KVR :: Instruments » Steinberg Re-releases two classic VSTi's [View Original Topic]
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Northwood Mediaworks - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:43 pm

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Just in case you did not hear....

http://www.steinberg.net/de/newsandevents/news/newsdetail/article/discontinued-products-revived-1776.html

Cheers

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aMUSEd - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:46 pm

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Antique VSTi's Awesome

Holy crap there's a 64 bit version of Model E (Diva faces stiff competition)

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Deranger604 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:52 pm

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Hah! Funny... Model-E was the very first VSTi I owned! Kinda want to give it a try again.

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aMUSEd - Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:57 pm

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I never owned it but I bought the NI Pro 5 which came out roughly at the same time (well slightly after, Model E was really the first commercial softsynth) - I still have the classic copy of Computer Music that has the original product reviews of them both side by side.

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Evan - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:08 pm

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Whoa... memories....

That Model-E is multitimbral.... 16 MIDI channels in one instance. You can build a complete song with one VSTi... I wish more developers made their instruments this way.

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vic_france - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:16 pm

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Nice surprise! Thanks for the heads up

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audiojunkie - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:30 pm

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Interesting! How well does the sound stand up to modern-day plugins...even free ones? Is it worth spending the time to download them?

--Sean

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aallvor - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:32 pm

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Not really, but I did anyway. Sure is easy on the cpu

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whet - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:34 pm

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They sound like crap, no competition to todays free vst sector.

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audiojunkie - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:35 pm

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Cool!

--Sean

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pheeleep - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:36 pm

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So are these free now or are the updates for paying customers of the VSTi's in question?

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audiojunkie - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:38 pm

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As I understand it, they have been set free... but I've just been informed that they were already pretty tame to begin with.

--Sean

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osiris - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:39 pm

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These are so old and not even relevant. I think the only reason they've done this is to catch other cracked Steinberg stuff. (My paranoia)

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aallvor - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:47 pm

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Here's hoping they'll set free other, more recent, discontinued vsts.

D'cota anyone?

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Rajah - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:50 pm

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Dham... When I saw the VB 1... I really thought that they went ahead and re-introduced Virtual Bassist...


Maybe that's what their engineers should spend their free time working on..

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osiris - Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:51 pm

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A-Synth!!!!

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vata44 - Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:10 pm

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they suck... ugh.

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LBN - Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:34 pm

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Normally I'm excited about freebies like these but Model-E blows so hard it's classified as a Category 5.

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audiojunkie - Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:42 pm

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--Sean

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VitaminD - Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:17 pm

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There seems to be a denormal or some other glitch... cpu spikes periodically using this...


Thanks to Steiny though for releasing these... and even including 64-bit ports too!

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hebb - Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:37 pm

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who cares! there's better freeware.

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VitaminD - Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:53 pm

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Perhaps some positive encouragement will get them to release some of their other older products.. like D'Cota or A1

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pandashake - Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:04 pm

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+1

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HunterKiller - Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:50 pm

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Are they they ones messing up XPhrase or is it Wizoo/Digidesign?

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Muzik 4 Machines - Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:01 pm

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i used vb1 quite a lot in the days, into amplitube 1 it had a real nice bass sound

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4damind - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:06 am

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LOL. the panorama knobs of the E makes funny things Seems this knob has a own life

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chokehold - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:37 am

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Hm.
Downloaded, installed, tried. Not impressed.
They're pretty sh!tty, to be honest.

They seem to be free, didn't find any copy protection. Just download and install.

The VB-1 does odd things, like for example it occasionally plays two (wtf?!) fret/picking sounds, when the (not overlapping) notes are only doing a 1/2 note step (which would be ONE fret on a real bass, not two).
And I guess it's because of that bug that you can't play any fast legatos with it, it just zips and crackles all the time.
In overall, it sounds pretty synth-y, not like a real bass. But it does have a unique flavour to it.

The E ... dunno. Do I really have to go up as far as C4 on the Keyboard, before even the default setting sounds any good? Lots of zips and crackles there as well. The filter sounds way too unagressive, the lower right Sustain knob doesn't seem to do anything, and the overall sound is just "cheap plastic", no matter how long I fark around with it.
At least VB-1 has some frickin' factory presets...

For the sake of nostalgia, these might be worth downloading. If you have no "shared past" with these - don't bother.
I didn't believe the spiteful posts, so I tried them myself. Now I'm writing a spiteful post. Go figure.

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GaryG - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:47 am

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I think the E may have some worth... sits between 'chip' sounds and todays more analogue than analogue approach. Sometimes a light sound (heavily effected ) can add... garnish to a mix.

Though you can get the sound with a zillion freebies today too so down to aesthetics and all that if you use it.

But, hey, go Steinberg. Woo!

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chokehold - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:47 am

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For more old Steinberg stuff, you might wanna visit ftp://ftp.steinberg.de/Download/Legacy_Plugins/

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GaryG - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:55 am

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Neon and Quadrafuzz FTW!



How about the reverb (can't remember the name...) that came with the very first Cubasis' etc? That had serious quality issues that would be lapped up today.

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Jazz Franco - Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:04 am

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Exactly 10 years after, same response. OK, that was about CS40, but if I get it right it's also available as freeware from Steinies' ftp?

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dalor - Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:04 am

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Finally, the future is truly here. We have entered the 'classic' era in the plugin world. Soon we'll have the "new classic", then go back to 'classic' and then come up with variations in taste like cherry and vanilla.. Err.. Now give me my damn silver space clothing that was promised to me early 80s to be fashion by now!

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shanecgriffo - Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:14 am

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hmm, makes me wonder why they bothered on first listen...
even the most nondiscript freeware offering is more exciting these days.
I wonder if they'll be any better on 2nd listen
xphrase would be nice tho!

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Numanoid - Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:19 am

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Thanks for the link

The other week someone tried to sell Model E bundled with a few other old VST's (incl Plex 1, who needs that when Plex 2 is now freeware?) for $200 on eBay.

Happy I did not bid for that

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chokehold - Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:21 am

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After all, they called them "VST Classics 1", so maybe there is a "VST Classics 2" coming along soon? Hopefully it'll be something more useful.

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aciddose - Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:24 am

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i think they're very worth downloading and perhaps should be downloaded and used extensively by anyone who wants to start talking about "most analog plugin". this will give them an idea where the whole issue was rooted.

the "analog" they're referring to tends to be the difference between these shitty plugins and a good quality modern plugin. the difference between these and an analog synthesizer or a good quality modern plugin and analog synthesizer are still the same though. although there are some relatively improved emulation attempts virtually all fail completely to capture the real differences.

over all timbre in modern plugins is almost perfect in many cases - unique complex behavioral properties however tend not to be very well matched.

the unique complex properties are what people like me refer to when we say "analog".

(for example, the ms-10 filter combines frequency modulation by the input, asymmetric saturation followed by symmetric saturation in the signal path, frequency modulation by the feedback and non-linear frequency response or in other words non-perfect key-tracking of frequency control.

these properties and their mixture are so complex and unique that in order to emulate them with a generic synthesizer you'd need ten thousand knobs in the filter section. it's extremely difficult to emulate even with a modular synthesizer, if at all even possible given a limited set of modules.

much like emulating a particular violin.)

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Compyfox - Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:26 am

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Now I'd love to see them reviving "other" old tools...

A1, Virtual Guitarist/Bassisst, Voice Machine...
Hey, I can dream!


Then again, from the looks, VB-1 was not really enhanced, just rerendered with a new GUI and x64 support. Then again, it was part of Cubase since VST3.7 days. Yes, that is old.

I'm curious when they will update LM-4.

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MaxSynths - Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:24 am

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You can find a lot of samples generated with Model E in some of the most famous modern sample based synths...

Downloading now, if it's free and not an update this is a really appreciated gift!

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Compyfox - Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:46 am

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Also... you can now use them OUTSIDE" of Cubase if I see that right... now that is a treat.

(not too sure on these old VSTi if they were ever capable of running in another host - I was always with Cubase until SX times).

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hibidy - Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:11 am

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Thanks for all the kind words, god, I thought kvr was a nice place where free is accepted and appreciated. steinberg sucks

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Moe Shinola - Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:17 am

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I might end up getting a lot of use out of Model-E. It's got 3 Oscs, plus noise gen. I could make some cool FX sounds with it. I did a quick A-B with Chris Roberson's RA Mowg and yes, I can hear the difference but so what? If I tinker with it enough I can coax good sounds out of it.

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hatethatiloveyou - Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:23 am

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Can't get Model E to work on either of my macs. Wrapped in logic or in Reaper. :(
VB-1 Works...but who cares......

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Jazz Franco - Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:32 am

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Just tried them in Psycle. VB-1 went to the trashbin straight away (why on earth they don't distribute them just zipped, without that stupid installer btw?). Model E is not that bad, really (never tried it before as never used Cubase). "This plugin" it's probably not, but I programmed some semi-decent sounds on the fly. No way this will find its way into "big phat productions with commercial sound", but I shall certainly keep it in my 'freeware' (ie Psycle) setup an use now and then. Recommended, not highly, but recommended. Also great for n00bies, as the layout is rather logical and simple.

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zakufan - Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:42 am

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the warmth of vintage plugs...

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audio/fault - Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:17 am

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downloading now. will bring some memories...

but would be nice to have them as audiounits to use it in logic (and not only live)

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osiris - Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:51 am

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The Steinberg site always does weird things. I clicked on the link and what looked like an FTP menu came up. In the PC folder was Karlette, and two other old synths: JX-16 and something else CSA, something or other. I didn't think I was where I was supposed to be so I clicked off and of course can't find that page again, but I do have fond memories of Karlette ....

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sonicpowa - Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:09 am

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Funny I was just thinking of putting it for a good use in big phat productions with commercial sound.
Thanks Steiny for not letting me down, it's quaranteed golden classic retro crap.
EDIT: "these are voluntarily provided by our engineers in their free time" so thanks again!

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Northwood Mediaworks - Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:45 am

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Well, glad to see a good response to the post... both for and against...., I see it is now on the News page here. For me, all plugins are just tools, some work for me, some don't.. are these great plugins, probably not, but some day, some time, there may be just the right sound needed that can be squeezed out of them - so they are just tools waiting to be used, or not. Hardly consuming much disk now are they?

The music comes from you, not the plugins!

Cheers

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Numanoid - Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:56 am

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Thanks for the link

Both plugs work with Herman Seib's VST host, and I also manage to load them into FL Studio 10.

Model-E is still usable, preset 13 got some nice grit for instance. But a pity there is not 'right-click' midi learn, that hampers the hands on usability.

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LeVzi - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:20 am

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I think it's great that the engineers at Steiny did these plug-ins in their spare time and now they will work in the newer DAW's around.

Hence why i'm praying Quadrafuzz gets an overhaul as that still is one of my all time favourite distortions.

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Xenos - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:28 am

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Hey thanks for the heads-up, OP

I've always wondered what Model E was like. After playing around with it for the last 15 mintues, I can say it definitely shows it's age nowadays - yes, there currently better freeware out there, BUT... I'm enjoying the nostalgia, plus this plugin does have one distict advantage: The CPU usage is ridiculously low, which is perfect for when you want very simple sounds inserted into a track without eating away at those precious CPU cycles.

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jancivil - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:39 am

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be great if they revied something useful, such as Magneto.

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budweiser - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:39 am

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+1
i also use it like an eq and it's awsome on drums

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jancivil - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:42 am

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aMUSEd - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:58 am

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Of course Model E will not sound that great compared to today's synths. It was the first and tbh was pretty quickly superseded by much better synths (including the aforementioned NI Pro 5 and some great freeware like JX Synth). But as a piece of plugin history this is worth having, if only for the nostalgia.

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danbroad - Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:16 pm

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Maybe NI, seeing Steinberg's gesture, could set Pro-53 free for Christmas..... they have a lovely habit of giving something cool out....

Anyway, can anyone remember if these were Payware, and how much they cost? I remember drooling over Model E once upon a time...

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osiris - Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:29 pm

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They have Pro 53 on sale at Guitar Center for $79.00

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Compyfox - Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:43 pm

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IIRC, Model E was regular payware - one of the first Steinberg VSTi "boxes" along with the Waldorf Edition and then the later suspects like Halion, VirtualGuitarist, etc.

VB-1 was always part of Cubase since VST3.x days. Read: end 90ies.

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japut_99 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:47 pm

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I would've taken steiny's gesture alot more serious had it been d'cota and xphrase.......model e?? but i like the new knobs steiny, looks good. And to throw one off into the atmosphere "you're all getting german cuckoo clocks."

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ZINO - Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:45 pm

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Steinberg engineers should better spend their "free time" drinking beers and scoring chicks rather than working in Model E for f%&$'s sake!!!!!

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jdieks - Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:56 pm

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And if someone gave you 10 cents for free it would have to be a f**king asshole... what?! only 10 cents?? You can't be serieus...

Just my 2 cents

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japut_99 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:09 pm

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snap crackle pop.....hey did you buy model e when it was "hot' on the market? i can be serieus

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hibidy - Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:19 pm

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I had a guy ask for some change to eat once and actually gave him about a buck fiddy in change. He said "what, no bills??"

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japut_99 - Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:42 pm

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fixed that for you

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hibidy - Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:50 pm

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hehe

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BFunKu - Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:49 pm

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Let me know when they set Xphraze free!

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Jazz Franco - Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:12 am

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Here you go mate
ftp://ftp.steinberg.de/Download/Legacy_Plugins/PC/VSTfx_Karlette/

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4damind - Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:13 am

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We need Quadrafuzz!!!

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jdieks - Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:29 am

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What the hell does giving something away FOR FREE have to do with not having payed for it 10 years ago?

And by the way:

1) If you want analog, buy analog

2) if you have analog gear this can actually be nice used as some lofi sound like an arpeggiator because not all sounds have to be super PHAT

3) point 2 is also valid when using it with very good VSTs

4) If you can't afford analog, why complain when you get something FOR FREE?

5) "I would have taken steiny's gesture a lot more serieus"... Do they owe you something? Maybe they did something they have to make up for or something? In my book, since they've been bought by Yamaha they are going in the right direction and resurrecting old plugins is part of that. Look at other threads where people complain about them killing older products, now they're undoing that and it's still not ok

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beltrom - Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:57 am

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I don't get the negative replies either. It's a nice gesture and actually I even like model e. Easy programming, 16 part multitimbral and doesn't put a dent on the cpu no matter how hard you run it. I can definately see myself using it in the right context. There's a few nice banks to have here at kvraudio as well.

Thanks to Steinberg and the guys that put in their free time.

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Gucky - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:00 am

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Hi 4damind,
if you need quadrafuzz here it is:

ftp://ftp.steinberg.de/Download/Legacy_Plugins/PC/

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4damind - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:21 am

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Hehe, yes. I use it very often.
But it would be nice to have it also updated and also available for 64Bit.

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beltrom - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:23 am

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I think there's only an update?

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Jazz Franco - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:43 am

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No it's not.
From the readme file:


OMG CD-frigging-ROM!!!! [/code]

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Jazz Franco - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:55 am

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Returning to the point: unfortunately, couldn't get Model E to show in any host (Traction NFR and Reaper4) on my old iBook Mac with 10.4.11, which is sad -- looking at the CPU consumption on PC this could make some nice funny little setup.

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osiris - Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:54 am

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I thought I was in the ftp. Why does my computer always go to the main site then switch over to ftp view?
What is that CS-40 synth? I don't remember that.

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Jazz Franco - Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:20 am

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I believe it was included with some early version of Cubase. Anyway, the .dll provided on ftp doesn't open in any host here (I don't have Cubase so can't check if it works there)

Edit: that was Cubase 5.1

(scroll to the bottom of the page)



Edit2
And rather ugly it was

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ZINO - Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:43 am

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Most of the plug ins you can find hosted on the ftp try to find an equivalent dongle license in order to work and many of them work only in that specific host even if they can find a license (for example Cubase only)...

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Reverse Engineer - Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:55 am

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when you run the installer, it also places 5 model-e preset folders somewhere (i can't recall where now, as i've already moved them to my own presets folder...) my question is, how do you load them? they're all in vst3 (vstpreset) format, yet the plugin isn't vst3. if it helps any, i use flstudio.

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eidenk - Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:54 am

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Well they can't be loaded directly it seems but I figured out that each of those vst3 presets contains an fxb. By deleting the 64 first bytes of the file with an hex editor so that the file starts with CcnK and save as fxb you get a bank which can be loaded normally in any non-vst3 host. Optionally the trailing xml at the end of those vst3 presets can also be deleted but leaving it doesn't affect their viability as fxb.

In case it feels too complicated I uploaded the thus fixed banks:

http://www.mediafire.com/?217sxwvkc3wgoa7

(Someone please PM me in case there is any legal issue and I'll remove them)

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Dogboy73 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:23 am

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Blimey! There's a blast from the past. I remember Model-E didn't sound all that great 10 years ago. For me the main appeal was that it was basically an emulation of a Mini Moog. God knows how it must sound these days compared to what we have now. Can I be bothered downloading to find out? No!

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Reverse Engineer - Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:51 am

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excellent. thank you very much!

i really like this synth, so low on cpu etc (which matters a lot to me, as my comp is a p4, with 1gb ram) it makes no impact at all on resources. as for the sound quality, it does it's job pretty well.

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eidenk - Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:13 am

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Cool, glad you're happy with that.

There are some user banks here on Kvr and some on patch arena also btw.

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kelldammit - Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:45 am

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hehe, i remember those days LM-4 was the first vsti i ever bought. i remember editing kits with notepad never really had much use for vb-1 or neon, though, and don't even remember model e...

karlette=fond memories indeed

k

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Northwood Mediaworks - Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:53 am

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A little processing goes a long way.... any old plug can be spruced up with the right fx..

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TrekStar - Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:57 pm

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definitely +1!

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Meffy - Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:05 pm

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Run it through Baxxpander from Elogoxa (free) and it can be reasonably usable.

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fmr - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:13 pm

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I raise my voice for A1 too. I was very disappointed when I saw that I couldn't run it anymore in Lion. But that's a Waldorf work, AFAIK
And Xphrase, which was done by ReFX, I think.
Or D'Cota, which was a cutdown version of Tera, by Virsyn (which also did the synths currently in Cubase).
When I think of it, it seems like Steinberg never did any synthesizer by themselves.

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fmr - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:21 pm

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That's the Apple syndrome. Any system more than three years old cannot run today software. Any software more than three years old cannot run in today OS

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japut_99 - Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:50 pm

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I was going to mention A1 as it was a litl bad#ss but everyone gets wadded undies when you throw a little fire toward Cu-boss and Steinberg. A1 would eat three model e's and a vb1 for brunch.......Personally like I thought I alluded to was I wish Steiny would dole out all the discontinued software......the thought of some of those instruments dying kills a little piece of me inside. I'm sure this whole mess is not doing any good to the SX years dongle that hasn't been touched in quite a while either.....

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kelldammit - Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:07 pm

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that sounds like something fun to try. i should download those and see what i missed. vb-1 and the synths went right by me at the time, mostly because i had a real bass and a k2000s

k

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DJanswer - Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:44 pm

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Hey guys, just in case you haven't downloaded those VSTs yet here you can watch video demonstrations of them:

- VB-1 http://myvst.com/vst-instruments/bass-synths/1758-vb-1-freeware

- Model E http://myvst.com/vst-instruments/bass-synths/1762-model-e-freeware

Hope you enjoy it

myVST

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SJ_Digriz - Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:19 pm

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lol, a thread for ancient craptastic VSTi is going strong, while the fact they just released some fairly decent plugs is totally ignored. Awesome.

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xybre - Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:43 pm

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Like what?

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hatethatiloveyou - Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:28 pm

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SJ_Digriz - Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:54 pm

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http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/vst/yamaha_vintage_plug_in_collection/start.html
All VST plugins instead of synths, but still ...


They are actually pretty darn good other than a bit pricey.

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gpunk - Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:47 am

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Fairly decent for that price doesn't even warrant a comment never mind an entire thread hahaha
£326 for three plugins they need to be outstanding, are Steinberg living in a different economy to the rest of the world hahahahaha

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como baila - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:22 am

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I just want to give some props to those same Steiny studio engineers who also in their spare time wrote unsupported x64 drivers for the Steinberg Midix8 and Midix3 patchbays.

I was crying on Win7 x64 with my now nearly useless MOTU Midi Timepiece Parallels staring at me from the rack. One Midix8 off Craig's and one off eBay later, with Cubase's linear time base buffering and these puppies I have rock solid midi timing superior to the MOTUs.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Besides Xphrase, I just wish they'd sell me Hypersonic2. I think it's still the best and certainly most efficient GM compatible plus soft sound module around. I cannot believe I didn't buy it when I had the chance.

Como

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TheoM - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:35 am

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works fine here in studio one v2 mac.

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mikebenson - Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:08 pm

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Why are they craptastic? Model E sounds great. I didn't checkout VB-1 yet.

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