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Aleksey Vaneev - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:13 pm
We are happy to announce the release of version 2 of Voxformer vocal processing plug-in. Voxformer is a multi-functional vocal channel strip plug-in for professional audio applications. Combining several professional quality processing modules, Voxformer was designed to be a comprehensive solution for all your vocal processing needs - be it spoken or sung vocals.



Version 2 features the following improvements over version 1:

The coolest feature of Voxformer is its one-knob vocal compressor. Using only a single knob, you can get a tight, open and definitive professional vocal sound with an excellent articulation in no time. You do not have to worry about common ratio and make-up gain controls since they are automatically selected by the advanced compression algorithm while attack and release parameters are stored in a mode preset. Moreover, Voxformer features two compressors of this type, allowing you to apply either a two-band or a two-stage (serial) vocal compression.

Voxformer also features the de-esser with selectable center frequency and threshold. Multi-band noise gate is available, which, in a manner similar to the compressor, was designed to bring ease of tuning while providing excellent sonic results. For those who like a saturated vocal sound, Voxformer implements a special module which applies a smooth saturation. Another useful feature Voxformer has to offer is the presence boosting module, which you can use to add some shine and space to the vocals.

Almost all Voxformer's processing modules offer "mode editor" panels where you can fine-tune specific module's operation. In most cases this allows you to use Voxformer for processing of a wide range of instruments beside vocals.

Voxengo Voxformer features:

Voxformer plug-in can be loaded into any audio host application that conforms to the VST or AudioUnit plug-in specification. Plug-in is compatible with Windows XP, Windows Vista (32- and 64-bit) and Mac OS X 10.4.11 and above (Intel and PowerPC) computers (2 GHz dual-core or faster processor with at least 1 GB of system RAM recommended). A separate binary distribution file is available for each target computer platform for each plug-in format.

One-month introductory price of USD 55.95 is now effective, which is 20% off the regular price. Upgrading from the previous version costs USD 34.95 if previous version was purchased earlier than 90 days from now: otherwise upgrade is free during this grace period. Demo version of Voxformer can be downloaded at the Voxengo web site: http://www.voxengo.com/
Wittenberg - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:27 pm
Extremely cool. I have been tempted at voxformer for a long time now, but now I won't be able to resist anymore. Nice job, nice update.
Cordelia - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:31 pm
Downloading the demo now. Can't wait to try out this new version!
Aloysius - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:47 pm
I was asked to agree to this:

Quote:
5. Not For Resale
If the SOFTWARE tangible distribution package is labeled "Not For Resale" or "NFR" (with "NFR" PRODUCT KEY included), or the issued PRODUCT KEY you have received from VOXENGO and/or its suppliers state that you have received an "NFR" PRODUCT KEY (or, alternatively, "NFR" license) for the SOFTWARE, then your use of the SOFTWARE is limited to use for private or public demonstration, test, or evaluation purposes and you may not transfer, rent, lease, resell, or otherwise distribute this "NFR" distribution package with its "NFR" PRODUCT KEY, or "NFR" PRODUCT KEY alone. You may however use the "NFR" licensed SOFTWARE for producing audio recordings, patch libraries and sounds for any pieces you are profiting from.


> then your use of the SOFTWARE is limited to use for private or public demonstration, test, or evaluation purposes

What's that then?

> You may however use the "NFR" licensed SOFTWARE for producing audio recordings, patch libraries and sounds for any pieces you are profiting from.

I can use this then???

I got the 'free' upgrade but I'm a wee bit confused about the License I have received with it! Please explain.

Thanks . . .
MelodyMan - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:52 pm
Bought the upgrade without demoing. I'm sure it will rule. Thanks for the update, Aleksey!
Aleksey Vaneev - Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:54 pm
Aloysius wrote:
I got the 'free' upgrade but I'm a wee bit confused about the License I have received with it! Please explain.


Well, these terms of license sum together, they are not excluding each other. Sorry it's not clearly laid out. I will fix this later.
dickiefunk - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:12 pm
Great!! That's fantastic news!!

I'll definitely be getting this very soon. I use Voxformer all the time and love the ease of use and quality of results!! I'm loving Voxengo plugins more an more ( I have Curve Eq, Elephant 3.2, Voxformer, Soniformer).
Aleksey Vaneev - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:18 pm
Thanks for your interest! BTW, this version features a deeply refined compression sound. To my current "understanding" of sound, previous Voxformer version sounded a bit harsh. This version fixes this aspect - the compressor should be suitably smooth now for most vocal performances.
JeffSanders - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:25 pm
Ho. ly. crap.

I'm mixing the new Mountain Mirrors EP right now, and originally decided to use the (awesome) new Glue compressor on my vocals. After demoing Voxformer 2, there's been a sudden change of plans.

Cool

Well...the Glue will still get some airtime on the drum bus.
shanecgriffo - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:29 pm
demo limitations?
Aleksey Vaneev - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:30 pm
shanecgriffo wrote:
demo limitations?


Only a short audio volume drop every 30 seconds. This is a standard demo limitation among Voxengo plug-ins.
shanecgriffo - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:41 pm
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
shanecgriffo wrote:
demo limitations?


Only a short audio volume drop every 30 seconds. This is a standard demo limitation among Voxengo plug-ins.


cool , thanks,, as long as its not an explosion in my ears every 10 seconds like some Wink
bmanic - Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:57 pm
I have to hype this thing a bit. The whole concept and execution of this plugin is AWESOME. Make sure you try it on not just vocals. It is incredible on acoustic guitar as well (try tuning the presence module down to around 400-600hz and make it around 2-3 octaves wide, then smash the heck out of it and keep gain down at least -12dB from nominal level, instant phat guitars).

The de-esser is superb as well. I can finally retire good old spitfish because now it is beaten.

And the multi-band gate thing is incredibly powerful as well.

Damn, I can't find enough superlatives for this deep DEEP plugin. It's one of those that is easy to tweak but will take years to find all the secrets). I'm not sure even Aleksey knows what a monster he has created. Razz Very Happy

Cheers!
bManic
sinzero - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:07 pm
<sigh>...I don't think those improvements warrant the $35 upgrade. I'll keep using version 1

but if you don't own this go and get it now
mn - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:23 pm
I say Well Done my wallet says Mad
(only because of the timing - I've upgraded a lot of things in the last week)
dj ray - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:30 pm
Ah! Beautiful! Perhaps this will help replace the aging Waves Renaissance Vox plug-in. Will definitely be demoing it!
Cordelia - Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:51 pm
Thanks, Aleksey, for releasing this and distracting me from work I should be doing, but don't want to be doing.

Finally a de-esser that works better for me than Spitfish at a price I can afford. And the debreath gate is great. It took me a while to set up, but once I got it working I was really impressed with the results.

Fantastic plugin.
Notron User - Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:15 pm
Sweet, off to buy now.
Aloysius - Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:17 pm
Notron User wrote:
Sweet, off to buy now.


Bye bye . . . Wink
soundpalace - Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:19 pm
Aleksey, this update is seriously AWESOME!!! You have actually added all the features I wished for in v1 and indeed the compressor sounds a lot better now.

There are heaps of things that one might miss here, so let me point out why I'm almost wetting my pants:

- Different slopes of high pass filter on the EQ!!! This is essential to vocal EQing, using the 6db/oct for instance gives a subtle & soft cut while steeper values are more pronounced.
- The compressors are FULLY editable now, finally I can lower the attack of the compressors to prevent transients getting through, wonderful! These are FULLY featured compressors now!
- The presence module allows you to boost frequencies up to 16 khz (old version was limited to 12 khz max). This will work wonders on any material, the presence module in this plugin remains unbeaten by anything else I've used.
- The gate in itself is like a plugin within a plugin. It is a fully featured 4 band gate, holy crap Surprised
- You can now edit EQ bands with full accuracy, with text box entry for all bands, thank you!!
- The filer warping in the EQ near 20 kHz has been totally fixed!

This probably shouldn't even be called Voxformer anymore. It is a channel strip, did you consider a name change?

I only have one feature request remaining, more saturation algorithms would be really nice, there's some nice left over space under the Sat knob for a drop down Wink

My plan is to upgrade all my Voxengo plugins when the ones I own are ported to the new architecture, but I'm not sure I can wait that long for this plugin! What's coming next? Smile I really can't wait for GlissEQ and Marquis updates.

P.S.: Thanks for adding the "Radial Knob" global setting, exactly what I needed
pough - Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:03 pm
putte, that's good news! Very Happy
egbert - Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:03 pm
bmanic wrote:
I have to hype this thing a bit. The whole concept and execution of this plugin is AWESOME. Make sure you try it on not just vocals. It is incredible on acoustic guitar as well (try tuning the presence module down to around 400-600hz and make it around 2-3 octaves wide, then smash the heck out of it and keep gain down at least -12dB from nominal level, instant phat guitars).

The de-esser is superb as well. I can finally retire good old spitfish because now it is beaten.

Indeed. This works very well on acoustic guitars - you can use the de-esser to tame string noise if need be and the compressor, presence and Eq sections offer a lot of control. The in-depth editing possibilities for all the effects are all there if you want them. The analyser is very handy too.
Seaside Music - Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:21 pm
Having a go with this in Samplitude 10.2...Is the SOLO function disabled in the demo version? Tried soloing in the de-esser, but nothing is happening.
soundpalace - Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:16 pm
Seaside Music wrote:
Having a go with this in Samplitude 10.2...Is the SOLO function disabled in the demo version? Tried soloing in the de-esser, but nothing is happening.


Confirmed here, doesn't seem to bypass the other parts of the plugin.

P.S.: I also have found something else, like GlissEQ, this plugin affects the sound even if nothing is on. It is doing something to the bass frequencies, a very soft boost or cut. Honestly, I really wish GlissEQ and Voxformer didn't do this, can it be fixed?
shanecgriffo - Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:39 pm
is the only way to adjust the Q in the equaliser to type it in?
in the quick go i had, i could'nt find another way.. (maybe i better go read the manual Embarassed )
Seaside Music - Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:33 pm
shanecgriffo wrote:
is the only way to adjust the Q in the equaliser to type it in?
in the quick go i had, i could'nt find another way.. (maybe i better go read the manual Embarassed )


mousewheel broadens or narrows.
Kim Lajoie - Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:24 pm
The saturator lost the bias control! Crying or Very sad

-Kim.
soundpalace - Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:26 pm
Seaside Music wrote:
shanecgriffo wrote:
is the only way to adjust the Q in the equaliser to type it in?
in the quick go i had, i could'nt find another way.. (maybe i better go read the manual Embarassed )


mousewheel broadens or narrows.


Also for more accuracy, hold down left and right mouse button and move left & right to adjust Q.
bmanic - Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:36 pm
shanecgriffo wrote:
is the only way to adjust the Q in the equaliser to type it in?
in the quick go i had, i could'nt find another way.. (maybe i better go read the manual Embarassed )


.. or keep both left and right mouse button down at the same time and drag left/right. Personally I think this is the most intuitive way of doing it.

Cheers!
bManic
AetherCoyl - Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:43 pm
Holy compression, this thing RULES. Makes me - I mean my singer, heh - sound like he can actually sing without having to back off the mic 20 feet just to keep from distorting. SWEET! Snappin this up. It's better than my FMR RNC hardware on vocals. I'll use that for bass - heh. Love
soundpalace - Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:50 pm
Also just noticed that the presence module can have attack / release adjusted too, wowee!

P.S.: Found a little bug, when you click on any text entry box, it selects the value inside the box, which is correct behavior. But this does not happen in the EQ section when you click on a box to enter a value for the frequency, q or gain of a band, it does NOT select the text in the box, thus forcing the user to have to select the text themselves, hit DEL and then type a new value.
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:34 am
Thanks for your comments, everyone!

soundpalace wrote:
Found a little bug, when you click on any text entry box, it selects the value inside the box, which is correct behavior. But this does not happen in the EQ section

Thanks, this will be fixed.

soundpalace wrote:
I also have found something else, like GlissEQ, this plugin affects the sound even if nothing is on. It is doing something to the bass frequencies, a very soft boost or cut. Honestly, I really wish GlissEQ and Voxformer didn't do this, can it be fixed?

Well, I do not plan to fix this - what both these plug-ins are doing is -6dB/oct DC filtering tuned to a very low frequency. If you notice something happens, it means your material had a lot of subsonic (DC) frequency content - not good in most cases.

Seaside Music wrote:
Having a go with this in Samplitude 10.2...Is the SOLO function disabled in the demo version? Tried soloing in the de-esser, but nothing is happening.

Make sure you have the de-esser enabled. Otherwise monitoring won't produce any output.
soundpalace - Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:51 am
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:


soundpalace wrote:
I also have found something else, like GlissEQ, this plugin affects the sound even if nothing is on. It is doing something to the bass frequencies, a very soft boost or cut. Honestly, I really wish GlissEQ and Voxformer didn't do this, can it be fixed?

Well, I do not plan to fix this - what both these plug-ins are doing is -6dB/oct DC filtering tuned to a very low frequency. If you notice something happens, it means your material had a lot of subsonic frequency content - not good in most cases.



Hey mate, I do understand your point, but maybe I can explain further why I find this to be an issue.

Even though this is actually a frequency cut, if you insert the plugin on a mix, it generally boosts the overall signal level. I can confirm this happens on all material, even tunes which are not very bass heavy.

I personally feel that this DC filter should be left as an option to the user and hope would at least reconsider it. I always like when ultimate control over every little detail is left to the user with no assumptions that the user will want a DC filter on their material.

Thanks for reading Smile
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:17 am
soundpalace wrote:
I personally feel that this DC filter should be left as an option to the user and hope would at least reconsider it. I always like when ultimate control over every little detail is left to the user with no assumptions that the user will want a DC filter on their material.

Thanks for your opinion, I'll think about it.
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:23 am
Kim (esoundz) wrote:
The saturator lost the bias control!

Was it that much important in your opinion? In my opinion bias control's effect was mostly unuseful. Beside that Voxformer V2 features a smoother saturation algorithm.
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:33 am
soundpalace wrote:
This probably shouldn't even be called Voxformer anymore. It is a channel strip, did you consider a name change?

Well, the compressor in it is still best used on vocals. Yes, it's very good on drums and guitars as well, but initially the timing cascade was designed to better suit vocals dynamics. Beside that de-esser is rarely needed on instruments. After all, you may perceive "Vox" as a "voice" of anything - be it vocals or instruments Smile

soundpalace wrote:
I only have one feature request remaining, more saturation algorithms would be really nice, there's some nice left over space under the Sat knob for a drop down Wink

Well, this won't happen for sure. You may get VariSaturator for more saturation options. Smile

soundpalace wrote:
What's coming next? Smile

Can't tell right now what's next.
JeffSanders - Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:52 am
Ho. Ly. Crap.



Did I say that already? Shit!

This plugin is class. Couldn't arrive at a more perfect time for me. IMHO, there's nothing that comes close to this in plugin land for vocals. And it's a vast improvement from the first version.
SuperFly76 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:00 am
I upgraded this sight unseen! All of the V2 upgrades have been amazing. I've been using Voxformer steadily for the past 7 years I think (it's been at least 5 for sure). I've been eagerly awaiting the v2 overhaul. I can't wait to put it through it's paces tomorrow.

Thanks Aleksey!

I can't wait for V2 of pristine space!
bullshark - Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:14 am
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Can't tell right now what's next.
Can we vote? Then my vote would go to GlissEQ Smile

Oh, and I'll be getting Voxformer, of course.
K-Slash - Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:21 am
Yeah GlissEQ 3 with the "Overtone GEQ" harmonics enhancement mode.
glasgene - Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:36 am
K-Slash wrote:
Yeah GlissEQ 3 with the "Overtone GEQ" harmonics enhancement mode.


+ 1 Gliss EQ Well Done

Aleksey Please Make It So
Optomadic - Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:03 am
The new V2 model(s) are so far kick ass Aleksey! Can't wait to give this one a go. plz check ur email.
Sleep Distance - Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:13 am
I used Voxformer 1 on the lead vocals on my band's newest demo. The results were excellent. The lead vocals stood out over the mix nicely, detail was brought out nicely, and the vocals sounded up front. There was a slight vintage saturated sound that complimented our lead singer's rock singing nicely. I don't go nuts with the saturation knob, but Voxformer added just the right amount of "hair" and thickened up the vocal track. In mixing a rock tune, often "bigger than life" is preferable to clean and accurate.

I look forward to working with Voxformer 2. Thanks Aleksey.
PaulG - Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:46 am
bmanic wrote:
I have to hype this thing a bit. The whole concept and execution of this plugin is AWESOME. Make sure you try it on not just vocals. It is incredible on acoustic guitar as well (try tuning the presence module down to around 400-600hz and make it around 2-3 octaves wide, then smash the heck out of it and keep gain down at least -12dB from nominal level, instant phat guitars).

The de-esser is superb as well. I can finally retire good old spitfish because now it is beaten.

And the multi-band gate thing is incredibly powerful as well.

Damn, I can't find enough superlatives for this deep DEEP plugin. It's one of those that is easy to tweak but will take years to find all the secrets). I'm not sure even Aleksey knows what a monster he has created. Razz Very Happy

Cheers!
bManic


Well, if bmanic's getting all hot and bothered, then that's enough for me. Smile
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:03 am
Many thanks for your feedback! Next plug-in release will most probably won't be GlissEQ.
glasgene - Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:17 am
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Many thanks for your feedback! Next plug-in release will most probably won't be GlissEQ.


Ok Aleksey how about next after that .. some serious love for gliss eq Love
macattackamac - Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:23 am
hello, tried earlier to buy it, but for some reason my paypal account gets rejected :S
there's already money there, is that a common problem?
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:44 am
macattackamac wrote:
hello, tried earlier to buy it, but for some reason my paypal account gets rejected :S
there's already money there, is that a common problem?

For sure, it's not a common problem. Please contact 2checkout staff for resolution: http://www.2checkout.com/community/help/
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:45 am
glasgene wrote:
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Many thanks for your feedback! Next plug-in release will most probably won't be GlissEQ.

Ok Aleksey how about next after that .. some serious love for gliss eq Love

I can't guarantee that.
adl - Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:16 am
Hi Aleksey!
Congrats to this very nice update!
I am testing Voxformer 2 right now on several tracks where i used Version 1 and the overall sound is just smoother. Cool

On question: The "force mono" button is not there anymore, right? It was a simple yet effective feature. Any way to implement that back in? Prayer
bullshark - Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:25 am
Just got this an hour ago, loving it already. It's deep thought, so the save preset on each section is an extremely nice touch.

[edit]
adl wrote:

On question: The "force mono" button is not there anymore, right? It was a simple yet effective feature. Any way to implement that back in? Prayer


There's a force mono mode under the routing option, is that what you mean?
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:26 am
adl wrote:
On question: The "force mono" button is not there anymore, right? It was a simple yet effective feature. Any way to implement that back in? Prayer

Plug-in features "Routing" setup now. Simply load the "Force mono" (or the "Mono to stereo") preset.
adl - Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:29 am
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
adl wrote:
On question: The "force mono" button is not there anymore, right? It was a simple yet effective feature. Any way to implement that back in? Prayer

Plug-in features "Routing" setup now. Simply load the "Force mono" (or the "Mono to stereo") preset.



Holy cow, totally overlooked that!

Just bought it Very Happy

Voxformer has really become DEEEEEEP. Will take some time to get around all the new possibilitys, but so far it is amazing! Well Done
bmanic - Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:34 am
I hope Marquis or Polysquasher gets some v2 love soon.. but then again I'm a sucker for anything that smashes things to bits! Very Happy

Cheers!
bManic
pough - Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:35 am
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Can't tell right now what's next.


Is that because it's a secret or because you haven't decided yet?
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:41 am
pough wrote:
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Can't tell right now what's next.

Is that because it's a secret or because you haven't decided yet?

It depends on the further development progress - what gets done first, so to say.
mn - Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:22 pm
On a different subject, Aleksey, you deserve credit for having what I consider to be one of the most customer friendly website of all developers. There are many that have good sites, no doubt, but yours is among the most user friendly. Easy transfers, accurate reminders of un-downloaded available updates, easy links to all the builds accurately labeled with the versions. Well done.

A small suggestion/request: I often think it would be helpful to have in the User Area a difference list of the products that I do *not* yet own. It's easier that navigating the menus, and I would find it easier to plan purchases to take advantage of your discounts and so forth. Just a quick link and price like on the Purchase Page since the Purchase Page has no link to the product page(s).
Cordelia - Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:32 pm
mn wrote:
On a different subject, Aleksey, you deserve credit for having what I consider to be one of the most customer friendly website of all developers. There are many that have good sites, no doubt, but yours is among the most user friendly. Easy transfers, accurate reminders of un-downloaded available updates, easy links to all the builds accurately labeled with the versions. Well done.


I agree completely. Great site, great products, great prices, great C/P, great support, great freebies. Can't say enough.
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:36 pm
mn wrote:
A small suggestion/request: I often think it would be helpful to have in the User Area a difference list of the products that I do *not* yet own. It's easier that navigating the menus, and I would find it easier to plan purchases to take advantage of your discounts and so forth. Just a quick link and price like on the Purchase Page since the Purchase Page has no link to the product page(s).

Thanks for the idea and feedback!
Dandruff - Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:06 pm
soundpalace wrote:
I personally feel that this DC filter should be left as an option to the user and hope would at least reconsider it. I always like when ultimate control over every little detail is left to the user with no assumptions that the user will want a DC filter on their material.


Agreed.


Also when bypassing the plugins via their internal bypass button, its denormal noise shouldn't be added to the output anymore. Makes no sense to me.
Aleksey Vaneev - Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:08 pm
Dandruff wrote:
Also when bypassing the plugins via their internal bypass button, its denormal noise shouldn't be added to the output anymore. Makes no sense to me.

What sense in not having denormal noise added considering bypass state is only used for short periods of time?
Dandruff - Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:18 pm
bypass = "no processing at all" for my understanding ...
Kim Lajoie - Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:06 pm
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Kim (esoundz) wrote:
The saturator lost the bias control!

Was it that much important in your opinion? In my opinion bias control's effect was mostly unuseful. Beside that Voxformer V2 features a smoother saturation algorithm.


It was good for special effects... Embarassed

-Kim.
SuperFly76 - Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:34 pm
mn wrote:
On a different subject, Aleksey, you deserve credit for having what I consider to be one of the most customer friendly website of all developers. There are many that have good sites, no doubt, but yours is among the most user friendly. Easy transfers, accurate reminders of un-downloaded available updates, easy links to all the builds accurately labeled with the versions. Well done.


Agreed! Your site is a shining model of ecommerce Aleksey! I've always admired the Voxengo site. It's simple, clear, and concise. I really can't add more than the post above. It just works.

mn wrote:
A small suggestion/request: I often think it would be helpful to have in the User Area a difference list of the products that I do *not* yet own. It's easier that navigating the menus, and I would find it easier to plan purchases to take advantage of your discounts and so forth. Just a quick link and price like on the Purchase Page since the Purchase Page has no link to the product page(s).


OOoooh... I don't know if I like that idea. It would probably increase my impulse spending too much. I'd be thinking "this is what I have but, ooooohhhh (drool) I could have so much more". What might be a better idea is to have a wish list where we can add things to it and they automatically get removed when we make the purchase. This isn't a critique of course. Your site is just fine without either of these suggestions IMO.
geroyannis - Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:58 pm
I've only played with the multiband gate and the presence tools so far and all I can say is "wow!!" This is easily the best gate I've ever used.

I had a horrible snare track with bleeding from cymbals, kick and even the singer's voice! All this bleeding at really high volume. With the gate tool it was very easy to eliminate the bleed without any abrupt envelopes. And the high frequencies that were lost due to the cutting of bleed from the cymbals were restored afterwards with the presence tool.

Can't wait to try tomorrow the rest of the features.
Aleksey Vaneev - Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:36 am
Dandruff wrote:
bypass = "no processing at all" for my understanding ...

That's pure maximalism. Beside that adding a very quiet denormal noise does not mean processing.
SuperFly76 - Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:46 am
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Dandruff wrote:
bypass = "no processing at all" for my understanding ...

That's pure maximalism. Beside that adding a very quiet denormal noise does not mean processing.


I agree Aleksey. Personally if I want to totally bypass a plug, I will do it in my host. That guarantees the plug is in bypass. That, and many plugs don't have a bypass button so I have to use the host's bypass feature.
Dandruff - Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:47 am
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
That's pure maximalism. Beside that adding a very quiet denormal noise does not mean processing.

Of course it's "perfection" Smile

But why not? For example if you have Flux Stereo Tool (free VST) inserted after your plugins it shows this dither noise in its correlation meter.

Is this denormal noise even needed on current CPUs (Intel Core for example)? I mean we now have 64bit processing but still always add noise to each signal? I don't get it.
Aleksey Vaneev - Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:55 am
SuperFly76 wrote:
mn wrote:
A small suggestion/request: I often think it would be helpful to have in the User Area a difference list of the products that I do *not* yet own. It's easier that navigating the menus, and I would find it easier to plan purchases to take advantage of your discounts and so forth. Just a quick link and price like on the Purchase Page since the Purchase Page has no link to the product page(s).


OOoooh... I don't know if I like that idea. It would probably increase my impulse spending too much. I'd be thinking "this is what I have but, ooooohhhh (drool) I could have so much more". What might be a better idea is to have a wish list where we can add things to it and they automatically get removed when we make the purchase. This isn't a critique of course. Your site is just fine without either of these suggestions IMO.

If we are to implement this "licenses you do not own" list, it will be pretty compact.
SuperFly76 - Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:56 am
Dandruff wrote:
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
That's pure maximalism. Beside that adding a very quiet denormal noise does not mean processing.

Of course it's "perfection" Smile

But why not? For example if you have Flux Stereo Tool (free VST) inserted after your plugins it shows this dither noise in its correlation meter.

Is this denormal noise even needed on current CPUs (Intel Core for example)? I mean we now have 64bit processing but still always add noise to each signal? I don't get it.


DC denormalisation is totally unrelated to CPUs. I think you might be confusing DC denormalisation of an audio file with the Pentium 4 denormalisation problem. Both use the term denormalize but they are completely unrelated things. It's like the word compression. It can be used to refer to how an audio file is compressed by a compressor or compressed by an mp3 codec. Both use the same word but are totally different.

DC denormalization has to do with the actual recorded waveform. It's when the center of the peaks over a significant period of time is not centered.
Aleksey Vaneev - Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:58 am
Dandruff wrote:
Is this denormal noise even needed on current CPUs (Intel Core for example)? I mean we now have 64bit processing but still always add noise to each signal? I don't get it.

Yes, of course. Denormal problem can't go away in any generation of x86 CPU, because it is related to IEEE floating point standard and its precision requirements. Denormals can only be handled by the software.

Turning -170 dB noise completely off is not a perfection - it is a maximalism.
Aleksey Vaneev - Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:01 am
SuperFly76 wrote:
DC denormalisation is totally unrelated to CPUs. I think you might be confusing DC denormalisation of an audio file with the Pentium 4 denormalisation problem.

I'm not sure what you are talking about (DC denormalization - what's that?). Denormalized number handling problem was omni-present. On AMD processors it's just a lot more efficient, but is also present. Denormalized numbers require special handling when mixed with normal numbers. This is what happens when recursive filters work: they have to deal with denormalized tails and filter coefficients that are not denormalized.
SuperFly76 - Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:17 am
I'm talking about the same thing you are Aleksey. It seemed to me that the guy above was confusing denormal noise aka DC denormal noise, with the p4 denormalized number issue.

Dandruff wrote:
Is this denormal noise even needed on current CPUs (Intel Core for example)? I mean we now have 64bit processing but still always add noise to each signal? I don't get it.


I figured that since he was talking about modern cpu's that he was getting the 2 terms confused. I just wanted to point out that they are 2 different unrelated things. That's all.
MountainKing - Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:34 am
I have to admit that I don't understand 80% of the recent discussion.



But in the end: shouldn't we make music? Smile
Dandruff - Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:50 am
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Yes, of course. Denormal problem can't go away in any generation of x86 CPU, because it is related to IEEE floating point standard and its precision requirements. Denormals can only be handled by the software.

Ok. Still, I think in bypassed mode there should be no denormal noise coming out of the plugin.
koolkeys - Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:55 am
So if a plugin causes denormal noise in a forest when nobody can hear it, did it really make a sound?







Sorry, bad joke. Although I will say that if I can't hear it without looking at a meter, it probably isn't hurting anything.

Brent
Aleksey Vaneev - Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:02 am
Dandruff wrote:
Ok. Still, I think in bypassed mode there should be no denormal noise coming out of the plugin.

Thanks for your opinion. Wink
JeffSanders - Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:49 am
I wasn't 100% in love with the first Voxformer plugin, to be honest. The features and concept were brilliant, but I just wasn't blown away with the compressor algo in it (Marquis annihilated it imho). This one is phenomenal. Beauty.

MountainKing wrote:
I have to admit that I don't understand 80% of the recent discussion.



But in the end: shouldn't we make music? Smile


Amen to that. We're not worthy....

Time to go make some music...thanks for this plugin, Aleksey!!
Ixox - Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:12 am
Very Happy A V2 of Voxformer... (I was supposed not to buy any more effects.)

Voxformer has been on the voice track of all my songs since a long time.
Thanks for this nice V2.

FYI, on your site, in my user area, i can see some updates of products i don't own anymore.

Xavier
Aleksey Vaneev - Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:27 am
Ixox wrote:
FYI, on your site, in my user area, i can see some updates of products i don't own anymore.

Thanks for noticing this, this will be fixed.
mn - Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:52 am
MountainKing wrote:
I have to admit that I don't understand 80% of the recent discussion.

Don't worry, that's denormal.
de la Mancha - Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:35 am
just upgraded to V2, instantly impressed with the gate debreather and de-esser Very Happy
Aleksey Vaneev - Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:05 am
Thanks, I'm happy Smile
hivkorn - Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:42 am
Quote:
So if a plugin causes denormal noise in a forest when nobody can hear it, did it really make a sound?



Damn Terry Pratchett is here!!! Very Happy
sureno - Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:43 am
had to get this, truely a lovely plug in HiHi
don1thedon - Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:23 pm
Alexsey rules, I love Voxformer and now have a new love!
Thanks
Don
soundpalace - Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:37 pm
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Ixox wrote:
FYI, on your site, in my user area, i can see some updates of products i don't own anymore.

Thanks for noticing this, this will be fixed.


+1 Remember I had reported this for my Crunchessor license? Would be nice to get rid of that Smile
SuperFly76 - Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:43 pm
Wow Aleksey! I've started putting V2 through it's paces today.

What can I say? This thing is amazing! Version one was a regular in my toolkit. I used it all the time. V2 is even better. The compressor sounds more smooth. The routing has been improved. I love the dry mix knob. The added features here are more than worth the upgrade price. This plugin is just so deep now, both sound wise and in what you can do. You somehow managed to cram in a lot more useful features but at the same time make it even more intuitive to use. I am very, very impressed!

As others have said, this has grown from a vocal processing plugin into a full featured channel strip.

I knew that V2 was going to be good, but I didn't expect to be this blown away by it.
thomekk - Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:44 am
I'm really looking forward using the Version 2, really!! Thanks Wink
adl - Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:10 am
Boy this version is sooo much better! Smile

Just replacing all version 1 voxformers with version 2 voxformers and the vocals sound way better. Yozu really can tweak everything so nice and and the "solo" function makes it super easy to get every section right.

Thanx for your afford and keep up the great work Aleksey! Smile
MountainKing - Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:04 pm
OK, I did the upgrade as well!


Very nice.

Way better regarding the "workflow" thing. Very intuitive. The GUI is kind of much more "inviting".

Very good job!


Tweaking the EQ is a pleasure now.

I really DO consider if I really need the GlissEQ anymore... since the EQ in here is a very good one by itself.

Here we have it all-in-one. A real chanel strip (as stated above)!


BTW: I like the BIG GUI very much!
Aleksey Vaneev - Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:21 pm
Thanks for more of your comments! Well, it is indeed a complete channel strip, but changing its name is a bit counter-productive marketing-wise. Not to mention again that compressor is designed for vocals.
Dandruff - Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:38 pm
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Thanks for more of your comments! Well, it is indeed a complete channel strip, but changing its name is a bit counter-productive marketing-wise. Not to mention again that compressor is designed for vocals.

Just do a dedicated channel strip plugin with a general purpose compressor. I guess it would become a bestseller!
Aleksey Vaneev - Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:12 pm
Dandruff wrote:
Just do a dedicated channel strip plugin with a general purpose compressor. I guess it would become a bestseller!

Well, no, it won't Smile The market is really is saturated on that route. And when you consider mastodons like SSL, Neve and other brands have joined the DSP competition (via Waves, UAD and other collaborations), it's not that easy to make a best-seller, at all. In such competition a plug-in may be good for those who know, but not for those who pay.
Dandruff - Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:42 pm
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
The market is really is saturated on that route.


But not with Voxengo's quality!


Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
In such competition a plug-in may be good for those who know, but not for those who pay.


Ok, I see. Almost forgot about the warez stuff Smile


Ok, waiting for GlissEQ 3 Smile
dickiefunk - Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:20 pm
I just bought it aswell. Looking forward to checking it out after the weekend!
dickiefunk - Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:51 pm
Just a quick question. When installing v2.0 do I need do uninstall v1.9 or will v2.0 overwrite v1.9?
Dandruff - Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:53 pm
dickiefunk wrote:
Just a quick question. When installing v2.0 do I need do uninstall v1.9 or will v2.0 overwrite v1.9?

2.0 doesn't replace 1.9 as it's using a new development framework. You can use both versions side by side if you want.
SuperFly76 - Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:33 am
You can use both V1 and V2 plugs side by side. They utilize a different architecture. They appear to your host as 2 different plugins. I keep all my V1 plugins installed so that I can be backwards compatible with all my old projects.

Edit:

Whoops! Didn't see your reply there Dandruff.
lordnielson - Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:05 am
Nice.. Thumbs Up!

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