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sches - Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:27 pm

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Hi guys, I have good news. Diversion 1.1 is out with new features. You could download it from here:

http://diversion-synth.com/DiversionSetupWin.exe

Here is a list of changes:

- Exponential and variable slope envelope modes
- 2 analog lowpass filter modes
- Filter parameter DMP renamed to Control. Now it works for each filter mode, except 6 dB lowpass. See the manual for details
- Hyperbolic shaper type
- Feed, Erose and Chip Oscillator Effects. Oscillator Effects are selectable now
- GrainShifter FX
- 2 tube modes for Distortion FX
- Crackles LFO mode
- Redesigned BUS Distortion
- 6 additional slots for ModMatrix
- Fixed occasional crashes
- Minor fixes for ModMatrix, Master Level range, pitch modulation, Scissor and LO-FI modules, GUI and many others
- Added 50 new patches

Let me explain several features. The update intended to expand Diversion in two dimensions. The first part is analogue sound design. Now Diversion has two fat analog modelled lowpass filters with an adjustable internal saturation. From the first look it may seems that these filters produces too strong self-oscillations for high Resonance values. Just tweak internal saturation and you will see it worth that. The second point is new envelope modes. Actually, in EXP mode EG produces more complex envelope for Decay and Release stages than exponential. This curve has more natural fading out and distinct "punch" than a traditional exponent. Variable-slope mode is useful for achieving linear and Bezier-style curves. Finally Diversion now has a fat hyperbolic shaper and tube models for Distortion FX.

Don't forget to try CTRL value field for different filter modes. For example, internal resonance limiting circuit with an adjust threshold was implemented for classic LP/BP/HP filters. Bandwidth, balance, resonance, center frequencies can be controlled for other filter types.

On the other side the update extends atmospheric, FX and LO-FI capabilities of the synth. New GrainShifter FX can produce many cool ambient things. CHIP OscFX is a great addition to BUS' LO-FI. Try it at max low and high pitches, apply it to waves with a low and high harmonic content. FEED FX is great for shaping noise waveforms, producing digital aliasing and extending traditional FM capabilities. BTW, it makes sense to use two and more similar OscFX within single oscillator. OscFXs are smart. For example, if you use two SubOscs then transposition for the first one is one octave below original pitch and two octaves for the second one. And so on…

There are 50 new patches included to show usage of new features. If you want to check only those new patches you could download them from here:

http://diversion-synth.com/files/Diversion_v11_patches.zip

BTW, if you haven't noticed yet, Diversion wins two Computer Music awards in CM173 - Editor's Choice and Performance with a score 9/10.

And finally, you can win one of 8 copies of Diversion in Computer Music competition! Check this link http://on.fb.me/cmcomps to learn more.

So have a fun, happy Xmas and New Year!

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pdxindy - Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:34 am

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Would love to hear a sound demo of the new features...

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Bronto Scorpio - Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:54 am

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Woah! Thanks Dmitry!
Can't wait to try this! And I can finally start my Diversion bank
Thanks again and happy Xmas!

Cheers
Dennis

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Bronto Scorpio - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:03 am

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Holy Cthulhu! The new filters are juicy!

Cheers
Dennis

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sches - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:19 am

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Thanks! Unfortunately I haven't had enough time to make demos, I hope they will be available next months.

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flyinger - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:23 am

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Thank you!
Diversion is becoming a monster sound.
Dmitry, your priorities are right.

Rock and Roll and a Merry Christmas.

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Bronto Scorpio - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:43 am

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Seriously! These new filters are amazing!
Here is a quick example of the new Analog LP2 filter and the new Hyperbol shaper: http://k003.kiwi6.com/hotlink/969xnpn6b3/diversion11test.mp3

Cheers
Dennis

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paterpeter - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:48 am

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Thanks Dmitry for the update!

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DirkJ - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:02 am

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Thank you for that update and happy holidays!

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sches - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:22 am

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You are always welcome guys! Oh yes, I'm affraid with several another updates Diversion will become a terrific monster. Thanks Dennis for the great sound! The first lowpass is mostly intended for dirty sounds, like dubstep, while the second one is great for psionics at a high resonance.

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flyinger - Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:57 am

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It's now a new synth!
Monster, Monster
I think I'll go crazy.

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sches - Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:46 am

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Thanks, I'm glad you like it!

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Borealis - Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:30 am

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Greetings Dmitry,

I can't wait for this to available for Mac OSX. Best wishes for the new year. Cheers!

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sches - Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:26 pm

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Thanks Borealis! Now I can concentrate on MAC version.

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S0lo - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:09 pm

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Love the new Analog filters!! Awesome update

The grain shifter introduces nice new harmonics on every rate setting. Beautiful beast.

Thanks Dmitry and happy holidays

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sches - Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:30 pm

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Thanks Ammar! Yeah I love GrainShifter, cool thing. More grain processing is planned for the next updates...

Happy holidays too!

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runray - Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:11 am

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just LOVE IT!
The amazing features, the amazing synth!

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sches - Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:43 am

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Thanks Nick, very pleasant!

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Lotuzia - Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:01 am

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Great update for a synth who was already very interesting !

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flyinger - Fri Dec 23, 2011 6:10 am

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The filters are so good.
I have my sounds all things new.
Dmitry it's Christmas, and they give us an Easter egg.

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sches - Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:23 am

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Thanks guys for support!

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sches - Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:09 pm

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BTW guys, I forgot to mention, did you enter Computer Music competition in CM173? You can win one of 8 copies of Diversion. More information you could find here http://on.fb.me/cmcomps. The thread's head updated.

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paterpeter - Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:20 pm

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That's a good idea to get more attention, Dmitry. All the best and Merry Christmas!

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Crackbaby - Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:17 pm

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I almost missed the new CTRL feature! Woah! * wipes tears of joy*
Funny how you can use one or two controls to totally mash a standard waveform beyond recognition and then have so many left to play with! You can even tame it back with for instance chip only to bend it away with the scissor again
Then you enter the filter ... The FM, The Bus filters, Dist, Lofi .. and maybe into Bus 2 .. and now we have a grain effect lol

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sches - Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:39 am

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Thanks, it's great that this update isn't fruitless!

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Crackbaby - Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:46 pm

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Now when you can pick your osc modifier (if that is the name) you can stack for instance four scissors
Those dubsteppers will adore this vsti

I was wondering.. is it possible for the vsti to know when aliasing occurs? It would be handy if a little lamp flashed so you knew when to try 4x or 8x. With all the weirdness going on in a patch it can be hard to detect it but if you switch to 8x suddenly it all sounds so much more pleasant. Maybe the trick is to start at 8x and once done try out 4x and 2x.

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sches - Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:40 pm

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This would be a great feature, but it is hardly possible. For aliasing prediction it is needed to estimate signal spectrum in several points of the synth and take into account all modulations for key parameters. This algorithm would be too smart, complex and not enough reliable. It requires a lot of additional, useless for synthesis information, which wastes CPU.

However, here are several guidelines to keep track of aliasing. VST spectrum analyzer is the best tool for monitoring aliasing. If you are looking at analyzer during the preset making you can notice when aliasing occurs. Typically preset's spectrum evolves smoothly with its growth. You can recognize aliasing as a fast spreading, breathing pollution. Like this:



In Diversion there are several modules which can produce aliasing. FM/RM, Feedback OscFX, Drive after filters with a high resonance setting, Filters with an internal saturation, Distortion FX. Aliasing in LO-FI modules and Chip is a normal part of the process due its nature. Oscillator waveforms, other filter types, most of OscFXs, all FXs except Distortion are alias-free.

Typically, you should care about aliasing only when you tweak FM knob and Filter's Drive, which applied after filter with a strong resonance. The most of other cases does not produce any reasonable aliasing. However, sometimes you can make highs clearer at 8x. For example, sample rate reduction, comb filters in some cases can sound much brighter at 8x. So sometimes it would be great to try different oversampling options.

You shouldn't use oversampling for all other cases - typical and simple basses, pads, plucks. Oversampling doesn't improve these kinds of sounds, it simply uses a lot of CPU for no purpose. And finally, good practice is trying to use oversampling only for monophonic sounds. In this case CPU overload is mostly unnoticeable.

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TB4C - Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:57 pm

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I can"t win anything in CM mag cause I am in South Africa...will have to save up for this Baby "Diversion"

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TB4C - Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:06 am

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I'll make demo tunes if you want Dimitry....I'll wash your dishes, your car, I will work in your garden for one of these!!!

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sches - Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:10 am

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Yes, unfortunately CM compos only for US/UK citizens I'm really sorry. I have shoot PM to you.

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Crackbaby - Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:37 am

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Woah! Thanks for that explanation Dmitry!!

I used 4x Feedback modifiers and 50% FM. Yes, there was aliasing It's a very good example to hear how 8x helps

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sches - Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:46 am

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The great example. You are right, the main purpose of oversamping in Diversion is to reduce aliasing for FM and Filter's Drive.

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Crackbaby - Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:59 am

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Hey Dmitry!

I noticed that if i rightclick on a control to add a modulation, i can continue to add the same modulation so i might end up with 3x LFO1 on the filter for osc1.
Not sure if it's intended or not. It has it uses for instance when you have key->lfo rate if you want higher effect from it *cough dubstep cough*.

Putting Sub before the other osc mods adds so many new cool sounds It's no longer just a triangle/square one octave below, but now also affected by the following osc mods! Brilliant

How is the architecture for OSC 2 when used as F/RM(odulator)? When it's turned off i can hear that (osc2's)Buzz affects osc1 and so does feed. The others i cant hear any effect from.

Speaking of dubstep: Using RM(40%ish) and having osc2 set to -1 oct +1 note gives that ol' lfo effect where key affects rate.
Opps Turns out that there was more to it. Inv osc1 and then add sub feed and erose .. and .. and ... and *computer blows up*



Oh well, it was worth it

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flyinger - Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:26 am

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Thank you for the note!

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Aiynzahev - Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:43 pm

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Hello Dmitry

I just demoed the synth for a little while. I am really impressed. Let me just say that the presets are the most usable and therefore the best I have ever heard on a synth. I usually hear one or two that I think I can make a song with, if they are modified, but with your presets every different sound I demoed sounded liked a different part of a track. In my mind I could imagine an entire song just from some of your presets. Really excellent stuff. Not just impressive but beautiful. The synth itself is very complex so I have to spend more time. I need a workhorse synth that is very flexible so I will be considering this one now too.

If I win it that would be great! IF not I can see now that $150 is not a bad price.

Running it at 96khz completely removed the aliasing with high resonance. It does not sound as Analog to me as some other synths but I need something modern and lighter sounding. I am very pleased to find such fine tuning available on the OSC's themselves for example the brightness and buzz. I was able to make sounds I have rarely heard other synths make. Very sharp sounds.

I make EDM so I could really see this working.

The CPU usage is simply not doable on my Core2duo laptop. I will build a PC soon though so we will see. It will be at least an i3 so it should fair better.

Sami

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sches - Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:00 am

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Sorry for silence, the holidays were a bit hard for me.

Yes it makes no sense to assign the same modulations for a single target. The result is just a summing of mod depths. Maybe I have to disable this possibility, I'll check that.

Yes Bjorn, Feed and Buzz FXs are different from the others. They are applied inside the osc, while the others are just process osc's output. The FM source is taken directly from the osc's output, before FXs and Filter applied. So, Feed and Buzz have an impact for FM, but other FXs haven't. Thanks for the guide, cool dub sound!

Thanks Sami! I tried my best to build the plugin and make sounds for it, it's really pleasant to see that it worth that! Diversion has a very interesting and cool sounding engine, I'm glad that not only me likes it. I'd recommend you to have a look at Intel processors based on Sandy Bridge architecture (available for Core i3 too). Such processors are great and allow to run Diversion without problems.

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ThomasHelzle - Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:12 am

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Hi Dmitry,

I had a lot of fun yesterday evening with Diversion, but stumbled over one weird thing:
When a directory has a lot of presets so they don't fit in one page (like the 150 patches from Che for instance), the preset browser window acts very weird.
When I scroll down to reach the other presets not fitting into the screen, and click on one of those down there in the first column, the page jumps up and now the preset is selected but is located in the second column. On further investigation it seems, that somehow the presets are present in multiple columns at the same time.
Is that only me or are you seing this as well?

This was in the 64 Bit version on Windows 7 with Studio One v2.

Cheers and thanks for this brilliant synth!

Tom

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sches - Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:32 am

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Hi Tom, thanks for your kind words! Yes, I can see these troubles. Very strange behaviour, I'm going to fix this. The fix will be included in the nearest update. Thanks for the informing!

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ThomasHelzle - Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:47 am

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Great!

Thanks a lot!

Tom

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S0lo - Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:25 am

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Hi Dmitry, happy new year

I've been playing with a couple of synths lately along with Diversion and I noticed that Sylenth1 (which I purchased lately) uses separate unison voices for each OSC, it's pretty flexible since you're not forced to Unison the whole sound. But I wonder if it's also would be good for CPU usage considering it for future versions of Diversion (if thats even possible). I'm thinking if unison voices get created at each oscillator, then added before being processed by the the filters and buses, would that in any way lower CPU usage?

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sches - Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:38 am

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Hi Ammar, happy new year to you too!

Yes, it definitely would decrease CPU usages for unison-based sounds. I wanted and still want to make such additional unison mode. But there are several serious troubles with quality and architecture that I haven't solved yet. I'll try harder, since it would be a great addition for the plug, both from the CPU usage and functionality point of view. I hope this will be resolved with one of the future updates.

Originally the full-path unison for Diversion was chosen from the quality point view. With restricted Sylenth1-style unsion it is impossible to 1) create clean and nice FM/RM sounds, 2) to create clean distortion with Drive knobs, LO-FI and etc, because distortion applied to the mix of voices produces powerchord-style sounds with beatings and dirt.

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Crackbaby - Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:11 am

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I love being able to chord sounds with lots of post effects on the osc's! It must be very unique because i can't remember any other synth doing it. The osc drive can for instance be used on pads and still leave the sound clean and smooth!

Damn it! I had planned to play guitar this evening but it seems ill be playing with diversion instead

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sches - Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:47 am

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I'm sorry for that

In many cases this short-unison sounds with distortion are ugly. For example, you could check this patch:

http://diversion-synth.com/files/DirtyDrive.p

It is 7x heavily detuned unsion here and softclipper on a bus. The sound is nice in polyphonic bus mode, but when the bus is switched to mono mode the sound becomes dirty with unpleasant movements (until that is not intended art effect). That is because in mono mode the mix of voices is passed into the bus and processed by softclip. When you press more than one note you have a powerchord effect. But with a careful sound design you could achieve some very nice effects here. For example, you could check the "SEQ Mysterious Ways" from the factory library. It would be great to set softclipper on the BUS1 to max for more noticable effect. Now you can compare the sound in poly and mono bus mode. In poly mode it is clean, but thin, while in mono mode it has a gentle distortion. The same thing with "LEAD Overtones", it sounds much richer or warmer in mono bus mode when playing series of notes.

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Giusmex - Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:42 am

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hi Dmitry I have to say that i use Diversion for almost all of my songs i cant just do them without it; the sounds are extremely interesting and touch all of the genres


anyway, for who ( like me) is just learning to use synths, could you please make a video tutorial on Diversion and its proper use in all of its sections?

i would be extremely grateful for you


Happy new year and congratulation for this great, great synth

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S0lo - Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:25 am

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I see what you mean Dmitry, It was clear after trying your preset, as you said, the noise is even clearer when using polyphony. It seams that Sylenth also suffers the same thing when using the effects section distortion. I guess things some times would be left to the sound designer to decide, or may be allow both ways of unison, and prevent the per osc unison when distortion is applied, or may be a small led that gives a warning to the user. I'm sure you will have better ideas . But I really appreciate your seek for perfection and quality!!. I'm enjoying most of the sounds even without unison.

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sches - Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:53 pm

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Hi Giusmex, happy new year too! I'm very pleased to hear you like and use the synth a lot. Yes I'll try to make some videos soon after some work. I hope they will be useful.

Ammar you are 100% right. Restricted unison is great for trance-style sounds, where no distortion and FM is used, or used rarely. Typically those sounds are created in pure subtractive fashion, when a sum of several unison oscs passed into the filter. The advantage is obvious - low CPU usage and good results. That is why I'm so highly interested in such type of unison. But when such sounds meets any heavy nonlinearities at their processing path the results quickly become unusable. It's hard to make heavily overloaded but still clean sounds with the restricted unison. Since Diversion has lots of nonlinearities inside oscs and buses it would be so easy to achieve bad sound from the plugin. I need to think more precisely about this kind of unison...

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S0lo - Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:15 pm

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hmm, so it's not only distortion that cause problems. That complicates things. Good luck with the thinking anyway.

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ThomasHelzle - Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:44 pm

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Hi sches,

one question: Would it be possible to add some kind of patch-notes to the preset browser?
Similar to Zebra where the patch author can hint on what's special or what modulations to try etc. I currently start creating presets and would love to comment on them to later remember what I did...

With slightly longer filenames, there is currently no way to see them in the browser or in the interface - would it be possible to implement flyouts in the browser that show the full name when it's cut off?

And one more for the browser: It would be very good to have some kind of favorite system, be it some stars or coloration etc. to mark favorites - if possible with at least 3 levels...

Thanks!

Tom

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sches - Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:56 am

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Hi Tom,

That sounds reasonable, I'm planning to improve the preset browser and it seems to be great to add several or all of your suggestions. I'll make some of them soon.

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sches - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:26 am

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Hi guys! Flyinger has created the soundset consist of 78 excellent patches. You could download them from here:

http://diversion-synth.com/files/Flyinger-1.0.rar

Don't forget to try ModWheel and Master Morph. Thanks a lot Flyinger for the great sounds and for sharing!

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Bronto Scorpio - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:30 am

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Nice! I'll check them asap
I keep working on my bank but I always think "This is not good enough, I'll start again" and delete everything

Cheers
Dennis

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sches - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:23 am

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Yeah, the same thoughts when working on presets

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S0lo - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:33 am

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Thanks Dmitry and Flyinger, Nice set. Original ideas on many of them. Pity I don't have pressure on my keyboard as some presets use them like that dubstep.

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Crackbaby - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:34 am

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Oh.. I usually pat myself on the back and say "this cant possibly get any worse ... so only better from now on!"

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dejaru - Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:22 pm

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Hello Dmitry

How's the mac version coming along?

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sches - Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:40 pm

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Usually I save bad patches, sometimes a simple tweak on them brings nice ones. Maybe it's really impossible to know how the sound is working... Though that is why I love it.

Hello dejaru, unfortunately I haven't started the MAC version yet. My plans a bit changed now, but the MAC version still has a high priority.

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Bronto Scorpio - Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:45 pm

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I love the effect section of Diversion by the way! All the effects sound really great (The reverb!!!) and have some unique features (Like the reverse function of the delay)

Cheers
Dennis

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flyinger - Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:35 pm

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Thanks SOlo !

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Crackbaby - Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:55 am

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Hey Dmitry!

How is it going? Did you ever get a winter in Belarus? We've had a on/off winter. Snow one day, wet+mud the next, then it's freezing so the ground gets all slippery .. then new snow so you cant see where the ice is...... over and over again

Oh, and the osc mods are fantastic So are the new filters, and the fourth mod section ( ) and the ... and .. and!

Have a great day

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sches - Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:27 am

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Hey Björn! Winter came to us at last in all its charm. Frost, lots of snow, sun shines, blinking everywhere. Weather came alive here!

Now I'm finishing a small update with fixes and slight performance improvements. Soon it will be available. But the more interesting is that I have completed one cool thing, it will come in February, so stay on the line.

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djinsomniak - Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:35 am

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what's the ETA for the Mac version?

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paterpeter - Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:43 am

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Oooooh, I'm excited

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sches - Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:42 am

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I have problems with Mac development setup. I'd start Mac version right now, but I'm not able to. Though the development is suspended now, I'll resume it later when the problems become solved. Sorry for that.

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Crackbaby - Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:26 pm

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I just found http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/computers-software/virtual-instruments/diversion-522031/review




They must have run out of paint when filling the fifth star though, now it looks like it only got 4.5! Crazy world.. crazy world indeed.


Im looking forward to February when that mystic secret cool thing will step into the spotlight ... what can it be..... what can it be.

I hope everything is well with you. The news said we'll have a russian winter here this week. Snow and well below zero. Troy say's thanks

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sches - Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:03 pm

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Personally I like 9/10 score, it's honest since Diversion is CPU hog. I think it can't have 5 full stars as the final score today, at least until Core Quads and Duos are still used by e-musicians.

I won't torment you and will post more information about that secret soon
We have 15 below zero here, I missed that! Don't forget to send my kindest regards to Troy!

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sches - Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:05 am

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Hi guys, Diversion 1.11 is out. This is not a significant update, so I'm posting it here. Main purpose of this update is to fix annoying bugs, which can sometimes occur on some setups. Here is the list of changes:

- Fixed crash rarely occurred when switching presets
- Fixed CPU spike observed in Studio One
- Slightly reduced overall CPU load
- Envelopes now can be modulated by LFOs and MSEGs
- Fixed possible noise burst when playing sawtooth wave
- Fixed problems with scrolling in Preset Browser

You could download new version from here:

http://diversion-synth.com/DiversionSetupWin.exe

Thanks for letting me know about the bugs, have a nice day!

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Crackbaby - Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:27 am

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Of all emails that gets me excited, one from this thread when sches has replied are the best!

Tell me about "Envelopes now can be modulated by LFOs and MSEGs" please
Are the destinations in mod matrix for the envelopes new? I've never thought of modulating them, but i think i've seen them there before? Can't check with older version as i already installed new.

You can get some really nice rythms by modulating decay with an lfo! Thank you!

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sches - Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:56 am

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Thanks Björn! No, there are no new mod destinations for envelopes. Just old ones didn't work Now it's fixed. You are 100% right, I can't say that this possibility is valuable, but it makes sence when modulating decays/attacks for sequenced patches.

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ThomasHelzle - Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:14 pm

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Brilliant - thanks a lot for this update!!!

Cheers,

Tom

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sches - Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:41 pm

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You are welcome Tom, thanks for your support with fixing those bugs! If you'll find another ones, let me know please and we'll kill them all.

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ThomasHelzle - Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:46 am

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Hehehe - cool.

BTW. Part of the problem with Studio One was user error on my side - when I updated to Studio One Pro v2 last year, I did set the internal bit depth to 64 Bit for testing and later forgot about it. This way I got spikes that overloaded my CPU from just one voice with some sounds.
When I finally remembered and returned the setting to 32 Bit internal precision, the processor strain from Diversion was reduced by half.
Just thought I mention that here in case somebody else encounters the problem as well.


Too bad I'm a bit crowded with other work at the moment, so my soundset for Diversion will probably take quite a bit longer than I did hope...

Cheers and thanks!

Tom

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sches - Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:10 am

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Thanks Tom for sharing your experience! It would be great if it helps anybody with the same troubles. Good luck with the soundbank!

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Crackbaby - Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:55 pm

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I find myself almost always only using osc1 and 2. Anyone else having a similar experience? Im not sure why but i have thought of it a couple of times. Maybe it's because the sound image is full already or that i tweaked osc 1 and 2 so much i cant take it no more .

Dmitry, i was wondering how the osc bus knob is set up. Sometimes i find it great to assign the master x to those and have different "mixes" with the filters. A fairly simple way to use the master x/y but effective. Though it would seem that when the bus is in the middle, the perceived sound level is lower. I know with guitar potentiometers there's a certain type of mix (to blend pickup 1 and 2) which makes sure that the volume is the same from min to max.
Would this be possible to do? Or are my ears just deceiving me? It isn't too hard to compensate by adding some level modulation into the master x, but it is one or two less modulation slots! And believe it or not, but i have managed to hit the wall at page 4!

If you for instance set osc 1 bus to master x and osc 2 bus to master y and then just have different filters and effects you get such an easy way to add lots of variation to the master x/y. It works fine even if you have opened up the bus1->2 send but compensate for levels.

Oh.. -13°C this morning ..... it was cooooold
This weekend it's supposed to be worse but after that there's spring apparently!

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ThomasHelzle - Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:03 pm

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Dmitry,

I still seem to get the funny scroll/duplication bug in 1.11 64 Bit.
I currently go through the "Flyinger 1.0" presets with the browser open.
I scroll down to "LEAD Singer" in the first column (last entry in the first column for me).
Then I scroll up to get to the first preset in the second column, but like before, there are 18 presets from the bottom of the first column listed on top of the second column, so "LEAD Singer" appears again in the middle of the second column.
The same happens with "LEAD Vangelis" in the second and third column.

I can send you screenshots if you want.

Cheers,

Tom

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sches - Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:22 am

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Björn, in many cases two Diversion's oscs is enough for creating complete sound. Each single osc able to produce very complex sounds. In general the plugin can be considered as a two layer synth. OSC1+2 and BUS1 are the first layer, OSC3+4 and BUS2 are the second one. So it is normal when most of patches involve only two oscs.

Bus knob is a simple router. It splits osc's output into two signals and feeds them to the buses. When both buses have identical setting, the bus knob has no effect, if there is also no separate processing in FX matrix. When the buses have different options the output sound usually changes its volume in response to bus knob tweaking. The reason is that actually you mix two different signals at the output of two buses. When you tweak the bus knob you change not only volume of each bus output, but it's content too. So it is normal when the output volume changes since mixing result of two different signals depends on their timbres. There is no way for compensation because it is impossible to predict volume changes.

Tom, could you give me please two screenshots before and after scrolling? Afraid I'm missing something here.

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ThomasHelzle - Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:54 am

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Here you go:

This is the first column scrolled down to the bottom:



And this is what I see if I just scroll to the top without changing selection:



As you can see, 18 entries that were in the first column are duplicated on top of the second and "LEAD Singer" which was selected at the bottom of the first column is also selected in it's second incarnation in the second column. (You may need to download the images full size to see it clearly - KVR scales them down).

This happens with all library directories that have more entries than fit into the browser at once.
This is the same bug I encountered originally before 1.11 as well.

StudioOne v2.04 64 Bit, Diversion 64 Bit on Win 7 Pro 64 Bit.

Cheers,

Tom[/img]

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sches - Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:57 am

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Thanks Tom for the pictures! Now I can see that nontraditional scrolling for files I implemented maybe wasn't a good idea. It looks a bit embarrassing. Actually this is not a bug. When you click on the empty space of the scrollbar on the first image, browser tries to scroll the whole page up (60 items). In other words the browser tries to show BASS SEX 2 (the first invisible file) at the bottom cell of the third column. But there are only 18 hidden files, so the first file is shown at the first cell and you have the second picture above. Try to click on the scrollbar and drag it to see how the file scrolling works. The problem fixed in this update was a bug with unnecessary automatic scrolling when clicking on cells of the browser.

Yes, it seems that is would be better to implement standard column scrolling with horizontal scrollbar, like in Windows Explorer in List View mode. I think it would be more convenient?

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Crackbaby - Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:03 pm

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I love the presetbrowser as it is

I get every preset i have in 10 rows and 30 columns or so.




-18°C .....

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ThomasHelzle - Sun Feb 05, 2012 7:27 am

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Sches: LOL - that simply never occurred to me

I personally would say one needs a very good reason to go against the grain of the established in areas like a file browser. In this case it does no real harm, but I don't see much benefit either?

The expected behaviour for me would have been, that the content of the three columns stays the same and scrolls up as a whole to reveal what's below.
You would actually need less scrolling, only 6 lines for the 18 additional presets that don't fit in the window instead of 18 lines scrolling through all 3 columns.
Not significant in this case, but if somebody would put 256 presets in one folder it could be

Scrolling horizontally revealing additional columns to the right would be another option, but I'd actually prefer vertical in this case...

But you definitely don't have to change it for me, now that I finally got it.
Although honestly I personally would vote for the obvious over the non-standard when it comes to browsing...


Crackbaby: The File Browser is great when you go through new preset libraries, since it stays open while you step through the sounds. The Dropdown is getting annoying pretty fast in that case - at least to me

Cheers and thanks!

Tom

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Crackbaby - Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:01 am

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Oh doh

I totally misunderstood! Nevermind me! I don't think i have used the preset browser yet

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sches - Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:52 am

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Thanks Tom for your time, I'll do something here. I need some time to think which way would be better. Good thing that there is no lots of code needed.

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sches - Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:06 am

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Hi guys, if you read Computer Music Mag you have noticed that the next issue CM 176 will come with a free DiversionFX multi-effect. Further I'll post more details, now just a head up. Here is a screenshot:



Here is a bigger one.

This effect will be included in CM Studio, it means that the plugin will be available on every CM's DVD since 176 issue. The plugin isn't a cut down version. It's a fully featured Diversion in the form of FX. All filter modes from the synth, Lo-Fi, 10 FXs, 32-step Trancegate, LFOs and MSEGs. I must admit it's a monsterous plug with lots of features and tons of modulations . Hope you will like it!

In order to get it you need to buy any CM issue with DVD starting from 176. I think it's a good deal since there are many great free plugins, samples and other stuff on those DVDs.

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ThomasHelzle - Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:12 am

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Wow - cool!

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paterpeter - Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:29 am

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Great! Hopefully this plugin gets you masses of new customers.

I suppose it's CM exclusive, that is, not available for existing customers of the "full" synth?

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S0lo - Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:52 am

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Slap me on the face!! Watta....

Damn cooooool!!

Next CM is a must for me.

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paterpeter - Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:52 am

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*BAM*

Done.

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brick - Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:11 am

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O how I wish there was a Mac version

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S0lo - Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:17 am

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Ouch. Good!! I'm not dreaming.

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sches - Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:18 am

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Yes CM's plugins are exclusively shipped on CM DVDs. I would be happy to give a downloadable version for Diversion users, but unfortunately I'm not allowed to do that I would give the plugin via private message, but it isn't a legit way too.

brick, unfortunately Mac development is still suspended

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Piotr979 - Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:21 am

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Well done Dmitry,
You are working really hard
I am looking forward to try that new plugin for CMusic. In my opinion GUI of Diversion is very user-friendly and it's good that the multi-effect uses it as well.

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paterpeter - Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:22 am

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No problem, I'll get me an issue of CM then.

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Crackbaby - Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:24 am

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Wow!!!!!!! That is amazing!!

I've been thinking on how great it would be to use Diversion as a multiFX .......... and now .. i will be able to!!!!

CM better be FAST to deliver

Dmitry, you're a star °\☺/°

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Crackbaby - Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:33 am

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It wont be for sale until mars?

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sches - Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:07 am

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Thanks guys, I'm very pleased! Yes Björn, the issue will be on sale in a months.

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jaydj - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:08 am

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Just got the plugin from computer music magazine, but there seems to be a ptoblem using it in ableton live. When I add it as an insert effect there is no input, nothing is heard! Works fine in other hosts....any ideas?

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Giusmex - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:06 am

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for me it is 10/10 because i have an i7 8 cores!!1

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whet - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:21 pm

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You have 4 cores (but 8 threads)

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sches - Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:23 pm

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jaydj check PM please.

Thanks Giusmex!

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Giusmex - Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:48 am

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what does it mean i have 4 cores?


forgive me, maybe the italian language barrier hinders me from catching an eventual gag

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sches - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:54 pm

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Core i7 has 4 physical cores, each of which provides 2 logical ones. In total you have 8 virtual cores. With 2 logical cores you might achieve greater performance than for a single physical core, but less than for 2 ones.

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