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toitoi - Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:31 am
Arturia new hardware synth for 499 Euro
MiniBrute
Key features:
Voltage controlled oscillator
25 key keyboard with aftertouch
Steiner-Parker multi-mode filter
Innovative analog Ultrasaw , Metalizer , Brute Factor technology
Difficulty of use of the controller, 14 faders and 29 knobs
Rich interface, CV , Gate , USB , MIDI
Advanced arpeggiator
Rugged metal housing
SLiC - Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:36 am
If it sounds half as good as it looks it will be amazing!
2012 is shaping up to be 'THE' gearlust year!
musikmachine - Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:48 am
aMUSEd - Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:54 am
I'd rather have it as a sound module with no keys - maybe they will do 2 versions - can't see much point in 25 keys myself
himalaya - Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:01 am
That came out of the blue! Very interesting. My CC is ready. But, there is no info about this anywhere so far, except this thread? Is this a new NAMM announcement?
The (brief) specification state one oscillator, is that right? Which would be a shame. Is there hard sync available?
penguinfromdeep - Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:05 am
Looks good! I like that there's loadsa new analog stuff coming out .. Hw ruuuls
toitoi - Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:06 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvgkAYw-AA&feature=player_embedded
Dogboy73 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:19 am
SLiC wrote:
If it sounds half as good as it looks it will be amazing!
I don't think it looks very good at all. Looks more like a 2 octave MIDI controller than a synth. I don't like the way any Arturia hardware looks for some reason. Just doesn't float my boat. Interested to hear/see more of it though. NAMM 2012 presumably?
himalaya - Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:22 am
So far it looks like the knobs are spaced a bit too close. Might be a tight squeeze trying to quickly grab a knob. But I love the sliders. Much prefer those for envelopes than knobs.
SLiC - Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:37 am
Dogboy73 wrote:
SLiC wrote:
If it sounds half as good as it looks it will be amazing!
I don't think it looks very good at all. Looks more like a 2 octave MIDI controller than a synth. I don't like the way any Arturia hardware looks for some reason. Just doesn't float my boat. Interested to hear/see more of it though. NAMM 2012 presumably?
I'm sure it will devide opinion- good for Arturia for doing something that looks different! I think it looks retro- Moog Rogue or CAT, I suspect (if it is 1 Osc) that it may be designed for dirty, rasping bass lines? No Bass Synth for ages then 2 at once? (Moog doesnt have a keyboard).
JoeCat - Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:21 am
SLiC wrote:
... I think it looks retro- Moog Rogue or CAT, I suspect (if it is 1 Osc) that it may be designed for dirty, rasping bass lines? No Bass Synth for ages then 2 at once? (Moog doesnt have a keyboard).
Holy Crap - someone mentioned CAT! Been wondering about that. Used to work with one of their engineers (before that, he was a roady/coffee-getter/lifter-of-stuff for Bob Moog.
The CAT's were like Odesseys that had Moog knobs and Arp sliders that didn't bust off. I think they were even sued by Arp. Fatter, grittier sound if I'm not mistaken.
(sorry to hijack).
Arturia - maybe they'll do a keyboardless version a-la Mopho, Blofeld, etc. But does look interesting...
SLiC - Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:31 am
JoeCat wrote:
SLiC wrote:
... I think it looks retro- Moog Rogue or CAT, I suspect (if it is 1 Osc) that it may be designed for dirty, rasping bass lines? No Bass Synth for ages then 2 at once? (Moog doesnt have a keyboard).
Holy Crap - someone mentioned CAT! Been wondering about that. Used to work with one of their engineers (before that, he was a roady/coffee-getter/lifter-of-stuff for Bob Moog.
The CAT's were like Odesseys that had Moog knobs and Arp sliders that didn't bust off. I think they were even sued by Arp. Fatter, grittier sound if I'm not mistaken.
(sorry to hijack).
Arturia - maybe they'll do a keyboardless version a-la Mopho, Blofeld, etc. But does look interesting...
Closest I was thinking it was like- 'The Kitten' (the ssmall CAT)
http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/octavekit.php
chk071 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:34 am
penguinfromdeep wrote:
Looks good! I like that there's loadsa new analog stuff coming out .. Hw ruuuls
It's certain that it will be analogue?
JoeCat - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:01 am
SLiC wrote:
Closest I was thinking it was like- 'The Kitten' (the ssmall CAT)
(Forgot about that one. Maybe CAT will re-group, make a bigger synth, and call it The Cougar.)
chk071 wrote:
It's certain that it will be analogue?
Specs say VCO, which implies it (if that's the case I'd imagine the filter would be).
Is it intended to be a bass synth specifically? Or are we guessing?
Bronto Scorpio - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:08 am
Wow! The design is beyond horrible imo (judging from the small picture)! But a Steiner-Parker filter?
That's really cool!
A version without the keys would be really nice! And the name MINIbrute implies that a bigger version may be planned.
Cheers
Dennis
musikmachine - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:17 am
Who said hardware was dying out?
Is Arturia the first softsynth company to crossover then? justin3am - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:22 am
toitoi wrote:
Steiner-Parker multi-mode filter
I wonder if the it crackles and pops when you turn the resonance knob, like other clones of this filter do.
toitoi - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:41 am
looks like it has 3 OSC (Pulse+UltraSaw+Triangle) + SubOsc (Pulse+Sine) + Noise?
Hope it sounds better than it looks.
ghettosynth - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:52 am
justin3am wrote:
toitoi wrote:
Steiner-Parker multi-mode filter
I wonder if the it crackles and pops when you turn the resonance knob, like other clones of this filter do.
FYI so does the original.
justin3am - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:56 am
ghettosynth wrote:
justin3am wrote:
toitoi wrote:
Steiner-Parker multi-mode filter
I wonder if the it crackles and pops when you turn the resonance knob, like other clones of this filter do.
FYI so does the original.
I figured... I haven't used the original so I wasn't sure. I've had a Livewire Frequensteiner and I built one from a CGS board with some modifications that were supposed to mitigate the crackling... but it still had that annoying sound when I turned the resonance pot.
chk071 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:58 am
JoeCat wrote:
chk071 wrote:
It's certain that it will be analogue?
Specs say VCO, which implies it (if that's the case I'd imagine the filter would be).
Right, i guess you wouldn't be able to dare to bring out a VA with one oscillator for that price anyway.
I think it's the right decision from Arturia after all their emulations. paladium - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:08 am
toitoi wrote:
looks like it has 3 OSC (Pulse+UltraSaw+Triangle) + SubOsc (Pulse+Sine) + Noise?
Hope it sounds better than it looks.
Hope it sounds better than it looks.
probably just one vco (maybe curtis ) that draws 3 waveshapes from a single
voice like a roland 101 had
paladium - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:20 am
[/quote]
Right, i guess you wouldn't be able to dare to bring out a VA with one oscillator for that price anyway.
I think it's the right decision from Arturia after all their emulations.[/quote]
it also says that whatever software companies claimed about being able to emulate it that they somehow failed (and by releasing vco based stuff themselves sort of admitted they failed) to get the tone of a real filter although
i must say that the only company nowadays that does hardware the full discrete way and sounds right is synthesizers.com , macbeth
SonicDimension - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:51 am
(from the teaser video). I assume these images are from the vst editor that will come with the hardware?
SLiC - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:52 am
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/689607-new-arturia-namm-teaser.html
Full 7 minute video posted over at gearslutz! Scroll down 2nd Video
This is he official product launch video!!!!!!
Looks like the real deal, full analog, powerful....amazing at 499E retail
toitoi - Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:58 am
i made a mockup from the video to
toitoi - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:17 am
SLiC wrote:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/689607-new-arturia-namm-teaser.html
Full 7 minute video posted over at gearslutz
Looks like the real deal, full analog, powerful....amazing at 499E retail
Full 7 minute video posted over at gearslutz
Looks like the real deal, full analog, powerful....amazing at 499E retail
Well, it's a WIN! The only thing that worries me, how solid it is. The first leak I found was from some Chinese site (http://www.bretown.com/news/asdfasdfsadfasdf.html), suppose it is built there, the knobs look very weak.
MitchK1989 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:18 am
paladium wrote:
i must say that the only company nowadays that does hardware the full discrete way and sounds right is synthesizers.com , macbeth
Oh please, to suggest a thru-hole resistor somehow 'resists differently' than an SMT resistor is to deny the very fabric of reality itself.
I've had macbeth gear (dual osc and backend filter/vca/envelope combo) and lots of other analog modular gear in my modular (simultaneously no less) and I found the macbeth wasn't worth the space/price (and that I am not a huge fan of 'vintage moog tone', having mostly been raised on music featuring vintage rolands and korgs) - replaced it with a ton of equally quality modules from intellijel (another brilliant manufacturer of modern analog hardware), which sit perfectly alongside modules from malekko/wiard, makenoise, and doepfer (the a-196 PLL is one of my favourite modules despite being the only module cheaper than passive attenuators I own)
xamido - Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:49 am
OFFICIAL!! It's analog!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7O946lG7Ik&feature=player_embedded
aMUSEd - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:05 pm
Never heard of a Steiner-Parker filter
SLiC - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:09 pm
Looks like the video has been taken Down.
Here are the key points if you didn't get to see it (copied from gearslutz post)
100% analog
All analog signal path (VCO-VCF-VCA)
1 VCO: saw, square, tri, noise
Sub osc (sine or square, 1 or 2 octaves below)
Ultrasaw (detune)
PWM (LFO or ENV)
Metalizer waveshaper (sounds like sync sweep)
External audio input
Multi-mode filter (LP, HP, BP, notch)
2 four stage EGs with fast and slow modes
2 LFOs
"Brute Factor" for folding audio back into filter
Arpeggiator with tap tempo, hold, SWING!
25 key keyboard with velocity and aftertouch
CV gate in and out, MIDI & USB
SonicDimension - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:10 pm
http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/synthacon.php
Dogboy73 - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:16 pm
xamido wrote:
That video seems to have been pulled!
SonicDimension - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0YyBp8ZyeE
The Synthacon (with Steiner-Parker filter) in action. Sounds pretty evil.
SonicDimension - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:36 pm
http://www.novamusik.com/search.aspx?type=Search&mid=0&keyword=arturia+minibrute
MSRP: 549.00 USD
Novamusik price: 499.00 USD
This just keeps getting more and more interesting. Can't wait to hear more sound demos after the reveal!
SonicDimension - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:50 pm
Someone in the parallel Gearslutz thread posted a German preview that has a nice arpeggio sound demo:
http://www.amazona.de/index.php?page=26&file=2&article_id=3824
aMUSEd - Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:52 pm
Damn this is looking more and more interesting, which makes me wish even more for a smaller version without the keyboard which I don't need.
randyandyvandaman - Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:37 pm
analogue isnt dead. It just never left us.
Quite a few people here on KVR would like to think otherwise.
Cheers
toitoi - Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:36 pm
MiniBrute catalog page http://yves-usson.fr/MINIBRUTE/MiniBrute-catalogue.pdf
Shy - Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:05 pm
Finally Arturia decided to do something useful and manufacture a unique synth by Yves Usson. I wouldn't buy it, I'd prefer more oscillators, sync, ring modulation, etc., but it sounds fine.
ens - Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:40 pm
F^&*( YES!!! This thing looks so good, and has such a nice snap to it. I'm in the market for a new mono synth after having to sell my little phatty. This thing looks and sounds much nicer with what seems to have a much broader range of tones imfo.
Mr Arkadin - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:20 am
Shy wrote:
I wouldn't buy it, I'd prefer more oscillators, sync, ring modulation, etc.
Maybe this is more up your street.
http://waldorfmusic.de/en/pulse-2-overview.html
Minibrute, Minitaur, Pulse2... were being spoiled with analogues this year. I need more money. Now.
Dogboy73 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:24 am
Mr Arkadin wrote:
Shy wrote:
I wouldn't buy it, I'd prefer more oscillators, sync, ring modulation, etc.
Maybe this is more up your street.
http://waldorfmusic.de/en/pulse-2-overview.html
Minibrute, Minitaur, Pulse2... were being spoiled with analogues this year. I need more money. Now.
Oh boy!!
We really are being spoiled this year! I thought the World was going to end in 2012? Our World is just getting brighter & brighter 
So much GAS right now I should come with a hazard warning!! randyandyvandaman - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:29 am
Definitely up my alley.
How much?
YEs we are definitely seeing a resurgence of analogue.
I hope the big three are listening/ watching.
This can only be good .
Cheers
musikmachine - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:32 am
Dogboy73 wrote:
Mr Arkadin wrote:
Shy wrote:
I wouldn't buy it, I'd prefer more oscillators, sync, ring modulation, etc.
Maybe this is more up your street.
http://waldorfmusic.de/en/pulse-2-overview.html
Minibrute, Minitaur, Pulse2... were being spoiled with analogues this year. I need more money. Now.
Oh boy!!
We really are being spoiled this year! I thought the World was going to end in 2012? Our World is just getting brighter & brighter So much GAS right now I should come with a hazard warning!! Luftrum - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:38 am
This is the kind of stuff I want to see announced. They hit the spot with a) an affordable price and b) an analog signal path. Design looking sweet too, but no save preset option? How am I to make a soundbank for it then?
Will be hard to resist the GAS nevertheless.
musikmachine - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:45 am
Luftrum wrote:
This is the kind of stuff I want to see announced. They hit the spot with a) an affordable price and b) an analog signal path. Design looking sweet too, but no save preset option? How am I to make a soundbank for it then?
Will be hard to resist the GAS nevertheless.
Will be hard to resist the GAS nevertheless.
With templates.
Luftrum - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:48 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af9bFTqpRzU
SLiC - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:48 am
Luftrum wrote:
This is the kind of stuff I want to see announced. They hit the spot with a) an affordable price and b) an analog signal path. Design looking sweet too, but no save preset option? How am I to make a soundbank for it then?
Will be hard to resist the GAS nevertheless.
Will be hard to resist the GAS nevertheless.
It 'does' have a USB connextion and the early press showed a 'graphic' representation- prpbably just to throw people off, but whoi knows- presets or even VSTi control! (probably just USB MIDI, but we can hope!)
Ingonator - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:49 am
Another interesting announcement:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=339790
Ingo
tuxtronic - Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:27 am
Specs + videos + sounds:
==> http://www.arturia.com/minibrute
Enjoy.
Dogboy73 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:34 am
tuxtronic wrote:
Wahoo! Thanks for the link. Been waiting for this today. Must have only just gone up as I have been a bastard for Minibrute info since arising this morning. Watching now (going to find a quite corner in work somewhere where I can watch this. Muuuahhhhhh!!!!
) SLiC - Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:39 am
''MiniBrute will also transform the USB and MIDI incoming signals into CV Pitch Out and Gate Out, making it a great converter to control vintage synths from your computer or MIDI interface.''
Nice.
Dogboy73 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:59 am
SLiC wrote:
''MiniBrute will also transform the USB and MIDI incoming signals into CV Pitch Out and Gate Out, making it a great converter to control vintage synths from your computer or MIDI interface.''
Nice.
Nice.
Very nice. Suddenly the SEM patch panel version (cheaper than the Pro, more fun than the MIDI) is back on the menu
I suppose I could have bought it anyway & a Kenton Solo as well. But why waste good money on a MIDI to CV converter when you can put it towards another synth? sonicpowa - Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:07 am
aMUSEd wrote:
I'd rather have it as a sound module with no keys - maybe they will do 2 versions - can't see much point in 25 keys myself
Yep, sound module please and low price. toitoi - Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:13 am
a funny one from gs forum:
http://www.dv247.com/news/Arturia%20Announces%20the%20Minibrute%20at%20NAMM%202012/133053
tuxtronic - Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:23 am
aMUSEd wrote:
I'd rather have it as a sound module with no keys - maybe they will do 2 versions - can't see much point in 25 keys myself
Note that the keyboard itself is of course MIDI polyphonic, has aftertouch, octave selector and wheels, and sends info though USB, MIDI and CV/Gate ==> can be useful to control other stuff as well.
Bronto Scorpio - Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:26 am
Wait a second! Am I still asleep or did I just read Pulse2?
The last few NAMMs were beyond boring but it looks like there are some really cool things which head in the right direction this time!
Cheers
Dennis
chk071 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:28 am
I'm actually surprised how Arturia like this thing sounds. No joke.
Lotuzia - Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:43 am
SLiC wrote:
''MiniBrute will also transform the USB and MIDI incoming signals into CV Pitch Out and Gate Out, making it a great converter to control vintage synths from your computer or MIDI interface.''
Nice.
Nice.
Awsome !
v1o - Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:12 am
I like that this is cheaper than the Pulse 2.
toitoi - Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:28 am
look at this! found on arturia site
and a patch sheet:
tuxtronic - Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:45 am
[quote="toitoi"]look at this! found on arturia site
Ahem, this is not the definitive version... just a development shot... basic functions are here but the GUI is... well... still under heavy work!
toitoi - Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:03 am
tuxtronic wrote:
Ahem, this is not the definitive version... just a development shot... basic functions are here but the GUI is... well... still under heavy work!
Arturia is awesome! Funny, how a software company has beaten them all (Korg Yamaha Roland DSI waldorf).
Shy - Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:14 am
No, it's funny how a software/DSP company that's been making shitty "emulations" and "virtual analog" synths for so long has finally realized that producing a fine analog synth by Yves Usson (yusynth) would be good for them. If they were any good at "emulating analog" they wouldn't have had any reason to do this instead of another digital "emulation" that sounds like ass.
EvilDragon - Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:20 am
I don't think Arturia has beaten anyone here, really.
himalaya - Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:42 am
toitoi wrote:
Funny, how a software company has beaten them all (Korg Yamaha Roland DSI waldorf).
I'd give that accolade to MFB with their Dominion X. A fully specified monster of a synth with memories, for a great price.
Sendy - Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:16 am
Not 100% convinced on the sound, will have to listen on proper speakers... I definitely am excited to see some oscillator shaping beyond the usual PWM. What with the supersaw spread and the waveshaped triangle oscillator (along with multimode filter), this might be a bit like a cut down but analog version of the JP-8000.
SonicDimension - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:16 pm
It's definitely a very versatile piece of hardware, and an unbelievable value for the price. Arturia has developed a real winner here.
Its features seem ideally suited to edgy, raw sounds (ultrasaw, metalizer, steiner-parker filter, brute factor, etc.), but I was hoping for something more like the SH-101 soundwise. The minibrute has several obvious similarities to the 101 design, but it lacks the 'juicy' filter character that I love and the overall organic tonality I hear in the SH synths.
Hopefully the minibrute will be outrageously popular and Roland will take the hint...
himalaya - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:43 pm
SonicDimension wrote:
but it lacks the 'juicy' filter character
Have you played one yet?
SonicDimension - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:03 pm
himalaya wrote:
SonicDimension wrote:
but it lacks the 'juicy' filter character
Have you played one yet?
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minibrute/details.html
dozens of sound examples there. Also, you can find other sound examples around the web of the Steiner-Parker filter and its clones. It's a really rude sounding filter imo.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. It's just not what I prefer.
Ingonator - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:25 pm
The funny thing is that the synth includes no memory locations but Arturia promotes the use of their patch sheets as if it's a new invention.
A modern synth without preset memory is a no-go IMO, except if it's a modular synth.
This is one feature where the upcoming Waldorf Pulse 2 with it's 500 memory locations is ahead and i guess that's not the only one (e.g. the Pulse 2 got a multimode filter too which is not a copy from another company...).
Ingo
zerocrossing - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:27 pm
SonicDimension wrote:
himalaya wrote:
SonicDimension wrote:
but it lacks the 'juicy' filter character
Have you played one yet?
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minibrute/details.html
dozens of sound examples there. Also, you can find other sound examples around the web of the Steiner-Parker filter and its clones. It's a really rude sounding filter imo.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. It's just not what I prefer.
I'm happy it's yet another analog instrument available, but I've not heard one audio example that makes me think my Moog Phatty is going anywhere... or even my MoPho, which both have a "rudeness" I like.
himalaya - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:30 pm
It's not just the new Pulse 2 which is "ahead" with patch memories, but the new MFB Dimension X, which as I have been saying previously, is probably the best buy at the moment. The simple reason is, it has the right user interface and specification. What remains to be proven though, is the sound. Some of the initial demos posted at GS are very promising.
edit:typo
Ingonator - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:42 pm
zerocrossing wrote:
I'm happy it's yet another analog instrument available, but I've not heard one audio example that makes me think my Moog Phatty is going anywhere... or even my MoPho, which both have a "rudeness" I like.
I got a Slim Phatty too which i really love. Hopefully i'll be at this years Musikmesse to test the new synths.
Ingo
Sequent - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:24 pm
The Dominion X looks pretty interesting, thanks for pointing it out. The Pulse 2 is also looking good. I like the new desktop design. The matrix editing that somebody else pointed out is pretty much like the Pulse 1 (which I have). It's actually a really quick and easy system to get around on.
It's great that we're starting to see more and relatively inexpensive analog (analogue) gear and not just the bigger and more expensive super boutique items.
himalaya wrote:
It's not just the new Pulse 2 which is "ahead" with patch memories, but the new MFB Dimension X, which as I have been saying previously, is probably the best buy at the moment. The simple reason is, it has the right user interface and specification. What remains to be proven though, is the sound. Some of the initial demos posted at GS are very promising.
edit:typo
edit:typo
Dogboy73 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:49 pm
SonicDimension wrote:
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/minibrute/details.html
dozens of sound examples there. Also, you can find other sound examples around the web of the Steiner-Parker filter and its clones. It's a really rude sounding filter imo.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. It's just not what I prefer.
dozens of sound examples there. Also, you can find other sound examples around the web of the Steiner-Parker filter and its clones. It's a really rude sounding filter imo.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. It's just not what I prefer.
I'm not hearing rude. Some of the demos on that page have a really nice creaminess to them. But generally it seems to have a nice tonal range from those sounds. It can be rude if you want that. But I think that filter is capable of some really nice stuff.
Incidently wasn't that the filter type that was originally going to be in the MFB Dominion X?
Albert.VST - Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:26 pm
Shy wrote:
No, it's funny how a software/DSP company that's been making shitty "emulations" and "virtual analog" synths for so long has finally realized that producing a fine analog synth by Yves Usson (yusynth) would be good for them. If they were any good at "emulating analog" they wouldn't have had any reason to do this instead of another digital "emulation" that sounds like ass.
Wait what happens when a sw company that's more praised over here (Uhe, Xils etc., are you there
) gets into this stuff.... chk071 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:33 pm
Shy wrote:
No, it's funny how a software/DSP company that's been making shitty "emulations" and "virtual analog" synths for so long has finally realized that producing a fine analog synth by Yves Usson (yusynth) would be good for them. If they were any good at "emulating analog" they wouldn't have had any reason to do this instead of another digital "emulation" that sounds like ass.
Tbh, if it wasn't for the filter resonance, i would hardly have heard a difference between their "shitty" emulations and the Minibrute, but well.... i guess that's a pretty unpopular opinion.
v1o - Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:18 pm
himalaya wrote:
It's not just the new Pulse 2 which is "ahead" with patch memories, but the new MFB Dimension X, which as I have been saying previously, is probably the best buy at the moment. The simple reason is, it has the right user interface and specification. What remains to be proven though, is the sound. Some of the initial demos posted at GS are very promising.
edit:typo
edit:typo
At 780 euro The MFB Dimension X much more pricey than the Minibrute and doesn't come with a keyboard. And to be honest I've never been totally convinced with the "MFB family sound", their stuff sounds lo-fi compared to creamier more refined sounding stuff from Vermona for example.
toitoi - Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2sfz8KFuiY
Ingonator - Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:08 am
It's still hard to believe that the MinBrute got no patch memory and comes with a bunch of patch sheets instead.
So if i would do sound design for the MiniBrute i would have to send a PDF file with patch sheets to the customers?
Like i already mentioned the part about the patch sheets at the Arturia website almost sounds like this is a great new invention.
When i got my Moog Slim Phatty i thought "OK, it only got 100 patch memories but it should be enough" and now the upcoming Pulse 2 will have 500 locations. IMO for a modern synth 64 memory loctions should be the minimum except it's a modular system.
Besides this the "Ultrasaw" as described on the Arturia site is like 3 detuned Saws which could be done with any 3OSC synth (e.g. Pulse 2). The "Metallizer" sounds like a RingMod (included in Pulse 2) to me and the "Brute factor" like an Overdrive/distortion. The Pulse 2 will have a Drive with different curves which should be comparable.
Based on the design of the oscillator section it will be not possible to create e.g. two detuned Squares or Triangles or two different Pulses. Additional features like Sync and FM/Crossmod seem to be missing too.
Ingo
Dogboy73 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:44 am
Ingonator wrote:
It's still hard to believe that the MinBrute got no patch memory and comes with a bunch of patch sheets instead.
With this type of synth I think it's better not to have patch memory. I don't think it's just about maintaining that 'vintage' aesthetic. I've spent more time on my Neptune 2 than any other synth I have. I put that partly down to it's lack of presets. It forces you to get down and dirty with the thing. Before you know it your dialing in sounds that you want extremely quickly because you've gotten to know the thing inside out. Patches are for pussies! I don't think you really need them on an analogue mono synth.
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Besides this the "Ultrasaw" as described on the Arturia site is like 3 detuned Saws which could be done with any 3OSC synth (e.g. Pulse 2). The "Metallizer" sounds like a RingMod (included in Pulse 2) to me and the "Brute factor" like an Overdrive/distortion.
I think your exactly right there. Arturia appear to have named these features with a more literal description
But I think they are essentially doing what you have suggested. For example the 'Brute Factor' is clearly an overdrive/distortion from the description on the demo vids (i.e. some of the output is fed back into the input). Fr@nk - Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:07 am
Ingonator wrote:
It's still hard to believe that the MinBrute got no patch memory and comes with a bunch of patch sheets instead.
On a synth like that you don't need patch memory. And you don't need an external sounddesigner too.
Ingonator wrote:
Besides this the "Ultrasaw" as described on the Arturia site is like 3 detuned Saws which could be done with any 3OSC synth (e.g. Pulse 2).
Of course you can create something like Ultrasaw with three VCOs, the trick here is to do it with just one VCO. And on top of that, the same VCO creates a nice square wave with PWM at the same time and in addition to that, the same VCO creates a triangle too ... and don't forget the sub and white noise. I am sure you will admit that this is a pretty clever design, don't you?
Ingonator wrote:
The "Metallizer" sounds like a RingMod (included in Pulse 2) to me
But it is not a ring mod, it is a wavefolder which creates different tonal sounds than a ring mod.
Ingonator wrote:
and the "Brute factor" like an Overdrive/distortion.
But it is not an distortion, it is a feedback loop which of course gives different tonal results than a regular distortion circuit.
I don't get your point in comparing the Pulse2 with the MiniBrute? Both have a completely different design and I am sure they would make up for a nice pair side by side.
Cheers
Frank
Ingonator - Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:25 am
Fr@nk wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
It's still hard to believe that the MinBrute got no patch memory and comes with a bunch of patch sheets instead.
On a synth like that you don't need patch memory. And you don't need an external sounddesigner too.
Is there an OBVIOUS reason why you don't need a patch memory besides some "esoteric" reasons?
What do you learn by putting a patch sheet on the knobs and dialing the same values in over and over again?
Sorry but i really don't get it. And why are people saying you don't need patch memory on a monophonic synth. Would it make more sense on a polyphonic synth? Why?
I got a Moog Slim Phatty and i'm very happy it got 100 memory locations. I have programmed around 100 (or more) patches on it and i would go crazy if i would have to reprogram patch sheets anytime i want to have a specific patch. With the editor software for the Phatty you could even create a library which is great IMO.
If it's about overview of parameters:
In the Slim Phatty each knob got a LED indicator which shows the saved or current value of the selected parameter and in the editor software you got all parameters at once.
Besides that the synth is still fully analog including the oscillators which need a little warm-up time (and the auto-tune feature sometimes).
Ingo
ZenPunkHippy - Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:34 am
Absolutely agree that patch memory is useful, no matter how easy to use / tweakable the synth is! Seems an odd thing to leave out, but I guess it keeps costs down by reducing design complexity.
Peace,
Andy.
Dogboy73 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:37 am
Ingonator wrote:
Is there an OBVIOUS reason why you don't need a patch memory besides some "esoteric" reasons?
Not really. Traditionally these things didn't have patch memory so it's an obvious throw back to that bygone era.
Fr@nk - Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:44 am
Ingonator wrote:
Is there an OBVIOUS reason why you don't need a patch memory besides some "esoteric" reasons?
Because the layout is so easy to use and there is no hidden function. Everbody who is just a little familiar with analog synthesis will dial in any sound in seconds. On a Phatty (and the Pulse by the way) you have to use the buttons to switches through functions.
But anyway, the obvious reason not to have memory on a MiniBrute is that with the given number of knobs and faders you would never be able to reach this price tag. That is the reason why the Phatty has only 7 knobs (8 on the Pulse2) and a lot of buttons and the MiniBrute has 29 knobs, 8 switches and 14 faders. If you want a beast like the MiniBrute with all it's features and preset memory, than you have to pay much much more than 499,- Euro. In this case I would rather go for the knobs and faders.
Frank
whyterabbyt - Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:47 am
Ingonator wrote:
Is there an OBVIOUS reason why you don't need a patch memory besides some "esoteric" reasons?
The obvious reason isnt about what isn't 'needed'; patch memory requires digital control requires a hybrid design requires higher costs. Its an purely analog signal path, end of story.
himalaya - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:01 am
In a way I like this 'old' school approach as it will teach those reliant on presets or newcomers how to tweak a synth quickly. I think it's all good.
This synth could be great fun, quick to edit with with good results.
HUYANA - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:01 am
Any opinions on whether knobs and faders (or, at least, the bottom knob section which is digital) send CC# values over MIDI and does it allow for polyphonic aftertouch, when used as a controller?
Ingonator - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:06 am
whyterabbyt wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
Is there an OBVIOUS reason why you don't need a patch memory besides some "esoteric" reasons?
The obvious reason isnt about what isn't 'needed'; patch memory requires digital control requires a hybrid design requires higher costs. Its an purely analog signal path, end of story.
So if everything is 100% analog why does it have and USB, why does it get an editor software and why is it possible to do firmware upgrades:
toitoi wrote:
look at this! found on arturia site 
and a patch sheet:
and a patch sheet:
???
Looks as "hybrid" as most analog synths since the Prophet 5...
Ingo
Fr@nk - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:10 am
HUYANA wrote:
Any opinions on whether knobs and faders (or, at least, the bottom knob section which is digital) send CC# values over MIDI and does it allow for polyphonic aftertouch, when used as a controller?
The knobs and faders don't send MIDI CC beause of the reasons discussed above. You can use the MiniBrute as a controller keyboard with velocity and mono aftertouch. The octave switch and pitch and mod wheel are sent too of course.
Frank
himalaya - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:15 am
v1o wrote:
At 780 euro The MFB Dimension X much more pricey than the Minibrute and doesn't come with a keyboard. And to be honest I've never been totally convinced with the "MFB family sound", their stuff sounds lo-fi compared to creamier more refined sounding stuff from Vermona for example.
Yes it more pricey but look at what you are getting for 280 Euro more.
Still, the Minibrute looks like a No Brainer purchase. I hope it is a success for Arturia.
Dogboy73 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:16 am
Ingonator wrote:
So if everything is 100% analog why does it have and USB, why does it get an editor software and why is it possible to do firmware upgrades:
As far as I understand it the signal path is 100% analogue i.e. the bit that makes the sound. Everything else is digital including the arpegiator & LFO.
Fr@nk - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:18 am
Ingonator wrote:
Looks as "hybrid" as most analog synths since the Prophet 5...
No, the signal path is 100% analog. But to connect the synth to your DAW through MIDI or USB you need to have some kind of interface. If you look closely, you will see that all of the functions in the editor have something to do with the keyboard section. This is like having a Doepfer MCV4 interface built in. The LFO can be synced to the arpeggiator which can be synced through MIDI or USB, so the speed of this LFO has to be controllable through a digital circuit. Does make sense, does it?
Cheers
Frank
whyterabbyt - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:20 am
Ingonator wrote:
So if everything is 100% analog
Reread. I said the signal path was analog. Not 'everything'.
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why does it have and USB, why does it get an editor software and why is it possible to do firmware upgrades:
You've never heard of a MIDI-CV convertor?
See anything on that 'editor software' which actually deals with the signal path?
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Looks as "hybrid" as most analog synths since the Prophet 5...
No it doesnt. It looks as 'hybrid' as any pure analog synth with a MIDI-CV interface.
Ingonator - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:25 am
whyterabbyt wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
So if everything is 100% analog
Reread. I said the signal path was analog. Not 'everything'.
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why does it have and USB, why does it get an editor software and why is it possible to do firmware upgrades:
You've never heard of a MIDI-CV convertor?
See anything on that 'editor software' which actually deals with the signal path?
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Looks as "hybrid" as most analog synths since the Prophet 5...
No it doesnt. It looks as 'hybrid' as any pure analog synth with a MIDI-CV interface.
So what is different on a Moog Slim Phatty with patch memory then?
The signal path of the synth engine is still 100% analog (including the VCOs) or am i wrong?
Ingo
Dogboy73 - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:25 am
All makes sense to me ........ but we've heard how all of the Moog Minitaur's parameters are controllable via MIDI CC. So presumably you can send patches from an software editor to the Minitaur. How does this work? Is it just MIDI > CV conversion again? Obviously this wouldn't work on the Minibrute as the knobs/sliders don't send/receive MIDI CV. But if they did (which would no doubt bump the price up somewhat) then presumably you could send 'patches' to it from a software editor? Same with the DSI Tetr4 - 100% analogue signal path, completely controllable from the software editor or a DAW.
whyterabbyt - Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:31 am
edit : fail on my part.