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Jakob / Cableguys - Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:50 am

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EDIT: VolumeShaper 3 is out now!
http://www.cableguys.de/volume-shaper.html


Hey all, a minute ago we've uploaded the VolumeShaper 3 public beta!

In short: "VolumeShaper is a plugin for shaping and automating the levels of any audio signal. From signature pumping effects to extreme gating, from tempo-synced stutter to precise sample-shaping, VolumeShaper provides a wealth of creative musical effects with a visual approach to volume. For Mac and Windows, as VST, AU or RTAS plugin."

Version 3 adds a precise oscilloscope for helpful visual control, plus an option to trigger the LFO via MIDI notes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxuHTLJHdsw

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sonicpowa - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:53 am

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WOW! Great!

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Breeze - Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:46 am

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Very nice! Another very useful plugin from the C-guys. I'm happy to report that it seems to work fine in Nuendo 5.2.2 32-bit. It seems pretty much feature complete. But being me, I've got a couple of observations/requests...

1. I don't like the way "Increase/Decrease waveform amplitude" is implemented:

- I would much prefer seeing these as smooth continuous adjustments (for ex.: CTL + Left Click and Drag) which could also be automated with a single parameter.

- This could be a bug: when a wave is "increased" and crushed into the upper limit it does not recover its original form when the "decrease" is applied (the original points are not remembered). Seems to work the other way.

2. There doesn't seem to be a way to smoothly vary the intensity of the entire wave as referenced to the center neutral position (from "Flat-No Effect=Normal Volume" to "Full-VolumeShaper Effected").

- This would allow more fine tuning.

- As an automatable parameter it would allow a smooth fade in and out of the effect and it could also be used to modulate the repetitive behavior over time (slowly fading the effect in and out without altering the track volume). You could drive it from from MIDIShaper

3. You might want to add a knob for the degree of randomization to limit the degree of variation (smooth to jagged).

Again great stuff! Thanks!

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ominopasticcione - Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:31 am

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Hello,
I downloaded and installed VolumeShaper 3 Beta to try it out. Nice plug-in indeed: no crash, easy to set, great flexibility. Good job!

I found some weird issues though that may need a fix:

- Pressing "invert x-values of all points" often result in waveform changes, with added points and modified curves. "Invert y-values" seems to work fine instead.

- Arrow buttons meant to modify the x-position and amplitude of the waveshape, sometimes result in distorsion of the curve too (no added points in this case)

- Classic analog waveforms are recalled correctly. Despite this, if one of the button is pressed repeatedly, the wave may change to different shapes.

- When an invalid midi source is selected, Error message appears partly out of the screen (downward).


I'm on win7 and Ableton Live 8.2.8, i run the 32-bit VolumeShaper version.

I'll see if I can test it on my Macbook too.

I couldn't test the MIDI triggering.. and I'm actually not sure about what that should do

Hope you can find these info useful

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ominopasticcione - Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:05 am

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Tested also on a Macbook running Snow leopard (Mac OS X 10.6.8 ) and Ableton Live 8:

None of the previous bugs were present in this case.

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VibraSound - Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:47 pm

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Very Nice

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bpblog - Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:17 am

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looks and works well so far here in Win XP running MuLab.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:06 am

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Thanks a ton for your replies, feature wishes/changes and bug reports! I can confirm the bugs on PC that ominopasticcione mentioned and we'll work on them.

Forgot to mention that VolumeShaper 3 will not only be free for new customers, but also for all existing customers of VolumeShaper 1+2 or the Cableguys Bundle. A little thank-you for the ones who supported us in the early days.

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sonicpowa - Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:31 am

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Again: WOW! Great!


And just an idea: Scale oscilloscope height (option to click and drag the level of the view).
It looks nice so it could be used also as an oscilloscope.

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Mercado_Negro - Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:49 am

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And those who only have v2? (I'll download v3 during the day and test it here, thanks! ).

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Jakob / Cableguys - Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:16 pm

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Ah, right. All existing customers of VolumeShaper 1 or 2 or the Cableguys Bundle will get VolumeShaper 3 for free.

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Mercado_Negro - Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:25 pm

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Wow, that's very kind of you, Jakob. Thank you very much. I'll get back to you (here) tonight with some feedback

Cheers

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bM3w - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:04 pm

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Looking good so far, but it seems you can't have version 2 AND version 3 installed at the same time. Studio One reads only on DLL. Looks like they share the same VST ID (or whatever it's called).

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Jakob / Cableguys - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:16 pm

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Indeed! VolumeShaper 3 can open almost* all songs made with version 2, there's no need to keep VolumeShaper 2 (only if you like the old layout). I guess we should add a note on that in the installation file.

* We've dropped the interpolation parameter (before you could choose between no interpolation, linear interpolation and cubic interpolation; now it's always cubic interpolation).

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Mercado_Negro - Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:11 pm

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It looks much better in black

Just gave it a proper test and I noticed all bugs reported by ominopasticcione but you said you're working on them so

I didn't use v2 too much but all projects that had it loaded just fine with v3. I thawed some tracks and they sounded the same, cool! (backwards compatibility is essential).

REAPER 64bit (also tested some projects in 32bit)
Windows 7 64bit
96kHz projects, mostly

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Jakob / Cableguys - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:20 am

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Thanks! Glad you like it.


Yes, we worked on them and they will be fixed with the next beta. Clicking on one of the waveform buttons means that we send 120 parameter changes to the host sequencer at once (40 wavepoints * 3 values per wavepoint..). Seems that could easily lead to hiccups, which are taken care of now.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:22 am

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Indeed. I am just right now implementing a scaling for the oscilloscope. Looks great!

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sonicpowa - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:02 am

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^^^ awesome!

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Jakob / Cableguys - Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:23 pm

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Beta 2 is up! http://www.cableguys.de/volume-shaper-3.html

This fixes the issue with garbled waveforms after clicking on buttons below the waveform. Also, MIDI in octave was offset by an octave, which is fixed as well.

Others:

- Retriggering the LFO via MIDI gives a nicer feedback in the oscilloscope (you should check this out!).
- The oscilloscope can be scaled now (I don't reveal how, hope it can be found intuitively enough).
- There's a new button for snapping wave points to the grid now.
- A couple of small layout tweaks.

All owners of VolumeShaper 1, VolumeShaper 2 or the Cableguys Bundle can find their VolumeShaper 3 license in their user account along with a full version beta now.

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Mercado_Negro - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:30 pm

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Hi Jakob, thanks for the full beta2 version and license file to unlock it... though I'm afraid to say it crashes REAPER 32bit (and 64bit) 4.151 as soon as I click on "Choose Key" (with or without e-mail).

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Jakob / Cableguys - Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:33 am

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Uh, indeed. We are currently investigating this!

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Jakob / Cableguys - Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:19 am

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Fixed! So Beta 3 is up: http://www.cableguys.de/volume-shaper-3.html

Or, for your full version beta download: http://www.cableguys.de/login.html

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loopdon - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:07 am

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What's not to like?
Superb it looks.
I think i will have to grab this!
I salute you for offering such fine tools at very affordable prices.
You deserve our support.

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Mercado_Negro - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:11 am

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Thank you! Downloading...

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Fomin - Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:23 am

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Hi Jakob ,

First of all - Thank you for your hard work ! I have just purchased VolumeShaper and version 3 works perfectly in my hosts (Pro Tools HD 9 and Ableton Live 8 on Mac). Love it ! Only one minor thing is confusing me - separate automation lines for used wave and visible wave. It's a bit boring to draw an additional automation just for receive a visual feedback on plugin Gui , so it will be great if you add an option to sync it together .

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Jakob / Cableguys - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:22 am

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Thanks Fomin!


Thanks for that feedback! What about giving some visual feedback instead, if the wave you hear is different to the wave that you edit? For example change the menu color of the LFO wave to red or so.

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munchkin - Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:59 pm

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Is Volumeshaper a subset of Filtershaper? What I mean is could I do everything that Volumeshaper does in Filtershaper? The reason I ask is because I want to buy a volume shaping plugin but if Filtershaper does the same thing and more then I might as well buy that instead.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:08 pm

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For VolumeShaper 2: Yes, besides cutoff, resonance and pan, you can also modulate volume in FilterShaper. VolumeShaper is a bit more streamlined if you only want to do volume modulation. On the other hand, FilterShaper's modulation matrix allows for more complex modulations, as there are 4 LFOs which can be used for modulating volume.

VolumeShaper 3 owns an oscilloscope and MIDI triggering, though, which FilterShaper 2 does not have. FilterShaper 3 is not planned yet.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:04 am

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We've just finished the VolumeShaper 3 video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxuHTLJHdsw

Feedback appreciated!

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Breeze - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:14 pm

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Nice video! Quick and to the point.

While everything seems fine, I have to re-iterate one of my original requests: unless I've missed it, there's currently no way to scale the effect of VolumeShaper smoothly from no effect to full intensity.

There is a way to do this by using two copies of the same track and inverting the phase of the one that has VolumeShaper on it. Then by raising the volume of the inverted version to match the original, the effect comes in bringing the effect in from 0 to 100%.

There are several problems with this: the management is more complicated as tracks have to duplicated along with any effects and it's likely effects aren't going to be as phase accurate... This could easily be done within VolumeShaper and a single mod destination could be used for it (Effect Intensity).

Sorry for waxing verbose...

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VibraSound - Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:51 pm

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In FL Studio there is a Dry/Wet Mix knob for each FX

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Breeze - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:08 pm

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Good idea: I can set that up to do this with Metaplugin or Bidule. Not on the market for a new host right now. But it would be so much simpler to do this in VolumeShaper itselt and it would avoid having to use an extra sub-host.

Anyway, it's up to CableGuys. It's their baby, and they do what they want with it. It's possible no one else has any use for this. This is my last post on the subject. Carry on!

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Jakob / Cableguys - Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:27 pm

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Hey Breeze, sorry to ask you for another post on the subject...: We'd like to keep VolumeShaper as streamlined as possible, so we wonder what the exact use-case for a dry/wet control is?

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Breeze - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:04 pm

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[quote="Jakob / Cableguys"][quote="Breeze"]
"Once more into the breach!"

The primary reason for me is to simply be able to fade the VS effect in and out. I can think of many ways this can be useful. For example, I have a steady pad playing in the background and as a drum beat is faded in or an rhythmic arrangement builds, I want to use VS to impart a rhythm to the pad but I want that rhythm to slowly fade in as the rhythm builds. Dry/wet would do the trick.

You could also quickly create controllable in/out behaviors (fades, cuts) with rapid automation of the dry/wet control. Or like I mentioned before, control and modulate the effect's intensity with another auto modulator like MidiShaper.

Another thing it could be used for is to use two or more instances of VS on the same track and then crossfading between them to change the effect on the same material. The current system of wave presets is great for quick changes, but doing crossfades between them would be a lot harder to implement. BTW, with multiple instances you can also sum VS effects.

You could also easily assign separate VS instances to multiple layers of rhythms, instruments or even sub-mixes, and dry/wet controls would allow you to cross-fade VS effects between them to your heart's content.

I hope this makes it clearer. Again, with all due respect, I fully understand your desires and constraints. But to me... it's a lot of added versatility for a little math and one tiny knob!

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Jakob / Cableguys - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:46 pm

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Breeze, you convinced us. I guess chances are good that we'll introduce a dry/wet control. If not with 3.0, then with a 3.1 update.

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Breeze - Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:39 pm

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All I can say is:

Thanks!

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VibraSound - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:37 pm

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Dry/Wet knob is very nice to control the pumping intensity of the sidechain FX.

Automation of the mix knob (dry/wet) is a very creative tool.

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ChiTown24 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:40 am

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Volumeshaper
I think the dry/wet idea would be much cooler if it morphed the lfo waveform from "flat" (full audio passing through) to whatever the drawn waveform is. That way you just hear the effect gradually apply to the audio. Crossfading from a "dry" audio signal to "100% wet" audio signal would not be as cool sounding IMO. Something you can easily do in your DAW anyway with some basic routing. If you added this dry/wet feature in the "morphing" style it could be a parameter on each lfo page, and also a master dry/wet knob that could controll them all.

.02 cents



btw Im not sure if that is what Breeze had in mind or not, I guess it isn't because subhosts couldn't make this happen ?

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Jakob / Cableguys - Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:55 am

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VolumeShaper 3 is out now!

http://www.cableguys.de/volume-shaper.html

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Breeze - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:21 am

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That's exactly what I had in mind. The "Dry/Wet" terminology didn't come from me but the net result has to be what you're describing or it would be much less effective as we'd be crossfading a full waveform to the effected waveform. Since we're talking about changing the volume from an unaffected one to an effected one, the transition from one to the other has to increment the moment the "dry/wet" knob increments from fully "dry", which is like going from the flat line to the drawn waveform.

I was sure that distinction was clear, so I hesitated to comment on it. In my proof of concept that's what happens: I phase invert the signal going into VolumeShaper and then remix it with the dry signal. At "Dry" we only hear the main signal and as VS is faded in, being out of phase, it immediately starts "eating away" at the main signal to the point where its full effect is felt when both are at the same level.

Within VS itself, it's rather trivial to do either this or more simply multiply the effected output volume gain by whatever the dry/wet knob dictates. I'm pretty sure CableGuys got it, but just in case...

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Jakob / Cableguys - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:26 am

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Got it!

And for now, VolumeShaper 3 is out!

Pretty happy over here that we can soon concentrate on Curve 2 development again (but there will still be time for a VolumeShaper 3.1 update with a decent dry/wet control).

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ChiTown24 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:32 am

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Yes let's be ultra super specific just in case!

If it was going to be done with audio signals then yes the phase inverted proof of concept method you described of "eating away" at the dry signal would be best.

But I don't think that would sound the same as the actual LFO waveform morphing from 0% (flat LFO waveform. full audio passing through) to 100% (whatever the drawn LFO waveform is. audio fully effected)

Maybe I am wrong but I don't think those would yield the same results ?

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Breeze - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:46 am

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In principle they should. In both cases you're just modifying gain, but I suspect the simple gain multiplication method would be more accurate and likely smoother, especially if there's oversampling or interpolation going on. With phase inversion it's a coarse sample by sample subtraction. But really I don't know: that's why I leave that stuff to the professionals.

In other news: Congratulations on the new baby, CableGuys!

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dayjob - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:16 am

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sent cableguys an email..

no matter what i do i can't get the AU component to show up and i get some bogus error when dragging it into the component folder.

OSX 10.7.3

anyone have any problems w/the component?

VST versions installs fine of course. friggin AUs.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:19 am

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Sorry to hear about your trouble. It works fine over here, but of course we'd be interested to know if anyone else has issues as well. Steffen - our Mac expert - will look into this.

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dayjob - Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:25 am

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the plug in shows up in the component folder but not in the AU eval for logic and not in the AU folder in live or numerology or audiomulch.

all the hosts ignore it.

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ominopasticcione - Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:36 am

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I installed and tested the AU version of VolumeShaper3 just now:
no issues for me, it all worked correctly (plus, the AU version seems to work faster than the VST)
OSX 10.6.8
Ableton Live 8.2.8

@dayjob, I had a similar problem some time ago and it had to do with the read/write permission of the AU/VST file.
You could try this: select the VolumeShaper3.component file, press cmd+i, check at the bottom of the window that will pop up that you have the rights to read/write that file (and if not, modify them). That solved the problem for me.
Hope it helps.

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Francisco Cepero - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:40 pm

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Cableguys, once again you distinguish yourself by your generosity, thank you for the free upgrade to VolumeShaper v3. It looks great, with black background... the plug-in was never ugly, but the earlier GUI was a bit difficult on my eyes sometimes LOL.

The oscilloscope is freaky, I'm not one which makes a big deal about eye-candy anyway.

I'd like to use the 64-bit edition, if I could get another host besides Plogue Bidule to run it in... (impatiently waiting for RENOISE v2.8 to go gold already ROFL)

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dayjob - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:49 pm

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that was the first thing i checked in all the folders in the tree. all permissions are correct. it's a weird problem i'm having. hopefully i can find the magic fix here soon. i'm stumped.

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dalor - Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:01 am

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Will Filtershaper v2 be updated soon with similar features (e.g. LFO Midi trigger) to v3?

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ominopasticcione - Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:41 am

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@dayjob, I see. I really couldn't figure it out any other way. What kind of error does it bring when you drag the AU file to the componenet folder?

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Jakob / Cableguys - Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:47 pm

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It seems the issue came from VolumeShaper 2 being installed at the same time as VolumeShaper 3 (@dayjob: correct me if I am wrong).

We recommend to simply remove VS 2.

VolumeShaper 3 can load all songs made with VolumeShaper 2. To make this happen it uses the same plugin ID as VolumeShaper 2. All host sequencers recognize plugins based on their plugin ID. Great host sequencers also consider the file names. You can only run VolumeShaper 2 and 3 in parallel with the latter.

But as VolumeShaper 3 can open all songs and presets made with VolumeShaper 2, there's no need to keep version 2 (only if you like the old layout). Note that we've dropped the interpolation parameter with version 3 (before you could choose between "no interpolation", "linear interpolation" and "cubic interpolation"; now it's always cubic interpolation).

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Jakob / Cableguys - Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:51 pm

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It's very likely that FilterShaper 3 will get an oscilloscope as well as MIDI triggering. There's no scheduled release date yet, though, as we are fully concentrating on Curve 2 development at the moment.

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camsr - Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:44 am

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Great job on VolumeShaper! I plan on adding it to my arsenal soon. One thing that could be added is fine adjustment to the x/y points on the graph. I found the points to skip about 16 or so values in time, which was okay but even finer adjustment would be appreciated. Another cool thing would be the grid adjustable by some user-defined division.

The oscilloscope is AWESOME. Man I wish more plugins did that.

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camsr - Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:54 am

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Could someone explain how to midi trigger the other envelopes? So far I only have Envelope 1 working.

edit: Had to change the dropdown box from wave 1 to wave 2.

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zeep - Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:15 am

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How is this possible? I have the same specs, and never work with AU, only vst, which would mean i'll get a slower plugin.

Also, i'm wondering what is Volumeshaper 3's latency?

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Jakob / Cableguys - Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:34 am

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There should not be any difference between VST and AU (having said that.. the waveform update rate depends on the size of your audio buffer, so if you AU audio buffer is smaller than your VST one, the AU version might seem more responsive, or vice versa).

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ominopasticcione - Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:11 am

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Well, I guess I didn't put it the right way:
What I actually ment to say when I poorly used the word "faster" for AU with respect to VST version of VolumeShaper3 was that the GUI of the AU version, as for me, seems to be a little bit quicker in visualizing the modifications applied to the waveshapes (e.g. when pressing the buttons Y or X inversion buttons..), that's it.
After you put forward the question concerning audio latency I was curious about that, so I tested both the AU and VST version applied on the same audio signal in parallel bus tracks and recorded the results: I couldn't tell the difference between the two, even zooming deeply into the tracks' visualizations. [/img]

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zeep - Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:40 am

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I see. Thanks for explaining it in detail.

Out of interest, what is the overall latency anyway?

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Jakob / Cableguys - Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:48 am

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When changing a point in the waveform, it needs 3 times the audio buffers size to compute the new waveform (we've split computation across 3 audio buffer processings to keep CPU consumption low).

For the audio processing, VolumeShaper adds no latency at all.

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GeneralFuzz - Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:26 am

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Awesome plugin! I was working on a track, wanted a midi triggered effect just like this. One google search and 5 minutes later, got it all working just like I had initially wanted. Very intuitive. Totally worth $20.

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loopdon - Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:25 pm

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Bumping this because it's a great company/product and i want to remember to get this lil thing, soon. These prices are hard to resist

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Jakob / Cableguys - Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:33 am

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Glad you like what we did for VolumeShaper 3!

Bpb aka bedroomproducersblog just published a detailed review yesterday:

http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2012/03/10/bpb-review-cableguys-volumeshaper-3

I should add he mentions an idea we always forgot, on our new oscilloscope: "Having such control over the zoom settings means that VolumeShaper 3 can actually serve as a rather flexible oscilloscope plugin, if you leave all amplitude modulation settings at zero!"

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TheoM - Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:48 am

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THis is too cheap and useful not to support you guys. Consider me a customer finally next payday.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:24 am

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MusicTech just did a review in their April issue:

"This is a godsend for anyone producing four-to-the-floor music.. the curves you can create are much more flexible and musical than what can be done with a sidechained gate or compressor alone."

http://www.cableguys.de/volume-shaper.html

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jethrobull - Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:10 am

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+1 I use this all the time with pancake,its an excellent tool!!
Cheers guys!

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allofdrab - Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:38 pm

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Hey all
I made this using 6 VolumeShaper 3's and AudioMulch.
Sort of shows off VolumeShaper 3's GUI and capabilities a bit.
Thought you may be interested.
A more detailed explanation of the process is below the video.

6 Additive Synthesizers, 6 Volume Shapers, and the AudioMulch Metasurface
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4g37Kt3L60&feature=youtu.be
95 snapshots of the settings of 6 additive synthesizers (6 of AudioMulch's 10Harmonics synths) and 6 volume shapers (6 of Cableguys VolumeShaper3 VST plugins each shaping a 10Harmonics synth) were taken and mapped on to AudioMulch's Metasurface (a 2D area/window where snapshots of settings can be used to create a sort of map that allows the user to transition between the settings of instruments and effects). I then improvised moving around the Metasurface and recorded the output.

btw, I made sure Cableguys and VolumeShaper 3 were among the YouTube tags.

Great product guys.
I also have MidiShaper and FilterShaper and love them too.
Thanks for filling a gap in the plugin world with these inspiring devices.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Mon May 14, 2012 3:06 am

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VolumeShaper 3 got 6 of 6 points in German Beat magazine.

A quote, first the original one in German: "Ob Tempo-synchrone Stotter-, Pump- und Gate-Effekte, Verzerrung, Bitcrushing und Ringmodulation oder komplexe Rhythmusmuster: VolumeShaper 3 spielt bei einer Vielzahl von Anwendungen seine Stärken aus."

English version: "For tempo-synced stutter, ducking or gating, for distortion, bitcrushing and ring modulation or for complex rhythmic patterns: VolumeShaper 3 shows its strength in a multitude of applications."


Also, question for perfect English speakers: is my translation "shows its strength in a multitude of applications" good and correct English? Or would it better to write "in a variety of applications"?

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jethrobull - Mon May 14, 2012 3:11 am

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Looks perfect to me!

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Breeze - Mon May 14, 2012 3:16 am

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You could also say "in an amazing variety of" for more promo panache.

(um... and even more with a dry/wet knob... )

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Jakob / Cableguys - Mon May 14, 2012 3:19 am

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I hear your words (with the dry/wet knob)! Also my colleague Steffen forces me to sacrifice VolumeShaper 3's simplicity a tiny little bit. Will be there in an update soon!

To the English: So "in a multitude of applications" or "in a vatiety of applications" are both equally fine?

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jethrobull - Mon May 14, 2012 3:26 am

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Yes either one sounds perfect.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:30 am

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Hey all, took a bit, but we finally added a mix (dry/wet) control to VolumeShaper with version 3.1, so you can easily adjust your sidechain compression effect, your gated rhythm or tempo-synced stutter.

Well and there could be a crash bug which could happen with Cubase (and maybe other hosts too), which likes to report negative timing values at the start of a song. This is fixed now too, with the new version 3.1.1:

http://www.cableguys.de/volume-shaper.html

It is not at all limited to it, but we hear the many people use it for creating pumping effect which you normally get with sidechain compression. Only that you can simply draw in the exact modulation that you want to.

Fully functional demo available, no time-limit:

http://www.cableguys.de/downloads.html

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Breeze - Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:38 am

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Hi Cableguys! Thanks! Just in time for Christmas! Have a great holiday season!

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loopdon - Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:06 pm

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I am finally so gonna get this.
What a steal!

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loopdon - Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:10 pm

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Edit: Bought, at a measly 15 Euros you'd have to be dim not to
Insane value for money. Keep up the good work, guys!

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sonicpowa - Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:49 pm

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Excellent!!

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Jakob / Cableguys - Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:19 am

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Glad you like it! And we've expanded the discount on the Cableguys Bundle, because so many people purchased it in the last 2 days before Christmas: You can still get the Cableguys Bundle for the price of Curve until January 2nd!

The discount is EUR 119/USD 159 and includes Curve 2, VolumeShaper 3, FilterShaper 2 and MidiShaper.

Or test the demo versions, fully functional and without time-limit.

Also we got quite some discount for existing users until January 2nd.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:25 pm

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I friend told me about that video - David Guetta was asked how to cut a kick to fit with the bassline:

"Very very recently I've found a way to do it that is really amazing, I actually did it here.. the sidechain that I am using with the bass is something that is called VolumeShaper".

Jump to position 3:14 (I'll give a VolumeShaper license for the first one who can post how to embed the video here and have it start at 3:14!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEfeh0bQ504

Btw. it's a great video with quite some tricks in there, definitely worth to watch!

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ezelkow1 - Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:35 pm

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nevermind, looks like it wont let you add the timestamp in an embedded vid for some reason

If you just want the link its (embedded vid still starts at the beginning, but the link itself will go to the right point in time at youtube):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEfeh0bQ504&feature=youtu.be&t=3m14s

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Jakob / Cableguys - Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:48 pm

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Not the real thing but worth a first VolumeShaper 3 license.. now anyone knows if we can embed it?

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ezelkow1 - Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:50 pm

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Yea Ive been hunting around and I dont think its possible with the forum software kvr runs

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audiosabre - Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:50 pm

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AFAIK, kvr needs embed tags for the hash tag to make sense. Without "proper" embedding ^^^ that's the best you can do.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

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cyphersuit - Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:57 am

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quick question: is this vst 64 bit?

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cyphersuit - Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:17 pm

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Worst thing are the pupils, they had the money to pay for the class, but do not seem too bright about the subject of making edm at all...

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osiris - Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:26 am

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Nothing in that video you couldn't find out by trolling around in here...
Congrats Jakob.

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core - Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:47 am

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Nice to see some love for Cableguys plugins

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Caine123 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:03 am

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is this plugin comparable to anything else on the market especially FL Studio users? cause i am one .

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audiosabre - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:18 am

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Grossbeat can do volume automation as well as pitch automation ("time manipulation"). You can trigger the patterns via midi notes.

To be totally honest, you can do the same as volumeshaper in the playlist, using volume automation. The automation envelopes in FL are great for this stuff.

I suppose the difference with volumeshaper is it gives you a really nice graphical display, which shows the effect it has on the audio in real-time.

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Caine123 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:25 am

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thanks a lot , it seems inn volume shaper you can get a bit more fast and effectively to the results though?

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audiosabre - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:32 am

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Depends how fast you are with FL I suppose

I have to be fair; it is more accurate than volume automation in FL's playlist. Gross Beat is a good contender though, just because you get time and volume automation in the same plugin

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Caine123 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:34 am

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thanks mate, i will demo it and compare with gross beat and see if i would get it for 15 bucks .

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Jakob / Cableguys - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:02 am

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Yes!

It's 32- and 64-bit, VST, AU and RTAS, for Windows XP/Vista/7 and Mac OS X.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:04 am

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Thanks!

I did not know the trick with cutting the kick (well we all know about sidechaining the bassline, but cutting the tail from the kick for providing space for the bassline was at least new for me and seems pretty useful).

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osiris - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:26 am

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There;s a way to do this on the Sampler portion in FL. My kicks always seem too boomy and sound nicer if you cut out the end.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:47 am

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What I found interesting with David Guetta's tip was that VolumeShaper can make sure to edit the length of the kick in rhythmic context - like to make sure that the tail is cut exactly after an 8th note (when the bassline plays)? Thats where VolumeShaper can come in handy.

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Caine123 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:12 am

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demo'ed it a bit, but when i have a pattern with 7 kicks isnt there a way to specify a volume shape for a kick which effects all 7 kicks in the pattern? otherwise you have to draw for each kick the volume shape..

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sl1914 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:23 am

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I tried to do similar thing: specify a drawn volume shape for each MIDI note.
I'd like to set the length of the shape. Not sure if this can be done.

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Caine123 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:25 am

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yeah cause if not you are spending more time drawing than producing and are with side chaining and other tools faster on it.

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Jakob / Cableguys - Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:30 am

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You can trigger the envelope by MIDI notes - if your host allows you to route MIDI to VolumeShaper (if its on an instrument channel, than in some hosts VolumeShaper will get the MIDI notes automatically).

Set it to "Beat Retrig.", "Beat 1-Shot", "Synced Retrig.", "Synced 1-Shot" or "Note" in the LFO section - each time, the LFO starts when a note is played, synced to the song position, free running or with the frequency of the note that is played; and looped or onle once. So, plenty of options.

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