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jack [psychicmodulation] - Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:24 pm

Official support thread for Metatron.
Please report any bugs here.
Comments and suggestions are welcome too.

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Updates:
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11-04-09 (v1.0.1)
-main volume only went to 10, now fixed
-initial preset sucked, now fixed
-fixed delay not responding fully to main volume

11-10-09
-now includes user manual

11-17-09 (v1.0.2)
-fixed crash when sending midi messages to modwheel
-updated certain components to fix rare crash in some hosts

grymmjack - Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:14 am

hi Jack

really great little synth. had a bunch of fun with it last night. i was wondering is there a block diagram anywhere for this - particularly the unison part.

jack [psychicmodulation] - Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:53 am

grymmjack wrote:

hi Jack

really great little synth. had a bunch of fun with it last night. i was wondering is there a block diagram anywhere for this - particularly the unison part.

I dont have any diagrams, but I am in the process of writing a manual, but before that I could give a brief explaination of some features here:

Both oscillators are doubled up as two of the same wave, the phase knob offsets the double, creating a phasing effect. The unison section is fairly simple, the 'voices' knob chooses from 1-16 voices in unison, 'd-tune' is self explainitory, 'stretch' will expand the width of the detuned voices, and 'drift' causes a pitch-drifting effect similar to analog synths.

A bit about the arpeggiator and sequencer:

Both of these sections are meant to work together to create interesting rythmic patterns using arpeggiation, gates, and sequenced modulation. The sequencer allows you to choose which paramater will be modulated (levels, pitch, filter, pan, etc). When playing your keyboard these two sections should run in sync, however you may notice the sequencer is not quite on beat sometimes. If this happens, simply press play in your host sequencer and Metatron's sequencer will snap back on beat in perfect sync with the arp. You'll notice the 'host' switch on the sequencer. As long as this is on, you will have perfect host sync. The 'retrig' switch is meant to reset the sequencer via midi note, but it's a feature that needs some work, as it's not implemented in any of the presets. I hope to improve this feature in the next update.

grymmjack - Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:00 am

hey there Jack.

thanks for the rundown. look forward to the manual Smile

antoine.bertier - Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:00 pm

Hi Jack and Metatron users,

Metatron crashed XT2 when I moved the modwheel.

Did anybody else have this issue ?

jack [psychicmodulation] - Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:11 pm

antoine.bertier wrote:

Hi Jack and Metatron users,

Metatron crashed XT2 when I moved the modwheel.

Did anybody else have this issue ?

I tested this on both my machines and could not re-create this issue. And I'm running XT2 as well. I am curious though if anyone else is experiencing this problem.

VSTJuNkiE - Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:16 pm

Thanx for this Jack, I've always liked the Psychic Modulation stuff! Is there anyway to make it LOUDER? Even with the volume up all the way it's kinda quiet.

Btw, did you ever get a chance to re-do your old Flanger? I love it! Still hoovers CPU and crashes here......

jack [psychicmodulation] - Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:59 pm

VSTJuNkiE wrote:

Been too busy lately, but thanks for reminding me! Maybe if I get a quiet day off soon I can tackle some old projects.

I can make Metatron louder, but I wonder weather this kind of update is allowed in the DC at this point...If anything it will be in the next post-voting update. In the meantime, dont forget about the two osc level controls. And if you still need more volume you can always turn up the pre-gain on the filter.

MRT - Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:17 am

Nice entry, I've had a lot of fun playing with it.
+1 for an increase in volume
I have a mod wheel crash here also but I've only used it in XT 1.41? Axiom controller.

VSTJuNkiE - Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:39 am

Jack R wrote:

Been too busy lately, but thanks for reminding me! Maybe if I get a quiet day off soon I can tackle some old projects.

Sounds good Smile

Jack R wrote:

I can make Metatron louder, but I wonder weather this kind of update is allowed in the DC at this point...If anything it will be in the next post-voting update. In the meantime, dont forget about the two osc level controls. And if you still need more volume you can always turn up the pre-gain on the filter.

Have no idea if that's against the rulez or not. You could always PM Ben an see what he says though Wink

Keep up the great work Smile

jack [psychicmodulation] - Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:59 am

MRT wrote:

Nice entry, I've had a lot of fun playing with it.
+1 for an increase in volume
I have a mod wheel crash here also but I've only used it in XT 1.41? Axiom controller.

well two seperate modwheel crashes means that there is a definite issue. I will look into it again ASAP.

jack [psychicmodulation] - Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:46 am

Metatron has been updated making it much louder than before. The previous version was not only much too quiet, but also initially sounded thin and weak. So the initial preset has been slightly modified to show that Metatron can produce a much fuller sound.

VSTJuNkiE - Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:56 pm

Much much better now Jack!! Def sounds a lot more full. If you think you can squeeze even more mojo out of this please do.

jack [psychicmodulation] - Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:36 pm

Oh, something I forgot to mention about the update. I also fixed a minor issue with the delay still being audible with the volume turned all the way low. Not a very noticable issue, but fixed nonetheless.

jack [psychicmodulation] - Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:41 pm

Has anyone else experienced any bugs? If so, please let me know and I'll do my best to fix them. I plan to develop Metatron further after the DC, especially in the areas of sound, so I am completely open to suggestions as well.

djgroovy - Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:13 am

Nice synth, i like it. No bugs so far.

jack [psychicmodulation] - Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:16 pm

Metatron now includes a user manual.

Download:
http://www.kvraudio.com/developer_challenge_2009.php#dc09_20

Nahkranoth - Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:24 am

Crashes here too when I use modwheel. And when selecting presets "ARP12" and "ARP15" it crashes in the ck_gui_envelope module. Maybe there are other crashy presets.

jack [psychicmodulation] - Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:10 am

Nahkranoth wrote:

Crashes here too when I use modwheel. And when selecting presets "ARP12" and "ARP15" it crashes in the ck_gui_envelope module. Maybe there are other crashy presets.

what host are you using?

Nahkranoth - Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:50 am

It crashes every host I've tried. If you're using CK_GUI_envelopeXX modules then the only working combination will be to update them to the v2 version and use the latest SE (which is buggy as people say, but at least it worked for me with latest odo's creation). It has something to do with non-English locale settings which I happen to have on my Windows.
Tested on different machines, Win x32/x64, different hosts (renoise, vsthost, minihost) btw.
If it's not a big problem to recompile it using the newest versions I would be eternally grateful, this is a very useful synth with wonderful arp section Embarassed

jack [psychicmodulation] - Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:40 pm

Nahkranoth wrote:

I will look into this right away...
Thanks for your time!

Nahkranoth - Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:42 am

And thank you, Jack R Very Happy

jack [psychicmodulation] - Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:56 am

Metatron has now been updated to v1.0.2:
-fixed crash when sending midi messages to modwheel
-updated certain components to fix rare crash in some hosts

Get it here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/developer_challenge_2009.php#dc09_20

Nahkranoth - Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:04 am

Thanks, Jack R!
Modwheel works fine, but the synth still chokes on certain presets (arp12, arp14, arp15...) Crying or Very sad

antoine.bertier - Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:07 pm

Nahkranoth wrote:

Thanks, Jack R!
Modwheel works fine, but the synth still chokes on certain presets (arp12, arp14, arp15...) Crying or Very sad

I have no particular problem with these presets...

Now that it no longer crashes on modwheel, Metatron is in my top 5 Smile

jack [psychicmodulation] - Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:20 pm

Nahkranoth wrote:

Thanks, Jack R!
Modwheel works fine, but the synth still chokes on certain presets (arp12, arp14, arp15...) Crying or Very sad

Well I would recompile with the newest version of SE, but it's just way too unstable at this point and might just create more problems. Once there's a stable version available I'll see what I can do, but for now I'm gonna have to stick to good old v1.0. Does it crash when adjusting the envelopes? or is it only preset specific?

jack [psychicmodulation] - Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:21 pm

antoine.bertier wrote:

Now that it no longer crashes on modwheel, Metatron is in my top 5 Smile

Nahkranoth - Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:39 am

Jack R wrote:

Does it crash when adjusting the envelopes? or is it only preset specific?

No crashes while adjusting envelopes so far. Still can't figure out what's wrong with some presets tho Sad

seismic1 - Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:55 pm

Jack R wrote:

Are there any known issues saving patches/banks for Metatron v1.0.2 under EnergyXt2.5.2? If I load Metatron, Rename PAD64, make changes to the preset, and the save the patch (fxp) or entire bank (fxb), the save succeeds, but the contents appear to be the same as PAD64.

ForestCat - Fri May 07, 2010 7:15 am

I know this is a pretty old thread, I remember you mentioning that you had lost some of your SE stuff in a disk crash, don't know if Metatron was affected. In any case...

This a very, very cool & inspiring little instrument. I'm finding that it fits really well with some polyrhythmic stuff I'd like to do live.

Two issues:

1. The sync drift issues you'd mentioned. In addition, regardless of settings, I can't find a way to have it "start" in the same place (retrigger) on successive key presses. I'm guessing this is by design, and is exactly what you want in some cases. For what I'm doing, it has to start in the same place & run a predictable, if evolving, course. Is that doable, if not, is it a feature you could easily code in?

2. CPU use is higher than similar SE VSTi's, in Kore 2, as well as Bidule. Not horrendous, but significant.

I know you're devoting a lot of time to Cerebrum. I also read in some thread that you've pulled back on coding to return to writing/playing. I stopped by your music page and had a few listens. Really, really, nice stuff. Sounds like someone back at the oasis after an extended trip through the desert, if that makes any sense. Anyway keep doing what you love most, life is bloody short, as Tim C. would tell us if he could. And thanks so much for all the fantastic plugins.

panlogik - Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:28 am

I would like to ask is there any chance to code a bit longer RELEASE stage in amp section because Metatron makes SO KICK ASS EVOLVING PADS... and they vanish to fast when im releasing my keys Sad

a new section where you could control voice polyphony would be also useful Razz

BTW: GREAT MASSIVE POWER SYNTH! It suits GoaTrance very well! Very Happy

panlogik - Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:25 pm

i think i found a new bug:

first you must set the RELEASE stage in AMP section to zero eg. drag the RELEASE point way down. second - when ARP mode is ON and you press two keys you dont hear the release section of amp stage. When you press 3 keys the release is then clearly audible.

and the second thing:

the loudness of each arp note comming from arpeggio is random eg. like modulated velocity :F its strange because when i turn on only one oscilator without unison and every other stages it should sound constant - turning ARP mode ON and pressing for example two keys gives me random but rythmicaql (in some ways) volume of each arped note. I think it should be constant OR an option for user to choose between random velocity ARP or constant.

jack [psychicmodulation] - Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:12 pm

ForestCat wrote:

Sorry I missed this post, I will look into the issues you mention. By 'sync-drift', I'm assuming you're referring to the oscillators and not the sequencer. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'll take a look under the hood and see if there are any tweaks that can free up some resources in terms of cpu.

Oh, and thanks for taking the time to give my music a listen Smile

jack [psychicmodulation] - Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:20 pm

panlogik wrote:

I tried the first scenario, but could not get the result you mention. If you could send me an FXP, that might be helpful. And I see what you're saying about the randomness. I'll look into this out as soon as I get a chance and repost in this thread.

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