patch a bit using automation or use some EQ automation it´ll probably sound a lot better. And of course fixing the piano will help a lot.

And you should send the drums to a bus (instead of the output,) and use some EQ and/or FX on the sum of them. Hmm...and the high-hat and the tambourine needs to be taken care of. It´s ads to much of that "stop and go" feeling to you track. And you probably should use some EQ on the snare.

At some point you should remove the drums before bringing them back again. The mix needs some air.

But all in all a good track with lots of potential. (I woudn´t have bothered posting if it wasn´t. ) Good luck!

Regards,
Winnie.

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NOOO! I like the end! It´s got a really nice feel to it. If you do change the end make sure you don´t loose the feeling it´s got now.

hey tha for listening pal ! i wasn`t planning on twisting it completely

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You should ad some velocity changes to the piano arp or record them all over adding a bit more human touch to them. Mucho importante!

I know i should and i will re record them ....but play them ... i used an arpegiator

however i sticked to pre defined minor chords and i will not have any
problems in rewriting it manualy or even playing it (at slow speed that is)

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I like the synth and the way you´ve played it, but when you bring the piano back it kinda sounds like the music to "Simon The Sorcerer 2". I don`t now if this is intentional or not, (most of the new age music I´ve heard sounds a bit like that,) but I think you´re probably better of toning it down a bit. If you edit the synth patch a bit using automation or use some EQ automation it´ll probably sound a lot better. And of course fixing the piano will help a lot.

I planned to put eq on more instruments but i was on 97 procent processor usage ... i will record the tracks to wave... and after that do a new mix
thanks for all the very usefull tips !

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And you should send the drums to a bus (instead of the output,) and use some EQ and/or FX on the sum of them. Hmm...and the high-hat and the tambourine needs to be taken care of. It´s ads to much of that "stop and go" feeling to you track. And you probably should use some EQ on the snare

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Not to sure what you mean with the bus suggestion
normaly i place drumsounds on different channels so i can add eq and other effects per sound.

there is eq on the snare ... i added some extra sound in the 1000 to 1500 section (3db up) and some in the 500 to1000 (2 db up)
perhaps i should adapt these settings

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At some point you should remove the drums before bringing them back again. The mix needs some air.

my girlfriend suggested the same

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But all in all a good track with lots of potential. (I woudn´t have bothered posting if it wasn´t. ) Good luck!

you are to kind ! thank you very very very much !

remco

Nice. Not my thing but nice. I go along with the 'humanise those arpeggios' comment. It's well produced, with some good little shifts in there.

It kind of has a Beethoven "Moonlight Sonata" quality to it.

JeffN

jeffn1 wrote:

It kind of has a Beethoven "Moonlight Sonata" quality to it. JeffN

WOOOOAAAAH i love that piece
some parts in that song are to obvious but not for the time in which it was
written ! thanks so much for listening !

Think I'd be quite chuffed if I wrote anything close to close to close to as good as the moonlight sonata...or the A flat schubert piano impromptu, which is vaguely similar, and also beautiful...

choochcat wrote:

Think I'd be quite chuffed if I wrote anything close to close to close to as good as the moonlight sonata...or the A flat schubert piano impromptu, which is vaguely similar, and also beautiful...

what does "chuffed" mean ?

remco

'chuffed' means 'pleased'.

no reason why you should have known that.

I LOVE IT !!! That piano and that bass are great, compliments on the mix too.

Hope this is going on your CD?

You've been makin' really great, impressive stuff.

Shall we expect a CD in the near future and a mailing list at your new site, with all the updates and what's happening at E.T's crib.

I can see it, can you?

Mr.Me wrote:

You've been makin' really great, impressive stuff. Shall we expect a CD in the near future and a mailing list at your new site, with all the updates and what's happening at E.T's crib. I can see it, can you?

oh yeah i realy hope so
that would be so cool
but hey ..... first some more work in this
and indeed - have to finish that site
i was working on it

thanks pal !

Emerald Tablet wrote:

I know i should and i will re record them ....but play them ... i used an arpegiator however i sticked to pre defined minor chords and i will not have any problems in rewriting it manualy or even playing it (at slow speed that is)

Don´t know what arpeggiator you are using, but the arpeggio in Logic lets you set velocity values to random. If i remember correctly this should give it some more human touch, but it´s been a long time since I´ve played around with it. You could give it a try though...

Emerald Tablet wrote:

Not to sure what you mean with the bus suggestion normaly i place drumsounds on different channels so i can add eq and other effects per sound.

In Logic I would spread the drumkit on a couple of channels (labeled ::BD::, ::SN::, ::TOM::, ::HH::, ::CYM::,) add EQ and FX on each of the channels before sending the channel output to i.e. bus 4. I would then pick up the input from bus 4 on aux 4, thus making it bus 4, before adding EQ on the entire drumkit and using the sends to send to i.e. bus 2 where I would have a very short stereo delay. The output from bus 4 is routed to output 1-2. This is generally the workflow on any type of project I´m working on.

Emerald Tablet wrote:

there is eq on the snare ... i added some extra sound in the 1000 to 1500 section (3db up) and some in the 500 to1000 (2 db up) perhaps i should adapt these settings

I basicly get the feeling that the snare is to wide, you should narrow it down to make it fit better into the mix. It´s a bit dominating. But it sounds okey though. Hmm...you might try turning the volume down a bit, ease down on the reverb and make the room a bit damper ´couse I think the mix suffers a bit from to bright reverb. This might actually do the trick. What kind of reverb plug are you using at what setting?

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Winnie wrote: At some point you should remove the drums before bringing them back again. The mix needs some air. Emerald Tablet wrote: my girlfriend suggested the same

And perhaps ad some subtle variations?

btw: I really like the chords at the end and you´ve played them quite nicely. It´s like I´ve been struggeling the entire song to get through some enchanted forrest. And then I finally pass the last of the gnarled and twisted large trees into the clearing where I for the first time since I entered the forrest are able to feel the sun on my skin and breathe freely. Nice. I´ve insulted you now didn´t I? Here you are making a tune about water on Jupiter and I go wreck the whole thing by taking about enchanted forrests. Not good at all...!

--
ingrid

insulted me ?

nah - it would take more to insult me

i love all the suggestions your giving but
i don`t use logic .... i mean the host logic

I could use different methods for what your saying in fruity ..i mean i do have ways to place effects on different channels and i could use an send effect
to place second effects on a group.

i can see the enchanted forest in front of me (loved that scene in lord of the rings !)

i am busy on other songs for now but i kept all your suggestions on my harddrive !

thanks ingrid

remco

Hi Remco. I just listened to the whole thing and I thought it sounded pretty good too. To me, the arpeggiations are only weak when I hear the piano sound play them - and they really aren't that bad - just a little auto-accompanyment sounding. Fading them in and out or changing velocity would help or running them through a synced delay but I like the way they play on that other plucky synth instrument. And the ending is cool.

The snare sounds OK to me. I agree that it is dominant in the mix - maybe too much - but I prefer up front drum and bass.