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soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:08 am

Hey Urs, can you please create a sticky in this forum for jupiter8's awesome converter for Zebra2

Available at: http://www.tekno.chalmers.se/~magolo/synth/

And perhaps if there are any other good little tools like this, they can be added? I just realized how hard it was to find this tool, even when using Google Smile

Thanks a lot
Fots

Edit: Thread renamed Smile

jupiter8 - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:17 am

http://sites.google.com/site/wav2zebra2/

This side is a bit messy but use this one instead. The JUCE version is identical but i believe there's a bug in the Java version that (i believe) is fixed on this site.

The Java version is much better than the old JUCE version so use that one if possible. It allows for straight wav import and you can double click on the cells to load a sample for example. It's ugly as sin though.

soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:22 am

Thanks a lot mate, I'm just playing with it now, and the newer version you posted is a lot better. I had some issues getting the exported waves to load with the previous version.

Is there a recommendation as to which note we should sample to produce the waveform? Is a low pitch better for accuracy purposes?

I also tried comparing the original waveform I am trying to import with the final imported version (at the same pitch) and they actually sound quite different. Is this to be expected?

Thanks Smile

jupiter8 - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:27 am

soundpalace wrote:

Is there a recommendation as to which note we should sample to produce the waveform? Is a low pitch better for accuracy purposes?

Not really. It gets resampled to a length of 128 samples so the closer to that the better. Don't know how much it matters though but that's the theory anyways.

I was thinking about implementing a better interpolation algorithm but have'nt bothered so far. There's plenty of stuff going on under the hood in Zebra2 so i don't think it matters that much.

jupiter8 - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:31 am

soundpalace wrote:

I also tried comparing the original waveform I am trying to import with the final imported version (at the same pitch) and they actually sound quite different. Is this to be expected?

Yes and no. In the first version i did a FFT/iFFT conversion for a couple of reasons i won't bore you with.

In the new version you can have raw export as well (or both at the same time).
The FFTd version can differ quite a bit from the original but the raw one is just interpolated to a different length so it should be almost identical if it's a short waveform. If you load Vivaldi's 4 seasons in there it's obviously not going to resemble the original Very Happy

soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:34 am

Cool

Forgive my silliness, but where exactly is that option? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks for all your help!
Fots

jupiter8 - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:39 am

soundpalace wrote:

Cool

Forgive my silliness, but where exactly is that option? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks for all your help!
Fots

Are you using the Wav2Zebra2Java version ? It's under preferences. In the old one (the screenshot you see on the page) that option isn't implemented.

soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:47 am

jupiter8 wrote:

soundpalace wrote:

Cool

Forgive my silliness, but where exactly is that option? I can't seem to find it.

Thanks for all your help!
Fots

Are you using the Wav2Zebra2Java version ? It's under preferences. In the old one (the screenshot you see on the page) that option isn't implemented.

Ah, I apologize, I was using the other version. I'll install JRE and try the Java one now.

Thanks a lot Wink

jupiter8 - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:55 am

soundpalace wrote:

I'll install JRE

That is the downside to do stuff in Java. It's a pain in the butt if you don't have Java installed. I noticed some sluggish behaviour at times too. The Juce version sometimes feel snappier.

However the Java version works on Macs (and Linux) , has keyboard shortcuts and is generally faster to use (at least i think so),you can double click on the cells etc. It has the raw export already mentioned and probably some other stuff i have forgot about. It should be better in pretty much every respect compared to the version you're running now.

It does'nt auto normalize which i believe the old version did. If that's a problem,just normalize the waves first (or do it in Zebra). I remember having a hard time deciding which path to take regarding t auto normalizing but i believe i decided against it since you can do that externally.

I have'nt had that much user feedback regarding feature request so either it sucks balls and noone is using it or people are generally happy with the choices i made. Or maybe people are afraid of me and don't dare to ask. Very Happy

I believe i can seem like quite a grudge at times but i'm generally quite friendly. Promise. HiHi

soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:06 am

jupiter8 wrote:

soundpalace wrote:

I'll install JRE

I believe i can seem like quite a grudge at times but i'm generally quite friendly. Promise. HiHi

It's all good, well I installed JRE and the new version indeed is a LOT better, the RAW version sounds almost the same as the original. The DFT version sounds very different.

I don't mind installing JRE personally because I plan to convert some waves and then uninstall Java, I guess this is not something you do every day anyway.

Regarding the normalization, I expected to have to normalize my WAV file anyway, so that doesn't affect me to be honest.

Thanks again for all your help and answers! This post has been extremely informative and will hopefully help someone in future who comes across the same questions Smile

The main annoyance I am facing appears to be a bug in Zebra (2.3.1). When loading different waveforms which uses GeoBlend, it doesn't seem to actually take affect aurally. If you move the Normalise knob a bit, it wakes up and properly loads the waveform. Have you experienced this behavior also?

jupiter8 - Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:14 am

soundpalace wrote:

Yes i have and i know Urs has looked into it. I believe it got a bit better but not completely solved. It's quite a weird problem because i don't think it always happens,just sometimes. I'm not aware of anything i can do on my part to fix this. If there is i'll fix it but in the meantime you need to nag Urs about it.

soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:48 am

Cool, I'll be sure to bug him about it Smile

I have just been toying around with your awesome tool and cutting up some soundfont samples! I have created my first choir attempt for Zebra2 and it doesn't sound too bad Smile

Certainly a lot closer than most other synths I've tried imho.

Check it out
http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.mp3

jupiter8 - Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:07 am

soundpalace wrote:

Cool, I'll be sure to bug him about it Smile

I have just been toying around with your awesome tool and cutting up some soundfont samples! I have created my first choir attempt for Zebra2 and it doesn't sound too bad Smile

Certainly a lot closer than most other synths I've tried imho.

Check it out
http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.mp3

Wow, that was amazing. I really liked that sound. Reminds me of an old Fairlight sample or something.

soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:21 am

jupiter8 wrote:

soundpalace wrote:

Cool, I'll be sure to bug him about it Smile

I have just been toying around with your awesome tool and cutting up some soundfont samples! I have created my first choir attempt for Zebra2 and it doesn't sound too bad Smile

Certainly a lot closer than most other synths I've tried imho.

Check it out
http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.mp3

Wow, that was amazing. I really liked that sound. Reminds me of an old Fairlight sample or something.

Thanks so much Smile

It's wonderful how musical Zebra2 sounds. By removing the unison and chorus, changing the envelopes and making a few more little adjustements, you can come up with completely new (entirely different sounding) presets. Here's the result:

http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Love%20Story.mp3

Your tool really opens a whole new world for Zebra2, I hope to get into it further over the next few days.

Thanks again for all your help Smile

billstei - Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:49 am

soundpalace wrote:

Cool, I'll be sure to bug him about it Smile

I have just been toying around with your awesome tool and cutting up some soundfont samples! I have created my first choir attempt for Zebra2 and it doesn't sound too bad Smile

Certainly a lot closer than most other synths I've tried imho.

Check it out
http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.mp3

That was so good I almost confessed my sins to a VST.

sinzero - Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:20 am

soundpalace wrote:

Check it out
http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.mp3

I want that patch!

soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:59 pm

Here you go fellas Smile

http://users.on.net/~djbros/Boys%20Choir.h2p

It plays best in the low ranges since it is a boys choir after-all. Please post any variants you may come up with.

Howard - Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:43 pm

Wierd that people here have been mentioning bells and vocal sounds on Zebra - those are the main two I've been working on recently. Here's an example of two vocal sounds:
go to http://www.sendspace.com/file/e9fzek
...and click the download link at the bottom of the page.

billstei - Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:40 pm

An inquiry of my dog concerning the missing vocalists has yielded the following:

http://www.hbci.com/~billstei/pub/zebra2/My%20Dog%20Ate%20a%20Boys%20Choir.h2p

georgelegeriii - Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:49 pm

soundpalace wrote:

Cool, I'll be sure to bug him about it Smile

I have just been toying around with your awesome tool and cutting up some soundfont samples! I have created my first choir attempt for Zebra2 and it doesn't sound too bad Smile

Certainly a lot closer than most other synths I've tried imho.

Check it out
http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.mp3

LOVE that sound...

So... how exactly did you do this?

G

(Sorry to be coming in so late in the thread, this sound is so cool, I had to comment)

sinzero - Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:06 pm

soundpalace wrote:

Here you go fellas Smile

http://users.on.net/~djbros/Boys%20Choir.h2p

It plays best in the low ranges since it is a boys choir after-all. Please post any variants you may come up with.

thank you! Very Happy

sinzero - Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:08 pm

Howard wrote:

when do they come out of hiding?

soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:25 pm

Howard wrote:

Amazing! I love it! There's something gothic sounding about it, quite haunting actually Smile

billstei wrote:

An inquiry of my dog concerning the missing vocalists has yielded the following:

http://www.hbci.com/~billstei/pub/zebra2/My%20Dog%20Ate%20a%20Boys%20Choir.h2p

Very nice. Thanks for sharing Smile

georgelegeriii wrote:

soundpalace wrote:

Cool, I'll be sure to bug him about it Smile

I have just been toying around with your awesome tool and cutting up some soundfont samples! I have created my first choir attempt for Zebra2 and it doesn't sound too bad Smile

Certainly a lot closer than most other synths I've tried imho.

Check it out
http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.mp3

LOVE that sound...

So... how exactly did you do this?

G

(Sorry to be coming in so late in the thread, this sound is so cool, I had to comment)

Well here was how I went about creating this sound...

1) I grabbed one of the wave files from the free Choir Aahs soundfont and chopped up 14 single cycle waveforms from the wave file
2) I then used jupiter8's tool to convert them to a wavetable for Zebra2
3) I then selected the most choir sounding wavetable of them all, and added ensemble effects (unison, chorus) and reverb. In addition, I added some movement to the wavetable via a slow LFO, just so the sound morphs constantly.
4) At this point I wasn't satisfied it sounded enough like a choir, so I created a VCF formant filter in one of the lanes and tweaked until I got it sounding more like a choir, the result of this was mixed with the main sound. Also I added EQ, boosting the appropriate frequencies to emphasize the choir sound further.

Hope that helps Smile

I should probably rename the title of this thread shouldn't I HiHi

soundpalace - Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:14 pm

Hey jupiter, I have a few requests for the wav tool if you would consider them...

1) The Clear All Cells button doesn't seem to work correctly
2) Can you possibly make the program remember all options that can be set in the "Preferences" menu

Thanks a lot Smile

Howard - Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:58 pm

billstei wrote:

An inquiry of my dog concerning the missing vocalists has yielded the following: http://www.hbci.com/~billstei/pub/zebra2/My%20Dog%20Ate%20a%20Boys%20Choir.h2p

Nice sound, whacky name! HiHi

jupiter8 - Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:20 am

soundpalace wrote:

http://sites.google.com/site/wav2zebra2/

There's a new version that i believe fixes the clear all cells.

Revisited the code today and there was an embarrasing amount of bugs in that code. Embarassed

Stupid newbie errors like i switched the source and target when i copied data.

I could'nt get the keyboard shortcut to work. I noticed it was CTRL-C which is system default for copy so i just tried CTRL-D instead and it worked fine. Not sure if that combination is reserved for the system but it works.

Regarding 2) i doubt that but maybe i'll look into it one day. There's like one thing to change so i don't quite see the big deal. I believe the preferences are quite an ugly hack so it could take some doing to implement this. I'm not sure.

I could make it default to your prefered settings though. That's a piece of cake.

soundpalace - Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:32 am

jupiter8 wrote:

soundpalace wrote:

Thanks a lot! The new version seems perfect so far, and it does save the export path in an INI file which is the main preference which is awesome Smile

Howard - Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:30 am

[quote="jupiter8"]

soundpalace wrote:

http://sites.google.com/site/wav2zebra2/
There's a new version that i believe fixes the clear all cells.

Many thanks, JP8!

Does anyone here know of a good source for pure + short WAVs of acoustic instruments? I'm thinking flutes, church organs, stringed instruments...

Urs - Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:56 am

[quote="Howard"]

jupiter8 wrote:

soundpalace wrote:

http://sites.google.com/site/wav2zebra2/
There's a new version that i believe fixes the clear all cells.

Many thanks, JP8!

Does anyone here know of a good source for pure + short WAVs of acoustic instruments? I'm thinking flutes, church organs, stringed instruments...

HZ?

jupiter8 - Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:56 am

[quote="Howard"]

jupiter8 wrote:

soundpalace wrote:

http://sites.google.com/site/wav2zebra2/
There's a new version that i believe fixes the clear all cells.

Many thanks, JP8!

Does anyone here know of a good source for pure + short WAVs of acoustic instruments? I'm thinking flutes, church organs, stringed instruments...

http://theremin.music.uiowa.edu/MIS.html

groundhum - Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:53 am

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sound_samples

billstei - Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:18 am

Howard wrote:

billstei wrote:

An inquiry of my dog concerning the missing vocalists has yielded the following: http://www.hbci.com/~billstei/pub/zebra2/My%20Dog%20Ate%20a%20Boys%20Choir.h2p

Nice sound, whacky name! HiHi

I felt like I had lost too much of the vocal-ness of the sound, and I needed to either throw it away or keep it and find someone to blame. Any moron can twist knobs, but it takes years of practice and a highly developed insensitivity to blame a 4 pound dog like this:

Special European Translation Notes: Pound estimates reflect gravity not cost. Actually dog costs are much higher, and include initial purchase, food, floor diapers, veterinarian bills, grooming, owner distress, and probably a full-blown funeral service with a paid organist playing one of my mediocre patches.

Howard - Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:49 am

BTW Bells (I can't find that other thread right now)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/byd98q

This patch can give you anything from a glass lid to a large church bell, depending upon the chord you play.

Note the use of SB filters and the way "soft reverb" is done here.

bmrzycki - Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:01 am

Howard wrote:

This patch can give you anything from a glass lid to a large church bell, depending upon the chord you play.
Note the use of SB filters and the way "soft reverb" is done here.

That is an incredibly beautiful preset. Thank you for sharing it!

And thank you to soundpalace and billstei for the choir patches. I'll wrap all of these up once the thread slows down for the preset library.

Cheers!

mcnoone - Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:53 pm

Does anyone have WavesToZebra, working on MacOSX?
The java version does not work on my MacG4.OSx10.3.9
It display's a notice saying ...this version is not compatible.
Maybe I need that java plugin called...plumstone, or something installed.
Thanks,
Mike

sinzero - Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:09 pm

Howard wrote:

ooo...very nice

thx!

ZenPunkHippy - Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:21 pm

MCnoone wrote:

Works for me on 10.5.6 - probably not much help to know that, as it's several OS versions later and an Intel CPU. Can't recall if I had to update Java or not, pretty sure it worked straight up.

Peace,
Andy.

mcnoone - Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:27 pm

ZenPunkHippy wrote:

Oh, I'll be getting a new Mac pretty soon (not soon enouph), so maybe it will work then. Thanks.
Thanks to everyone for the cool presets in this thread.

JEAN LUC LEFRANC - Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:04 am

MCnoone wrote:

Hi,
Here, WavesToZebra working fine on my G4.Quicksilver OSx10.4.11 Tiger

Breeze - Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:15 pm

I'm really interested in experimenting with Wav2Zebra2Java but whenever I try running it on my MBP/Leo 10.5.6 "the application Jar Launcher quits unexpectedly..."

What exactly do I have to do to run this code?

Thanks!

paradiddle - Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:19 am

Thanks for this Jupiter8!

peterdh - Wed May 06, 2009 10:39 am

Thank you Jupiter8 Smile

jupiter8 - Wed May 06, 2009 11:57 am

You're all very welcome and thanks for all the praise.

As to why it does'nt run on some Macs and does on others i don't have a clue. I don't have a Mac and even if i did i'm not sure i would know what the problem was. Beats me.

jupiter8 - Tue May 19, 2009 3:59 am

Updated. Read all about it here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3590236#3590236

HunterKiller - Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:57 am

Howard wrote:

I simply love this patch. Howard is this going to be a part of a new zebra pack or...?

Howard - Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:15 am

HunterKiller wrote:

Howard wrote:

go to http://www.sendspace.com/file/e9fzek

Howard is this going to be a part of a new zebra pack or...?

Yes.

HunterKiller - Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:53 am

Howard wrote:

HunterKiller wrote:

Howard wrote:

go to http://www.sendspace.com/file/e9fzek

Howard is this going to be a part of a new zebra pack or...?

Yes.

Excellent looking forward to that!

replicator - Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:48 am

Howard wrote:

This is truly amazing Smile

Sounds like a ensemble with a female soprano. Are the .fxp only coming with the next Zebra pack Wink

Quote:

http://users.on.net/~djbros/Boys%20Choir.h2p

http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.%20mp3

These links did not work Sad

Are the files shared another place?

Thanks for the new tool Jupiter8!

jupiter8 - Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:08 am

replicator wrote:

Howard wrote:

This is truly amazing Smile

Sounds like a ensemble with a female soprano. Are the .fxp only coming with the next Zebra pack Wink

Quote:

http://users.on.net/~djbros/Boys%20Choir.h2p

http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.%20mp3

These links did not work Sad

Are the files shared another place?

Thanks for the new tool Jupiter8!

I uploaded the preset here: http://www.box.net/shared/7mz16nt7zp
Hope the creator doesn't mind. I didn't do this preset.

Glad you liked the Wav2Zebra2. It's being superceeded by Billstei's Blueberry thingie for the moment but it had a good run me thinks.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=253488&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
It's in there somewhere. I only briefly looked at it but i felt mine was easier to use. That could obviously has something to do with i created the damn thing exactly the way i wanted it in the first place. HiHi

Howard - Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:40 am

replicator wrote:

Howard wrote:

Wierd that people here have been mentioning bells and vocal sounds on Zebra - those are the main two I've been working on recently. Here's an example of two vocal sounds: go to http://www.sendspace.com/file/e9fzek
...and click the download link at the bottom of the page.

This is truly amazing Smile

Sounds like a ensemble with a female soprano. Are the .fxp only coming with the next Zebra pack Wink

Those two sounds were used in "Angels and Demons" movie, but I plan to do a deal to make them (plus many others from A+D, as well as from "The Dark Knight") available. If that works out, the answer will eventually be "yes".

soundpalace - Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:59 am

jupiter8 wrote:

replicator wrote:

Howard wrote:

This is truly amazing Smile

Sounds like a ensemble with a female soprano. Are the .fxp only coming with the next Zebra pack Wink

Quote:

http://users.on.net/~djbros/Boys%20Choir.h2p

http://users.on.net/~djbros/Zebra2%20Boys%20Choir.%20mp3

These links did not work Sad

Are the files shared another place?

Thanks for the new tool Jupiter8!

Thanks heaps jupiter8, I usually delete stuff from my URL since it's got very limited storage Smile

I certainly don't mind you sharing them.

replicator - Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:21 am

jupiter8 wrote:

Glad you liked the Wav2Zebra2. It's being superceeded by Billstei's Blueberry thingie for the moment but it had a good run me thinks.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=253488&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
It's in there somewhere. I only briefly looked at it but i felt mine was easier to use. That could obviously has something to do with i created the damn thing exactly the way i wanted it in the first place. HiHi

Yea, Wave2Zebra2 adds creativity to patches Smile

The Billstei's creation is interesting but to advanced for me at this time, I will stick to the Wav2Zebra2 because I am familiar with the older version.

Thanks again

Replicator

aMUSEd - Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:26 am

Howard wrote:

replicator wrote:

Howard wrote:

Wierd that people here have been mentioning bells and vocal sounds on Zebra - those are the main two I've been working on recently. Here's an example of two vocal sounds: go to http://www.sendspace.com/file/e9fzek
...and click the download link at the bottom of the page.

This is truly amazing Smile

Sounds like a ensemble with a female soprano. Are the .fxp only coming with the next Zebra pack Wink

Yes! Yes! yes!

replicator - Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:40 am

Quote:

I am impressed Smile

I have not seen those movies yet, only read the book "Angels and Demons" - Dave Brown. If you can persuade Illuminati and the plans goes through please spread the word Smile

Best regards

Replicator

Howard - Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:05 am

replicator wrote:

...if you can persuade Illuminati...

replicator - Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:29 am

Howard wrote:

replicator wrote:

...if you can persuade Illuminati...

Conspiracy is everywhere, just look for it Smile

Fots and Howard inspired me with their presets. So here is my first try with a choir sound:

http://www.box.net/shared/tkxeedf73i

Cheers

Rep

replicator - Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:03 am

soundpalace wrote:

When loading different waveforms which uses GeoBlend, it doesn't seem to actually take affect aurally. If you move the Normalise knob a bit, it wakes up and properly loads the waveform. Have you experienced this behavior also?

I have experienced the same. One trick I have tried is to switch from Geoblend to Spectroblend and then back to Geoblend. Then the "amplitude" of the waveform changes immediately. I guess normalising turning the knob in Zebra do much the same.

Thanks a lot for the beautiful choir preset Smile

Replicator

djsubject - Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:08 am

Howard wrote:

HunterKiller wrote:

Howard wrote:

go to http://www.sendspace.com/file/e9fzek

Howard is this going to be a part of a new zebra pack or...?

Yes.

still saving for ZS1 (yes i know its not expensive) knowing my luck the new bank will come out the day after i get it & i still wont have all of the Howard patches available Crying or Very sad

SuperFly76 - Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:22 am

Howard wrote:

replicator wrote:

Howard wrote:

Wierd that people here have been mentioning bells and vocal sounds on Zebra - those are the main two I've been working on recently. Here's an example of two vocal sounds: go to http://www.sendspace.com/file/e9fzek
...and click the download link at the bottom of the page.

This is truly amazing Smile

Sounds like a ensemble with a female soprano. Are the .fxp only coming with the next Zebra pack Wink

That sounds amazing!!! I'd buy that sound bank in a heartbeat.

Howard - Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:47 am

djsubject wrote:

still saving for ZS1 (yes i know its not expensive) knowing my luck the new bank will come out the day after i get it...

If that happens, send me a PM, Subz Wink

zircon - Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:55 pm

Sorry for the stupid question... but how do you actually use the converter? What files do you download, how do you run them, how do you export? I thought I knew, but whatever application I got just exports blank patches that don't even load properly in Zebra, so I have no idea what I'm doing.

Even loading something like this-

http://www.tekno.chalmers.se/~magolo/synth/038StratSustTo045MaleVox.h2p

Doesn't work for me. I see the patch and can click on it in the browser, but it doesn't change any settings at all.

Urs - Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:55 am

I think you have to put them into the oscillator presets location and load it from there... and on a pre-2.5 Zebra you might have to wiggle the waveform knob a bit.

jupiter8 - Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:01 pm

zircon wrote:

You don't load them from the preset browser. You load them from the oscillator browser. You have 4 "squares" in the oscillator module which are called "Mix" FX" "Phase" the leftmost is most likely called "Default". That's the name of the loaded OSC preset. Click it and the OSC preset browser pops up and shows all OSC presets.

Mine are installed in C:\Program Files\u-he\Zebra2\Modules\Oscillator. Dunno where they're located on OSX. However the clue is in Modules/Osc so they're in a similar location on OSX.

kajiotaku - Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:42 pm

I have a question...Why doesn't Zebra already have a wav import function? Isn't it about time? o_O Or does it already have it and I don't know...

Edit: Actually, why isn't there a function to just use a wav for the osc in the drop down menu with the spectromorph thing and the geomorph or w/e things...you know what I'm talking about...right?

Urs - Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:52 am

kajiotaku wrote:

I have a question...Why doesn't Zebra already have a wav import function? Isn't it about time? o_O Or does it already have it and I don't know...

It's because I consider the spline approach (GeoMorph and SpectroMorph) superior to the wavetable approach (GeoBlend and SpectroBlend). As soon as people start dragging waveforms into the editor (which are inherently Blend and not Morph), editing waveforms by hand is dead.

kajiotaku - Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:10 pm

Who says it will be dead? People will still want to make their own waveforms. I myself like to doodle in it.

replicator - Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:38 am

Here is a choir patch for sound effects. It sounds best when played as a chord with 3 or more voices. And the keys must be hold for a while.

http://www.box.net/shared/pktl2v3e72

The patch uses the cluster mode and the patch are named after it.

Cheers

Rep

replicator - Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:15 pm

Quote:

Any news Howard? Would be a nice Christmas surprise to patch addicts like me Rolling Eyes

replicator - Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:43 am

I have one suggestion, web link to user waveforms. There must be a lot of templates around now. Why not collect them at one place? I would gladly share mine.

Cheers

Replicator

djsubject - Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:06 am

replicator wrote:

I have one suggestion, web link to user waveforms. There must be a lot of templates around now. Why not collect them at one place? I would gladly share mine.

Cheers

Replicator

you mean like this? http://www.u-he.com/PatchLib/

Smile

replicator - Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:05 am

djsubject wrote:

replicator wrote:

I have one suggestion, web link to user waveforms. There must be a lot of templates around now. Why not collect them at one place? I would gladly share mine.

Cheers

Replicator

you mean like this? http://www.u-he.com/PatchLib/

Smile

Ahh, I overlooked something here Embarassed

I forgot that the link covered everything from patch presets to MSEG and OSC. Should have browsed more carefully. Thank you!

Cheers

Replicator

arbee - Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:45 am

I tried this wavtozebra thing (java) last night and didn't get good results. When I convert a wav into h2p then load it in the OSC1 (example), it makes a really quiet OSC even though my wav was HUGE and almost peaking ?!

does when you upload this kind of OSC, it always end up in the same "oscillator mode" (spectroblend, geomorph, ect.) ???

luddy - Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:45 am

djsubject wrote:

you mean like this? http://www.u-he.com/PatchLib/

Smile

There are some patches from Urs and others, linked from that page, that use the scripting built into Zebra. Is there documentation of the scripting language available somewhere?

Thanks,

-Luddy

raikard233 - Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:58 am

The only one that i know so far is this one:

http://www.u-he.com/scripting/

PietW. - Sat May 22, 2010 9:23 am

Hi,

i have a question to wave2zebra.
What is the different between the Funktion "export dft and export raw!

Cheers

Piet

jupiter8 - Sat May 22, 2010 3:02 pm

PietW. wrote:

Hi,

i have a question to wave2zebra.
What is the different between the Funktion "export dft and export raw!

Cheers

Piet

The DFT makes a Fourier transform and then rebuilds it via an inverse Fourier transform. IIRC it's a Direct Fourier Transform. It ignores phase so the reconstruction can be quite different from the original. I had an idea that it would prevent cycles from looping properly (which it does).If you do it like that the resulting waveform will always loop correctly as it will always start and end on zero. It was also included simply because i wanted to experiment with Fourier Transforms. Mostly that probably.

The RAW export simply resamples the wave to 128 samples and exports that to Z2 so depending on the original it should be as close as you can get.

I was thinking about removing the DFT conversion because now i fell it's kind of stupid but left it in there anyways. Why not?

PietW. - Sun May 23, 2010 4:08 pm

Thanks a lot. Wink

Shabdahbriah - Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:02 pm

jupiter8 wrote:

In the new version you can have raw export as well (or both at the same time).
The FFTd version can differ quite a bit from the original but the raw one is just interpolated to a different length so it should be almost identical if it's a short waveform.

Hey man... I tried out the non-java version (very cool, btw) but there is only the .h2p export. Wasn't there an option for ".RAW" export as well?

If so, can I please get it? I want to experiment with some stuff.

Thanks...

~S~

jupiter8 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:32 am

Shabdahbriah wrote:

jupiter8 wrote:

Hey man... I tried out the non-java version (very cool, btw) but there is only the .h2p export. Wasn't there an option for ".RAW" export as well?

No not in the old version. I added that in the Java version. If you want it you need the Java version. BTW anything wrong with the Java version ? To me it's superiour in pretty much everything.

Shabdahbriah - Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:31 am

jupiter8 wrote:

Shabdahbriah wrote:

jupiter8 wrote:

Hey man... I tried out the non-java version (very cool, btw) but there is only the .h2p export. Wasn't there an option for ".RAW" export as well?

No not in the old version. I added that in the Java version. If you want it you need the Java version. BTW anything wrong with the Java version ? To me it's superiour in pretty much everything.

O.k., that's cool.

I haven't used the java one yet, but I'll try it now, thanks.

Cool

Shabdahbriah - Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:42 am

jupiter8 wrote:

... If you want it ["raw export"] you need the Java version. BTW anything wrong with the Java version ? To me it's superiour in pretty much everything.

Hey man, little update:

I tried the Java version and no joy. It looks great, and I set-up the export folder and everything, and used :open" and "double-clicking" wav files, which both worked, but it converts only to .h2p no matter what I had 'ticked' as an "export".

Interesting app, liked the interface, and really quick.

~S~

jupiter8 - Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:02 am

Shabdahbriah wrote:

jupiter8 wrote:

... If you want it ["raw export"] you need the Java version. BTW anything wrong with the Java version ? To me it's superiour in pretty much everything.

It's supposed to export .h2p files so i don't see the problem.
You can choose if you want raw or FFT or both. I believe i used to have a RAW suffix but removed it,maybe that's why you don't think it works ?

Shabdahbriah - Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:08 am

jupiter8 wrote:

Shabdahbriah wrote:

jupiter8 wrote:

... If you want it ["raw export"] you need the Java version. BTW anything wrong with the Java version ? To me it's superiour in pretty much everything.

Yes, I want the "raw" suffix. I misunderstood thinking that it could export "raw" format samples, as I am doing some (ummm) "experiments".

Smile

sorry.

jupiter8 - Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:27 am

Shabdahbriah wrote:

jupiter8 wrote:

Shabdahbriah wrote:

jupiter8 wrote:

... If you want it ["raw export"] you need the Java version. BTW anything wrong with the Java version ? To me it's superiour in pretty much everything.

Yes, I want the "raw" suffix. I misunderstood thinking that it could export "raw" format samples, as I am doing some (ummm) "experiments".

Smile

sorry.

Nah,then you misunderstood. It is the choice between a synthesized version or just exporting the wave as it is. Funny you should mention it,there's a program brewing in the lab that exports raw waveforms though i seem to have eaten a bog bowl of stupid lately so we'll see if it ever emerges.

jobromedia - Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:21 pm

Thanks for the wave converters. Have so far only tested the exe version, will test the java version though. But what I really would love to have is a feature to open up a h2p so you can continue working on it afterwards. Right now you have to convert all waveforms in one go. No problem for me, but it would be handy.

I was also thinking regarding waveform edit-abilities. Why not code a simple additive synthesizer to let the users compose new waveforms through additive synthesis.

Other functions that would be cool is if one could reverse / invert the waveforms...

I also have some problems in the java version with 32bit wav files claiming them not to be audio files.

Anyways a good tool indeed.

Howard - Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:28 pm

jobromedia wrote:

I was also thinking regarding waveform edit-abilities. Why not code a simple additive synthesizer to let the users compose new waveforms through additive synthesis.

That's what Zebra2's "SpectroBlend" oscillator mode does.

AnalogGuy1 - Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:37 am

Howard wrote:

jobromedia wrote:

I was also thinking regarding waveform edit-abilities. Why not code a simple additive synthesizer to let the users compose new waveforms through additive synthesis.

That's what Zebra2's "SpectroBlend" oscillator mode does.

Yeah, but for me anyway its really tricky to edit those first couple of harmonics in isolation. I'm trying now to nail a sound that has only a very small amount of fundamental and second harmonic, but lots of 3-6 harmonics (it's pretty cool...it tricks the ear into thinking the power of the waveform is lower than it is). Not saying it's impossible in SpectroBlend, but it requires plenty of painful pixel-accurate pointer placements.

Sendy - Tue May 03, 2011 1:33 am

AnalogGuy1 wrote:

Howard wrote:

jobromedia wrote:

I was also thinking regarding waveform edit-abilities. Why not code a simple additive synthesizer to let the users compose new waveforms through additive synthesis.

That's what Zebra2's "SpectroBlend" oscillator mode does.

Indeed... And making a wavetable with a discernable evolution and pattern in spectroblend? Painful pixel-accurate pointer placements cubed. Not really a fault with the interface as it works perfectly, and you can always resize to make clicking easier, but I think an external program for creating spectroblend wavetables would be a godsend - especially if it allowed you to create evolving tables easier.

Suppose I wanted to make a table where the first wave was a saw, the second wave had all odd harmonics, the third one had every third harmonic, etc. This is the sort of sequence spectroblend is ideal for, but it would take an age to draw without some kind of program that allowed you to 'paint' harmonically using tools designed for the job. (i.e, place every nth harmonic - harmonic loudness tool for click-dragging to set levels of harmonics without creating new ones, etc).

Howard - Tue May 03, 2011 1:54 am

Sendy wrote:

...but I think an external program for creating spectroblend wavetables would be a godsend...Suppose I wanted to make a table where the first wave was a saw, the second wave had all odd harmonics, the third one had every third harmonic, etc. This is the sort of sequence spectroblend is ideal for, but it would take an age to draw without some kind of program that allowed you to 'paint' harmonically using tools designed for the job. (i.e, place every nth harmonic - harmonic loudness tool for click-dragging to set levels of harmonics without creating new ones, etc).

I agree with all that except maybe the word "external" Wink

hakey - Tue May 03, 2011 2:11 am

Sendy wrote:

Indeed... And making a wavetable with a discernable evolution and pattern in spectroblend?[snip]Suppose I wanted to make a table where the first wave was a saw, the second wave had all odd harmonics, the third one had every third harmonic, etc. This is the sort of sequence spectroblend is ideal for, but it would take an age to draw without some kind of program that allowed you to 'paint' harmonically using tools designed for the job.

Couldn't agree more. At the moment editing in spectroblend is pretty much hit and miss. Editing with any accuracy is fairly tedious and mitigates against any experimentation requiring mathematical precision.

Drawing mathematically precise waves in Geomorph could be easier too.

For example, I had this idea to reproduce a perfect fifth interval by blending between a double sawtooth and a triple sawtooth - but accurately placing the handles in the correct positions (ie finding points at a third, half, and two thirds) was far more difficult than it need be.

Urs - Tue May 03, 2011 2:39 am

Jajaja

(one day I'll come up with sumpin'...)

Smile

Sendy - Tue May 03, 2011 9:43 am

Urs wrote:

Jajaja

(one day I'll come up with sumpin'...)

Smile

Polybius - Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:32 am

I'm thinking, but maybe my toughts stink, so don't hit me if i'm talking out of my a** Smile

Would it be doable for Zebra to import vector data created in a program like Illustrator/Freehand as a geomorph waveform? All that would be needed is for the waveform to be drawn in a certain "set-in-stone" aspect-ratio to be "importable". That way, we can draw our own waveform with our favourite program of choice (Illustrator *cough*), save as an .EPS or something, and import the wave in Zebra.

Is that a stupid idea? I bet it's a lot easier than programming a wave-drawing program inside Zebra. The waveform editor as it is now in Zebra must have been a real pain to program, even with its limited set of functions.

cturner - Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:38 am

Polybius wrote:

Would it be doable for Zebra to import vector data created in a program like Illustrator/Freehand as a geomorph waveform?

Certainly possible. The biggest problem I see is that AFAICT, the incantations for setting Geomorph data are not published anywhere.

Best, Charles

MagnumMusic - Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:49 am

Amazing software Smile

This is what i made thx to it:

http://www26.zippyshare.com/v/95386798/file.html

What do you guys think about it? any tips how to make it sound better? Smile

timaeus222 - Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:55 pm

I'm meaning to download this tonight. Can someone explain to me how to use this? I did a quick download and skim, and I don't see a manual or readme. Also, is the v5 good enough, or is the v6 suggested? If the v6, I don't really remember how to run it using the command prompt. I'm no super computer guru. Razz

@MagnumMusic: I like it. Very Happy

It's a little high on the wet signal so it's somewhat hard to hear the authenticity of a real voice, but the atmosphere is fantastic. Btw...

+1

I listened to it 8 times in 5 minutes.

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