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machinesworking - Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:37 pm
Since I got the Bitwig thread locked I figured I should at least attempt to make a home for more random speculation about the either perfectness of the future BWS beta or it's complete lack of features we don't know about yet.
spaceman - Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:35 pm
Apparently, it won't have cup holders.
machinesworking - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:32 pm
Or cats obviously. At least not "needlessly creepy" cats.
Hitchock cats best be leaving KVR alone!
I'm sure every feature they say it has will be horribly buggy or save my life?
Just a quick repost from the Ableton forums,(don't worry this time it's not a scene from a 50 year old horror movie!), since it's the only semi official reply to the Bitwig announcement from Ableton I've seen:
CarlSeleborg wrote:
Hi Leipies,
It seems to me that we're not doing anything differently than Bitwig. Just like them, we spend a lot of time working on the next version (the first in their case), and when we feel we're ready, we announce it and then it takes a little while before the actual release. For 3 years, Bitwig said no word about what their software would do, just like Ableton has always done. I see little difference here!
Believe me, we're not asleep! A lot of us would just love to tell you guys about Live 9, because it will be a kick-ass release. It's a little frustrating for us as well, but that's the game. On the other hand, Bitwig just announced their software, which they've been working hard on for a long time, so it's only fair that they get their share of attention now.
However you're right on one point: we do welcome competition! We've been sitting alone in our market segment for a very long time, and there's nothing better than competition to wake you up and release the good creative energy, and boy do we have that in store! We're very much looking forward to competing on features, user benefit and innovation, but please bear with us if we choose not to play the Internet-buzz game, because it's not in our values and we're working hard on stuff that matters instead.
Let's wait for Bitwig Studio to be released, and may the best product win!
Carl
carl.seleborg@ableton.com
It seems to me that we're not doing anything differently than Bitwig. Just like them, we spend a lot of time working on the next version (the first in their case), and when we feel we're ready, we announce it and then it takes a little while before the actual release. For 3 years, Bitwig said no word about what their software would do, just like Ableton has always done. I see little difference here!
Believe me, we're not asleep! A lot of us would just love to tell you guys about Live 9, because it will be a kick-ass release. It's a little frustrating for us as well, but that's the game. On the other hand, Bitwig just announced their software, which they've been working hard on for a long time, so it's only fair that they get their share of attention now.
However you're right on one point: we do welcome competition! We've been sitting alone in our market segment for a very long time, and there's nothing better than competition to wake you up and release the good creative energy, and boy do we have that in store! We're very much looking forward to competing on features, user benefit and innovation, but please bear with us if we choose not to play the Internet-buzz game, because it's not in our values and we're working hard on stuff that matters instead.
Let's wait for Bitwig Studio to be released, and may the best product win!
Carl
carl.seleborg@ableton.com
Jace-BeOS - Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:35 pm
i gotta give 'em credit for a direct comment to the community.
machinesworking - Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:28 pm
Jace-BeOS wrote:
i gotta give 'em credit for a direct comment to the community.
Sure it only took them about 30 threads on their forums about Bitwig to finally say something!
Ian B - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:24 pm
machinesworking wrote:
Or cats obviously. At least not "needlessly creepy" cats.
Hitchock cats best be leaving KVR alone!
Inspired by these threads, my next cat will be called Bitwig Hitchock cats best be leaving KVR alone!
miedex - Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:36 pm
Ian B wrote:
machinesworking wrote:
Or cats obviously. At least not "needlessly creepy" cats.
Hitchock cats best be leaving KVR alone!
Inspired by these threads, my next cat will be called Bitwig Hitchock cats best be leaving KVR alone!
Inspired by your post, my next cat will be called Earwig
machinesworking - Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:37 am
Sir that was needlessly creepy! I am a sensitive artist, I will not be able to create my next Ambient piece without randomly interjecting Death Metal riffs into it now!
GeorgeZ - Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:17 am
standalone - Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:54 am
Without cats this thread is heading to disaster.
Kriminal - Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:20 am
CarlSeleborg wrote:
We've been sitting alone in our market segment for a very long time
which segment would that be
GeorgeZ - Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:26 am
----- I made a post boo-boo
pls move along. griels - Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:27 am
Live-performance-oriented sequencers, I guess. They're not exactly completely alone, though, but they're certainly the biggest player there.
alphadelphi - Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:45 am
GeorgeZ wrote:
LOL
Dean Aka Nekro - Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:56 am
George, Nice one mate sureno - Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:41 am
cant we even have 1 cat pic, even if its this cute
hibidy - Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:44 am
Bitwig w/o cats is like a hot dog w/o mustard. Sad. that outta do it
trimph1 - Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:58 am
Agree there....
machinesworking - Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:49 pm
Yeah I guess I meant I'm not posting any cat pics, since the first and only cat pic I posted got a thread locked.
And yeah, I do find it funny, in the great scheme of things that was as vanilla as creepy gets, besides kids dressed in department store monster costumes for Halloween.
hibidy - Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:03 pm
I've already said, I really don't think it was you.
luckystrike - Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:38 am
How sooner will this thread get locked again?
hibidy - Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:57 pm
bump, any news?
ZenPunkHippy - Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:14 pm
hibidy wrote:
bump, any news?
Yes!
Beta testting still hasn't started
hibidy - Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:42 pm
lotus2035 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:46 pm
Kriminal wrote:
CarlSeleborg wrote:
We've been sitting alone in our market segment for a very long time
which segment would that be
The "I'm a very serious and slightly pretentious knob-twiddling house producer whose idea of being progressive is changing my quantize settings to 'Swing 60%' every other tune" segment.
felonytrance - Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:39 am
lotus2035 wrote:
Kriminal wrote:
CarlSeleborg wrote:
We've been sitting alone in our market segment for a very long time
which segment would that be
The "I'm a very serious and slightly pretentious knob-twiddling house producer whose idea of being progressive is changing my quantize settings to 'Swing 60%' every other tune" segment.
Priceless
ZenPunkHippy - Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:35 pm
YO!
ZenPunkHippy - Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:37 pm
It's cat time ...
hibidy - Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:49 pm
"I canNOT have cheesebur....I mean bitwigs??"
Maybe they are just waiting until ezpiano is released.
ZenPunkHippy - Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:15 pm
THIS is quite interesting ...
Google must be broken
trimph1 - Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:19 pm
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
On that note...
hibidy - Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:51 pm
ZenPunkHippy wrote:
WTF?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meffy - Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:55 pm
Google works fine. See? https://www.google.com/search?q=do+a+barrel+roll
trimph1 - Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:57 pm
Meffy wrote:
Google works fine. See? https://www.google.com/search?q=do+a+barrel+roll
I thought Spring stepped on my keyboard
UltraJv - Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:04 pm
Must....... resist......cant arghhhhh ......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4
t3toooo - Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:12 pm
only got a little game to contribute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2RqVUjwxdM
hibidy - Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:30 pm
haha!
phazedown - Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:21 am
The guys fom Bitwig Studio aren't present at Musikmesse, right?
hibidy - Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:20 am
phazedown wrote:
The guys fom Bitwig Studio aren't present at all, right?
fixed
zouki - Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:25 am
hibidy wrote:
phazedown wrote:
The guys fom Bitwig Studio aren't present at all, right?
fixed
Hu!??!
hibidy - Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:35 am
Aiynzahev - Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:22 pm
UltraJv wrote:
Did you watch the original? Goodness gracious. 20 million views! Poor girl I wonder if her life changed in anyway after that. lol did you see how many people make songs of this?
phazedown - Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:26 pm
(I love the lower pic, full credits to the photographer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dietmarnill/4574100853/in/set-72157623857919601) Aiynzahev - Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:43 pm
So whats cool about bitwig anyway?
phazedown - Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:00 pm
For me, best thing is that Live now has a serious competitor on that session/arrangement view approach and so chances for an early Live 9 with 64bit and less crashes are higher.
That's all, I don't expect too much of Bitwig's first version one.
hibidy - Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:03 pm
It's all about BwS
phazedown - Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:25 pm
If Bitwig Studio really isn't Live 9 (still waiting for a real proof) I wonder if there won't be any conflicts with the law about the design.
This is what comes to my mind when I see the preview images.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschmacksmuster
(german version of the design patent, a law to protect e.g. Live's concept on session/arrangement view and the general interface)
Everybody said "what the f**k, this looks the same as Live", can't believe Ableton will just take it without any counterattack
LawrenceF - Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:37 pm
hibidy wrote:
It's all about BwS
Well, they got the "pre-alpha-beta" marketing thing down pat.
hibidy - Thu Mar 22, 2012 4:42 pm
but did you all see what I did there?
I dunno, reaper is so f**king stable, I have the fanboi status all wrapped up with a pretty bow.......like this every day!
but I'm still waiting for my invite
mandolarian - Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:09 pm
Maybe it's closer to release than we thought. Sure, all we've seen is some fancy photoshop images (and even fancier catashop images), but maybe that's the secret...Bitwig: The first DAW for Photoshop! It's a secret CS6 plugin! Now graphic designers can make music - with their eyes!
Tasty!
standalone - Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:18 am
hibidy wrote:
but did you all see what I did there?
I dunno, reaper is so f**king stable, I have the fanboi status all wrapped up with a pretty bow.......like this every day!
I dunno, reaper is so f**king stable, I have the fanboi status all wrapped up with a pretty bow.......like this every day!
It's incredibly stable for me. It crashed everytime I loaded Kontakt 3 in Reaper 3 and it keeps crashing when I load Kontakt 4 in Reaper 4. That's a stable performance.
stimresp - Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:33 am
I'm quite interested in this product, if for no other reason than Claes from Vember Audio is involved. There has been a hint that Surge may be updated in the process (perhaps it will be packaged with the Host?).
Going on past experiences, I'd bet that any delays are down to awareness of the importance of quality control.
hibidy - Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:48 am
standalone wrote:
hibidy wrote:
but did you all see what I did there?
I dunno, reaper is so f**king stable, I have the fanboi status all wrapped up with a pretty bow.......like this every day!
I dunno, reaper is so f**king stable, I have the fanboi status all wrapped up with a pretty bow.......like this every day!
It's incredibly stable for me. It crashed everytime I loaded Kontakt 3 in Reaper 3 and it keeps crashing when I load Kontakt 4 in Reaper 4. That's a stable performance.
EDIT, that came out wrong
Usually, in my 2+ years of working with reaper, there is something going on with system compatibility/etc when people are having stability issues. With very few exceptions, I see this stuff resolved all the time on the reaper forums.
Kontakt 4 and 5 have worked on my system w/o issue (except dodgy graphic issues from 3rd party libraries)
standalone - Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:53 pm
hibidy wrote:
standalone wrote:
hibidy wrote:
but did you all see what I did there?
I dunno, reaper is so f**king stable, I have the fanboi status all wrapped up with a pretty bow.......like this every day!
I dunno, reaper is so f**king stable, I have the fanboi status all wrapped up with a pretty bow.......like this every day!
It's incredibly stable for me. It crashed everytime I loaded Kontakt 3 in Reaper 3 and it keeps crashing when I load Kontakt 4 in Reaper 4. That's a stable performance.
EDIT, that came out wrong
Usually, in my 2+ years of working with reaper, there is something going on with system compatibility/etc when people are having stability issues. With very few exceptions, I see this stuff resolved all the time on the reaper forums.
Kontakt 4 and 5 have worked on my system w/o issue (except dodgy graphic issues from 3rd party libraries)
Yeah, I'm sure of that, it's definitely an isolated issue. If no one could run Kontakt in Reaper ther will be not enough place in internet for all the complains. It's just that no DAW is stable 'per se', they are stable for some people and their systems, and buggy crap for others. And Reaper is not an exception, even if the Church of the Reaperology dictates otherwise.
hibidy - Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:56 pm
My chapel is always open
standalone - Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:01 pm
Too bad I can't think of a dirty meaning in 'chapel' right now. You would be in the 'quoted out of context' thread (again) in no time.
Paul Vicory - Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:08 pm
standalone wrote:
Too bad I can't think of a dirty meaning in 'chapel' right now. You would be in the 'quoted out of context' thread (again) in no time.
My chapel is always open
Response: Can I push in your pew for you?
Simple. Not necessarily very funny, but simple. Please continue.
GeorgeZ - Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:13 pm
...and now this is a Reaper thread... as well. Great.
hibidy - Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:34 pm
The church never sleeps.
hibidy - Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:35 pm
standalone wrote:
Too bad I can't think of a dirty meaning in 'chapel' right now. You would be in the 'quoted out of context' thread (again) in no time.
Damn, I missed an opportunity
mandolarian - Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:35 pm
GeorgeZ wrote:
...and now this is a Reaper thread... as well. Great.
Every thread ends with meeting the Reaper.
standalone - Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:45 pm
Except the undead thread.
hibidy - Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:06 pm
Your words are hurtful!
Seriously, reapers not so bad.......once you get to know it..........
One thing that does piss me off is when I use the reap as a reference and somehow that means the thread is turning into a "reaper" thread
In fact, if people wouldn't keep going "OMG, YOU MENTIONED REAPER" everytime someone mentioned it, the reaper stuff would die off quickly
you wouldn't do that if I said protools.......
zerocrossing - Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:16 pm
Paul Vicory wrote:
standalone wrote:
Too bad I can't think of a dirty meaning in 'chapel' right now. You would be in the 'quoted out of context' thread (again) in no time.
My chapel is always open
Response: Can I push in your pew for you?
Simple. Not necessarily very funny, but simple. Please continue.
hibidy - Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:17 pm
haha!
Paul Vicory - Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:21 pm
Totally on-topic - check out that bit (as in comedy bit snark) wig! And not a cat in sight.
GeorgeZ - Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:22 pm
...on topic though, it's been quiet in BW world news... wonder what's brewing. In saying that though, do i need another DAW... no
hibidy - Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:23 pm
machinesworking - Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:41 pm
Aiyn wrote:
Did you watch the original? Goodness gracious. 20 million views! Poor girl I wonder if her life changed in anyway after that. lol did you see how many people make songs of this?
Sadly someone pointed out that the lady is acting, and if you think about it, it's obvious.
Her contact email is a talent agent. People are silly, but not silly enough to post an Eharmony dating video on Youtube or Eharmony where they break down about cats as a way to get dates.... although there are plenty of guys who would be emailing her left and right thinking she's an easy lay.
hibidy - Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:44 pm
Yeah, I can't believe you think that is real. Chris Crocker got a chuckle from that.
pc999 - Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:16 am
Not a cat, probably not as important to the topic too but anyway, a real update on their facebook:
Quote:
We are adding some new features and improvements to the software that we didn't originally plan for the 1.0 release and the public beta has been delayed longer than we originally planned because of this. Thanks for being patient! We're working as hard as we can to get the beta out as soon as we can!
mellotronaut - Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:18 am
pc999 wrote:
Not a cat, probably not as important to the topic too but anyway, a real update on their facebook:
Quote:
We are adding some new features and improvements to the software that we didn't originally plan for the 1.0 release and the public beta has been delayed longer than we originally planned because of this. Thanks for being patient! We're working as hard as we can to get the beta out as soon as we can!
thanks ... finally a message without cats
GeorgeZ - Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:47 am
Ye, saw that on FB....
hibidy - Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:01 pm
Thank god, I'm getting really tired of my host.
mandolarian - Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:04 pm
hibidy wrote:
Thank god, I'm getting really tired of my host.
Dead tired?
hibidy - Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:12 pm
memyselfandus - Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:24 pm
http://www.unixmen.com/bitwig-studio-the-dawn-of-new-music-production-and-performance-software/
Here are some of the prominent features of Bitwig Studio:
1) Multitrack recording: This tool enables the composers and music creators to record and produce the music in a very fast and easier manner. The wide range of editing tools provides lots of power and flexibility.
2) Arranger clip launcher: This feature lets you spontaneously sketch your songs as it allows you trigger the clips in real-time manner.
3) Mixer clip launcher: Mixer clip launcher is very useful for live music performances and Djing. It provides alternative view of the clip launcher along with the mixer.
4) Generic records: The generic records enable the composer to accept any kind of music material. Audio and notes can be brought on the same tracks and you can interchange their places.
5) Track automation: Besides providing automation on traditional tracks, Bitwig Studio also provides facility of automation inside the clips in the clip launcher and arranger modes.
6) Per-note automation: The composers can apply pitch variations on the individual notes by using the piano roll and perform editing functions like panning, timbre and volume curves.
7) Editing multitracks simultaneously: This feature enables the music producers to edit the multiple tracks at the same time. The composer can see all the tracks they are working on in juxtaposed manner and can easily isolate the ones they want to edit.
Multiple audio events per clip: If you wish to have multiple audio events in your audio clip, this feature of Bitwig Studio can be very useful.
9) Real-time stretching: The proprietary technology developed by Bitwig helps you match virtually all types of audio material in the document tempo and sync them all.
10) Device nesting: The nesting feature enables the music producer to nest the devices and save them as the preset.
There and many more features are provided by Bitwig Studio. Some of the features that are slated to come in the upcoming versions include:
1) LAN multi-user jamming: This allows multiple users to jam on the same document and captures the activity of all the users.
2) Multi-user music production on internet: With this feature the Bitwig Studio users from all parts of the world can compose the music on the same document just like any Word document. The work done by all the users is kept in sync.
3) Native Modular system: This highly creative feature enables the composers to create their own instruments and effects and also modify the existing ones. You can also design their appearance and share them with others.
hibidy - Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:30 pm
pc999 wrote:
public beta
two thoughts.
1)
2) FRACK YOU bitwig for not picking me to be a real beta tester
GeorgeZ - Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:14 pm
...it's been delayed!
So i guess there's a still a chance. hibidy - Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:38 pm
GeorgeZ wrote:
...it's been delayed! So i guess there's a still a chance.
So i guess there's a still a chance.I hate to think how buggy it will be w/o me there to set everyone straight.
Well, cheers then. I'll just have stick to my ol' stand-by......reaper.
hibidy - Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:41 pm
This calls for a celebration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG71klJSPPI
GeorgeZ - Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:05 am
hibidy wrote:
GeorgeZ wrote:
...it's been delayed! So i guess there's a still a chance.
So i guess there's a still a chance.I hate to think how buggy it will be w/o me there to set everyone straight.
Mate, they're doing themselves a dis-service, but hey, if that's how they want to roll..
Muziksculp - Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:09 pm
Any idea when Bitwig Studio will be released ?
i.e. During Q2 (2012), Q3 (2012), Q4 (2012) ? or 2013
? GeorgeZ - Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:15 pm
The official word: Later... just later, not now later though, more like sometime later
hibidy - Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:22 pm
Aiynzahev - Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:47 pm
hibidy wrote:
Yeah, I can't believe you think that is real. Chris Crocker got a chuckle from that.
Yeah I am pretty stupid like that sometimes! I only watched a little bit of it, next time I watched it to show my wife and it was then really obvious to me that she was acting. Its a good parody though.
Aiynzahev - Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:55 pm
So I guess this is like some kind of reaper copying? I dont know why we need any more DAWS. What we really need are more innovative ways to utalise natural resources.
Surely there is energy production here we just haven't tapped into yet.
machinesworking - Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:08 pm
Cats would make horrible workers though, unless work involved sleeping and shredding things.
SHAMELESS PREDICTION TIME?
I say they don't release BWS beta until June.
About a month later Live 9 is announced.
trimph1 - Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:00 pm
I say Live 9 announced before Bitwig is out....October for Live 9...January 2013 for Bitwig...
hibidy - Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:43 pm
Aiyn wrote:
Surely there is energy production here we just haven't tapped into yet.
HAHA!
But understand, it's the guys that used to work with LIVE so it's not reaper copying.
hibidy - Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:44 pm
Man, Max needs one of those wheels, but I have no idea where I'd put it
felonytrance - Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:50 am
machinesworking wrote:
Cats would make horrible workers though, unless work involved sleeping and shredding things.
SHAMELESS PREDICTION TIME?
I say they don't release BWS beta until June.
About a month later Live 9 is announced.
SHAMELESS PREDICTION TIME?
I say they don't release BWS beta until June.
About a month later Live 9 is announced.
I agree that the wigs will be out doing beta early summer and hope to ahve it in times for the christmas rush.
Live 9 i think might be farther out than people think. I have a feeling that they are really doing something special. Not just catching up with bitwig things.
If bitwig is not out until next year that reflects pretty poorly on them from a marketing/business perspective.
Word of mouth can turn against you at some point, if you let to much time go by.
Here's to both bitwig and live 9 being rock solid
VariKusBrainZ - Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:15 am
I think Ableton have just been waiting for the 3rd bits to get updates before they set it free. ie. zplane, Cycling74
Incidentally the 8.3 update uses more processor now and even shows usage with a blank template. On my i7 system. Enabling multiprocessor support pushes this up even higher.
Id be ready to dump Ableton for a similar app thats more stable than Live, which shits its pants at least once an hour on my system.
luckystrike - Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:35 am
6 month free diaper. (8.4 update)
gckilla - Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:41 am
I'm on the fence of dumping my Ableton license for the linux aspect alone...but i'm gonna feel like a fool if it turns out bitwig is vapourware or ableton 9.
S-N-S - Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:48 am
abit of topic im really looking forward to seeing the new performance mode that will be in FL studio
it looks like bitwigs are taking forever,so im looking forward to the beta of FL gets released by the end of this week
botkiller - Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:20 pm
I'm really interested in Bitwig, but Ableton has been my axe for a long time, It'd take a lot to make me leave; and even then I doubt I'd ever migrate fully from it.
robojam - Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:14 pm
The biggest problem I have with these guys is that they really seem to be aiming at elbowing in on the Ableton Live market. I'd be more confident if they were trying to enter a niche gap on the DAW market, but they're not.
I don't really have a lot of confidence in this company's longevity.
felonytrance - Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:29 pm
robojam wrote:
The biggest problem I have with these guys is that they really seem to be aiming at elbowing in on the Ableton Live market. I'd be more confident if they were trying to enter a niche gap on the DAW market, but they're not.
I don't really have a lot of confidence in this company's longevity.
I don't really have a lot of confidence in this company's longevity.
I don't mind that they are taking ableton head on. I also don't care that traktor is taking some of ableton's workflow ideas and implementing them in traktor 2.5.
If bitiwg can take ableton and make it better then it will be a success. If not they will fail. Still good for the user, because it raises the bar for ableton
robojam - Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:47 pm
felonytrance wrote:
If bitiwg can take ableton and make it better then it will be a success. If not they will fail.
Problem is, that's not really the business model that works, and mostly leads to failure. Finding a niche market is generally more likely to see a company grow as there's a market gap.
I'd like to see them succeed, but I think they have a huge uphill journey ahead of them.
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