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Urs - Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:35 pm
Breaking News: Bazille 0.6 has arrived here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=368443
January 12th 2012
http://www.u-he.com/downloads/Bazille05Mac.zip
http://www.u-he.com/downloads/Bazille05Win.zip
Free to use till December 31st 2012
-> adds file browser (with cables on top! What a sight!)
Dec 17th: Bazille goes alpha 0.4!
http://www.u-he.com/BazilleWin64.zip (also 32 bit)
http://www.u-he.com/BazilleMacAU64.zip (also 32 bit)
NOTE (Win users): Back up your own presets before you drag Bazille.data into Vstplugins... otherwise you might just overwrite yours
Added another year of free usage as the old a0.3 runs out end of this month.
Some minor update on Feb 8th:
I think I sussed out a lot of details for the 3rd synth.
I asked Eric from Analog To Digital if he would mind if I called it somthing along the lines of "Lush Modular" or L.u.s.h. as they have had a synth called "Lush" for quite a while. He doesn't mind
So as of current planing the three main synths in Berlin Modular will be
- Bazille (modular FM/PD synth)
- ACE XL (see ACE, but twice as many things)
- L.u.s.h. (lush u-he synth, supersaws, pads + formant filters)
Later,

Urs
New:
- speed improvements on Windows (I hope...)
- new 3d-ish wires
- right-click wire input plug to find wire drawing options
- sequence wires by connecting an input plug with another input plug (must be occupied)
Cheers,

Urs
Here are some patches:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SbRSHlJVyE
Q: When will it go public?
A: I don't know yet. Too many bugs I guess.
Q: When does it come out?
A: Wouldn't expect it before March/April 2010 (Musikmesse)
Q: What is Berlin Modular?
A: A modular synthesizer system, no screenshots yet...
Q: What is Bazille then?
A: One modular synth within the Berlin Modular System
Q: So there will be more?
A: Yes, I sure hope so.
Q: How much will it cost?
A: The question is: Do I need a new computer for this?
Q: Do I need a new computer for this?
A: Probably not. But you'd certainly appreciate a bit more cpu power.
Q: A-ha, so it cpu hungry?
A. Yes, absolutely.
Q: Are there more videos?
A: Yes, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-hZQ-lxUxM
and here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDvYOp6cGtk (this one is boring tho)
Q: Does it sound as bad as on Youtube?
A: No, it actually sounds quite good. Youtube's filter must have been startled to death
Q: Who can I bother with more questions?
A: I dare you! I want to finish this at some point...
Q: Can I haz Screenshotz?
A: ...
shogger - Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:40 pm
Da beeneez in software! One of the best synths I ever heard. The name is no joke and I think no coincidence. OK, it's a german insider.
Shogger
billstei - Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:50 pm
Just shorten the droopy wires to decrease CPU.
fjolle - Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:53 pm
Where can i buy it

?
koalaboy - Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:55 pm
I have the money. I have the computer power. Hook me up, Mr Urs
djanthonyw - Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:56 pm
billstei wrote:
Just shorten the droopy wires to decrease CPU.
No, it sounds more analog with the droopy wires.
ew - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:01 pm
As I said before, Urs, give me the synth and nobody will get hurt.
You wouldn't want innocent victims on your conscience, would you?
ew
rectus_dominus - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:06 pm
What makes this different than the Zebra?
pdxindy - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:07 pm
ew wrote:
As I said before, Urs, give me the synth and nobody will get hurt.
You wouldn't want innocent victims on your conscience, would you?
ew
by innocent victims do you mean all the cpu's this will make cry??
billstei - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:07 pm
djanthonyw wrote:
billstei wrote:
Just shorten the droopy wires to decrease CPU.
No, it sounds more analog with the droopy wires.
Well then use only hot yellow/orange/red colors for the wires.
justin3am - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:13 pm
I really don't want to hype this thing because I know how all that BS works but I will say that this is possibly the best sounding synth I've ever heard (and I've used A LOT of synths).
Me and my 8 cores are ready Mr. Heckmann.
Suloo - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:16 pm
Amazing!!
Wil be some great bass & whatever else..really cool Urs..thumbs up as always...
think i'll sell my TI hehe
Urs - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:24 pm
rectus_dominus wrote:
What makes this different than the Zebra?
Ah... I must add that question...
- it uses about 5-10 times the cpu of Zebra for a similar patch
- unlike Zebra it can patch things in a circular fashion (you can plug an oscillator in a filter, while using a filter output to modulate the oscillator, you catch the drift)
- Zebra separetes things into the rack on the left hand side (audio modules) and the one on the right hand side (modulators). Berlin Modular doesn't make that distinction. You can patch an envelope through a filter if you so wish.
- it is way more difficult to use than Zebra
- Zebra has a greater variety of modules and sounds
- Berlin Modular is for those who can not afford a full blown analogue modular synth but want some remotely similar fun. Or they just want to be able to save patches and play polyphonic.
Suloo - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:26 pm
Urs wrote:
rectus_dominus wrote:
What makes this different than the Zebra?
- it uses about 5-10 times the cpu of Zebra for a similar patch
hehe..glad to get a new computer soon..will see if it can stand it..actualy already infected
physae - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:39 pm
justin3am wrote:
I will say that this is possibly the best sounding synth I've ever heard (and I've used A LOT of synths).
Would that include hardware synths as well?
(From what I've heard so far of the BS, I have to agree with your statement...but I haven't had a chance to play enough hardware synths to say.)
(I *can* say that BS will be the softsynth that finally killed my Micron.)
ganymede - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:39 pm
I want this synth. NOWWWWWWWW!
Speakeasy - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:51 pm
wow!.... my 8-core and 16Gb ram are ready for this synth too.....
im waiting this fo sure!
standalone - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:53 pm
From the thread next door :
http://www.u-he.com/music/test.mp3
hakey - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:54 pm
I really like the filters! I don't know if it's just because you can audio rate mod them with anything, or the way that there's such a natural sounding progression through high res settings to self oscillation, or the effect that different 'Gain' settings has.
Q. High settings of Filter Gain seem to do something like wave shaping; at the same time it reduces the volume of filter self resonance. What exactly is Filter Gain doing?
Q. The lower filter can have negative values for Cut Off which can also be changed to Offset or Spread. What's this all about?
justin3am - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:55 pm
physae wrote:
justin3am wrote:
I will say that this is possibly the best sounding synth I've ever heard (and I've used A LOT of synths).
Would that include hardware synths as well?
I don't separate hardware from software. They are all just synths as far as I'm concerned. There is something about this synth that is very conducive to making sounds that cause me to go "WOW!!!!".
justin3am - Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:13 pm
hakey wrote:
Q. High settings of Filter Gain seem to do something like wave shaping; at the same time it reduces the volume of filter self resonance. What exactly is Filter Gain doing?
Q. The lower filter can have negative values for Cut Off which can also be changed to Offset or Spread. What's this all about?
1. The gain controls the amount of signal going into the filter. As you overdrive the input it takes up more of the filters headroom. The more headroom eaten up by the original signal, the less available for signal being fedback (resonance).
2. The Cwejman MMF1 has some filter types with two peaks (effectively, two cutoff freqs). There is one cutoff control to both peaks and a spread nob to control their separation. The Moog Lil' Phatty's filter works the same way. When you feed the first filter on Bazille to the second one, you can achieve the same kind of effect with the spread or offset. Offset controls the cutoff freq of filter 2 relative to filter 1.
hakey - Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:27 pm
Thanks justin.
So selecting Offset or Spread links the Cut Off of the two filters - and then Spread/Offset determines the relative position of Cut Off for the filters? What's the difference between Spread and Offset?
himalaya - Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:39 pm
The fractal resonator reminds me of some filter designs in Tassman 4 as implemented by Christophe Duguesene. Cool stuff.
mateo - Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:19 pm
Urs wrote:
Q: What is Berlin Modular?
A: A modular synthesizer system, no screenshots yet...
Q: What is Bazille then?
A: One modular synth within the Berlin Modular System
Q: So there will be more?
A: Yes, I sure hope so.
Will end users be able to create their own synths? Not that Bazille doesn't seem cool as is, but I'd be even more interested in a completely modular system.
Teksonik - Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:50 pm
justin3am wrote:
I don't separate hardware from software. They are all just synths as far as I'm concerned.
Perhaps the wisest words ever written at KVR...........................
justin3am - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:53 pm
I've been trying to coax the ugliest sounds I can out of this thing. I think this comes close.
http://www.3amnoise.net/bipolarwaveshaping.mp3
Oscillators one and two are rectified, osc 2 is then inverted and it's phase is offset by 90 degrees and they are summed together. Finally osc one is FMing osc two and vice versa. Some filters too.
justin3am - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:10 pm
hakey wrote:
Thanks justin.
So selecting Offset or Spread links the Cut Off of the two filters - and then Spread/Offset determines the relative position of Cut Off for the filters? What's the difference between Spread and Offset?
I could be wrong but it seems like when set to offset mode, the offset parameter adjusts the frequency of filter 2 relative to the frequency of filter 1 while the cutoff parameter on filter 1 controls the frequency of both filters. This is useful for 2 LPFs in series to create an LPF with 2 peaks, or two filters in parallel to create a specific filter offset.
It seems like in spread mode the cutoff parameter on filter 1 controls the center frequency of the two filters the spread parameter adjusts the space between the two cutoff frequencies. This way when you adjust the spread parameter it moves both filter 1 and 2's cutoff away from the center frequency. This is useful for creating morphing bandpass and notch filters when using the filters in serial.
Hope that makes sense.
duncanparsons - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:49 pm
Bazille? as in Manuel's pronunciation of his pet rat's name in Fawlty Towers?
koalaboy - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:54 pm
duncanparsons wrote:
Bazille? as in Manuel's pronunciation of his pet rat's name in Fawlty Towers?
suthnear - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:06 am
justin3am wrote:
I've been trying to coax the ugliest sounds I can out of this thing. I think this comes close.
Ugly? Au contraire, it sounds amazing.
Kyran - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:24 am
I only tried it on a not audio optimised linux/wine system, but three notes took about 75% of my phenom II quad core
It'll be better when I reboot into something with realtime optimisations (I hope)
It's a crazy synth for fx though. The fact that you can patch anything into anything and create crazy feedback looks makes this tremendous fun. It's what I like about the ms-20 too.
fas1piano - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:27 am
Urs wrote:
- Berlin Modular is for those who can not afford a full blown analogue modular synth but want some remotely similar fun. Or they just want to be able to save patches and play polyphonic.
and possibly live...
pdxindy - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:41 am
justin3am wrote:
some wonderful sounds there!
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:43 am
mateo wrote:
Will end users be able to create their own synths? Not that Bazille doesn't seem cool as is, but I'd be even more interested in a completely modular system.
Nope. Each system is a single, massive, highly optimized algorithm. Only this way can I achieve that quality at a maximum of 1 sample latency between two ends of a cable. A user configurable system would mean that I'd have to be a multitalented genius who can also write a compiler (think NI's Dr. Sync), or I'd have to make this up out of many, many jumps between various algorithms. Which I think would slow it down too much. However, we're not there, I can't say for 100% sure.
That said, thanks to SSE/AltiVec all 4 oscillators can be calculated at once (these use true sin() functions, not just wavetables like the "originals"). Same accounts for both filters (I could actually do 4 in the same time /mescatches head), the 4 multiples and the 4 lag generators. So it only makes sense to swap a whole section at once. And this is the basic difference that I think we'll have between the systems.
audiobot202 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:54 am
But you are a multi-talented genius are you not?
Steve
Urs wrote:
mateo wrote:
Will end users be able to create their own synths? Not that Bazille doesn't seem cool as is, but I'd be even more interested in a completely modular system.
Nope. Each system is a single, massive, highly optimized algorithm. Only this way can I achieve that quality at a maximum of 1 sample latency between two ends of a cable. A user configurable system would mean that I'd have to be a multitalented genius who can also write a compiler (think NI's Dr. Sync), or I'd have to make this up out of many, many jumps between various algorithms. Which I think would slow it down too much. However, we're not there, I can't say for 100% sure.
That said, thanks to SSE/AltiVec all 4 oscillators can be calculated at once (these use true sin() functions, not just wavetables like the "originals"). Same accounts for both filters (I could actually do 4 in the same time /mescatches head), the 4 multiples and the 4 lag generators. So it only makes sense to swap a whole section at once. And this is the basic difference that I think we'll have between the systems.
koalaboy - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:55 am
You mean, you're not a multitalented genius ?
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:14 am
Thanks

- wasn't fishing for compliments though...
All I say is, there are some dudes out there with some incredible dev mojo. Magnus Lidstrom would be another one of those who can actually write such applications. I've looked into it, but it only leaves me scratching my head.
justin3am - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:30 am
Some more odd sounds.
http://www.3amnoise.net/wormhole.mp3
mateo - Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:40 am
Urs wrote:
That said, thanks to SSE/AltiVec all 4 oscillators can be calculated at once (these use true sin() functions, not just wavetables like the "originals"). Same accounts for both filters (I could actually do 4 in the same time /mescatches head), the 4 multiples and the 4 lag generators. So it only makes sense to swap a whole section at once. And this is the basic difference that I think we'll have between the systems.
Then how about the ability to add and remove whole sections? i.e. add another 4 osc section, if you need more?
spritex - Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:52 am
I wonder how over-the-top it could go though, because one instance of Bazille has to be processed by one CPU core, right? For monophonic patches, maybe.
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:53 am
mateo wrote:
Urs wrote:
That said, thanks to SSE/AltiVec all 4 oscillators can be calculated at once (these use true sin() functions, not just wavetables like the "originals"). Same accounts for both filters (I could actually do 4 in the same time /mescatches head), the 4 multiples and the 4 lag generators. So it only makes sense to swap a whole section at once. And this is the basic difference that I think we'll have between the systems.
Then how about the ability to add and remove whole sections? i.e. add another 4 osc section, if you need more?

Sheesh... then you also need to buy a new monitor and a new video card that can handle blitting all the cables...
Seriously though. At the moment the concept is like it is. I've been wanting to do this for years, and in all those years I havn't found a way to make it much more flexible.
It is not a replacement for Zebra in that way, it's really more of a fun device that somewhat follows the spirit of a Cwejman SE1 or a Roland System 100 (hence the colour I guess).
spritex - Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:57 am
Don't stress Urs, we at Urs-landia tend to get carried away.
You can only blame yourself for that
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:02 am
spritex wrote:
I wonder how over-the-top it could go though, because one instance of Bazille has to be processed by one CPU core, right? For monophonic patches, maybe.
It's a lot... the Win version in the beta team takes up 40% more cpu than the Mac version on teh same cpu because the compiler did not inline a single function. Now imagine a magnitude of not inlined functions...
As I said, it would have to be hand coded in assembly, and it probably would have to use self-modifying code. Which I havn't done yet. Maybe for version 3 then...
#---
On a side note, there is some potential for improvements left, e.g. currently all 20 inputs of the Multiples are evaluated many times for each sample. If I cut that down to blocks of, say, five inputs per iteration, depending on how many inputs are actually used, I guess we can alraedy save 10% for average patches. Complex patches would however use even more.
Trade-offs... trade-offs...
koalaboy - Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:05 am
Urs wrote:
Seriously though. At the moment the concept is like it is. I've been wanting to do this for years, and in all those years I havn't found a way to make it much more flexible.
Please keep it that way. It will be even better for us if it's what you want it to be.
blurk - Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:09 am
It took me a bit of a while to figure some things out, partly because I'm not overly familiar with truly modular synths. But I spent pretty much the day playing with it (it's a good way to ensure new entrants for the next patch competition because all us lucky winners of competition #1 are gonna be a tad distracted

). As per the email suggestion, I tried modulating the sequencer snapshot with the sequencer, some results are at
http://blurk.net/Projects/Bazille-Rhythmic3c.mp3.
djsubject - Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:17 am
justin3am wrote:
I've been trying to coax the ugliest sounds I can out of this thing. I think this comes close.
http://www.3amnoise.net/bipolarwaveshaping.mp3
Oscillators one and two are rectified, osc 2 is then inverted and it's phase is offset by 90 degrees and they are summed together. Finally osc one is FMing osc two and vice versa. Some filters too.
that is just absolutely sick!!!
i love it
listening to that its also the best synth i have ever heard!
Subz
djanthonyw - Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:22 am
djsubject wrote:
listening to that its also the best synth i have ever heard!
Shhh... FXpansion might be listening.
djsubject - Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:28 am
i just wish i was able to program such sounds
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:41 am
djanthonyw wrote:
djsubject wrote:
listening to that its also the best synth i have ever heard!
Shhh... FXpansion might be listening.

Can't compare the two though... D-CAM models analogue oscillators while Bazille models digital ones (FM/PM/PD). You'll have a hard time making Cypher's oscillators alias, while aliasing is easily achieved in Bazille. The headroom before this happens is much, much bigger though than in certain 80ies hardware.
slowriot - Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:02 am
justin3am wrote:
There is something about this synth that is very conducive to making sounds that cause me to go "WOW!!!!".

This is what interests me in synths, too. Hardware or software.
First signs for the Berlin Modular are extremely promising.
pdxindy - Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:15 am
mateo wrote:
Urs wrote:
That said, thanks to SSE/AltiVec all 4 oscillators can be calculated at once (these use true sin() functions, not just wavetables like the "originals"). Same accounts for both filters (I could actually do 4 in the same time /mescatches head), the 4 multiples and the 4 lag generators. So it only makes sense to swap a whole section at once. And this is the basic difference that I think we'll have between the systems.
Then how about the ability to add and remove whole sections? i.e. add another 4 osc section, if you need more?

omg... the feature-lust is out of hand!
spritex - Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:26 am
Bah, I was going to post a short demo song tonight but after a couple of beers I don't feel too sharp. Maybe in the weekend (currently has 5 instances of Bazille, nothing very wierd though).
kmonkey - Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:44 am
I am not trying to hijack thread but here is another AMAZING modular system:
http://www.adern.com/home/modules.php?name=flexor&file=preview&id=3
Just look at that module list
http://adern.com/home/modules.php?name=flexor&file=preview&id=9
I have version 3 here for scope card and i barely scratched the surface using this thing..
AFAIK it will be available as native(under different name i think) and first public beta will be released in 08(or 09).2009...
So hurry up Urs
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:50 am
kmonkey wrote:
I am not trying to hijack thread but here is another AMAZING modular system:
Reaktor is amazing, too. I still think there's a distinct difference between those kind of systems and the kind of system that I'd count Berlin Modular/Bazille in.
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:05 am
kmonkey wrote:
i barely scratched the surface using this thing..
That's btw. exactly what I mean. In Bazille, all the surface is just there. You scratch it with every cable you plug in and every knob you turn. It's instantaneous, just like moving a module in Zebra. This is where my philosphy diverges from "feature wars that you can't win".
ZenPunkHippy - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:16 am
Well, it sounds pretty stunning from here
All we need now is a rough page estimate of when it will be released! I'm betting on around 150
Pecae,
Andy.
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:31 am
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
Well, it sounds pretty stunning from here
All we need now is a rough page estimate of when it will be released! I'm betting on around 150
Pecae,
Andy.
You can have it for that tag and even a bit cheaper if you help to organize the Melbourne u-he user group meeting somewhen around December 15th. Wife and I will probably be in the Dandenongs by then, so some place close to the southern suburbs (north of Dingley though) or somewhere around Ferntree Gully would be appreciated. The list of participants is pending, but I guess ttoz and soundpalace are in.
koalaboy - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:33 am
kmonkey wrote:
AFAIK it will be available as native(under different name i think) and first public beta will be released in 08(or 09).2009...
So hurry up Urs

No need to hurry just yet - the release is a while off I imagine. (I obviously can't speak from any experience with a beta or anything like that

)
Which reminds me - there's something I should do tonight
150 pages you say ? That could be arranged
ZenPunkHippy - Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:55 am
Urs wrote:
You can have it for that tag and even a bit cheaper if you help to organize the Melbourne u-he user group meeting somewhen around December 15th. Wife and I will probably be in the Dandenongs by then, so some place close to the southern suburbs (north of Dingley though) or somewhere around Ferntree Gully would be appreciated. The list of participants is pending, but I guess ttoz and soundpalace are in.

"150" was a prediction of the number of pages before release, not $$$
I live right at the foot of the Dandenongs, not very far from Ferntree Gully. Send me a PM when you have more details ... I'd be happy to help out with a Zebra UG meeting!
Peace,
Andy.
spritex - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:04 pm
spritex wrote:
Bah, I was going to post a short demo song tonight but after a couple of beers I don't feel too sharp.
OK, I sobered up and quickly "finished" it. Here it is:
http://koti.welho.com/krtek_fi/Krtek_Web/Misc.html
(the bass may be too much in-your-face, maybe because this was the 1st time I have ever tried sidechain compressing

)
That's in realtime BTW, should play nice with a Core2Duo iMac at 64 samples buffer, 24 bit, 44.1 kHz.
Keeping AMPENV releases in control helps quite a bit in keeping the CPU usage sane.
rectus_dominus - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:17 pm
It sound nasty like those Doepfer and Cwejman things on youtube, geez
justin3am - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:30 pm
I did a bunch of comparisons last night to my Doepfer and Livewire stuff (I don't have any Cwejman, too rich for my blood) and indeed Bazille gets just as nasty. The bipolar wave shaping demo I made was my attempt at duplicating some functionality of my AFG oscillator, which Bazille's oscillators handled very well.
The way the filter behaves when overdriven sounds remarkably close to my Frequensteiner filter as well.
Kriminal - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:36 pm
has Scot Solida not seen this...i think he may cream his pants at this beastie
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:55 pm
ZenPunkHippy wrote:

"150" was a prediction of the number of pages before release, not $$$

Hehe, sorry, I saw that just the other minute... I'm a bit drowsy today I guess
Quote:
I live right at the foot of the Dandenongs, not very far from Ferntree Gully. Send me a PM when you have more details ... I'd be happy to help out with a Zebra UG meeting!
Sounds great!
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:58 pm
justin3am wrote:
The way the filter behaves when overdriven sounds remarkably close to my Frequensteiner filter as well.
That wasn't intended, but I'll check with mine tomorrow
Kriminal - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:59 pm
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
Well, it sounds pretty stunning from here
All we need now is a rough page estimate of when it will be released! I'm betting on around 150
Pecae,
Andy.
well, Urs said next NAMM, thats a looooooooooong time...im going for 3000...three thousand on BM (in general, not just this thread)
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:10 pm
Kriminal wrote:
well, Urs said next NAMM, thats a looooooooooong time...im going for 3000...three thousand on BM (in general, not just this thread)

I said Musikmesse... that's even 2 months later...
koalaboy - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:21 pm
Urs wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
well, Urs said next NAMM, thats a looooooooooong time...im going for 3000...three thousand on BM (in general, not just this thread)

I said Musikmesse... that's even 2 months later...

Kriminal - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:25 pm
Urs wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
well, Urs said next NAMM, thats a looooooooooong time...im going for 3000...three thousand on BM (in general, not just this thread)

I said Musikmesse... that's even 2 months later...

ah, yes, my mistake...make that 4000
very angry mobster - Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:50 pm
Urs wrote:
[...] the Melbourne u-he user group meeting somewhen around December 15th. [...]
Well that was unexpected. Count me in as well.
I've been enjoying playing with Bazille, it sounds fantastic! I'm not sure if this makes me want a real modular system more or less... (I like the fixed layout as well.)
The LFO's have some high frequency content at around 11khz. Looking at the spectrum it looks like something is going wrong somewhere? (I'm running the windows version)
billstei - Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:16 pm
Bazille HAQ #375 - For my next auxiliary program, do I have to think of a fruit or vegetable name that sounds like Bazille, or can it sound like a corny Japanese monster that sleeps most of the time underwater, is real crabby when it wakes up, doesn't particularly like saving the world but does what it has to, and has blue electric fire breath?
blurk - Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:27 pm
blurk wrote:
BTW, I meant to add that that is played just by holding down one note and there's no external processing. Just a single Bazille patch.
I also spent yesterday trying to recreate the patches in Urs's teaser images. Which led me to the idea that maybe to enforce that joyous unpredictability of old modular system the Berlin Modular shouldn't use patch files that can be shared. If someone wants to share their patch, they have to send a screenshot, and then other people have to patch their own copy.
Echoes in the Attic - Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:04 pm
Bazille?
I think you got the letters in the wrong order.
I think it's supposed to be called "Ballzie"!
thelizard - Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:29 pm
I can't wait to go on a Bazille expedition.
Urs - Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:54 pm
very angry mobster wrote:
Urs wrote:
[...] the Melbourne u-he user group meeting somewhen around December 15th. [...]
Well that was unexpected. Count me in as well.

Cool!
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I've been enjoying playing with Bazille, it sounds fantastic! I'm not sure if this makes me want a real modular system more or less... (I like the fixed layout as well.)
The LFO's have some high frequency content at around 11khz. Looking at the spectrum it looks like something is going wrong somewhere? (I'm running the windows version)
Yeah... been trying to trace that and it got a bit better but there's obviously still some weird stuff going on. They should easily do an artifact free sine up to 5 kHz but they just don't
Well, it's alpha software, innit?
Shabdahbriah - Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:11 am
justin3am wrote:
... The bipolar wave shaping demo I made...
Sooo... is being "bipolar" the qualifier for beta testing this lovely thing???
Sounds/looks AWESOME Urs!!!
[
oh shit] Nevermind... I'm dyslexic, not "BP"
spritex - Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:17 am
Shabdahbriah wrote:
[
oh shit] Nevermind... I'm dyslexic, not "BP" 
Be thankful for that. Bipolar is no joke (not myself, but for some reason I know several).
Shabdahbriah - Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:24 am
spritex wrote:
Be thankful for that. Bipolar is no joke (not myself, but for some reason I know several).
Oooooooh, I AM!!! I know WAY more than "several", and it's (too frequently) heart breaking to observe, even.
~S~
shogger - Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:29 am
Some Bazille toying:
Multi Wongo 4
Modularing 6
Enjoy.
Shogger
koalaboy - Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:31 am
Buzz Lightyear wrote:
You're mocking me, aren't you
suthnear - Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:46 am
Urs wrote:
Yeah... been trying to trace that and it got a bit better but there's obviously still some weird stuff going on. They should easily do an artifact free sine up to 5 kHz but they just don't
Well, it's alpha software, innit?
Since the basic point of departure for bazille is digital can I make a case for the inclusion of digital artifacts? (or should that be the non-exclusion?) I'm not saying that you shouldn't perfect your model, but perhaps leave in less perfect models, too...
[edit] ah, I see you mentioned aliasing earlier. excellent. also, think numerical foldback rather than saturation
Urs - Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:57 am
suthnear wrote:
[edit] ah, I see you mentioned aliasing earlier. excellent. also, think numerical foldback rather than saturation

Foldback distortion is part of the game...
As for aliasing, I think I can hear quite some in Shogger's excellent "Modularing 6"
spritex - Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:02 am
shogger wrote:
Some Bazille toying:
Nice!
Polybius - Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:53 am
Wow, impressive stuff all 'round. Exciting times ahead for the U-He comunity, and VA zealots alike! Good luck with this one Urs, if you pull it off right (and i'm sure you will), this one could be right up there with the analog "big boys" (Timewarp 2600, Minimonsta, Imposcar etc...).
*ahum* If you ever need someone to write factory patches... *points at self*
Hey you can't blame me for trying can ya
red37 - Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:24 am
Wow - Bazille sounds......awfully aggressive!
hellleutel - Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:34 am
Hi just som thoughts or questions (as I'm lucky to have a Bazille copy trom the contest)
is there going to be an "audio input"?
as an ex-Nord modular and current A100 user I was a bit confused that there are no simple vcas (the amount of source 1 controlled by source b) ... or did I simply not find them?
it sounds great!
best
uli
Urs - Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:50 am
hellleutel wrote:
Hi just som thoughts or questions (as I'm lucky to have a Bazille copy trom the contest)
is there going to be an "audio input"?
I'm contemplating an fx version. This (or a stand-alone version) could have, say, 8 audio inputs & outputs, which could be used to fully integrate it e.g. with a modified Matrix 12 with single outs (polyphonic) or with a Doepfer Modular (various CV-signals). I'm not quite sure if this is going to be viable at all (latency of audio interface...), and I also do not want to give away all ideas just yet.
Quote:
as an ex-Nord modular and current A100 user I was a bit confused that there are no simple vcas (the amount of source 1 controlled by source b) ... or did I simply not find them?
Have you seen the video about the multiples?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDvYOp6cGtk
You basically have 4 pretty flexible VCAs out there... (they might need a +6/12/18/24dB switch though, not quite sure...)
Quote:
it sounds great!
Thanks
Urs - Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:54 am
Btw. it just occurred to me that one can even use the Sequencer to split 1 signal into 4 different, non-linear ones (a bit "edgy" for a waveshaper, but still). Just create some snapshots with all 4 faders of each "subsequencer" on the same level. Then modulate the snapshot dial with the source you want to be shaped. Gosh... freaky...
mellotronaut - Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:05 am
spritex wrote:
shogger wrote:
Some Bazille toying:
Nice!
indeed! How to get this bacterium? Is there a beta-test?
m
Urs - Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:16 am
ARRRGH. Why? Why with the power of the Death Star does everyone need to play with super alpha software before it matures?!?
Here are some cleverly obscured links:
Mac:
http://www.u-he.com/Bazille01Mac.component.zip (AU only, DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY ON POWERPC)
Win:
http://www.u-he.com/Bazille01Win.zip (put Bazille.dll and Bazille.data in Vstplugins)
- do not post lengthy bug reports, the beta team does a great job
- I do not want to hear about crashes, seriously
- no, it doesn't have a file browser and it might crash when using a host environment
- yes, patches may sound different in the final version
- no, you shouldn't sell yor CZ-101 just yet
- I will not answer questions related to usage aka How Does One Do This Or That...
- and yes, it'll expire at some point...
jupiter8 - Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:41 am
OHHHH new toys.
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WOOT ? No presets ? Lame.
ZombyWoof - Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:47 am
Urs, I know you gave us these links against your better judgment. Thanks very much for the alpha preview.
mellotronaut - Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:30 am
Urs wrote:
ARRRGH. Why? Why with the power of the Death Star does everyone need to play with super alpha software before it matures?!?
Here are some cleverly obscured links:
Mac:
http://www.u-he.com/Bazille01Mac.component.zip (AU only, DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY ON POWERPC)
Win:
http://www.u-he.com/Bazille01Win.zip (put Bazille.dll and Bazille.data in Vstplugins)
- do not post lengthy bug reports, the beta team does a great job
- I do not want to hear about crashes, seriously
- no, it doesn't have a file browser and it might crash when using a host environment
- yes, patches may sound different in the final version
- no, you shouldn't sell yor CZ-101 just yet
- I will not answer questions related to usage aka How Does One Do This Or That...
- and yes, it'll expire at some point...


i was on holidays ... thank you very much, Urs!
chri mel
hellleutel - Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:26 am
Urs wrote:
Have you seen the video about the multiples?
You basically have 4 pretty flexible VCAs out there...
ok I see, thanks. pretty brain-demanding!
John Vulich - Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:34 am
Thanks for being so kind in sharing the alpha publicly.
I didn't quite get what set this apart from other semi-modulars 'till I FM modulated one oscillator with a ring modulated sound from another oscillator that I LFO modulated using the multiple/matrix.
THIS THING IS FREAKIN' BRILLIANT!!!
That being said, I do think that it would benefit greatly to have a couple more LFOs.
I look forward to seeing how it develops. Seems pretty polished for an alpha. Great work!
Ingonator - Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:37 am
Urs wrote:
ARRRGH. Why? Why with the power of the Death Star does everyone need to play with super alpha software before it matures?!?
Here are some cleverly obscured links:
Mac:
http://www.u-he.com/Bazille01Mac.component.zip (AU only, DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY ON POWERPC)
Win:
http://www.u-he.com/Bazille01Win.zip (put Bazille.dll and Bazille.data in Vstplugins)
- do not post lengthy bug reports, the beta team does a great job
- I do not want to hear about crashes, seriously
- no, it doesn't have a file browser and it might crash when using a host environment
- yes, patches may sound different in the final version
- no, you shouldn't sell yor CZ-101 just yet
- I will not answer questions related to usage aka How Does One Do This Or That...
- and yes, it'll expire at some point...

Really cool for "just" being Alpha. Thanks for this, Urs.
Urs - Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:05 am
John Vulich wrote:
THIS THING IS FREAKIN' BRILLIANT!!!
innit?
Quote:
That being said, I do think that it would benefit greatly to have a couple more LFOs.
Use left over oscillators in "Clocked" mode, and try using the step sequencer with Lag Generators. Initially I wanted to add no LFO at all, except for a little vibrato/triangle. But d'oh... found some suitable ones in the drawer.
Urs - Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:11 am
Here are some patches to get y'all started:
http://www.u-he.com/BazilleStart.zip
Got a nice pad in there, a nicely worn out DX-piano, a PWM example (using 2 oscillators, one inverted and both phase modulated in opposite directions), an example for cheap formant stuff, The Startled Filter and some bazilliar basses - one of which showing how to fake some extra juicy resonance sweeping the Res waveforms.
dln - Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:26 am
This thing sounds incredible. Absolutely massively evil... startled even.
Superballoon - Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:35 am
Wow!
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