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Big Tick - Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:17 am
[Edit] with version 1.6 beta3, anyone can enable any plugin - just drag its dll into the plugins list. Therefore, there is not need for these requests any more, other than for keeping track of the plugins that don't work. The list of managed plugins (with the number of presets, updated in realtime) is available here.
Tried these, they won't work unless fixed by their authors:
Korg M1 (crashes if seChunk() is called with a preset, without first opening the editor window.)
Korg WaveStation (doesn't support getChunk()/setChunk() for presets)
ZynAddSubFX (I was able to get Zen to import and play the presets, but it keeps crashing when browsing through presets. What a pity...)
EvilDragon - Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:29 am
Is Waldorf Largo and/or Waldorf Edition on the list?
crimsonwarlock - Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:47 am
RMXL, PolyIblit, Drumatic 3.
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:21 am
EvilDragon wrote:
Is Waldorf Largo and/or Waldorf Edition on the list?
It is now.
CrimsonWarlock wrote:
RMXL, PolyIblit, Drumatic 3.
Just did PolyIblit.
bM3w - Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:41 am
IKM stuff:
SampleTank
SampleTron
SampleMoog
Sonik Synth
Miroslave Philharmonik
crimsonwarlock - Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:11 am
Big Tick wrote:
Just did PolyIblit.
Great, thanks. Btw, RMXL is 'most wanted' for me
aMUSEd - Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:02 am
Omnisphere
Alchemy
swampmonster50 - Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:28 am
novation bass station
novation v station
refx beast
refx quadrasid
aas ultra analog
leslie sanford colbalt
fab filter one
gmedia imposcar
wusikstation
quickquack glassviper
loomer aspect
ezelkow1 - Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:29 am
The rest of the image-line line of synths, I can supply a sakura fxp if need be but thats the only other one I have besides sytrus and I see a good chunk of them are already in zen
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:33 am
Nah it's allright I also have sakura. I'll add it.
pwal - Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:11 am
nusofting combo sister
nusofting strings dream synth
nusofting emm knaglis
dash signature eve2
aas tassman
aas ultraanalog
aas string studio
aas lounge lizard
gforce m-tron pro
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:20 am
pwal wrote:
dash signature eve2
Already there (although there seems to be a bug in Eve2 that limits its usefulness, see the known issues thread...
pummel - Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:27 am
How about albino, free-alpha, and alpha 3 ?
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:43 am
pummel wrote:
How about albino, free-alpha, and alpha 3 ?
Albino is already here (although acting kinda weird with layered presets).
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:47 am
Hmmm.... I have the feeling this thread is going to turn into kvr's synth list.
pwal - Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:58 am
Big Tick wrote:
pwal wrote:
dash signature eve2
Already there (although there seems to be a bug in Eve2 that limits its usefulness, see the known issues thread...
the pre-wusik eve2
aMUSEd - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:00 am
Not sure Tassman would be Zenifiable
pwal - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:03 am
Big Tick wrote:
Red plugins: please send me a fxp file
what's your email? or do you have another way?
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:05 am
bigtick@bigtickaudio.com
Kriminal - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:10 am
didnt i send you one for minimonsta?
aMUSEd - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:13 am
pwal wrote:
Big Tick wrote:
Red plugins: please send me a fxp file
what's your email? or do you have another way?
Omnisphere, Alchemy, and many others don't support fxp unfortunately.
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:16 am
Kriminal wrote:
didnt i send you one for minimonsta?
Yes. This one just slipped through.
Kriminal - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:16 am
aMUSEd wrote:
pwal wrote:
Big Tick wrote:
Red plugins: please send me a fxp file
what's your email? or do you have another way?
Omnisphere, Alchemy, and many others don't support fxp unfortunately.
nor does MiniMonsta, but i sent an fxp for that and Alchemy a while back, im sure tick said he could still use them....???
pwal - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:16 am
aMUSEd wrote:
Not sure Tassman would be Zenifiable
worth a try
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:19 am
aMUSEd wrote:
Omnisphere, Alchemy, and many others don't support fxp unfortunately.
Actually, what I need is one example of the chunk data, and this must be supported by all synths (because this is how they save their context when the host saves a project).
So in fact, even if they don't handle fxp natively, you can still save them using minihost. You can also use my own little standalone host if you want (just let me know and I'll send it to you).
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:20 am
Kriminal wrote:
or that and Alchemy a while back, im sure tick said he could still use them....???
Definitely.
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:45 am
Just added Aspect too, and uploaded (but didn't tag) factory presets.
Kriminal - Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:15 am
a few more fxp's sent over....
Full Bucket - Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:26 am
Hi 'Tick,
thanks for your great effort... much appreciated!
Cheers Björn
Big Tick - Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:00 pm
crimsonwarlock wrote:
Great, thanks. Btw, RMXL is 'most wanted' for me
Done
ezelkow1 - Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:31 pm
zebracm
crimsonwarlock - Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:08 am
Big Tick wrote:
crimsonwarlock wrote:
Great, thanks. Btw, RMXL is 'most wanted' for me
Done
Aaah wonderful, I'll try to contact the designer of the additional RMXL-banks for permission to add them. I'll drop you a message with his dev-name and needed banknames if I get a green light from him
ezelkow1 - Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:25 am
I sent an fxp off for zebracm. Would you also want an h2p, which is a zebra specific preset format? or can you only use fxp's?
Big Tick - Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:32 am
ezelkow1 wrote:
I sent an fxp off for zebracm. Would you also want an h2p, which is a zebra specific preset format? or can you only use fxp's?
fxp only since all other formats are proprietary and/or undocumented.
Big Tick - Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:09 am
New today: FreeAlpha, Sakura, Toxic Biohazard
crimsonwarlock - Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:21 am
Another tip (not so much a request): Pethu has updated CS33 today
Big Tick - Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:52 pm
For info, I just got a go-ahead from NI, we are now allowed to upload the factory content for their synths. This is excellent news ! Now I really need to activate FM8...
aMUSEd - Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:59 pm
Big Tick wrote:
For info, I just got a go-ahead from NI, we are now allowed to upload the factory content for their synths. This is excellent news ! Now I really need to activate FM8...
Wow that is awesome news - did they say why the change of heart?
Big Tick - Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:41 pm
I guess it was just a matter of explaining it clearly and calmly. I made it clear that uploading a preset in Zen is no different than putting online a song made with the synth - it still embeds the preset data.
crimsonwarlock - Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:14 am
Big Tick wrote:
Now I really need to activate FM8...
I have FM7, any chance both get in ? (they are basically different instruments).
Big Tick - Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:57 am
Can FM8 load FM7 presets ? or are they different/improved ?
aMUSEd - Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:50 am
Big Tick wrote:
Can FM8 load FM7 presets ? or are they different/improved ?
It can import them but FM8 has a different preset format (ksd, same as several other NI products now)
What do you need to be able to activate them? - I have the lot.
Big Tick - Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:08 pm
I mean, if you save a fxp with FM7 using minihost (or equivalent), can FM8 load it ?
I just need a fxp of each to activate them. In addition, it can be useful if you can give it a test run with my own little standalone host, as this can detect potential incompatibilities with Zen.
aMUSEd - Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:15 am
Where do I get your minihost?
crimsonwarlock - Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:58 am
I only have FM7, if you want an FXP from me I'll send you one.
EvilDragon - Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:46 am
aMUSEd wrote:
Where do I get your minihost?
http://www.tobybear.de/p_minihost.html
Big Tick - Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:50 am
No, not this one. I've emailed it to you.
'Tick
ZooTooK - Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:52 am
Big Tick wrote:
For info, I just got a go-ahead from NI, we are now allowed to upload the factory content for their synths. This is excellent news ! Now I really need to activate FM8...
So chances of seeing Reaktor enabled has increased have they?
aMUSEd - Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:55 am
Big Tick wrote:
No, not this one. I've emailed it to you.
'Tick
'Tick
To me? I haven't received it - did you get the NI fxp's I sent?
Big Tick - Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:58 am
aMUSEd wrote:
To me? I haven't received it - did you get the NI fxp's I sent?
Yes, and yes.
ZooTooK wrote:
So chances of seeing Reaktor enabled has increased have they?
Yes. The only thing is, when you save a fxp of a Reaktor preset in minihost, is it self-contained, e.g. when you load it back, does it actually create the entire Reaktor synth ?
EvilDragon - Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:39 am
I'm not sure about that, regarding Reaktor. Some ensembles contain samples and can be dozens of MB big. I am not sure that all this info saves to FXP.
Big Tick - Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:41 am
well, if you save a song with Reaktor as a vst, and then load the song back, it restores the Reaktor context properly, right?
aMUSEd - Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:05 am
It looks like Reaktor and probably also Kontakt should work fine with Zen from my testing - both will load the correct instrument, ensemble, snapshot and even any tweaks I have made (even if not actually stored in the NI preset - this is something people need to be careful about though when saving presets in Zen - make sure you have not made any changes to them before uploading them)
EvilDragon - Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:13 am
Big Tick wrote:
well, if you save a song with Reaktor as a vst, and then load the song back, it restores the Reaktor context properly, right?
Yeah. Seems like Reaktor only points to the ensemble on the disk instead of embedding it, if that's the case.
Big Tick - Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:17 am
EvilDragon wrote:
Yeah. Seems like Reaktor only points to the ensemble on the disk instead of embedding it, if that's the case.
Ah, that's too bad.
EvilDragon - Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:53 am
Not really. If you're downloading a preset for a 100 MB ensemble, each preset would be 100 MB if it were embedding the whole ensemble in the FXP! Not really nice.
The other thing to consider would be supporting NI's patch format directly, along with FXP/FXB. Reaktor has its snapshot (.ssf) files, Pro-53 has .p5p (patch), .p5b (bank of 8 patches), .p5f (file of 8 banks), .p5a (all 8 files with 8 banks each with 8 patches each, 512 patches total), and others use .ksd Kore sounds (Kore, Kontakt, FM8, Absynth, Massive).
Lying Low - Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:14 am
If you support reaktor this would be great news for me.
I use AudioMulch to host reaktor, and AudioMulch for some reason does not support saving to FXP (it only does FXB) And my general workflow is to have a archive of FXP presets.
Has Zen been tested in AudioMulch?
Big Tick - Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:27 am
Evil Dragon & Lying Low,
The fxp is only required to for me to initialize the plugin (to get the plugin ID). Once I have activated the plugin in Zen, fxp's are not required since all the presets exchange takes place between Zen and the plugin.
For Reaktor, I simply don't know if it would be better to have
- 1 plugin tag called "Reaktor"
- or a multitude of tags, e.g "Reaktor/Spark", "Reaktor/Prizm", ...
aMUSEd - Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:53 am
Big Tick wrote:
Evil Dragon & Lying Low,
The fxp is only required to for me to initialize the plugin (to get the plugin ID). Once I have activated the plugin in Zen, fxp's are not required since all the presets exchange takes place between Zen and the plugin.
For Reaktor, I simply don't know if it would be better to have
- 1 plugin tag called "Reaktor"
- or a multitude of tags, e.g "Reaktor/Spark", "Reaktor/Prizm", ...
The fxp is only required to for me to initialize the plugin (to get the plugin ID). Once I have activated the plugin in Zen, fxp's are not required since all the presets exchange takes place between Zen and the plugin.
For Reaktor, I simply don't know if it would be better to have
- 1 plugin tag called "Reaktor"
- or a multitude of tags, e.g "Reaktor/Spark", "Reaktor/Prizm", ...
Since there are potentially an endless number of ensembles maybe just "Reaktor" would be enough and people can add their own additional tags for specific ensembles they use. The other question is what to do with snaps? Are they treated as presets too (they are sub presets basically)? There are probably as many snapshots out there taking into account all Reaktor ensembles, as there are presets for other plugins.
Big Tick - Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:58 am
I'm not sure what a snap is (versus a preset).
BTW, did you receive my standalone host ?
aMUSEd - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:03 am
Big Tick wrote:
I'm not sure what a snap is (versus a preset).
BTW, did you receive my standalone host ?
BTW, did you receive my standalone host ?
Nope never got it.
Each ensemble has it's own list of presets. These are called snapshots in Reaktor parlance.
Big Tick - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:15 am
aMUSEd wrote:
Each ensemble has it's own list of presets. These are called snapshots in Reaktor parlance.
OK then yes, these are the ones that will be managed as presets by Zen.
I've uploaded the host here, just rename the exe to the same name than the dll (e.g, fm8.exe if the plugin is fm8.dll)
'Tick
EvilDragon - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:22 am
Snap is Reaktor's internal preset for a loaded instrument in an ensemble. Each instrument (including the whole ensemble) can have its own snap. So, for example, you have two synths and an effect loaded in an ensemble. How will Zen know which snapshot to route to which instrument in that ensemble?
Also, just "Reaktor" for tags. There are TOO MANY synths in the user library to make the other naming scheme viable.
Big Tick - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:30 am
It won't know, but it won't have to. The only thing Zen sees is Reaktor. So when you click the import button, it:
1. asks Reaktor for the data associated with its current internal state
2. asks Reaktor for the name of the current state (e.g, the preset name as defined by Reaktor)
3. creates a new Zen preset with this name and data.
I just need to make sure that step 2. is ok (some plugins out there don't implement it, so that you end up with a bunch of unnamed presets in Zen).
Big Tick - Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:49 pm
OK, I just enabled FM8 and Pro-53. Upload away !
Big Tick - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:00 am
and now Massive too !
aMUSEd - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:18 am
Don't know about the others but preset import for Massive is not working properly - when I click on 1 preset it tries to add 8 of the same. Seeing as there are 8 macro controls I can't help wondering if there is a connection?
aMUSEd - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:20 am
Clicking through the 8 imported there are differences even though they have the same name - names of macro controls for example
Big Tick - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:21 am
Is this for regular (1 click) import, or for autoimport ?
aMUSEd - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:23 am
FM8 just crashes Zen when I try and import anything!
Big Tick - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:26 am
Arghh ! Just the thing I can't test with FM8 demo !
aMUSEd - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:28 am
Pro 53 seems to work but its preset management sucks so it's hard to select presets in the first place - this is where adding some arrows for facilitating scrolling presets in a loaded plugin might be useful.
Crap it's impossible with Pro 53 too - the only way to load presets is by changing preset number in the gui which makes it too fiddly and I keep getting dupe messages - presets are jumping about from one to the other
Big Tick - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:37 am
aMUSed, you can switch presets in Pro-53 (and many others) by clicking on the Pro-53 window, and then using the left/right keys while the mouse cursor is on the window bar.
It only works for synths that have the concept of a "bank", though. Most modern ones have only 1 preset exposed to the host, and force you to switch presets through their built-in management system.
Now you understand why I'm reluctant to activate synths I can't test...
aMUSEd - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:56 am
OK that worked - got all 512 presets in the factory bank in at least although they need tagging. I've always found Pro 53's preset system useless except in Kore as it has all those presets but you can't easily see them or browse to them - Zen makes that aspect easier at least
Big Tick - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:59 am
ok so now I need to get my hands on a FM8 and Massive license... Anyone got one that they don't use ?
bM3w - Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:10 am
aMUSEd wrote:
Don't know about the others but preset import for Massive is not working properly - when I click on 1 preset it tries to add 8 of the same. Seeing as there are 8 macro controls I can't help wondering if there is a connection?
Happens here too. Once it's imported playing back a preset through Zen gives you a completely different sound. Looks like it's not saving the full patch informtion.
crimsonwarlock - Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:00 pm
New requests
- NubiLE
- Drumatic 3
- Elektrostudio pack
Big Tick - Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:09 pm
ok !
I'm still around and working on Zen, btw - despite the relative silence.
hakey - Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:46 am
Big Tick wrote:
ok !
I'm still around and working on Zen, btw - despite the relative silence.
I'm still around and working on Zen, btw - despite the relative silence.
Great! I'm still interested - despite the relative silence!
crimsonwarlock - Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:54 am
... and I'm still about to release my Logana patches through Zen.... despite the silence
Just didn't have much time to work on them lately
Doug B - Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:11 pm
Camel Audio Alchemy
Kriminal - Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:52 pm
Synapse Audio Dune
Lichtreich - Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:01 am
Loomer String
Big Tick - Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:56 pm
Kriminal wrote:
Synapse Audio Dune
Yes - this one is high on the list, I'm in touch with Richard for this.
Meanwhile I've added a few more that had been requested:
Kiesel Helga
ElektroStudio DavoSynth, eSLine, ODSay, OR2V, MoonSonoSX, MicroMoon
sunhome - Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:02 am
Vember Audio Surge and Audjoo Helix [The developer has already been notified and seems open to the idea { http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=304521 ]
Big Tick - Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:15 am
Sure. For now, I've just added Dune.
sunhome - Thu Dec 23, 2010 8:41 am
Rhino's Himalaya's Banks and Daniel's [a few seem missing ?]
Big Tick - Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:05 am
sunhome wrote:
Rhino's Himalaya's Banks and Daniel's [a few seem missing ?]
Well, commercial presets aren't in there yet. I need to add a few things to allow designers to sell presets through Zen. It hasn't been so much my priority so far, but it will come...
AzureCrystal - Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:27 am
Big Tick wrote:
Hmmm.... I have the feeling this thread is going to turn into kvr's synth list.
Hmm, gargantuan task given the sheer amount of VSTIs out there, didn't realize it until I read this thread! Best of wishes on this
You got all the main ones covered, great program, thanks !
Big Tick - Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:38 pm
Just added FreeAlpha 3 as well.
Big Tick - Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:59 am
... and a long-time requested one: Novation V-Station. I couldn't upload the factory content since I don't have the synth, but be my guest...
xybre - Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:08 am
Whoa I didn't know this existed. Thanks O_O
xybre - Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:22 am
Also: Requesting TAL Elek7ro and KaramFX Modular!
Big Tick - Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:38 am
xybre wrote:
Whoa I didn't know this existed. Thanks O_O
You do now - pass the word
tERMoBLUe - Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:00 am
great data-bank application - compliment
...
request suggest: agressor/ cs33/ lallapallooza/ motion/ osiris6/ sonata/ vanguard/ vopm/ voyager//
...cya
<2°TRo²³
Big Tick - Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:11 pm
xybre wrote:
Also: Requesting TAL Elek7ro and KaramFX Modular!
Elek7ro is already supported.
KarmaFX didn't reply to my messages.
Resonator63 - Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:18 pm
ImpOSCar,Oddity and Phosphor would do for me.
The rest that i'd like have already been done.
sunhome - Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:13 pm
Big Tick how about AAS? String Studio would be a nice addition as well as Ultra Analog?
Big Tick - Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:37 pm
Quote:
ImpOSCar,Oddity and Phosphor would do for me.
how about AAS? String Studio would be a nice addition as well as Ultra Analog?
how about AAS? String Studio would be a nice addition as well as Ultra Analog?
Phosphor: no demo available, and no reply from AudioDamage
AAS: same (there is a demo, but it can't load or save so I can't do much with it)
Imposcar, Oddity: I will try to activate them using the fxp presets available on GForce web site.
'Tick
sunhome - Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:02 pm
Big Tick wrote:
AAS: same (there is a demo, but it can't load or save so I can't do much with it)
'Tick
I just sent an email off to AAS regarding String Studio and Ultra Analog - will let you know when I hear something ...
Regards, James