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rsmus7 - Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:47 am
usually I do different stuff
but I had a play with GURU these days,
so I came up with some kind of a club-dance-mix
or whatever
it's three instances of GURU live recorded in eXT 1.4
it's about 18 min long
please listen and give any comments
G-DANCE
Big Karma - Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:09 am
ohhhhhhhhh! hello - will check this when I get home
bluedad - Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:29 am
fantastic! better than coffee this morning. really good mix, too.
I never could get the hang of sequencing in eXT 1.4 (although I'm using XT2 quite a bit now). anyway, this is worth listening to again (will probably stick on my ipod for the commute to work)
rsmus7 - Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:36 am
thanks bluedad
I used the live record mode in energyXT
no sequencing used here,
I just loaded the instances of GURU,
loaded a mixer comp for the individual outputs,
and I assigned my midi controller to the volume faders of the mixer.
I let the GURUs run all the time,
all the mixing/sequencing is done live via the volume levels of the mixer channels.
Thats it.
rsmus7 - Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:19 pm
nothing more?
too bad???
Big Karma - Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:09 pm
just finally getting first listen now - love the bounding beat combined with that snappy sound.
A veritable monster mix up and mash at over 17 minutes!!
Thanks for the share and hope all is well with you
Some of the mixes in and out of the beats confused me a bit though but that might just be my ears
rsmus7 - Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:47 pm
thanks BK
yes I understand your confusion,
I need to learn a bit better to mix live,
that might help, with the beats mixing.
I'm fine and have a week off,
but I am painting my kitchen and cleaning the house
and doing some music
I hope you're fine aswell.
Sorry I couldn't come this year,
I hope next year I gonna make it.
rsmus7 - Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:39 am
no one else comments?
rsmus7 - Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:23 am
too bad for comments?
after 147 views only two
emdot_ambient - Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:20 pm
"...about 18 minutes long..." And you wonder why you get a lot of views and only a few comments?
I'm patiently waiting for this to come to papa for a listen. BRB...
emdot_ambient - Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:25 pm
Okay, playing now . . . where are my glow sticks?
Can never find the damn things when I need them . . . ! emdot_ambient - Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:34 pm
Okay . . . my real opinion is, to quote Fats Waller, "All that meat and no potatoes."
By that I mean, it sounds like just what you described--you set up 3 GURU tracks and then experimented mixing them live together. What's missing is an overall direction and any melodic focus. It's interesting for me to listen to from a production point of view, though. I'm trying to imagine how you've got it set up and how you're controlling it all. I've always felt that the missing element in electronic music is an organized way of improvising or jamming on extended mixes. The artist is pretty much left to figure out how to accomplish that. Every effort I've made with it ends up sounding unfocused and a bit stilted...
Anyway, thanks for sharing!
rsmus7 - Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:39 pm
emdot_ambient wrote:
"...about 18 minutes long..." And you wonder why you get a lot of views and only a few comments?
well here on my DSL it's dl'ed in no time
and commenting while listening should be easy
well I don't use glow sticks here,
only my old disco mirrorball and colour organ.
rsmus7 - Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:47 pm
emdot_ambient wrote:
Okay . . . my real opinion is, to quote Fats Waller, "All that meat and no potatoes."
By that I mean, it sounds like just what you described--you set up 3 GURU tracks and then experimented mixing them live together. What's missing is an overall direction and any melodic focus. It's interesting for me to listen to from a production point of view, though. I'm trying to imagine how you've got it set up and how you're controlling it all. I've always felt that the missing element in electronic music is an organized way of improvising or jamming on extended mixes. The artist is pretty much left to figure out how to accomplish that. Every effort I've made with it ends up sounding unfocused and a bit stilted...
Anyway, thanks for sharing!
By that I mean, it sounds like just what you described--you set up 3 GURU tracks and then experimented mixing them live together. What's missing is an overall direction and any melodic focus. It's interesting for me to listen to from a production point of view, though. I'm trying to imagine how you've got it set up and how you're controlling it all. I've always felt that the missing element in electronic music is an organized way of improvising or jamming on extended mixes. The artist is pretty much left to figure out how to accomplish that. Every effort I've made with it ends up sounding unfocused and a bit stilted...
Anyway, thanks for sharing!
I really understand what you mean,
that is my first try,
and I share your feeling,
I think it could be better with a bit of sequencing,
and maybe better choice of loops
... but would that be important in a live situation?
this a serious question, sometimes I feel that we
have a different perception of live performances
compared to studio pieces.
we don't hear, feel, remeber faults and mistakes that much,
as on material that we can listen repeated.
Or???
But I'm sure I need more training for doing real live gigs.
emdot_ambient - Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:03 pm
rsmus7 wrote:
... but would that be important in a live situation?
this a serious question, sometimes I feel that we
have a different perception of live performances
compared to studio pieces...
this a serious question, sometimes I feel that we
have a different perception of live performances
compared to studio pieces...
Serious answer: I think that would depend on the party and the people
I've never had the pleasure of hearing good techno (as an old man I reserve the right to use that term to mean "electronic dance music that's not disco", not as a specific genre/subgenre) played live. I tried to go to a rave back in the mid-90s with a young associate from work who was really into it, but the evening turned into a total fiasco with the event being scheduled in Baltimore, and then unannounced being switched to a bad club in SE Washington DC where you had a choice of a seemingly unending drum & bass song on one dance floor and some truly horrible happy house music on another floor, which was very nearly as bad as the worst disco nightmare from my college days.
But it seems to me a live performance that really grabs you and holds you is one that goes on endlessly but that has a directed and compelling focus. If it's all beat, then the beats not only have to be infectious, but also varied enough that they don't get boring. If an interesting (if simple) melodic thread is interwoven into that, then you've got the thing licked.
Clear as mud?
emdot_ambient - Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:06 pm
rsmus7 wrote:
emdot_ambient wrote:
"...about 18 minutes long..." And you wonder why you get a lot of views and only a few comments?
well here on my DSL it's dl'ed in no time
Theoretically my connection speed here (at work) is way faster than my home DSL. Unfortunately, theory and practice ain't the same thing. And something in the config here disallows tracks on KVR from streaming, I have to wait for the whole download for it to start playing.
dirty oscillators - Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:11 pm
i'm hearing parts "skip" as if one instance of guru isn't keeping up with the others when at the end or beginning of the bar. and not sure what is going on, but there are definitely some "hang ups" and beats getting off here and there.
sounds like you're having fun though!
rsmus7 - Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:59 pm
dirty oscillators wrote:
i'm hearing parts "skip" as if one instance of guru isn't keeping up with the others when at the end or beginning of the bar. and not sure what is going on, but there are definitely some "hang ups" and beats getting off here and there.
sounds like you're having fun though!
sounds like you're having fun though!
yes sounds in parts liek the timing isn't tight,
but I don't know if it is GURU or eXT?
anyway you're right, it was fun doing the practice.
dark_virus - Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:06 pm
Wow! 24MB???
I'm listening to it. Well, let's see:
I'm in no means an expert, but simply someone that likes electronic 4x4 stuff. Your tune sounds to me more like a megamix, what is indeed what you seemed do achieve. But I think there's some elements that sounds off-beat, and really doesn't work well. Also, the volume variations in your beats is something a little annoying, and doesn't sounds good, at least to me.
However, I see various good parts that could be improved and re-arranged, in order to have a song. So, if your question is "does it work on a live situation?", I'd answer: "yes, but the offbeats would start to annoy the dancers, at certain moments".
Sorry if this is a negative comment, but I think we all can grow with construtive criticism.
chicken muffin - Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:25 pm
i thinks its a very unfriendly song. its just too uncomfortable to the ears. i try to be honest and this song would never see a club floor. its more a noise project then anything
edit: im your freind rsmus7 and i love your synth1 work so i would never try to hurt your feelings
Glassback - Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:43 am
Same here I'm afraid.
I think you've got a few different tracks here and each would probably work well if they were developed individually.
But the mix between parts is frustrating with the offbeats. If a DJ mixed like that down the club, he'd probably be boo'd off.
I see what you're trying to do and where you're coming from but (IMO) it doesn't work too well as a single file mix and would heartily suggest trying to seperate the pieces into individual pieces as I like most of the parts, just not too keen on it as a whole.
rsmus7 - Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:08 am
I really dig this constructive criticism
thanks for you listening and taking time to comment
I can understand all the comments,
and the more I listen myself, the more I understand,
it is a mixture of differnt parts, and the offbeat is really putting ya off
I will try to do a new and better mix,
maybe change some of the loops I used and see how that will work.
@ dark virus
I didn't want to make a song,it was more a practice,
but I agree with you itz can be much improved.
@ chicken muffin
I don't feel hurt,
I honour open words
@mick
thanks for your time,
and all your comments are most welcome
Bonteburg - Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:11 am
I don't know..
I actually love the element of chaos and whim in there, syncing issues and all.
While it certainly lacks focus, I don't miss it.
It's a whirl of colours and textures with plenty of suction.
Marco
krushing - Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:23 am
There's something about the overall sound/mix that's somehow extremely unpleasant for my ears - meaning that it's uncomfortable to listen to. Can't quite put my finger on it, though...but I couldn't listen it for very long.
rsmus7 - Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:20 pm
thanks marco
Q krushing sorry for my incompetence,
but it would be helpfull if you could explain it a bit more detailed
what did put you off.
krushing - Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:44 am
Well - and sorry for the late reply - I still don't really know. The midrange just seems to cause instant ear fatigue, though now listening at home with a different pair of headphones (AKG K240s, last time with AKG K66s) it's not quite so prominent an effect. Same thing through my monitors (Genelec 8020As). Sorry I can't break it down more...
Uchdryd - Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:21 am
So much to say. . .
1) The skipping/sync issues are very annoying. Fix those and you'll get totally different reactions from people.
2) It does sound good enough, in some places, that it wouldn't sound out of place at a club. Around 9:25, for example. But then at 9:34 the skipping occurs again and it's just very disturbing. Something was wrong with your computer when you recorded this, I'm thinking. Time to run a virus scan! Try HiJackThis (freeware) to quickly see what's going on.
3) The beat is fast enough that it could be a trance tune, but it sounds like you're trying to make an ambient or down-tempo song out of it!
4) As already stated, the song lacks focus and excitement, and at 18 minutes long, that's unforgivable, I'm afraid. Condense it all into 4 minutes!
5) Loudness is too low. You can raise the volume on this several dB's and still not experience any audible clipping.
Don't give up! This is a promising start! Figure out what's causing the skipping and try again. Making dance music is fun once you figure out how to do it. This is not to say that I have figured it out, mind you, but I'm having fun learning!
Uch
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