KVR :: Hosts (Sequencers, DAWs, Audio Editors, etc.) » Bitwig Studio announced [View Original Topic]
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pc999 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:51 am

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http://www.bitwig.com/bitwig_studio.php

Lot of stuff seems quite interesting

Lots of imspiration in ableton Live (like S1 Pro in Cubase).


(linux support too !!!!)

I so hope for a big automap and lauchpad suport, also a nice copy protection system.

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Muziksculp - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:03 am

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This looks great !

I'm glad I didn't buy Live8. and Since Live 9 has not materialized yet, the bitwig announcement timing is perfect.

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christianmusicmaker - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:05 am

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The timing is interesting. Just before NAMM. Perhaps Live 9 is to be announced in a week or so. Either way it looks like an impressive debut for the Wigs

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lalo - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:11 am

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Wow! Great Stuff!
being a Shortcircuit and Surge user now i really know why Claes was less active on those monsters recently!

congrats to Claes and the other people behind BitWig!

a.

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pc999 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:12 am

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You got a image of some of the devices, seems quite nice for a first time.

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abstractcats - Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:31 am

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Oops! I just realized, you beat my post by about 14 mins... DRATS

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9headshydra - Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:26 am

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I just expect you can have more than 3 aux and wish also you can chose what they do,

it seems they are fixed : reverb / delay / chorus (may be not)

the next native modular system seems to be a good response to M4L

let see how much they ask for this daw

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claes@vemberaudio - Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:40 am

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hi lalo, thanks for for understanding.. actually there's some features developed for bitwig coming into surge soon!

cheers,
claes & the bitwigs

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Bronto Scorpio - Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:46 am

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Hey Claes!
Exciting news

Cheers
Dennis

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whet - Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:58 am

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Looks not bad, price will be interesting though. Wonder about the launchpad support too, this is a must then. The comments on youtube are funny "lawsuit inc" , bloody noobs .

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ThomasHelzle - Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:31 pm

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It's amazing that it basically does everything I would love Live 9 to do.

I totally dig the directly integrated nodes and the clip and note automation.

If the browser is as instant when searching as my mail software, you have a customer

(or a betatester, I'm just around the corner and even code in c++... )

I don't understand why Ableton is not shouting bloody murder though?
Or is it?

Best of luck to you guys!

Cheers,

Tom

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lalo - Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:43 pm

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great! and what about the golden Shortcircuit 2?

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kx.001 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:46 pm

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I'm very interested in the Linux side of things. I wonder whether they'll have enough Beta testers on that side of things

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TheoM - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:11 pm

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i honestly thought surge development was finished. I am glad to see it's not.

does that mean we will see an osx 64 bits version still to come?

Anyway congrats on bitwig studio!

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aMUSEd - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:17 pm

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Only automation straight lines? Would be an improvement on Live if they offered some spline based curves. Can it record automation fully? (unlike Live only in Arrange view)

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FarleyCZ - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:32 pm

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It really seems amazing. Would LOVE to betatest thisone.

Btw truth about the curves, yeah. Also hope in Live's macro system in there.

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orange - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:32 pm

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need of spline editing like flstudio on automation parts.
better piano roll... just by the looks of it, it looks bad like abletons ( again flstudio piano roll is pure awesomnes)
browser behavior like studio one would be just great.
fast and easy external controller linking like studio one or flstudio.

i wish the best for bitwig... and i hope developers listen to the customer requests.

and let it cheap with an easy registration process (no dongel or c/r please! )

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headquest - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:33 pm

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+1000000

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aMUSEd - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:35 pm

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Apart from the different timestretch algo what is that different from Live? - tbh it looks just like a reskinned Live

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Mariusz_ - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:36 pm

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there is 10 pages long topic about this yet you had to create another one. well done man.

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Goseba - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:38 pm

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Ah, but this one has been validated by a post from one of the Bitwigs

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Mariusz_ - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:39 pm

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haha yeah whatever, i just spotted there is another one - seems like a lot of folks are interested in this

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Goseba - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:40 pm

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I have been on the mailing list for a couple of years waiting for some info. I have just got back in to Live again but am sure interested to find out more about this.

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kx.001 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:42 pm

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And you just *had* to looksee, lol

I was impressed when three Bitwig topics at the top of the forum

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felonytrance - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:58 pm

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Best of luck to you guys over at bitwig. Seems people are pretty excited!

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gckilla - Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:59 pm

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I'm hoping that there is going to be a sampler with this and that it will essentially be shortcircuit.

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Goseba - Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:08 pm

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I wonder if Shortcircuit or Surge onwers get a discount?

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Bronto Scorpio - Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:11 pm

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I don't think so. Would be awesome though

Cheers
Dennis

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summer2000 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:16 pm

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Also Shortcircuit is freeware so a discount would definitely not apply for it.

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Bronto Scorpio - Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:18 pm

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Yeah but it wasn't always freeware.

Cheers
Dennis

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Goseba - Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:20 pm

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Some of us are registered owners.

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LawrenceF - Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:30 pm

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Not to state the obvious but ... If this is native Linux it may immediately easily become the best commercial native DAW on that platform. Outside of Ardour 3, which is really more of a free PT replacement, I don't personally see any real native competition for it on that platform... unless I missed something.

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coops2 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:42 pm

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energyXT

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Bump1 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:43 pm

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Pardon my aloofness...

But why would Linux be such a boon??

I mean... sure, if the DAW runs in Linux that is a nice little step towards further development...but... you still have to deal with the thousands of plugs that probably won't run in the Linux environment still, no?

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LawrenceF - Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:06 pm

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I wasn't suggesting Linux was better or even good, no clue. Only that (apparently) there's not many really great DAWs running on it... comparably speaking.

I assume at the very least it's own plugs will run on it which (for some) may be all they need, dunno.

And yeah, I didn't know XT had a native Linux version. Very cool.

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fladd - Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:17 pm

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Renoise?

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engine - Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:19 pm

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tracker, still. not the classic DAW.

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KTlin - Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:23 pm

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OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY

This BITWIG thing looks so much like the DAW i was dreaming about for years (many years).

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S.HUSH - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:08 pm

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Jesus f**king christ man...seriously. Live has been around since early 2000.

This looks like a live clone and nothing more. If it was 10 bucks i may consider buying it with my friend's credit card. Unless Live 9 comes around next week.

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Aloysius - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:31 pm

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But wait ... maybe it is Live 9.

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KTlin - Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:58 pm

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Nothing more? Jesus f**king christ man...seriously?

Now be a good boy and take another look at their website.

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S.HUSH - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:12 pm

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Don't need to. I use Live. Keep dreaming you bad boy you

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lotus2035 - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:25 pm

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How dare they make a host that looks like a host! It's a f**king outrage!

Personally I'm delighted to see a new kid on the block. It look like the boys at bitwig have been influenced by Cubase and Reaper too, not just Ableton. More power to them. I'm looking forward to trying it out and I hope the price is reasonable.

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careyletendre - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:27 pm

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Troll

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FarleyCZ - Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:31 pm

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How do you all know that so sure? They announced it somehow? As I remember, this "Live 9 will come" situation was absolutely the same last year, year before ... ... On forum, they just release new 8.2 betas again and again. Didin't see any kind of Live 9 being even planed. (Please don't tell me I've been trolled. )


Hehe, yep. Lot's of people think so. But I think they wouldn't rename "Drum rack" to "Drum Machine" It'd be too lame. I still think Ableton is still digging in Live 8 and this is just sideproduct of devs that left them.

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FaX - Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:59 pm

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Ok Bitwig you officially have my attention

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S.HUSH - Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:38 pm

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No you havent been trolled. You just have to read my post correctly. But i do have a friend who is an "insider" and he mentioned Live 9 will be the biggest release Ableton has ever done. Supposedly, and this is just rumor, it will feature a built in TR 909 and TB 303. Im crossing my fingers!

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FarleyCZ - Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:17 pm

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Waaaaaaait a moment. TR909? There are some drum machines in BitWig... Hmmm. How old is this intel, If I shall ask? Now it kind of seems like BitWig = Live 9...

Also do some of you know how to check if Ableton has a booth on NAMM? I heard it's possible to do on the site, but couldn't find it.

EDIT: Found it. Nnnnope, no sign of Ableton on NAMM. Now question is why. They could be:
- Fooling us with BitWig.
- Having Live 9 not ready anouncing it in few months later.
- Having still pretty buggy Live 8 and being (again) completely quiet about any Live 9 chances...

Hmmmm. What sounds more likely...

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glokraw - Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:55 pm

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9 out of 10 linux newbies are crushed like bugs by ubuntu, and drop out of
society altogether, raising turnips and kale in remote communes.
And STILL there are enough disillusioned windows zombies leaving Redmond, to fill
the tester ranks of the next dozen linux versions
I'ts almost sunrise

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erickUO - Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:05 am

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Can't wait

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punkrockdude - Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:47 am

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// Mod, delete this post, please.
// I posted before I read. Regards.

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chokehold - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:06 am

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No AU on Mac?


So every plugin instance is loaded into a wrapper? How does this affect performance?

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luckystrike - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:16 am

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I want to see how shrewd Ableton's layers are. 14 milion Euro earning company vs. small nerd copycat venture. I'm gonna bet on the former.

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gpunk - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:31 am

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Ableton wouldn't have a leg to stand on unless these guys used Ableton owned tech (Why the f**k would they use any ? )
These Ableton posts are getting very very silly now, can we just let these guys get on with what they are doing please

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spaceman - Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:56 am

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I don't understand why they found it necessary to copy Ableton Live?
It's a bit sad really. They're obviously talented developers, so why not come up with some interface designs of your own?

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Josmoker - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:09 am

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Since Claes is on involved in this I will definitely need to check it out even though I never found any DAW that could drag me away from Cubase.
I'd still hope for further development of Surge and Shortcircuit, though.

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spaceman - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:16 am

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They should step away from the Ableton Live paradigm and get Urs involved

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gpunk - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:42 am

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Gotta admit to being a little lost here to be honest
So it uses clips triggerable into the arrange, is that what makes it a copy of Live ? (Like Sonars matrix or FLS new performance mode, are they trying to be live too ? )

Or is it the UI look itself because to me it looks as much like Live as it does Renoise or XT.

Or is it just that some of the guys coding it are ex Ableton and the Ableton users here are pissed ?

Please enlighten me.

I will say these guys have zero originality so far, i mean even the name itself Bitwig studio hehehe erm oh wait Ohm Studio and so on and so forth, but it is all about implementation in these cases, if this is coded well and integrated well, then it is worth a look.

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audiobot202 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:09 am

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I believe that some of them were involved with Ableton, hence the similarity, I would assume. Unless Ableton have legally protected the workflow of their host or the style of knob, then I don't think there will be a problem.

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luckystrike - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:50 am

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Nobody would say it plagiarism if it didn't have perfect cloning of only one daw. Studio one developers didn't copy only one daw's essential of behavior or design of the UI but built their original UI and software behavior from the ground. It is a task that require ideas to mix things to one peice of working software w/o flaw. OTOH how about the BW. From particular daw they perfectly copied the UI design, UI structure, Instruments UI, Effects UI, and also how that interface behave when they work. No ideas required. Just required coding to copy existing software. It can't be fail in fundamental concept because the original of the concept is working w/o flaw in existing product.

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gpunk - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:48 am

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So you are already beta testing then, didn't realise the testing had started yet

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luckystrike - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:52 am

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So you don't have Live then, you don't know what the UI is doing and for in their pic

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gpunk - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:56 am

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Oh so you are just trolling for the sake of it, sorry for a second there i thought you knew what you where talking about

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FarleyCZ - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:11 am

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I think it's obvious. They copied Live, becouse nothing like Live 9 was happening. Would love to be wrong, love the rumors, but just don't believe it after all that years.

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luckystrike - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:23 am

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You are immoral enough to admire nerd copycat for the perfect copying of one products. Do they pay well for calling people who has some common sense in KVR troll?

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gpunk - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:29 am

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You are calling me names for saying let them actually release this before jumping to conclusions, well done hehe

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Mushy Mushy - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:30 am

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I agree with this guy.
I'm going nowhere near Bitwig on principle.

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paradiddle - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:43 am

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Whahaha! I'm guessing you got a few ones with that one.

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TheoM - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:55 am

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hey, i don't mean to start anything, but some of us here are still religious and actually get ill when we read that awful saying (edited so i won't quote it)... whether religious or not, is it cool for you to not say that out of respect?
p.s i think it might be against forum rules anyway, have to check that

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Meffy - Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:59 am

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If the rancor doesn't stop and the thread return to civil discussion of the software, threads will be locked and maybe warnings given. That goes for both of the threads that have been derailed by "u troll" "NO U TROLL" nonsense.

And Theo's right -- there's no need for pointless obscenities; they only make the one posting them look bad.

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audiobot202 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:55 am

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If you'd care to listen, I believe that a number of Bitwig's coders were once involved with Ableton. That quite roundly explains the similarities.

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xamido - Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:01 am

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Don't care if it looks like live. If it's 64 bit and less buggy than live, then i'm in.

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kev2525 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:48 am

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This looks insanely good. I'm very interested.

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9headshydra - Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:56 am

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there is a patent troll on Ableton Live GUI ?



Who want to own intellectual properties on square and triangle shape ?



common peoples it's all good, we call that competition and customers will benefit of all that.

always remember the only way to protect your intellectual properties is to keep your ideas inside your own mind,

but if you want to share them be prepared to that. be perpared to other people that will copy / enhance your own system without giving you any money.

common take a look at pop music it's only about cloning the same song since 60 years

and In this case it seems they are the formers ableton dev so no issues here

and as someone said , if it's stable, ergonomic and cheap it's all good for us.

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Badge - Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:18 am

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Does anyone know if it includes a notation editor?

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Branis - Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:45 am

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That would be Apple

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Bronto Scorpio - Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:51 am

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kx.001 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:16 am

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I was thinking of saying that, but these threads have already got a bit tetchy..

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Ja.x - Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:04 am

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Bitwig seems to be an interesting product, and that's just it for now.


Live clone? OK, let's discuss this relevant topic, guys. I'm in .

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audiobot202 - Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:59 pm

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I hope it assumes a different name once released.

"What host do you use?"
"I use Bitwig Studio"
"Bit of Wig what?"

Sounds bit naff to me...

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Z3R0T0N1N - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:25 pm

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yeah, but on the other hand, I use Ubuntu Studio as an OS... so I'll be using Bitwig on Ubuntu... sheesh, it sounds almost dirty

Don't care though, they could call it Dicksplash Modular and I'd still use it, I think - this looks like the host I dreamed that EnergyXT1 was turning into. Any fans of XT1.4 live mode here? You will know what I mean. Fully modular, live composition and performance mode, + pattern / linear hybrid timeline sure hope I can beta this beast!

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paterpeter - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:29 pm

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No way. Dicksplash.com is already taken. I just checked it.
























No really. I did. I'm a sad person...

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Aloysius - Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:39 pm

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"I use Bi-twig Stud-i-o"

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LawrenceF - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:02 pm

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Are we gonna do this again next year like we did with ______?

"Bitwig Studio Two"?

A.K.A. "BS2"

Maybe they didn't think that fully through...

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Uedi - Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:09 pm

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dream features:
cute piano roll
beautiful automation curves, not just straight lines.
envelope shaper like Cubase.
bitcrusher like Logic



beat-swag

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gckilla - Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:49 am

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I just want to know if I should upgrade my live intro to full, or wait to see what price point bitwig studio comes in.

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xx JPRacer xx - Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:00 am

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At least wait until next week for NAMM.

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audiobot202 - Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:36 am

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BitShag Studio looks the Pants...

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risome - Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:43 am

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gpunk - Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:45 am

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100%

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LawrenceF - Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:34 am

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Somebody mentioned Energy XT above and I have to give the dev due credit ... the "Drum Track" step edit thing there for drum patterns is pretty damn clever.

One of the most logical ideas I've seen lately. It's pretty ripe for "ripping" from "the big boys".

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osiris - Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:43 am

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And I remember when Studio One was Kristal Audio Engine and it was free.....

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synthgeek - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:08 am

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It still is.

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osiris - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:32 am

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yeah, if you can get by with 16 audio tracks....
sometimes less is more.

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zerocrossing - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:38 am

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At the very least it may light a fire under the butts of the people at Ableton to add some much needed features. I can't for the life of me figure out why, after all these years, they never implemented a UI that would work across two monitors. So... if Live 9 does... will it be a rip-off of Bitwig? I also much prefer the UI look of Bitwig than Live's "flat" approach. Call me crazy, but we all grow up learning that buttons are things that pop out a little from the chassis and are to be pushed. When quickly scanning a UI it helps to have visual cues as to what's just information and what's interface, which Ableton doesn't do very well at all, IMO. Though, I do like Live's workflow a lot. Always have.

But yeah, it looks a LOT like "Live 9." Like someone asked me, "What would you change or add to Live" and then they just did it. So that's exciting to me. But it's no different than when Toyota looked at the Insight and said, "Hey, that's a good idea, let's make one that's better." Even funnier when Honda responded by making their Insight look almost exactly like a Prius. (man I wish they make a Natural Gas Insight or CR-Z, but I digress) ...and so goes the innovation cycle in a competitive business. It's how things become better. Also, if it works out that I love all of the things and innovations in Bitwig I don't have to learn a totally new paradigm of working.

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aMUSEd - Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:41 am

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From the screenshots am I right in thinking that, unlike Live, the clips in the session view (or whatever they call their version) seem to be just samples? At least I can't see any that contain virtual instruments. More like in Project 5 than Live if that's the case.

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spaceman - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:26 am

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Some seem to have midi in them.
So exactly like Live.

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aMUSEd - Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:29 am

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Good - I couldn't see any. I hope then it does have the capability of recording VST automation with the midi - something that Live doesn't have and can't seem to provide due to some obscure architectural issue which the major limitation for me.

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Bonteburg - Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:08 am

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that's at least 4 more than I've ever used in a track in 10 years....

(admittedly. I'm not much of a recording person).

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trackzone - Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:23 pm

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hey, burikusu!!! sounds great. listening to year 2080 currently. probably you wanted to say bitwig was backtransformed from year 2080 to year 2012?

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