KVR :: Camel Audio » alchemy soundsets too expensive? [View Original Topic]
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themachinelt - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:27 am

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Does anyone else thinks that?

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Cyforce - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:30 am

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Defintive not!

For example the big soundbanks, with 150 Patches, where all patches also containing 8 variations, so 1200 sound variations in total, for 49.00€.
I think a more than fair price.
Based on the mass of top notch sounds, the additional variations and also included sample content.

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bmanic - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:39 am

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You must consider the amount of work it takes to create an alchemy sound set!!

This is not a "tweak 10 minutes and end up with a professional preset" synth. Not even close. It takes a long time to tweak even relatively simple sounds and to assign meaningful controls with good ranges for the performance section.

Even though Camel Audio do pay a generous amount per preset it is still sometimes hard to justify the amount of time it takes to create good presets for Alchemy.. simply because it has so many variables and potential for tweaking. I also need to learn how to be quicker in my sound design but that comes with experience and I'm far from being a professional when it comes to this! Which reminds me.. Nico (Big Tone!) and the rest of you professionals, do you have any tips/tricks on how to become quicker? Would it be worth "investing" some time in creating a large batch of templates for various tasks and use these as starting points? I always start from the "clean" preset but have lately found that a bit annoying as I need to constantly do some simple things over and over again.

Anyhow, I'd say the sound banks border from ridiculously good value to very good value, depending on set. For instance the Biolabs set (Colin of Camel Audio) contains an almost infinite variation to it's sounds through the performance controllers meaning it is like getting a whole new synth.

Cheers!
bManic

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ariston - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:40 am

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FWIW: I think they're expensive, yes, but not "too" expensive. That would mean they wouldn't offer value for money, which they really do. I don't usually buy presets, but I own three of the expansions and am really happy with them. I especially appreciate the additional sampled content, which is something you don't get with most synth expansions.

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Cyforce - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:53 am

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A complete alchemy soundbank with 150 sounds/1200 variations is a big big big amount of work. Alone through that, the price is ok.

And please always mind - quality has a price.

If the Camel Audio soundbanks would sounding cheap or something ok than they would be over-priced, but they are really good, so the price looks maybe high, but is on a very good balance.

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zerocrossing - Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:14 am

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Maybe... I've never purchased one and probably never will. I found pretty early on that one could replace their lack luster samples with ones of your own, tweak a bit and viola, you've got a new sound. Never seemed to be a reason to pay someone else to do that. I've listend to the demos and none ever made me say, "Gotta get that."

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runray - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:02 pm

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Have you any example of such situation for other synth (in the same price category)?

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zvenx - Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:25 pm

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I think spectrasonics and to an extent u-he has spoiled me with all the free patches with updates.....however I still don't think camel audio soundsets are too expensive.......especially when you consider they put them on sale and give you bonus points etc.....

rsp

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Doug B - Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:11 pm

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No, Why? Just because someone can't afford the price doesn't mean the sets aren't worth it!

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JJBiener - Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:18 pm

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I have several Camel Audio soundsets. They are consistently among the most useful sounds I have bought. Granted I have never paid full price for a soundset, but that is only because I have managed to find good deals on the ones I wanted. There are several I would have paid full price if I had to, but fortunately I got good deals. There are several more I plan on buying in the future. I think they are worth the money.

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UncleAge - Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:54 pm

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Too expensive? Depends really... I own a few of them. I use them more for learning how to program different things. So in my mind they were worth every penny. However if I bought 10 of them @ 50 a pop and add in the price of the synth and controller I am still far below any hardware synth that would deliver the same amount of sounds and programmability. So "too expensive" is not a term I would use.

I still have a couple that I want to add to the stable but I keep forgetting to head over there and make the purchase. @OP: thanks for posting this thread. It's a good reminder for me to get those couple of sound sets.

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padillac - Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:51 pm

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I've had way too much fun with them to think that

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filter303 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:16 am

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I am an Alchemy user myself and I must admit that I have found myself to be a bit disapointed with some of the expansions that I have bought.
There are expansions that don't have almost any additional sample data, and yet they cost 49euros. Sorry but this is not a reasonable price in my experience.

EG: arp dimensions. total 10 synth samples in wav format and some drum samples. Price 49€.

With this kind of price tag I would have expected to see more .sfz files.
Expansions that don't have many samples are not worth this amount of money IMO. Half of the price would be much more reasonable.

Expansions that that use existing samples mostly should be more like 20€. It's about the same price as many other VSTi banks cost. Why it should be any different with Alchemy?
I am not buying that "It's more complicated" reasoning.

Simon Stockhausens banks are much better bang for the money IMO. They cost about the same but have lot more of recorded material.

I have been also a bit disapointed in Alchemy sound quality.
Many of the presets have this ugly "plastic" quality in them.
They sound OK when you play them in isolation, but in the full mix they don't sound so good.
Not all of the presets but some of them.
I love the sound of the new filters, so my guess is that the blame is not them, but rather because many sounds are using a single wav file for the entire keyrange.

If I compare Alchemy to Omnisphere preset wise. Alchemy sounds like a 90's rompler. I am not talking about features but the sound itself. You also pay so much more to get less patches and less sample data.

People must be swimming in money if they think these expansions have a good price/features ratio.
Some of them do, but unfortunately many of them do not.

With a 49€/expansion price tag I expected to get so much more.

I personally like their audio demos. I used to spend tons of time listening them when I was at work. And they were the reason why I bought them.

Now that I think about it I really wish there was a way to try them out before buying them.
I also wish Camel Audio could show the amount of samples per expansion in their webshop.

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Resonator63 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:25 am

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I think the pricing is reasonable.Would cost a fortune to buy them all though

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breakmixer - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:37 am

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I don't agree with this, Alchemy has become my no.1 VST synth, the sounds 'IMO' are mostly very good and some of the best I've heard coming from a VSTi. After buying Himalaya Vintage this went to show how excellent this really can be, vintage synth sounds that sound 100% authentic to my ears, I'm a very happy user, it calmed down my GAS too...

I think the soundbanks are a little expensive to buy for 'my pocket', so I only buy the ones that totally interest me and mostly(but not always)wait for the promotions too. I'm still to buy the Electronic Bass pack.

For what it's worth I prefer Alchemy to Trilian for synth bass atm...

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Resonator63 - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:44 am

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The Electronic Bass pack is well worth getting.
Himalaya Vintage is the one I really want to get next.

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breakmixer - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:55 am

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It's so good 'Vintage' I want a 'Vol II'...

Cheers for the heads up...

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MFXxx - Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:07 am

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I can understand your point of view however you really need to compare what you are getting with other products on the market ie - NI expansions, vengeance soundsets (I know it's vengeance but these are still good imho) and the rising prices of soundsets in general.

Don't forget these have samples attached and are not just parameter settings.

Further more I have found Camel Audio to be very generous in the past and I have also been lucky here with promos & offers, discount credits and only buying what I feel I need.

Are alchemy soundsets too expensive ... it's all down to a matter of need vs want. Also look at Nexus an extensive array of expansions but would you need them all?!?! No I doubt it!

I'm a hobbiest and rarely use Alchemy, not because I don't like it, I just haven't found the time to dig deep into it and i do like a lot of the presets.

You prompted me to see what I have from Camel :

•Steamworx
•Dubstep
•Cinematic Atmospheres
•Cinematic Impacts
•Planet Earth
•Luftrum Ambient
•Cinematic
•Dance & Trance
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3rd Party
•Vengeance Alchemy Soundset Vol 1
•DNR Alchemy Illuminous
•Alchemy Patchpool Simon Stockhausens if I recall
•Abiogenesis
•DrTW Sets 1-9 KVR Freebies
•Kriminal KVR Freebies
•Metaverse (Cant recall who released this maybe DNR)
•Teksoniks
•Uncharterted Territory
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•Biolabs Absynth Sounds Vols 1-3
•Biolabs Absynth Sounds Vols 4-6
•Biolabs Massive Sounds
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Now I am just a hobbiest, enthusiast (some say madly insane, I say too much wacky stuff) and realised I'm an obsesive soundbank collector, but I only buy what is relevant, what I like or is at that time good value for money.
A lot of these I have picked up when released and generally on a great deal...so always keep lurking around KVR forums (and others) keeping your eyes peeled and get to know a few dev's and people here. Great community and remember its a two way streak!

In repsect my mindset is buying these products helps companies keep releasing and supporting the scene.

My philosophy is this :

People smoke and pay £7.00+ for a packet of 20 cigarettes (or £10 for a pouch of 'baccy) in one month that's several soundbanks or a plugin - I quit last March 2011 after 20+ years smoking. I can afford to buy more and may live longer!

People drink and pay £3.00 upward for a pint or shot?!?!?! One night out and that's a soundbank! I'm lucky I don't drink much, a bottle or Morgan spice or whisky, bourbon will last me several months unless friends visit and can pull me away from the PC!?!?!

Some people pay £3-£6 for a burger (meat pureé in a bap with sauce) or £15 for a pizza (expensive cheese on toast imho) from the usual suspects or £2.50 for a sandwich. I make mine at home and eat healthily and cheaply. (I'm still a fat ol' sod though!)

It's all down to your perception of value for money and what you perceive as expensive!!

And damn after logging onto CA account I see I still have £10 credits...bloody Scott's tempting me to spend more money so they can buy more malt whisky!!

Peace

Now go and decide what Alchemy bank you want and buy it. Or better still go and invest some time making your own banks and if there good enough sell them here Everyone's a winner...

Value for money is all very subjective

(PS Dont tell the wife she doesn't know what I spend of softwares) Our secret shhh)

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themachinelt - Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:44 pm

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Reason why i think they are too expensive because i dont see they give quality i expect.

I checked few expansions, for example Dance/trance and dubstep, they sound cheap and not worth the 29/49 euro price tag.

I had bought on sale Planet Earth expansion, never used it, it doesnt offer anything new and yet it costs 49...glad it was a sale.

Maybe im wrong about mentioned expansions i have checked the audio demos, but so far from what i hear they do sound not worthy such price tag.

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Marginal Ray - Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:56 pm

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Hi,

We debated a lot about sound quality in Alchemy. From very average to excellent, it depends on the quality of the samples and/or the motivation of the designer. Resynthesis should also be more transparent, even if the goal is not to mimic reality. It will be for V2.

I agree that the sound demos on the website do not show what Alchemy can and what the libraries offer. A complete "song" would emphasize each library, beside the patches demo.

Now to the price subject: With a library, you get the Alchemy Player. Let's say you like vintage analogue sound, and buy just Himalaya vintage. The sound modification you can apply to the default sound of each preset is so enormous that you have almost infinity of sounds with a single preset. And it sounds good, very good! You can make an electro album with 49 € sound material, and play it live! On Iphone /Ipad, you can probably find other interesting music software, but 49 € is justified for Camels banks.

Probably, they could be a little bit cheaper for Alchemy (the full synth) users, or better said, Camel should be more generous with promotions. With a growing library catalogue, we will always have a library to buy! Alchemy cost 200 €, but with four libraries, it's 400 €. And because the factory library is… let's say not homogeneous enough, we need to buy several libraries to take the best of the fantastic instrument. But all in all, for making music, I don't know anything more funny, user friendly, inspiring and versatile that Alchemy. It has it's price.

Raymond

www.marginalray.com
100 % made in Alchemy

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bmanic - Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:15 pm

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You're not wrong. You just have a different opinion. It's perfectly fine.

It's very possible that Alchemy itself just doesn't "tick" with you. There are several synths that I just don't "gel" with while they are massive successes and loved by the thousands.

That's the beauty of it all, we all like different things and I hope that never ever changes!

Cheers!
bManic

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MFXxx - Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:20 pm

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Agreed. I am off the same mindset with DCAM Synth Sqaud in another thread.

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quantum7 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:17 pm

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If you asked me 1 year ago, I too would have probably said that Alchemy sounded sub-par to Omnisphere and the expansion seemed a bit expensive, but then I took a good week and did nothing but really explore Alchemy preset by preset and started learning to tweak it a bit- I then became very impressed. I now own the following expansions:

•Steamworx (the creator deserves every penny he earned from this lib for his creativity)
•Dream Voicess (so beautiful and ethereal)
•Planet Earth (great stuff)
•Luftrum Ambient (incredible pads)
•Cinematic (begs to be on a movie soundtrack)

Alchemy has now become my "go to" vsti, replacing Omnisphere (which I still love, of course). I have found that Alchemy gives me a lot more unique and interesting textures that I have not found in any other synth/ROMpler. Now I'm even having a blast with all my old Akai libraries such as Symphony Of Voices, Bizarre Guitars, etc. importing them into Alchemy. I never thought these old libs would ever see the light of day again, but Alchemy has made them usable and interesting to me again.

Different strokes for different folks of course, but Alchemy sounds incredible to my ears. I write a lot of New-Age music and there is absolutely no other synth I would dream of using over Alchemy in that genre for sure.

Good job Camel guys- now get us some more expansions....ethereal and soundtrack stuff......please no more Dubstep or House.

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Marginal Ray - Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:32 pm

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I would say more everything.

I made Alchemy as my single instrument, because it cans everything, mostly easily, intuitively and with much fun.

Ben and his Camels are so modest when describing their baby as a Sample manipulator, famous for sound effects, space pads, and film sound tracks. Alchemys VA engine can bear comparison with so many VA beasts. Feed it with good samples and SFZ, and even the best pure sampler becomes boring. No other instrument offers such a great modulation system, several synth and resynth engines, high quality FXs, almost molecular sound manipulation capabilities, but the possibility to play immediately like a child with a new toy (and by the way, to play music!) thanks to the Perform section. All this in one instrument, moreover opened to external samples, waveforms, etc.

Think that all this will be improved in V2.

You'll have the assume Alchemy's future status, Ben.

Raymond

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Resonator63 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:42 pm

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I think most of us have barely scratched the surface of what Alchemy is capable of.I'm slowly wrapping my head around it and discovering and trying new things.
One of the things I like about Alchemy is that it is fun to play with and learn.
I'm V2 will be even more amazing

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codec_spurt - Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:58 pm

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Amen to that brother. Er, I've only got the player. That is more than enough.
It's not that I need more. I am going to get the full deal one day, but for now
I don't need it. So sound sets - I have so many sound sets that I am still not using. I aim to use them. I love to use them. Every time I use them they come good, their quality is not in question. My ability to use their synthesis methods to create new sounds, is not in question.

I will soon buy them all, or rather buy those I like, buy the full Alchemy I mean to make my own sounds to give away to others.





That didn't come across too good. Oh well, I'll let it stand for now.


Peace.

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Uncle E - Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:13 pm

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Agreed on the demos. Maybe Camel could release small free demo sets so we can try them on our own because I don't find many of the audio demos to be compelling on their own.

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Uncle E - Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:18 pm

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Alchemy doesn't "tick" with me. The strange thing is I love Camel Space and really liked the Cameleon CA5000, so I don't know where the love affair went south.

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Lotuzia - Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:37 pm

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A few hundred people made us the honor to get our Magic Wand soundbank for Alchemy. Wich is quite affordable. Lots of different instruments, its not a thematic one, so you'll find mainly usefull instruments, be them vintage or more modern. Also patches load in a flash ( no big samplesets involved, mainly synthesis works )

Btw : I dont think CA banks are overpriced. They have to split income to pay the SDs, and a bank of patches for Alchemy is a HUGE work. And some of the CA banks have definitely a precious vibe

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Resonator63 - Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:50 pm

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I have Magic Wand there are some superb sounds in there

I think you make a good point about the split income.
Also there must be a lot of work going into the soundsets.They are not just something that someone knocks out in a couple of hours.I agree with Uncle E about demo soundsets,that would be good.

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ZenPunkHippy - Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:05 pm

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Thanks for all the replies. I don't think there is much to add, other than to say yes developing a full sound library for Alchemy is expensive and time consuming. The costs increase significantly if we license or include custom sample content, and there is also the royalty aspect with some of the sound libraries.

One of the reasons for having add-on banks rather than selling a complete package is to keep the costs down for people who are more interested in just the plugin, or for those who only need 1 or 2 additional sets. The sound libraries also help us stay in business, which means we can spend time working on new versions of our plugins.

Without the sound libraries, Camel would not be able to employ enough people to get these things done in a reasonable amount of time while also running a web server, providing user support and of course creating new sounds. Basically, there is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that many people will not be aware of (I certainly wasn't until I started working for Camel ...), and all of this adds a significant cost to running the business.

As for the price itself, this was arrived at by Ben before Alchemy was first released and is IMO strikes a good balance between "too low" and "too high". Aside from helping us continue running Camel Audio, pricing creates a certain kind of perception in the market place. To illustrate this, here's a comment that was recently posted on our Facebook page:

Just started a score for a new film needed ambient pads so I thoght I would try Camel's Luftrum Ambient thought it won't be that good for the price.....How wrong I was it's stunning will defo be going back for more.....Thanks guys

So in this case we have someone assuming out sounds are poor because the price is too low. Go figure!

Perhaps the perceived quality of the demos is causing people to think twice, but the idea is that we illustrate the raw sound of the presets without any additional processing. This means the sounds you hear are attainable by anyone who has the presets rather than over-produced tracks that sound amazing, but are difficult for the average user to achieve. I will pass on this comment to the others though, because it would not harm us to include both.

Aside from all that, if the sound of Alchemy doesn't work for you that is fair enough ... some synths for whatever reason just don't gel with a user. There are some very highly praised soft-synths that I just cannot get my head around in terms of GUI or sound, but other people seem to love them ... which is fine, it helps to make everything a bit more interesting!

Peace,
Andy.

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Uncle E - Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:52 pm

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That's great, Andy. I recommend Viral Outbreak to people all the time and would certainly purchase Nucleus SoundLab's Oberheim and Prophet VS libraries if you release those, as well (hopefully as a single "analog resurrection" collection ). For me, it's less about the prices themselves than it is about about the demos on your site, which rarely wow me.

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digitalbeatsyndrome - Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:01 pm

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Ripoff... If I knew half the stuff was LFO's ripped from the Galbanum waveform library I wouldve just purchased that firsthand... Dream Voices is still good... the patches are kind of on the low count compared to others, shouldve been one of the cheaper ones like dubstep and cinematic lite libraries... they are AWESOME patches though... but they werent that hard to make.. the gals really made them.. the humps, I mean camels just layered them and did some knobbery and save... they even had the balls to use sexual innuendo in some of the patch names... as if female musicians dont have it bad enough that everyone in the industry expects to bang them for gigs or contracts, and have that rep carried on by the noobs and wanna be chics that actually do...

I saw in another post somewhere on KVR how they tried to save face about the low count in dream voices by saying think of it as a $60 sample library with free patches...

Wrong...

Advertise it as a sample library then...

I will be fair and say this in their favor.. I could've just read the patch count b4 I purchased it. But us knob twiddlers dont read much... listening is a different story...


This post will probably get deleted....lol... like an angry kid with a phony sheriffs badge...

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digitalbeatsyndrome - Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:11 pm

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Ben must've been asleep the day in business school they taught about variable business models...

and I know for a fact he has outsourced asian slave labor programming at times on very old versions of Alchemy so dont blow your own trumpet on how good of a job the camels done... the proof is in the programming on some of the old versions...




First I wanna say you guys need to step up your marketing game, not to the point of Roland, but that has to be the biggest crock of SH*T I've ever heard.

Ever hear of Goldbaby and Audiodamage ? Dont be mad, you guys are my third favorite, and I use Alchemy on everything . It is a the BEST sounding and versatile softsynth... I couldnt get my head around Zebra.. I hear Diva is awesome, I loaded 2 patches, instant CPU hog, uninstalled.. So you guys are doing something right

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digitalbeatsyndrome - Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:16 pm

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Sorry If I came off as rough, but take it as a learning lesson and turn it into positive criticism.. When you build features for a majority of you customer base, and ignore the minority...well you end up with a pissed minority customer base... do it again.. you piss off more and that minority base grows and grows until there is a big chunk of money that shouldve been in Bens account that left him scratching his head, he will probably then sell the rights of the sfz banks to NI who will sink the banks in a year or two anyway...

I still think ALchemy is the best soft synth..

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Phase47 - Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:17 pm

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You get what you pay for.

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AstralExistence - Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:51 pm

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they dont??? im sorry thats just WRONG

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kontakt1968 - Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:27 am

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Dear Camels one and all.
I adore Alchemy and have quite a lot of your and 3rd party soundbanks.
Each one is beautiful , educational and a wonderful sonic journey.
Do I wish they were cheaper ...yes.
Do I think they are good value...yes.

There will always be a minority you cant please ...sadly yes..

Cant wait to see what you come up with next!

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whyterabbyt - Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:39 am

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oh, dont worry, it didnt come of as 'rough', it came off as 'deranged' and i doubt if anyone's going to give it much credence.

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T-CM11 - Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:07 am

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As opposed to... just an angry kid.

OT:
I find one expansion not expensive at all! But there are so many more good ones I want... buying all of them would be quite expensive for me

I have: Biolabs: Dark Space, Ian Boddy: Analogica, Steamworx, Cinematic Atmospheres, Cinematic Impacts, Planet Earth, Biolabs: Alchemy Labs
I want: Himalaya: Pads, Guitar Mutations, Himalaya: Vintage, Dream Voices, Cameleon: Remixed
And maybe the rest too

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Hunter - Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:20 am

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runray - Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:04 am

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Great words, Andy! In most cases it is true for any kind of products.

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woolyloach - Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:06 am

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I'll kind of be an old geezer here and add my two cents/pence/rubles worth.

I recall paying over $150 for a sample card for my much-mourned Motif ES Rack. It had very little sample ROM on it, and a lot of amazing patches done with very limited resources. Someone poured their sweat and blood into the thing, and I was OK with throwing my cash at it.

For Alchemy, I get a ton of excellent sounds and typically a decent amount of sample data for 1/2 the price (and no shipping cost). Again, some sound designer poured a lot of time/blood/sweat/cursing/pulled out hair into producing the thing, and I'm OK with throwing my cash at it.

Maybe I'm just old skool, used to buying expensive cards for my TG55, U20, Motif ES Rack, and (urgh) my Fantom (long gone but not missed, really). Nowadays I feel spoiled rotten!

Every time I buy a soundbank, I think of some sound designer out there being able to buy some beer!

Dang, I need to get Steamworx and Dream Voices today.. rock on Payday!

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Marginal Ray - Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:11 am

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Hi,

A VA sound is not just a waveform. I've read that professional electro musicians use mostly the four basic wave forms.

With Alchemy, It's true that it's easy to make a preset in seconds: load any wave form or sample. Clic on "File" in the performance section, and choose "auto assign all". Of course, a sound designer doesn't work this manner. Listen to Himalayas work on the Vintage bank to get a brilliant example of what you can achieve: So much more that loading one of the 20.000 waveforms provided by the Galbanum collection.

Cheers.

www.marginalray.com
100 % made in Alchemy
Spring news : new website, new songs…

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filkertom - Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:30 am

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Not even a question for me. First, there's the free Player and all the sound that comes with it. Then, I've added Planet Earth, Cinematic Atmospheres, Cinematic Impacts, Steamworx, and Biolabs: Dark Space. I didn't pay full price for any of them, but that's because Camel has had such great deals in the past.

The sounds are not merely useful, they're fun. I get inspired every time I start playing with it. And there's obviously a huge amount of work that went into every library.

I don't regret a penny I've spent with Camel, and I plan to spend more soon.

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Marginal Ray - Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:51 am

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And in the future ?

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Trusty - Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:45 pm

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At 35, married, with kids, grad school, and full time work, I would no longer be making music if Alchemy and the sound expansions didn't keep my interest and inspiration up. What kind of price do you put on that?

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Yuroun - Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:54 am

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For people who want cheap Alchemy sound sets: my all ready cheap sound sets are for sale till the end of this month. Just check my sales topic.

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