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mkdr - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:21 pm

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Ok, i started up a new topic for this so it won't get hidden away in the "Mopho, the good, the bad.."-thread.



The simple idea is to have an editor for the Dave Smith Instruments Mopho synthesizer as a VST-instrument, so that it behaves more or less like a softsynth without all the hassle that's usually associated with hardware synths. Start up a project-file and the Mopho updates to the state it was when you last saved the project. Everything is memorized and automatable just like a vst-synth. Only rendering won't work, obviously, and you need to have an audio input configured like normally with external sources.

I just recently got a Mopho and felt this kind of project was necessary to build for this beautiful synths efficient DAW use. Now I'm selling this to other Mopho users for a reasonable price(just 10e). It's now publicly available for evaluation and testing(works for 9 minutes at a time). Please have a test if it works on your system and report any issues here. Thank you.

Demo available here(v1.30 / desktop & keyboard):
https://www.box.com/s/8fb1681a2e82c105d047

New v1.39 (only available for desktop Mopho for now)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/880206/MKDR_MophoEd_v139_DEMO.exe

There is a time limit of 9 minutes per instance.
Installation: Just run the installer executable to get everything set up the right way.


An editor for Tetra is now under development.

edit: v1.2 Demo out. Cleaned up this post a bit.
edit: v1.21 Minor fix.
edit: v1.24 Keyboard version integrated in the installer. Nrpn system fixes.
edit: v1.30 Nrpn system fixes. Sysex manager.

Get yours HERE

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biscuit13 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:34 pm

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nice one, but i need it for tetra

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zerocrossing - Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:36 pm

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Thanks for this, I'll check it out tonight. I was disappointed that Soundtower dropped the ball on this after promising it for their "pro" version owners. Yet it took you 3 weeks.

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analoguesamples909 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:29 pm

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any chance this might work for editing a Tetra in polyphonic mode?

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mkdr - Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:22 pm

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It will not work as intended for Tetra.. the usage experience with loading up patch data etc. However the NRPN commands used to edit the sound should be similar. Atleast the manuals chart mentions A and B parts, which of A seems to have the same parameter numbers as the Mopho. So it might work for simple edits, but definetly NOT for the patch save or exchanging. If you do edit something with this editor you need to save it to the Tetras memory!

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grymmjack - Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:36 pm

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Very cool. Did you use SynthMaker to do this, and is the mopho MIDI implementation very heavy on SysEx, and if so, was SynthMaker simple to use in this regard?

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nix808 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:45 pm

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It looks like SM Grymm,
the group adornments are stock.
I know editors have been implemented with SM.
Angular Momentum would be another to consult.
Regards

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mkdr - Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:33 am

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Yes it's fully implemented with SynthMaker(around 100000 primitives, 9000+ modules). This was my choise of platform because of development speed and ease of debugging.. and it only needs to work on my Win7 (this is not a commercial project). My first intent was to do this with C++ and QT.. but whats the point really? Would've just lost months of my time, for basically no gain at all.


The Mopho Midi implementation is very light on sysex actually. There's only two messages used here. Requesting the edit buffer from Mopho and sending the edit buffer to Mopho. Rest is done in NRPN, which was the hard and "heavy" part. There's no ready made implementation for NRPN in SM.


SM is easy to use with Midi stuff. If you keep things tidy(modular, object oriented) and limit the amount of midi messages sent, an editor based on sysex messages is a cake.


Thankfully i wasted less time on GUI than the functional side
Btw. I've used stock SM gui parts in C++ plugins too.

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grymmjack - Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:03 am

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This is exactly where I'm at with my pet project for doing the same with microKORG and MS-2000 synths.

Except I attempted to install SM free last night, and it wont even start.

No idea why. Starts to load, shows a loading schematic dialog, then after showing some messages about ASIO/directx sound, it just zombies. I've done a little research and it seems possibly related to FL studio and the SM that comes with it, but even after uninstalling FLStudio and reinstalling SM, same happens.

Any ideas?

Is there any additional lag using the plugin in this way, and also it looks like your VSTi editor simply uses the MIDI port assigned to it in the host, that's exactly what I want to do myself.

Thanks for your help and your effort with this cool free tool. I've considered a Mopho before, then Tetra, but now it's more compelling knowing stuff like this exists for it. Much more so

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mkdr - Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:32 am

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Oh but sir, it's not free
It works for 3 minutes, then cuts out the midi port.


The plugin uses a midi port based on what is written in the configuration file. When you select a midi port it writes its name to the file. It's a "global variable" in a sense that it's not saved with a preset. This enables the "total recall" to work properly, even if some other midi devices are missing. Which happens to me a lot when i change the keyboard i work with etc.


I wouldn't have gotten a Mopho myself if there hadn't been an editor for it. Unfortunately it doesn't work, which sucks. Hence this project. I've built several other tools for my other synths too. And every day i wonder how people can cope with their synths without stuff like this..


No idea why SM is not working with you. Have you tried cancelling the loading of the default project? It might crash if there's some problem with audio or midi devices on your system... If you cancel the load, it starts up with an empty slate.

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nix808 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:32 am

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Grymmjack,
This issue has come up in the SM forum.
SM community needs u, I think.
The version that ships w/- Fruity is basically the proggy,
but I can write to Malc,
the dev, if you want me to.
Also, I would buy u a license,
if u would use it.
The issue has no further word from Outsim.
Would you like to trade an SM pro license
for some graphic work?
SM has shortcomings, but, yeah.
I agree software editors r the go.
Thankfully my Cheetah MS-6 has an editor.
How does that sound?
I'd like to have u in SM's scene,
and as I have bought multiple licenses,
I may be able to sort out a deal.
SM's green timing is 60hz or so,
I imagine that is the resolution it will transfer MIDI messages.
There are workarounds involving MAX/msp & Usine.

Going forward, I can find out how much a license would be,
if that sounds cool to you?

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grymmjack - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:07 pm

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@nix : That is very kind of you mate. Thank you for looking out for me. I've replied to your PM.

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grymmjack - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:09 pm

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I know I was just evaluating it.

Yes tried to cancel as well. No luck. Would you be willing to help me with SM sysex should I need some?

Cheers for your kindness and not being a jerk for me invading your thread.

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grymmjack - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:06 pm

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I cannot get this plugin to work in Live.

It appears that the plugin is not a VSTi, but a VST, much like I guess Thesys, and I've configured it the same way which normally works.

I guess I have to pick an input and output from the dropdowns? If this is the case, can SM indeed use the VST MIDI inputs/outputs without requiring us to choose them from the dropdowns (I don't see anything listed like Host or such like in FLStudio SM).

Guess it can't do that, or just this plugin acts differently?

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mkdr - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:12 pm

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Ah i just remembered that i have a Live license lying around somewhere.. gotta install it and see what's the trouble with it. The plugin should be VSTi.

Yes you have to use the midi ports directly with the plugin. The host side doesn't support sysex streams inside midi. If you'd route all midi through your host, all patch exchange data would be lost. There is no midi out(to host) currently on the plugin.

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mkdr - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:21 pm

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Ok.. i read some stuff about SM's registry entries that could be wrong etc. I'm sure they'll sort it out at the SM forums. And yes i can help you with the sysex stuff. But i have to warn you, it's very simple


No prob
There are more important things in life than "owning" a thread
I'd just hope to see more usage reports from people who've tried my editor so far..

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mkdr - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:35 am

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Apart from Ableton Live compatibility there seems to be no other issues that need to be checked, so i might as well go ahead and set a date for the release.

Official release date:
20.02.2012.
20:02.2012 GMT+2



You can order unofficially before that by PM.
The price is 10 euros, payable only through paypal.





Also, I'd like to know how many there are who would need a version for Tetra. Shout out! If there's enough of you i can do a version that fully supports Tetra too. But I'm going to need help because I haven't got a Tetra to test it on...

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mkdr - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:51 am

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New version v0.9

fixes, enhancements, polishing
Gui's still big and ugly

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mkdr - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:32 am

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Released!

-> here

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rodan - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:48 pm

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I will be buying this when I get paid! Thanks for your work.

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breakmixer - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:41 am

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Any feedback if this works with Cubase 5, I'm asking because I do not have a Mopho but want to buy one at some point, the thing holding me back was a VST for it(and money ), with good props!

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mkdr - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:52 am

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I can prob try it out for you. I think i still have a Cubase 5 trial lying around somewhere. I tried it briefly before i bought Cubase 6. I'll let you know how it goes when i get home on monday.

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breakmixer - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:05 am

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If you use it with 6? I guess it'll work with 5, so just need to wait to see if work continues to pick up like it seems to be doing atm and once I get my tax rebate if I can afford it then I'll be getting a Mopho, the UI looks nice btw. but if you can definately check it'd be a bonus, I've downloaded the demo - but with the Mopho itself cannot fully test(obviously)....

Cheers...

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breakmixer - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:08 am

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Goes to show what a bunch of incompetents they must be...Why the hell Dave Smith used them is beyond me...

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mkdr - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:53 am

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Well, in software nothing is sure before it's sure. So I'll still check it. But if you can already load it up in Cubase5 and select midi ports etc, there shouldn't be anything stopping it from working.


Oh oh oh.. You could even try it out with two instances of my editor!
You'll need to "install" them to two separate folders and rename the other dll, load them both up in Cubase5 and select one to send data and the other to receive. You'll also need to connect the midi out to the midi in on your interface with a midi-cable.. or use a loopback driver(they don't support sysex though). A very good, and the most stable free loopback driver is Copperlan. Highly recommended.

With this setup you can see that every control is sending and receiving.. and that the preset load up procedure is ok, even when opening a project-file (this is where most editors fail). On preset load the editor sends out a sysex of the patch, so this won't work with any loopback driver, you'll need the cable-approach.

I don't really blame SoundTower for not jumping to the VSTi market.. though i hate unfulfilled promises. The tech needed for this thing is quite complex and filled with problematic spots. Without full understanding of how threads work and how midi is handled it's going to be a major PITA to code. As can be seen from pretty much any other VSTi editor: A. they use huge amounts of CPU-time because of bad threading approach B. fill the midi-port with junk messages C. send way too many control messages when automated D. and even crash if automated too quickly..



Btw. If the control receiving is a bit laggy it's caused by the hacked up NRPN receiver in there. It's a feature i haven't perfected yet. Problem is only in the screen update. No messages are lost. I'll get to making it smoother soon. Priority now is Keyboard version and applying CC messages in tandem with the NRPN.. which equals to More Modulation Mayhem! without taxing out the midi-port too much.

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Cyforce - Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:05 am

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Looks interesting. The official editor, hmm i don't know, didn't like him.
So maybe this will be a good alternative...

Anyway for building midi-controllers for hw, SM is great basement. Using it myself for some editors of my drum synths.

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mkdr - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:13 pm

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Cool cool cool news!
The Keyboard version seems to be working nicely now too. After all things are fully checked I'll make it part of the Mopho editors installer. Special thanks to a friendly beta tester who made this possible

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rodan - Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:57 pm

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Is there a way to import all of the current patches off of the mopho?

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mkdr - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:52 pm

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Simple answer. No.

The idea is that you don't have to import anything. Just turn the knob on the Mopho and the patch goes to the editor. This felt so intuitive and easy that i didn't feel a need to complicate things.

The patches you actually use you can save to your host's patch manager.




Edit: I had thoughts of including a sysex librarian to the plugin(i've done those for four of my other synths), but the amount of "patch librarys" available for the Mopho is non existent..
I might reconsider when i get to re-do the GUI. It needs to be a tiny bit smaller and cuter

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rodan - Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:57 pm

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[quote="mkdr"]

Oh I see how it's meant to work now. It sorta eliminates the need for presets by storing it with your save in your daw. Cool I like that.

Just picked up a copy

Thanks for your work on this...and yes a slightly smaller gui would be awesome ha.

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mkdr - Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:59 pm

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Sent out a large amount of editors today..

Also updated the installer and plugin to Vista/Win7 file usage model. Settings are now saved to "My Documents\MophoEd\".

I'll update the demo later..


Next version should be with new GUI. Maybe in a few weeks.

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breakmixer - Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:26 pm

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mkdr,

what are the demo restrictions, none are listed on your site, a couple of people have tried the demo and say it looses connection after a few minutes, if so you should put this info about the demo - they may think it's buggy, if I hear this is working well for people I may be buying a mopho, cheers...

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mkdr - Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:19 pm

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A fair point. Thank you. It does indeed cut the connection after 180 seconds(if i recall.. im on the road again). The GUI clearly shows you a rundown of seconds left, but i'll add a better mention of it on the website.

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dondervogel - Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:31 am

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hello, nice effort on this editor. Just tried out the demo. Comes close to meeting my wishes. Works great although its doesnt fit on my second screen. Another issue is that i now can't sync the mopho's arp or sequencer to Ableton Live as the editor needs the midiports. Is there any way around this?

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breakmixer - Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:18 am

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Yeh, the ui is rather large(took up most of my monitor), I tried the demo, even though I don't own a Mopho(yet), a smaller or resizeable ui would be better...

I am going to buy a Mopho now though at some point this year...

And this editor, liked the layout though

Any chance Mkdr you'll be doing a mopho keyboard version, I 'may' get the kb version if you have an editor ready?

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mkdr - Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:24 am

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Thanks! It's filling my own needs, but of course i try to make it suit all Mopho users. How do you need to sync it? Currently the way to sync to the hots is to use the same BPM. The BPM knob on the editor defaults to the same BPM as the project. So if you press CTRL and click the knob it changes to the project BPM. If you need midi-sync signals there might be some vst that you can route to the editor. I'll try to look in to it when i have the time..


Yep. I first just put it together on my HD screen, but later have thought that it's too big.. and is too big for my laptop for example. I'm working on some cleaner and smaller GUI.


I actually have made the kb version already. One kb owner was kind enough to help me with it and it's fully tested and working. I just haven't gotten it integrated to the installer yet..


I need to kick myself to do this stuff. Just have so much other things going on



The Tetra version is definitely going to be made too as there's so many who've voted that they need one. And I'm myself keen on getting a Tetra too. Maybe Dave Smith could help me with this?

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Didi Disko - Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:54 am

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i hope the mopho key-editor will be finished soon, i really need it! )

i understand the concept of saving everything in the host but still it would be great to have a real library (vst or better, as standalone too), expecially for live performances... because now i would have to buy your editor (no library) and the soundtower pro-editor (no vst), that's expensive and a little complicated.

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mkdr - Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:18 am

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Could you explain why do you need a library function, and how would you wan't it to work?

I might add some kind of library function in the future and would love to hear what features people need. For me it's always been about quick access to patches, and running through the host's library functions has been the best solution. But i'm guessing you'd need a tool you could use to "fill up the synth" with the patches needed for a certain live performance etc. Right?



I'll get the keyboard version hopefully up and running by the end of the week

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Didi Disko - Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:45 am

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Yes, exactly!
And to copy all presets to the computer. And it would be great if it's possible to create folders in the library (for instance for every song) so you have fast access to every sound you have ever created.
And to exchange patches with people that don't use the same host.



Yeah, that's a great message!

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mkdr - Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:55 am

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Bad news.
My new studio furniture got delayed.. I've still got all my gear packed up in storage. Fortunately the stuff arrived yesterday, but i had to hit the road again before i had time to assemble it all. Computers and synths are still packed up (and that's where my editor source files are too)

I'll get the keyboard version up as soon as possible. Deepest apologies for the wait..

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rodan - Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:58 am

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Im assuming this was made with synth edit or synth maker correct?

If not is there any chance this will ever be 64-bit?

Thanks.

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mkdr - Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:45 pm

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Yes it is constructed with SynthMaker. The chance of it going 64-bit is all up to the development of SynthMaker. So i definitely won't promise anything. Consider that as NO.

Also consider that you only need to run one instance of the editor. The cpu-usage penalty of bridging one plugin isn't too big. Or do you have other reasons to have it as 64-bit?



If anyone needs the keyboard version you can order the editor now and send me an email. I'll fix you up with the correct version. I better do it this way, as i haven't had the time to fix the installer. I've been sick
But i did manage to get my studio built up again *happy*happy*happy*

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rodan - Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:56 am

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Studio One doesn't have bridging capabilities and I want to be all 64-bit. Luckily I installed jbridge and it seems to function just fine with it. Studio One's functioning with bridging seems to work a lot smoother then reaper.

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mkdr - Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:15 am

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Ok, so finally i have a demo of the Keyboard version online. For the wait there's a little bonus. The demo time is extended to 9 minutes
https://www.box.com/s/2566813e7e3f4cb639d6
(note that this version only works on the Mopho Keyboard!! I'll change the demo time of the regular version when i get the adjusted gui ready)

I'm also changing servers.. hoping it all goes well. Fingers crossed.


The keyboard version comes with the regular order. So 10 euros for the both

Let me know if there's any problems.

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Hemmick Reef - Tue May 01, 2012 12:46 am

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I'd love to try this, but I can't get it to work in Cubase 5?

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mkdr - Tue May 01, 2012 10:51 pm

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What seems to be the problem?

Did you install it correctly? Copy to vstplugins folder in which you have write permissions..

I'll make an installer soon for the demo that is win7 compatible(or easier to use to be more precise).

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Hemmick Reef - Wed May 02, 2012 12:13 am

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Thanks for getting back.
I've installed it correctly and it opens up ok, but I think that it's to do with configuring the inputs and outputs correctly. At the bottom of the page where I presume I need to choose the input and output it comes up with a box saying that it is in use by another application?

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mkdr - Wed May 02, 2012 10:31 am

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The ports are most likely in use by the sequencer you are using. Go to your sequencers settings and disable them. Restart the sequencer and then the plugin gets to use them.

If it is some other program using the port, you need to find it and disable it before you get to use the plugin (unless the port has multi-client drivers.. etc)

Hope you get it working.

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Hemmick Reef - Wed May 02, 2012 11:06 am

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No sorry, I can't get it working. Could you do a step by step setup tutorial please. Also it maybe worth naming the boxes at the bottom of the interface 'input', 'output' etc. for clarity.
I really would like to get this working as it would help so much with using the Mopho.

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mkdr - Wed May 02, 2012 11:25 am

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What sequencer do you have?
You should have some kind of settings page for the sequencer. You need to start there. Getting the port freed is the first step.

Good point about the ports. I guess i have forgot to add a text there because my ports say "soundcardX In Port" etc.. I'll look into it

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Hemmick Reef - Wed May 02, 2012 11:27 am

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I've got it working.

Wow it's great to be able to save a patch with a project. Definitely worth it!

Thanks

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Hemmick Reef - Wed May 02, 2012 11:40 am

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What are the demo limitations?

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mkdr - Wed May 02, 2012 11:43 am

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I'm glad that you like it




Btw. For best usability, a good midi-interface should be used. I've mentioned that you need to stay clear of cheap usb-midi cords.. but.. there's been an interesting development. I've found one that is dirt cheap(US$ 5.99) and still works, even with mile long sysex messages!
Doesn't even need drivers.

http://dx.com/usb-2-0-to-midi-converter-adapter-cable-178-5cm-length-110980

That's what i now run my Mopho with in Win7 x64, Cubase 6.5

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mkdr - Wed May 02, 2012 11:45 am

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There's a counter at the bottom of the screen.. There's a 3 minute limit now, after which it cuts the connection to the midi-ports. I'm extending that to 9 minutes when i have the time to update the demo.

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Hemmick Reef - Wed May 02, 2012 12:18 pm

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Any chance of adding a menu for changing the global parameters?

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mkdr - Wed May 02, 2012 12:38 pm

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Possible, sure. I just wanted to make them easy and visible. Maybe a mixture would be cool

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mkdr - Fri May 04, 2012 6:14 am

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Testing out the new smaller layout..
Still unfinished, like you might notice from some overlapping texts.


The resolution is now 1265x625. Small enough?
I guess i could still slice some bit off the sequencers..

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mkdr - Fri May 11, 2012 12:58 am

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Ok. Now i really need your opinions on the new layout.
I made the size a lot smaller and to me it feels and looks good. I've heard many say that they simply love the older big layout. My question now is, do i need to keep them both alive? I'm not doing this thing full-time and it's eating up my music production time even as it is. So i'd love to scrap the old GUI
Just let me know if that's unacceptable.


Here's the new, smaller layout, that should even fit most laptop screens.



Also..
The v1.21 changelog:

- Hybrid CC Mode!! The plugin now transmits CC for all controls that have one assigned to them(by DSI. No way to change assignments). The Hybrid part comes from the fact that some controls that support CC run out of range, after which the NRPN kicks in automatically. This cuts down the used midi-port bandwidth quite some bit compared to using plain NRPN's (NRPN = 12 bytes, CC = 3 bytes).

- Fixes to the midi-port search. Now accepts ports with the same name, by enumerating them.

- Midi-port selection hidden in the midi-port activity indicators.

- Midi routing option to enable passing all data from host unchanged(for cases where you need to have midi-chains. Mopho needs to be the last of chain). Default is to convert all data to the selected midi channel.

Release date: 15th of May 2012
edit: had to postpone this a bit..

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rodan - Fri May 11, 2012 7:45 am

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I personally would like the smaller version better. The big one is just too huge to use. On my 24" widescreen monitor it is basically the only thing I can have open.

You may get more responses if you make that screenshot full size so people can get a real comparison.

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auricle - Fri May 11, 2012 7:43 pm

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Are there any plans to make one for the PolyEvolver?

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mkdr - Fri May 11, 2012 10:12 pm

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Ah, good point. The picture in itself is full size, but the forum doesn't automatically link to it. It just shows a thumbnail. But I made it clickable now.



Short answer: No, not in the near future.

The tech I've already built to the MophoEd could very easily be adapted to other synths editors. When i get my current projects finished(music, sound design) i'll see if i could make the TetraEd and some beta of an EvolvEd

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breakmixer - Sun May 13, 2012 9:56 am

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Seems Soundtower have now made/realeased the Mopho, Tetra and P08 Vst editors too, but doesn't seem to be without problems, links...

http://www.soundtower.com/plugse/index.html

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/718952-dsi-vst-controllers-soundtower-coming-plus-voyager.html

More expensive than your Mkdr Mopho editor too,

How far are you off with the Tetra VST Mkdr?

Next month I'm buying either a Mopho/KB or Tetra, but want a reliable VST, so if it's a Mopho I'd rather buy yours after reading what I read on Gearslutz about Soundtower's...

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mkdr - Sun May 13, 2012 10:21 pm

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I checked the links.. what a disgrace for DSI
I sincerely hope they get their shit together, as they'd have tons of customers who would wan't those products. And i sadly can't help everyone. I have limited time on my hands, no way to do Mac stuff, no HW to test things on and no support from DSI.


Anyhow.. I'll open a new thread for the Tetra editor when i get to actually making it. If everything works out that could be later this week.. Horray! It's editor is going to be a bit bigger project than this Mopho one, as there's going to be several tabs for the four patches and different operation modes. But it shouldn't take more than a few weeks to get it working, and bug free. It all depends on my work schedules though. I still need to make some quality sound design and music at the same time

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breakmixer - Mon May 14, 2012 10:39 am

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The following was a reply from Soundtower -

"Yes, it is true on Windows (Tetra does not have multi-client MIDI driver so the USB MIDI can be used only by one application at a time) but...

The PlugSE does not operate on the Audio stream and does not use any resources or processor power. It can be simply minimized or resized to a small size and moved on side so there is no reason to close it.

Why does MIDI stops working? This is because the Tetra has to be directly connected via MIDI ports to exchange the data with the PlugSE. Since the Host sends MIDI messages (notes and etc.) to the Tetra through the PlugSE, closing the PlugSE breaks the connection."

and (about the Gearslutz thread)

"I've just read some post there people have really strange issues with the software... 99% of it are 'user' errors. The Tetra editor crushing! - what they do not mention that it only crushed on the new Mac LION and we provided an updated to fix that. I wish they wrote to us instead."

So...

There was one other reply to me, I was enquiring about the ST Tetra editor, mainly because if I buy an analogue synth I'd prefer a Polyphonic one, and was thinking yours could/may be months off/never made maybe, so apart from that Gearslutz thread they seemed very open, honest, so I would not want to tarnish their reputation.

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mkdr - Mon May 14, 2012 11:51 am

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That's a nasty problem with my plugin too. And even with a multi-client midi driver(like i have), you can't seem to open a port inside an app that already has it open in a plugin.. (is the soundtower guy missing the point? multi-client wont help a bit)

But it's good to hear the situation is not as bad as it sounds.



And an update to the MophoEd. I found a major bug in it, which is going to be fixed in v1.21. The selector for the midi channel had a vst-parameter by accident. What it means is that changing a preset might change the midi-channel if it's different than when you saved the preset. Silly me.


edit: I'm having awful allergic reactions, and just injured my back. Had to postpone this a bit. But I'm getting it done soon

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mkdr - Thu May 24, 2012 4:07 pm

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I got bunch of pills for that, so on with the show.

Here's the new v1.21 Demo.
https://www.box.com/s/09f44d9d8b015a3b798f


I'll mail the registered versions soon...
I'm also changing to an instant delivery system shortly. If you're thinking of ordering, consider doing it after a couple of days to get it quicker.


Edit: updated v1.2 to v1.21
Fixed a midi port loading bug that v1.2 introduced.

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zerocrossing - Thu May 24, 2012 7:32 pm

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Those VST editors were promised as updates to Pro license buyers... I guess they forgot that. I just sent them a message. I'm pretty angry. I have an email record from 2009 where I was asking "when's the editor coming?" So now four years later it comes out. No email. Nothing. They want another $50 out of me? No thanks. I'll buy the mkdr one instead than you.

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mkdr - Fri May 25, 2012 4:16 am

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Btw. There was an interesting demo running on their page of the Tetra editor, with automation running on pretty much all controls. Wonder how that works in the real world? Does the Tetra have superspeed midi ports? Midi can do about 1300 CC messages per second, or around 430 NRPN's. Turning just 4 knobs like that takes up almost all bandwidth.


To avoid dropouts the MophoEd has the handy bar graph for the used midi bandwidth, and of course the Hybrid NRPN Mode

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mkdr - Fri May 25, 2012 11:48 pm

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Still fixing some stuff from the Keyboard and Desktop versions editors. The plan is to get this thing out to users TODAY.

v1.22:
- fix to the nrpn receive feature, runs totally smooth now
- keyboard version now has a working patch init (i had no way to test this.. needed some clever emulation)
- keyboard updated to full v1.22. no difference in features between desktop anymore


v1.24:
- fix to the nrpn receive of patch name (a feature almost never used.. but for completeness sake)
- nrpn enhancements. no skipped values anymore it used to register just the last one within around 25ms. now every one. you can even automate from the knobs(though they suck)

New Demo v1.24:
Includes both the Desktop and Keyboard version in the installer
https://www.box.com/s/d3d847dff499102b2581


Emailing the registered versions next

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mkdr - Sat May 26, 2012 3:38 am

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All customers have now received an email with instructions to download the updated version.

All future purchases are downloadable instantly. I'm happy to get the burden of emailing every order off my back

Phew.. This has been a highly productive day.



The shop page can be found HERE

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mkdr - Thu May 31, 2012 7:33 am

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Ah, the joys of working on 9 projects at the same time.

There are minor bugs at the NRPN-receive module.
Symptoms:
-patch init not always working properly
-wild knob twisting can cause instability
(the device knobs)

Update is on the way.

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Tramic - Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:08 am

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Love the plug, but have a quick question. When I load it up, I don't see a way to send full patches to the mopho, leaving me with knobs that only know their place when I adjust them. I've tried 'resend', but that doesn't seem to be working. I'm using Ableton. Is there maybe something I'm missing?

Thanks!

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mkdr - Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:35 am

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I think i should really do some type of manual for this..
But what you basically seem to be missing is the midi-port selection. The plugin does send messages out to the host, but it's not working properly on all hosts(pretty much any really). What you need to do is disable the port that is controlling your Mopho from your host(Ableton in this case) and restart it. When the MophoEd is loaded again, click on the midi-port indicator "led"s. Select your midi ports that are connected to Mopho. Make sure you also have the same channel selected. These options are saved and recalled on every restart of the plugin.

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Tramic - Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:24 pm

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Ah, I wound up doing that after some trial and error. I also have a VST Alpha Juno editor and I was trying to have my cake and eat it too by just using one MIDI out port for both through Ableton. I wound up disabling the soundcard MIDI out in Ableton, and using a separate MIDI out interface for the juno, and now all is well. I really don't get why windows locks an entire MIDI device when in use. You'd think you could limit that behavior to individual channels. Thanks again!

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mkdr - Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:29 pm

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The MophoEd does support using other synths at the same midi port. Which means you can send midi through it, as long as it's on another channel and midi-transform is off(right click on the channel selector). But if you are routing another editor through it there's the limitation in vst specification that no host supports sending sysex. Anyhow, even though it's possible to do it this way, I'd rather not. The midi-bandwidth is very limited and Mopho eats quite a lot of it. Midi-ports are cheap these days(got the one i'm using for Mopho for under 5 euros), so there's no need to do chains anymore. So the way you have it now is how i'd recommend to set it up


Glad to hear you got it working in the end.

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breakmixer - Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:13 am

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My new(secondhand) Mopho is on it's way!

So just bought your Mophoed VST!

A manual would be a nice addition...no moaning, just would be nice...

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mkdr - Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:26 am

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So many things to do. So little time
Some kind of manual is a must though.




Btw. I still haven't had time to finish the much needed update. Don't send too much NRPN data to the editor! It'll have hickups..

I've already patched the desktop version, keyboard still left to do. I've scheduled it for the weekend.

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kjacks73 - Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:15 am

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bro you are a LEGEND! after exhausting other other avenues of trying to find the most efficient way to get the most out of my mopho (and there have been numerous), I humbly thank you for sharing your work. Simple and effective and more than reasonably priced considering the alternatives! I dont know what your regular job is but im sure you are pretty good at that too! cheers. KJ from OZ.

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mkdr - Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:33 am

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Thanks for the kind words.

I'm kind of in the middle of jobs really
I was first a touring professional musician (or a dj...). I eventually got sick of all the backstabbers and went to study dsp at the university. Now doing some vst-stuff and sounddesign/music for (mostly)games. Actually finishing a project today that's going to tour art galleries around the world. Exciting

(i should finish my studies someday too.. promise)



But enough about me. I'd be very interested in hearing stuff MophoEd has helped people to do! Cool music, soundeffects for movies? I bet even Hans Zimmer uses MophoEd too! (i usually loose my bets though )

Feel free to post stuff at this thread.

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mkdr - Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:30 am

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Working on the update today.

I also started paving the way for other editors(Tetra for example) by adding abstraction layers. The layers make it easier to adapt to a new set of controls. Pretty much all the functions are now controlled by a script. Should make sysex conversion between different DSI synths a bit easier too... Mopho soundbanks in Tetra, single Tetra sounds in Mopho etc. Exiting things to come

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kjacks73 - Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:42 am

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wonderful and thanks so much again for sharing!

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mkdr - Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:47 am

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Updates coming soon.. hopefully one of the last ones

http://youtu.be/ZXROvP-CsFM

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rodan - Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:14 pm

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Anybody get this working in studio one? I can't seem to get it to work.

I have deleted the mopho input/outputs that i had set up in studio one, and I have restarted the daw. The inputs that my mopho is connected to are available for selection in studio one ( though they are not selected ), but the inputs do not show up for selection in the mopho editor. Not sure what I am doing wrong any suggestions?

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kjacks73 - Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:49 am

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having issues with the filter cutoff frequency. if i control the paramater from the plugin no worries but if i try from the mopho it resets to zero once i reach a value of 37. very strange. this was not happening with the demo version i was running. i have tried a few different routings and this is a recurring issue.

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breakmixer - Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:10 am

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I've had a similar glitch in Cubase, Mopho hardware filter/resonance were responsive on the VST, then not, then responsive, then not, then changing program had no effect - I've sent him an email too...

For the minute I've found it's best to use just the VST editor and only use the mopho hardware to change banks/presets and write presets, I found out yesterday once you have changed a patch you can rename it on the editor and click 're-send', the mopho patch name will change and then 'write' the patch - good workflow so far, just these little glitches.

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mkdr - Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:49 am

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Do you have any other midi ports that show up in the MophoEd vsti? Are they also visible in Studio One? There shouldn't be any other reason for the ports not showing than that if they are occupied by some program.



I've rewritten the NRPN system again. Should be glitch free now. There's also that cool sysex librarian function shown on the youtube clip.
I'll try to get a demo out soon. Final update next week.

I'm on a business trip in France right now If anyone has a Mopho near Lyon, shout!

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kjacks73 - Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:35 pm

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Yes, so far that is how i am working also... this little device has dramatically improved workflow so far! that was the only issue i have had really and im really looking forward to the update when its ready. I forgot to add that i use ableton and reaper.

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Winslet - Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:25 pm

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Hii Everybody,

Thanks for this, I'll check it out tonight.

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Winslet - Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:27 am

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So just bought your Mophoed VST!

A manual would be a nice addition...no moaning, just would be nice...

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Hemmick Reef - Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:54 am

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Any plans for a Mac version?

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rodan - Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:40 pm

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edit .... nvmd, I'm pretty sure there is something wrong with my usb ports on my motherboard they only half work.....Sorry.

Stupid windows usb midi limits. Got me again. Everything is working now! So excited!

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Winslet - Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:43 pm

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Hii Welcome,

nice good job.

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mkdr - Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:07 am

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Any Mopho Keyboard owners online right now?
Interested in trying the new beta? I'd need to make sure everything's working ok before i release this. Shout out!


I'll upload the beta version soon.

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mkdr - Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:28 am

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Ok. About time i get this thing forward again..

So here's the new v1.3 DEMO with updated goodies like:
-quicker response to patch changes
-custom patch/sysex manager with simplistic HD storage
-online video manual (being shot right now..)
-fixed NRPN receive(goodbye hickups, crashes, etc)
*can't really get it any better as the main problem is the midi bandwidth, which DSI didn't seem to take into account at all(attack/decay knobs!) and the knobs ofcourse suck anyhow..*

In short: A MAJOR update

download link: https://www.box.com/s/8fb1681a2e82c105d047



I hope i haven't broken compatibility with earlier versions. SynthMaker has serious problems with this. If things seem out of place compared to your earlier saved patches, use the "save sysex to file" from the earlier version, install v1.3 and copy the saved sysex files over to the new patch managers folders(more info coming on the manual videos). I will also stop updating this editor for now, to prevent any further messiness. Consider this the Final version. Bugs will be fixed though! Please report them to mkprod@mkdr.net, thanks.


PS. Someone with Mopho Keyboard, plese check if this version works!?

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mkdr - Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:11 am

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Wooops.. a bug in the installer. Fixed now.

The installer bug wrote a folder to "my documents" called "Patches" with a text file "folders.txt" (should've gone to the folder "MophoEd\Patches"). The text file and the folder can be safely deleted.

Also worth a mention. The uninstaller doesn't remove the "MophoEd" folder anymore from my documents, because that's where all the patches are. Wouldn't wan't to destroy any ones patch collection

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kjacks73 - Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:02 pm

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will installing this affect my paid version?

**edit Just checked my email and there is the paid version... the legend continues... you are awesome!

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kjacks73 - Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:59 pm

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this plugin is working flawlessy... the couple minor glitches that existed in the previous version seem to be corrected. WOOHOO!

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menegass - Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:49 am

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I tested the first version and were very unstable. So I quit. I'll test again.

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jobromedia - Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:31 am

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My vote: Never seen it before, and I don't own the synth in question.

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mkdr - Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:59 am

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Yes that first one was a bit shaky. More of a proof of concept type of thing. Maybe i should have waited until i got it to the point it is right now.. but i think the feedback and support i got from KVR was crucial in it's evolution to this finely cut diamond that it is now


Thanks kjacks73 for the comments



Btw. I still found some irregularities when i installed this on my laptop to work on the road(and work on the manual). Some folder trouble.. So still some minor patching up to do.

If my schedule permits i'd also like to add the "Bank managing" thing too that some people over here requested. Any more ideas anyone?

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