KVR :: Effects » MAutoVolume released with a riddiculous introductory price! [View Original Topic]
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MeldaProduction - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:14 pm

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Hi folks,

so here it is - MAutoVolume - free for MTotalBundle users, for everyone else it is available for a riddiculous 20 EUR as usual.



Cheers!

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heffus - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:42 pm

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Will the rest of your plugs be getting knobs also?

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MeldaProduction - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:47 pm

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Yes! There is a major update now .

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SuperFly76 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:40 pm

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Awesome! Will purchase when I get home.

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bitman - Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:43 pm

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I got mine!!

Thanks for making this. No other plug of this type worked with Sonar, this one does and does it well. Thanks also for the nice price on it too.

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Lenticular - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:08 pm

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Does this record & follow midi events like Waves Rider too?

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pronoise - Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:55 pm

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I got it as well Thanks for pricing it so inexpensive.

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loopdon - Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:52 pm

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Great price. GUI looks a lot better as well.
I guess the program is fantasic, too.

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chokehold - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:04 am

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Looks nice, will try it out as soon as I finish work.

Just one question: does this follow the Peak or RMS level of the signal?

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Uncle E - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:19 am

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Is there a reason to use M/S, minimum/linear phase, and up sampling or are they only there to be consistent with your other plug-ins?

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chokehold - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:31 am

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The M/S aspect makes sense.

After all, volume automation is something like a more flexible compression method: make the quiet parts louder and make the loud parts more quiet, but with variable attack/release times.

And where M/S compression is used, M/S volume leveling might also come in handy.

Take a recorded mono Bass signal that's fattened up by two room mics, both panned L and R. The bass doesn't "need" the Side signal for presence, it's just for fattening, so it's going to be mixed-in relatively quiet anyway, and no one will care (if notice at all) if it drops or rises the odd RMS dB every now and then.
The main "sound" of the Bass OTOH is in the Middle, so it would profit from a consistent leveling.

With Drums it might be the other way round, put the plugin on the bus and let the mono Middle (Kick, Snare) keep the dynamics it needs, but push the Overheads and Toms in the Side signal down whenever they get too loud.

Upsampling, as usual, is there for smoother volume adjustments, I guess.
Whether it really makes a difference... dunno.

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dusted william - Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:58 am

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another question.

does this read and write automation and sidechain the audio with Ableton Live? Vocal Rider does not.

Thanks,

dw

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zeep - Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:13 am

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Nice GUI.

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bezusheist - Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:35 am

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it's there to minimize aliasing...

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Compyfox - Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:44 am

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This might come in handy. If it's like the LAWO Automatic Gain Control (just sans the pretty GUI with comp and expander courves), I'm pretty much sold.

Have to test it first though... it's a special application that doesn't work for every recording.

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Greenhouse MG - Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:03 am

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pdf manual file is missing in Download page

http://www.meldaproduction.com/download/mautovolume_documentation.pdf

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DarkStar - Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:45 am

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^^^^
Here, in Windows XP, there's a link to the Documentation folder in my Start >> All Programs >> MeldaProduction >> productname folder.

I would think that there is something similar for OSX.

And they're on the Downloads tab on the product web pages.

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SuperFly76 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:55 am

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Just bought and downloaded. Looking forward to getting this licensed. I've been using the demo version for the past few weeks and love it.

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SuperFly76 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:00 am

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Not midi. Like waves vocal rider, it writes automation data - which is not the same as midi. It's actually better than midi because it has a higher resolution in most cases. (Host dependent)

It can be a bit confusing because many controllers use midi to communicate with the host. The host can record the movements as automation data, which is't using the midi protocol. Automation data is much better because it has a much higher resolution that midi, in most cases.

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:31 am

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Thank you folks!

- Documentation - added to the website
- Automation - yes, it should be able to do that with all hosts, though I'm personally against it, because despite it has high resolution, without automation it has much higher, hence better audio quality I believe.
- Upsampling is for aliasing removal, since as it is a nonlinear processor, it can cause some.
- M/S - you may for example want to "stabilize" the mono content only, so that the stereo signal (causing width) stays the same.

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Keith99 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:10 am

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Excuse my ignorance but how does this differ from using a compressor?

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chokehold - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:13 am

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@Keith99:


@Melda:

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:15 am

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Exactly, you could maybe do similar things with compressor (not the side-chain thing though probably), but setting it up would be a nightmare .

It uses RMS of some kind .

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Keith99 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:19 am

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Right I see, the attack is automatically set by the plugin. I will need to think on this, I mean with a compressor with fastest possible attack and auto release it must be quite similar but I guess this will allow transients to pass when below the level, hmmm yeh it could be great this

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CT - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:26 am

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For how long is this available at the introductory price?

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Greenhouse MG - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:28 am

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Can you explain a bit more about that side-chain and background aspects?

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Lenticular - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:38 am

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Thanks, yes I meant track automation. I tried the demo & it sounds like a compressor with auto gain, no?

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:48 am

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Ok, this is from the documentation:

Side-chain panel controls the side-chain input. Normally the plugin stabilizes the input volume to a predefined level. When you enable
side-chain input, the plugin will also detect its volume and adjust the level accordingly. For example, when you process lead vocals,
you can route all other tracks into the side-chain and the plugin will ensure the vocal volume will always be approximately as loud as
the background, so that the vocal will always stay on top.

Background sensitivity
Background sensitivity is used to control how much the plugin listens to the side-chain signal. The higher the background sensitivity
is, the more the plugin is affected by the side-chain level instead of some predefined constant level.
Range: 0.00% to 100.0%, default 50.0%

Background gain
Background gain virtually amplifies or attenuates the side-chain signal. This may be useful, when you want to compare the processor
with and without side-chain. When side-chain is disabled, the output is leveled to a predefined volume. But your background may
have very different volume, so that when you start switching the side-chain on and off, the requested gain would quickly change
everytime you do that. With background gain you can tweak your background to avoid these changes, hence being able to
optimally consider whether it is good to use the side-chain or not.

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:49 am

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well, technically any dynamic processor can be a compressor with auto gain. In fact, the idea here is just the "auto-gain" .

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Nielzie - Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:50 am

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+1

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Lenticular - Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:02 am

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I just starting to use this, I'll check it out manual more in a bit but quickly in X1 should I be redirecting the automation to volume after writing the track automation?

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:06 am

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No no, automation works like with any other parameter except there is no knob. Side-chain is for sending the rest of the arrangement, so that the processor makes for example vocals on top of the arrangement, but less loud in silent passages, as opposed to make it have the same loudness all the time.

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zvenx - Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:18 am

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hi, can this be used for ducking for doing voice over ads per chance?
thanks
rsp

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:27 am

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Not really (at least I don't think so), that's what a gate does, check out MDynamics for example.

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zvenx - Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:32 am

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hi, yes. I currently use another product for that, but this one seemed so easy and I imagine transparent compared to a compressor, would have been great to work for that.

rsp

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mabian - Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:46 am

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Does sidechain work in the VST2 version of the plugin or does it only work on VST3?

Thanks,
Mario

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SuperFly76 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:09 am

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It works in VST2 also if your host supports multiple inputs. Most of the major DAWs should support it. So, your answer is Yes!

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Keith99 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:14 am

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Bought, installed and working nicely thank you!

Only slight oddity is my MAutoDynamicEQ's skin has now changed.

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:17 am

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Perfect!

With other plugins - please update - there has been a major update along with the release.

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Keith99 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:21 am

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Cool will do
edit: updated MAutoDynamicEQ and nothing happened. I had to go into the EQ folder and remove the old one (the one without the 64 at the end). Perhaps when I first installed I chose a non 64 one? Anyway it is ok now and all working and I like the new look

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TFF - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:28 am

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Trying to use this on vocals. For some reason, no matter where Iput the settings, it always ends up emphasizing sharp transients (K sounds). Any tips for minimizing this?

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:34 am

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Well, seems like some weird lag, don't really know. But it's ok, right?

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:34 am

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Try look-ahead at say 20-50%.

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bitman - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:47 am

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Here is how I did it to make vocals "come sit and stay" in Sonar.

Make a music only bus and route all tracks to it except for the vox track then send it's output to the mains as usual so you can hear the back tracks. Send the vocals to the mains or through a buss if you wish before they hit the mains. Put an instance of mAutoVolume on the Vocal fx bin and enable it to listen to it's side chain. Then in that music only buss you created at the first, insert a send from it and the mAutoVolume side chain input should be an available buss destination. Now play your track and set the sidechain sens to where you like it and the vox output level. You will find that your vox just sits there perfectly audible but not too loud ever and all the time.

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:52 am

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Yes!

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munchkin - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:05 am

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Is this plugin like a peak or brickwall limiter? If so does it affect the sound it limits or does it keep it as close to the original as possible and just stop the level exceeding zero?

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:16 am

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It tries to stabilize the loudness around some predefined level or at the level of the side-chain. It has nothing to do with limiting.

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zvenx - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:18 am

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bought and installing.
on the mac I am choosing to install both vst and vst3..... but in the vst it is putting a folder called contents, but no actually vst 2.4 plugin.
am I missing something?
thanks
rsp

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MeldaProduction - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:20 am

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Aaaah, that would be wrong, let me check.

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Uncle E - Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:36 am

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Bought it.

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contrary - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:11 pm

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Vojtech,

any payment options for non-PP users ?? I'm in the US.... can I just mail a US post office money order to you ????


Please provide another option to data mine PAL!!!!

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MeldaProduction - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:42 pm

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I'm afraid it's not possible. Paypal should be able to use credit cards, right? In extreme cases we can use bank transfer.

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mabian - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:49 pm

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After clicking the "?" button in MAutoVolume, REAPER froze (hung) for a couple minutes, then it woke up again...

Windows 7 Pro x64, REAPER x86, MAutoVolume x86 VST2.

Could not reproduce it.

Also, the plugin is working in demo mode even though I placed the license key file where I installed MAutoVolume, that is in folder
M:\x64\Audio\MeldaProduction\MAutoVolume 5, an mlicencemanager.dat file is in the same folder...

Thanks,
Mario

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MeldaProduction - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:05 pm

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Please see this tutorial about activation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgXchzBuKoY&lr=1&feature=mhee

I'll check the Reaper thing, but I think it was just an coincidence not related to it.

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SuperFly76 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:13 pm

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Hey Vojtech,

Loving this plugin. I have a quick feature request for the next version. Could you add another meter for the sidechain input? It would be nice to be able to reference all of this within the plugin. It would also be a quick indicator as to whether the users have actually routed the sidechain input correctly. I'm testing this out in a few other hosts that I don't use regularly, and I keep checking and wondering whether or not I have the sidechain routed correctly. Regardless of this, I think it would still be a good feature for reference.

This plugin is now on my default vocal setup!

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A.M. Gold - Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:23 pm

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Sorry if this was answered already, but is there an update for all plug-ins available right now with the new GUI design?

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mabian - Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:51 pm

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Thanks, I forgot this and thought the licence file just had to be put in the folder.

- Mario

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MeldaProduction - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:42 am

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Okey dokey , added to to-do

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MeldaProduction - Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:43 am

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Yes! But first please uninstall your current version, there have been some problems in 64-bit naming scheme. Or maybe wait for the final release.

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SuperFly76 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:06 am

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Vojtech,

Just wanted to report that I'm getting crashes in reaper with this plugin. I just transferred a project from Samplitude to Reaper, as I'm thinking of switching to reaper full time. I loaded the stems into reaper and set up routing and plugins. At first all seemed good. The project was set up and running. I saved it and when I when to re-open the project, reaper would just hang and crash. Finally, I was able to launch reaper and have it "firewall" all the plugins. I then disabled both instances of mautovolume (there are 2 lead vocal tracks in the project), and then clicked save. The project then opened fine. I tried then re-enabling both instances of mautovolume and reaper crashed a few moments later. So far I've had about 10 crashes with reaper and this plugin.

I'd be happy to help you get to the bottom. Let me know if there are any tests I can do.

I'm running Windows 7 enterprise x64. Right now I'm using 32 bit plugins and the 32 bit version of Reaper.

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MeldaProduction - Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:08 am

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Ajajaj, ok, can you send me the project?

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SuperFly76 - Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:25 am

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Hi Vojtech,

PM sent.

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seagull - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:46 am

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Just purchased. Thank you.

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I. Lehti - Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:52 pm

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What a great plug in. Just tried it on a lead vocal track with MixControl compressor just before it and it smoothed it out just wonderfully, I did an A/B bypassing it with just the Mixcontrol on and with the plugin on it just made the levels and smooth out and and seemed to take out any harshness in the track too. What a great deal. At this price I just gotta say thank you.

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MeldaProduction - Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:58 am

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Thank you !

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wizardofice - Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:22 am

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am I understanding correctly...this can only be purchased using PayPal? If this is the case I will be soo disapointed because I really want this but will never do business with paypal again after they swindled me.

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MeldaProduction - Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:00 pm

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I'm afraid so. In extreme cases I can provide bank transfer, but that can take several days and needs some assistance.

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wizardofice - Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:03 pm

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guess I.m out

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MeldaProduction - Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:05 pm

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You can try some reseller, if it is already available, but it will probably be available after the full price is set.

Anyway folks, as I see it, end of the week => end of the introductory period

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pekadan - Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:03 am

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How does MAutoVolume compare to the Waves Bass Rider? I see MAutoVolume gets compared to Vocal Rider here and there, but I've also read that Vocal Rider and Bass Rider use different algorithms in order to ride the signal properly. Can MAutoVolume do what both Waves plugins do?

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MeldaProduction - Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:14 am

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Basically. But of course it's up to you to compare which you like the most .

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wizardofice - Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:38 am

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No thanks. I do not do business with companies that are dishonest (paypal) nor companies who align with blatently dishonest ones. You may be as honest as can be but the association with pay pal is quite troubling.

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MeldaProduction - Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:34 pm

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Well, it's up to you. I know paypal can be a pain sometimes, but generally they provide the service well enough.

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Programentalist - Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:07 pm

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Couldn't help myself, bought it. Been looking at Waves Bass Rider and Vocal Rider but they felt way too expensive for what they were. At this price anything similar is a steal!

To be honest, even the regular price is very competitive

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wizardofice - Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:18 am

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they are crooks.

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MeldaProduction - Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:03 am

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Thank you !

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loopdon - Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:52 am

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Bagged this.

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hivkorn - Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:09 am

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just to ask ( because i don't know ) there is a diference between this plug and the wave plugin?

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MeldaProduction - Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:13 am

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?? Of course, there's quite a few differences. But that's up to you to decide, which you like more . MAutoVolume is generally more capable, people say it sounds better, and can probably do what both VocalRider and BassRider do.

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hivkorn - Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:17 am

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i believe you but what does it have that VocalRider don't have ? do you add function that are not on VocalRider?...

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MeldaProduction - Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:18 am

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Plenty... look-ahead, M/S, upsampling... Just please check

http://meldaproduction.com/mautovolume/

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Compyfox - Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:25 am

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And here I thought "man this is a good deal and versatile", but it turns out that I can't to pretty much jack with it other than "subtle" changes (yes I'm late in the testing game).

I took it to an extreme test with volume jumps of about 16dB, and MAudioGain can't handle it. It can handle "movements" over a certain time with contant volume (within a 3-6dB hotspot range), and it does sound smoother than a single compressor for sure, but this is not what I actually thought this might be.

This is what I thought I could do:
http://youtu.be/E9-AvymuKuM

Turns out I got better(!!!) results with MCompressor rather than MAutoVolume.


Of course, if you need a gain riding plugin - all fine. But I think I simply build myself an expander/compressor system in eXT with two MComps than getting this. The only thing I lack however is a range control.

Maybe I'm just too oldschool in terms of mixing and not into that "in your face" thing. Time's over for me to get it for 20 bucks anyway - unless Vojtech can convince me other way with massive enhancements and more control.

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MeldaProduction - Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:40 am

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Well, it depends on what are you doing with it. It is designed for single tracks, not whole mixes or something. You can probably do similar thing using a few compressors/expanders, but it's gonna be a long-term action , and the purpose of this is exactly to make this common task as quick as possible - just put it into a vocal track and maybe tweak something. But it's definitely not a typical "Melda-ultra-versatile" thingy .

So no more parameters etc., unless it would be very smart . I personally tested it on a very bad vocal fluctuations and it handled it very well with a range of about 24dB. So maybe if you have some audio it didn't handle well, just send me it, so I can check.


Anyway folks, last few hours!

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Compyfox - Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:58 am

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Unfortunately I don't, so I can't test. I would have shelled out the funds, but why not simply release a gate/expander (that is capable of upward expansion!) plugin for the free pack to complement the compressor. You still get your funds with the upgrade to "pro" (and therefore drop the nag screens, have window resizing, etc).

I still think it needs the be part of a bundle like this.

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MeldaProduction - Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:06 am

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Well, unfortunately, our main "dynamics" product is MDynamics, which can do everything including gating (in active preset basis - so easy-to-use), so releasing a dedicated gate would first be a little useless work and also a little contradictory with marketing.

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Compyfox - Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:06 am

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Not really IMO, but it's your game. I'm fine either way.

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Carsten Nielsen - Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:04 pm

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Seriously considering buying this. Was the 20 EUR price mentioned at the beginning of this thread a KVR special or an introductory offer - which is now discontinued?

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filkertom - Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:16 pm

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I picked this up in a hot second. However, I will admit I'm an idiot, an amateur, and I have very little experience in what settings will do precisely what. This is not made any less frustrating by the fact that there is an entire preset system, but no actual factory presets come with it. I've read the manual, and tried playing with several of the settings, but I'm kinda shooting in the dark. I'm not even quite sure what I'm supposed to be hearing. I thought it would be a relatively straightforward set-this-to-keep-from-clipping type deal. It's obviously not, and it's obviously really powerful, but I have no idea how to properly use the dang thing.

Any chance of somebody helping a dumb brother out here?

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DarkStar - Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:26 pm

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Intro price - Meldaproduction releases one or more beta versions then offers the introductory price for a few weeks after the formal release. it keeps us on our toes.

This might help:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=344234

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MeldaProduction - Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:38 pm

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What are you having trouble with? In most cases you don't need to do anything, maybe set the input and output gain and that's all... This is exactly the type of tool you just add to a track.

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filkertom - Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:57 pm

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Well, it doesn't seem to do much unless I set the input and output gains to extremes. I mean, if I load it into a vocal track, it lowers the volume... to the point that I have to increase the volume to get it back into the mix.

Even a before/after audio on the site would help. Is there a tutorial video somewhere?

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MeldaProduction - Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:08 pm

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No tutorial yet. Anyway it's purpose is exactly to be transparent - just try lowering volume of your vocals temporarily and you'll see what it does. Using extreme input/output gains is exactly what you should NOT do. In fact, the less the plugin does (which is visible on the gain meter) the better.

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filkertom - Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:23 pm

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Much obliged, Vojtech, I'll give that a try.

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TheoM - Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:16 am

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This is absolutely *incredible*. This has done what waves vocal rider failed to ever do. This 20 euro plugin has made every other rider plugin (not many to choose from admittedly) instantly redundant.

The results are absolutely unbelievable. I'm speechless.

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MeldaProduction - Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:19 am

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Perfect! Thank you!

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TheoM - Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:33 am

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i will take a screenshot here and post it, of the before and after file (i am using a test file from the diverse vocsteady download page (a cool plug in still by today's standards but win only) to show how melda balanced it out.

I spent hours with every other rider plugin including freebies ( a couple of mac only ones) to no avail,

surprisingly the best result was with voxformer followed by pro-l, it put all the riders to shame.

But now, with melda i just inserted and pressed a few knobs and it evened everything out.

Look i spent like 20 seconds on this so did not tweak for best settings or whatever and i have kind of pushed it to the limits, but just to see what it could do.

I don't need any more convincing.

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TheoM - Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:40 am

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image hosting



http://s7.postimage.org/94jbihtcb/Melda.jpg

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MeldaProduction - Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:43 am

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Uuuuu, that's extreme indeed!

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TheoM - Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:47 am

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but you can clearly see it's lowered the high ones and boosted the lows and it's just basically flat all the way through.

Vocal rider which is 10 times the price an NOT do that

(it tries LOL)

Melda one seems to be ok on bass too as i am testing now

I purchase next payday..

will price be valid in two weeks from today?

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MeldaProduction - Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:59 am

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Cool

Well, right now it's the full price of 50 EUR, but there should be some April discount

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