KVR :: Production Techniques » How to synthesize breathing? [View Original Topic]
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Mushy Mushy - Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:28 pm
It's amazing how many types of breathing there are, so think of a distressed heavy breathing.
ie heavy/deep but not sexual. Like a horror film type...
And I'm mainly interested in the breathing in part.
It must start with white noise but how do I get a sucking start to the note?
It seems like the pitch must need to rise faster than the amplitude attack.
And then at the end of the breath theres a sharp release but the pitch needs to move again.
Now I think about it can it even be done with the standard ADSR?
Shabdahbriah - Thu Dec 02, 2010 3:44 pm
Mushy Mushy wrote:
Now I think about it can it even be done with the standard ADSR?
Nor do I... I would lean more towards the techniques employed when creating 'reversed-cymbals'.
[2c]
Mushy Mushy - Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:55 pm
My first attempt.
Need to play with the envelopes a bit, but it's getting there.
Click here to listen to Breathing 01b.mp3
Hink - Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:07 pm
hiss from an amp pluggin, a compressor and sidechaining?
Mushy Mushy - Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:10 pm
Hink wrote:
hiss from an amp pluggin, a compressor and sidechaining?
Really, it's that bad?
Guess I better keep trying.
Shabdahbriah - Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:11 pm
Mushy Mushy wrote:
My first attempt.
Need to play with the envelopes a bit, but it's getting there.
Click here to listen to Breathing 01b.mp3
Need to play with the envelopes a bit, but it's getting there.
Click here to listen to Breathing 01b.mp3
It def sounds like "blowing" anyway.
Mushy Mushy - Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:14 pm
Shabdahbriah wrote:
Mushy Mushy wrote:
My first attempt.
Need to play with the envelopes a bit, but it's getting there.
Click here to listen to Breathing 01b.mp3
Need to play with the envelopes a bit, but it's getting there.
Click here to listen to Breathing 01b.mp3
It def sounds like "blowing" anyway.
LOL Guess it's a sign I need to go to bed. Thx for your comments mate...
xoxos - Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:20 pm
plenty of different ways. i think fauna vst has a preset that will get you close.
lfm - Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:59 pm
I would look at www.karmafx.dk and see what that modular synth can do. It's very flexible in regard to what modulates what.
annode - Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:54 pm
I use white noise in front of a (Roland) flanger at the start of my track Marigold.
It's slow breathing, but you get the idea.
http://home.comcast.net/~newdabranck/music/Annode_Marigold.live_part1.mp3
Mushy Mushy - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:06 pm
lfm wrote:
I would look at www.karmafx.dk and see what that modular synth can do. It's very flexible in regard to what modulates what.
I have no doubt whatsoever Karma could do this with it's eyes closed.
The sound will eventually be drenched in reverb and hidden right at the back of the track, so I don't want to spend 2 weeks creating it - although it would be very rewarding.
Mushy Mushy - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:07 pm
annode wrote:
I use white noise in front of a (Roland) flanger at the start of my track Marigold.
It's slow breathing, but you get the idea.
http://home.comcast.net/~newdabranck/music/Annode_Marigold.live_part1.mp3
It's slow breathing, but you get the idea.
http://home.comcast.net/~newdabranck/music/Annode_Marigold.live_part1.mp3
Does sound great mate, but if I'm completely honest I can't hear breathing in it. Just a very thick gorgeous flanger.
Ah_Dziz - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:08 pm
try formant filters on the noise source.
annode - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:12 pm
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Does sound great mate, but if I'm completely honest I can't hear breathing in it. Just a very thick gorgeous flanger.
Thank you.
The breathing was meant to be lite as if falling asleep, and that i'm sure must be clear.
Sorry, that's all I got.
EDIT: I posted that to show how a flanger can sound like breath. If you were to increase the LFO speed and doctor it to your liking, you might get what your after.
Mushy Mushy - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:15 pm
Ah_Dziz wrote:
try formant filters on the noise source.
Just changed to a comb filter (same as a formant?) and it made a huge difference.
Getting very close now. Sounds like it's coming from the nose now though, but it's VERY close. I'm hugely impressed with myself LOL
I think a bit of envelope mod and I'm there...
God I love Albino
Ah_Dziz - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:19 pm
Comb filters and phasers do have a vocal quality to them but a formant filter is modeled on the human vocal tract. any filter with a lot of peaks and valleys should be appropriate. I believe there are a few free formant filter plugs available. Kontakt has formant filters.
xoxos - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:28 pm
i'l once more assert that fauna is going to be handy for this..
preset 107
Mushy Mushy - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:47 pm
xoxos wrote:
i'l once more assert that fauna is going to be handy for this..
preset 107
preset 107
Ok I can hear the "breathing" after the pluck, but TBH I have NFI how to modify the parameters as suggested
EDIT: Playing randomly and am getting VERY close
Mushy Mushy - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:53 pm
Just swapped back to my Albino version and yours smashes it into oblivion....
Gonna keep playing with this.
BTW my neighbours are going to think I'm having a gay orgy all w/e
xoxos - Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:58 pm
Mushy Mushy - Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:05 am
xoxos wrote:
i'l once more assert that fauna is going to be handy for this..
preset 107
preset 107
Thoughts? I still have NFI what i'm adjusting in Fauna but it's working (I think)
Click here to listen to Breathing 02.mp3
strav101 - Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:32 am
I'd cop out and use a sampler
ampman117 - Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:22 pm
Sounds only like exhaling to me....missing inhale part....maybe sample the sound and reverse it for the inhale? Also I listened on my phone, and it sounded like there was too much high end, but that is likely just my phones speakers
NAD - Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:29 pm
How's this?
White noise with some high+lowpass through two different formant filters + some EQ with the highpass rising toward the end.
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